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(Washington Post)   "The Tuesday elections were a triumph of decency over dread" writes the Washington Post editorial board in a scathing op-ed slamming Trump   ( washingtonpost.com) divider line
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2017-11-08 08:29:27 AM  
Small problem, though. If we were really decent, we wouldn't be in the mess we're currently in.

Winning two governors races proves little to me. We're still the nation that elected Trump & his minions. Winning two governor races does not eliminate the stench of who we've become.
 
2017-11-08 08:34:18 AM  

Straight Outta Wells Branch: Small problem, though. If we were really decent, we wouldn't be in the mess we're currently in.

Winning two governors races proves little to me. We're still the nation that elected Trump & his minions. Winning two governor races does not eliminate the stench of who we've become.


An acid bath for every American -- 2018 Democratic Party motto
 
2017-11-08 08:40:34 AM  

Straight Outta Wells Branch: Small problem, though. If we were really decent, we wouldn't be in the mess we're currently in.

Winning two governors races proves little to me. We're still the nation that elected Trump & his minions. Winning two governor races does not eliminate the stench of who we've become.



There were also 13 Republican incumbents that were beaten in their state legislature.  That's either a shift or people got off their asses and went to vote.
 
2017-11-08 08:50:27 AM  

UberDave: Straight Outta Wells Branch: Small problem, though. If we were really decent, we wouldn't be in the mess we're currently in.

Winning two governors races proves little to me. We're still the nation that elected Trump & his minions. Winning two governor races does not eliminate the stench of who we've become.


There were also 13 Republican incumbents that were beaten in their state legislature.  That's either a shift or people got off their asses and went to vote.


Although, because of a rigged system, winning statewide by 8 points was only enough to tie the state legislature.

/there's a lot to be said for stacking the deck in your favor
 
2017-11-08 09:11:22 AM  

Gubbo: Although, because of a rigged system, winning statewide by 8 points was only enough to tie the state legislature.


Or thereabouts. There's a bunch of races close enough for automatic recounts, and a few within range where yet-uncounted provisional ballots may decide the outcome.
 
2017-11-08 09:18:07 AM  
If every single Republican running across the country had someone won with the exception of Human Sack of Excrement Bob Marshall losing bigly to Danica Roem, as he did, last night still would have been a fantastic victory for decency over dread.

As it actually turned out, I almost feel like we should all take a moment to embrace those Trumpians who were so utterly demolished yesterday. They must be having a hard morning this morning, and some kind words would probably go far toward making them feel better and demonstrating to them what actual compassionate humanity looks like.

Or we could just point and laugh. It's one of those things we should do. I haven't decided.
 
2017-11-08 09:23:30 AM  
Let's not start sucking our dicks quite yet. There's still a lot of work to do in the next year.
 
2017-11-08 09:25:05 AM  

Pocket Ninja: If every single Republican running across the country had someone won with the exception of Human Sack of Excrement Bob Marshall losing bigly to Danica Roem, as he did, last night still would have been a fantastic victory for decency over dread.

As it actually turned out, I almost feel like we should all take a moment to embrace those Trumpians who were so utterly demolished yesterday. They must be having a hard morning this morning, and some kind words would probably go far toward making them feel better and demonstrating to them what actual compassionate humanity looks like.

Or we could just point and laugh. It's one of those things we should do. I haven't decided.


Have you seen her response when asked to comment on him.

She essentially said that she doesn't want to bad mouth any of her constituents, and he is now one of her constituents.

Which much be especially galling to a sack of shiat like that. To have someone you hate rise above it all and at the same time remind you of the pecking order.
 
2017-11-08 09:30:10 AM  
Gubbo:
Have you seen her response when asked to comment on him.

She essentially said that she doesn't want to bad mouth any of her constituents, and he is now one of her constituents.

Which much be especially galling to a sack of shiat like that. To have someone you hate rise above it all and at the same time remind you of the pecking order.


Now that's a class act right there.
 
2017-11-08 09:32:50 AM  

nekom: Gubbo:
Have you seen her response when asked to comment on him.

She essentially said that she doesn't want to bad mouth any of her constituents, and he is now one of her constituents.

Which much be especially galling to a sack of shiat like that. To have someone you hate rise above it all and at the same time remind you of the pecking order.

Now that's a class act right there.


I give extra credit for managing to be classy, while simultaneously diminishing and castrating the little prick.

That actually takes some skill.
 
2017-11-08 09:36:14 AM  
Gubbo:
I give extra credit for managing to be classy, while simultaneously diminishing and castrating the little prick.

That actually takes some skill.


I think Obama mastered that skill, but she's certainly on her way.
 
2017-11-08 10:22:14 AM  

Pocket Ninja: If every single Republican running across the country had someone won with the exception of Human Sack of Excrement Bob Marshall losing bigly to Danica Roem, as he did, last night still would have been a fantastic victory for decency over dread.

As it actually turned out, I almost feel like we should all take a moment to embrace those Trumpians who were so utterly demolished yesterday. They must be having a hard morning this morning, and some kind words would probably go far toward making them feel better and demonstrating to them what actual compassionate humanity looks like.

Or we could just point and laugh. It's one of those things we should do. I haven't decided.


/ponders your post
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Nah, fark their feelings.
 
2017-11-08 10:27:04 AM  

Gubbo: UberDave: Straight Outta Wells Branch: Small problem, though. If we were really decent, we wouldn't be in the mess we're currently in.

Winning two governors races proves little to me. We're still the nation that elected Trump & his minions. Winning two governor races does not eliminate the stench of who we've become.


There were also 13 Republican incumbents that were beaten in their state legislature.  That's either a shift or people got off their asses and went to vote.

