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(Forbes)   Did you hear about 'melting quarks' and how they're 10x as efficient as fusion? Yeah... that's not happening   ( forbes.com) divider line
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2017-11-08 11:47:37 AM  
"I'm gonna melt now? Great"
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2017-11-08 12:57:49 PM  
On of my favorite lines from one of my favorite sci-fi books: *after a list of amazing inventions/advances in the future* "Fusion power, as always, is only 30 years away."
 
2017-11-08 01:59:28 PM  
If it were that simple or straight forward we'd have it by now.
 
2017-11-08 04:28:01 PM  
Was anyone really surprised by that? Every single article I read about it pretty explicitly stated that 'this is not a way to generate power'.

Fusion might end up happening, if we throw some more money at it. But by the time its feasible, renewables will probably have the whole thing locked up.
 
2017-11-08 05:11:05 PM  
Also not happening: clicking on a forbes link
 
2017-11-08 05:18:11 PM  
The cold fusion tards mostly shut up a few years ago. I bet some of them latch onto this.
 
2017-11-08 05:19:01 PM  
Not with that attitude we won't.
 
2017-11-08 05:19:52 PM  
Cold melting quarks are the ultimate energy source. Invest today in ColdQuarkFuture.ru.
 
2017-11-08 05:34:30 PM  
Like shooting at scarce birds in the dark.
 
2017-11-08 05:38:10 PM  
Well, it just so happens I did NOT hear about them.
 
2017-11-08 05:40:56 PM  
I figured it out:

Forbes is why these technologies are perpetually out of reach.
 
2017-11-08 05:47:11 PM  

PirateKing: Was anyone really surprised by that? Every single article I read about it pretty explicitly stated that 'this is not a way to generate power'.

Fusion might end up happening, if we throw some more money at it. But by the time its feasible, renewables will probably have the whole thing locked up.


Fusion is when the fun begins. Agriculture, arcologies -- terraforming, even! This rock is barely habitable.
 
2017-11-08 05:49:42 PM  
Yes.

Three days ago.

Here.
 
2017-11-08 05:59:16 PM  

wjllope: Also not happening: clicking on a forbes link

 
2017-11-08 06:19:30 PM  
Well duh. There is often a gulf between the theoretical and the practical, and in this case that gulf is as wide as the distance between the Earth and the Sun.

/maybe it's powering a Level 3 galactic civilization or something
//and we're the ones trapped in the gooble box
 
2017-11-08 06:32:19 PM  
So let's keep melting other Ferengi until we find some that *will* generate power.
 
2017-11-08 06:39:20 PM  
Please don't give Deepak Chopra ideas for a new book of quackery
 
2017-11-08 08:05:35 PM  
So, the band is breaking up?
 
2017-11-08 08:06:21 PM  
"Quarks," he said, and it seemed to please him, for he repeated the word some sixteen times in rapid sequence, his voice rising toward an interrogative and finally a soprano inflection tinged with overnotes of hysteria. The members of the Council of Nine shifted in their seats and yearned for the days before their chairman's decline. Soon the day would arrive to elect a replacement. They recalled the day, lo these many years ago, of the last election. And shuddered. Truly those were dark times.

Well, if the chairman wished to spend his time (and theirs) rehearsing monosyllabic ditties, they consoled themselves that it could, and eventually would, be a lot worse.
 
2017-11-08 08:24:03 PM  
"The bomb will never go off. I speak as an expert in explosives." -- Admiral William Leahy, U.S. Atomic Bomb Project.

Not claiming any special knowledge in this area, just pointing out that there's been a lot of "experts" over the years who pronounced that certain things could/would never happen as they were "impossible" only to find themselves eating crow afterwards.
 
2017-11-08 09:04:11 PM  
Have they tried putting them in a microwave oven?
 
2017-11-08 09:09:03 PM  

lawboy87: "The bomb will never go off. I speak as an expert in explosives." -- Admiral William Leahy, U.S. Atomic Bomb Project.

Not claiming any special knowledge in this area, just pointing out that there's been a lot of "experts" over the years who pronounced that certain things could/would never happen as they were "impossible" only to find themselves eating crow afterwards.


conservation os mass-energy is the law in these parts, mister
 
2017-11-08 09:09:27 PM  
*of*
 
2017-11-08 09:46:37 PM  
This would be much help anyway. The problem with fusion power isn't quite a lackof energy output
 
2017-11-08 10:02:51 PM  

lawboy87: "The bomb will never go off. I speak as an expert in explosives." -- Admiral William Leahy, U.S. Atomic Bomb Project.


William Leahy did not work on the Manhattan Project., and The Bomb was not like any explosives he might have known.
 
2017-11-08 10:15:04 PM  

germ78: Well duh. There is often a gulf between the theoretical and the practical, and in this case that gulf is as wide as the distance between the Earth and the Sun.

/maybe it's powering a Level 3 galactic civilization or something
//and we're the ones trapped in the gooble box


It's not just that.  Any quark reactions you try to set up, you would be starting with stable baryonic matter, and ending with stable baryonic matter of a slightly lower mass.  (Everything else is too short-lived.)  In other words, the net result would be the same as a nuclear reaction of some sort.
 
2017-11-09 02:09:50 AM  

dj495ufj3: So let's keep melting other Ferengi until we find some that *will* generate power.


Do you know who else melted Ferengi?
 
2017-11-09 03:06:36 AM  
I don't see why we just can't keep burning coal.
 
2017-11-09 07:54:03 AM  
Start the countdown to the article that claims it actually is possible
 
2017-11-09 12:28:42 PM  

lawboy87: "The bomb will never go off. I speak as an expert in explosives." -- Admiral William Leahy, U.S. Atomic Bomb Project.

Not claiming any special knowledge in this area, just pointing out that there's been a lot of "experts" over the years who pronounced that certain things could/would never happen as they were "impossible" only to find themselves eating crow afterwards.


Newsflash - Leahy wasn't an expert.

Also, when people say something won't happen, it's important to know if they're making an appeal to incredulity, stating that the engineering and conditions to achieve are so exceptionally and overwhelmingly difficult as to be functionally impossible, or a scientific statement of impossibility.  The first is often overcome.  The second is rarely overcome.  The third is where you get scientists shutting done enthusiasts talking about perpetual motions machines or pure violations of thermodynamics, and is never overcome.

"Melting quarks" for energy is an extreme version of the second type.  Sure, it's technically possible, but so is a quantum tunneling event that allows me to pass my hand through a sheet of gold.  You just can't create and manipulate enough individual circumstances and conditions to make it work.
 
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