Although, because of a rigged system, winning statewide by 8 points was only enough to tie the state legislature.

/there's a lot to be said for stacking the deck in your favor


So very much this.

I did a little number crunching.

As it stands at the moment, the House of Delegates is 50-50.  There are 5 seats that have a margin less than 1%, 3 of which the Republican is currently in the lead, 2 of which the Democrat is.  After canvasses and recounts, it could be either party's majority.

Total votes for each party's delegate candidates favored Democrats, 1.3 million to 1.07 million.  Caveats:  this doesn't take into account any votes for independents, or third parties.  Nonetheless, while downballot votes aren't ever perfectly correlated with the top of the ticket, this pretty much tracks with the Democratic gubernatorial candidate getting 54% of the vote.

So, should Democrats have won 54-55 seats in the House, without redistricting?  Maybe.  Maybe not.  But here's where I think the telling statistic is:  Republicans had 12 uncontested seats - races where there was no Democratic candidate.  While some had an independent or third party, they were all gigantic blowouts.  Democrats had 29 such uncontested seats.  In other words, during redistricting, the Republicans in charge packed far more Democrats into uncontested seats, while further spreading out Republican voters in an attempt to affect more total districts.  Not that it's anywhere close to a surprise, but this is clear and convincing gerrymandering.
 
2017-11-08 10:31:20 AM  
I am curious to see if Trumpish voting went down by much, or if it stayed the same and was bested by increased non-Trumpish turnout.

Pretty much everyone has their own take on how Clinton lost to such a boob, but mine leans towards low non-Trump enthusiasm/turnout. Lesson learned? We'll see, I guess.

Voter suppression is still a big part of the GOP project.
 
2017-11-08 10:36:11 AM  

aaronx: I am curious to see if Trumpish voting went down by much, or if it stayed the same and was bested by increased non-Trumpish turnout.

Pretty much everyone has their own take on how Clinton lost to such a boob, but mine leans towards low non-Trump enthusiasm/turnout. Lesson learned? We'll see, I guess.

Voter suppression is still a big part of the GOP project.


From what I read, the Trumpiest districts went a little more GOP than the corresponding numbers from the general in '16. Everything else went more Dem.
 
2017-11-08 10:55:49 AM  

Straight Outta Wells Branch: Small problem, though. If we were really decent, we wouldn't be in the mess we're currently in.

Winning two governors races proves little to me. We're still the nation that elected Trump & his minions. Winning two governor races does not eliminate the stench of who we've become.


Unlike Trump, the rest of us can recognize our wrongs and correct our behavior. It's part of being American.

Voting for a felon out of spite is a big wrong but it's happened before.
 
2017-11-08 10:57:44 AM  
Can I start going home to home taking people's guns away from them now?
 
2017-11-08 10:57:51 AM  
I love the tag. Given the crappy 12/18 months it's been... this stuff is borderline sexually arousing.
 
2017-11-08 10:57:53 AM  
There was a poll earlier this week that said Trump would still win the election if it were held today. Sorry to burst your bubble, but America is still Amurca. One off-year election in a state that has been reliably Democratic for over a decade doesn't fill me with huge amounts of confidence.
 
2017-11-08 10:58:55 AM  

Gubbo: Pocket Ninja: If every single Republican running across the country had someone won with the exception of Human Sack of Excrement Bob Marshall losing bigly to Danica Roem, as he did, last night still would have been a fantastic victory for decency over dread.

As it actually turned out, I almost feel like we should all take a moment to embrace those Trumpians who were so utterly demolished yesterday. They must be having a hard morning this morning, and some kind words would probably go far toward making them feel better and demonstrating to them what actual compassionate humanity looks like.

Or we could just point and laugh. It's one of those things we should do. I haven't decided.

Have you seen her response when asked to comment on him.

She essentially said that she doesn't want to bad mouth any of her constituents, and he is now one of her constituents.

Which much be especially galling to a sack of shiat like that. To have someone you hate rise above it all and at the same time remind you of the pecking order.


Sometimes the best revenge is just living well.
 
2017-11-08 10:59:08 AM  

Straight Outta Wells Branch: Small problem, though. If we were really decent, we wouldn't be in the mess we're currently in.

Winning two governors races proves little to me. We're still the nation that elected Trump & his minions. Winning two governor races does not eliminate the stench of who we've become.


Didn't say we were decent - just that decency won for a change. Everyone has their off-day.
 
2017-11-08 11:00:05 AM  

Shaggy_C: There was a poll earlier this week that said Trump would still win the election if it were held today. Sorry to burst your bubble, but America is still Amurca. One off-year election in a state that has been reliably Democratic for over a decade doesn't fill me with huge amounts of confidence.


Ah today is the day that we believe polls. Got it.
 
2017-11-08 11:00:28 AM  
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2017-11-08 11:01:12 AM  
The best analysis I heard last night is that Trumpism only succeeds when you have a Hillary to oppose.  Trump is unique in that his opponent was just that hated.   I don't recall any other candidate in modern history that had such a negative side as Hillary did.

The problem right now is that it seems that the democrats that won the vote yesterday seem to be on the extreme of their party... and its probably too soon.   We need the pendulum to swing back to the center and possibly a bit to the left in 2018, but if the two new governors make a spectacle of themselves (or the media does).. it does not bode well for the correction we need in congress in 2018.
 
2017-11-08 11:02:23 AM  
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Surely this will be the event that finally unhinges, Trump.
 
2017-11-08 11:03:50 AM  

Pocket Ninja: those Trumpians


Yeah, I've got a message for 'em:

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2017-11-08 11:04:25 AM  
I sincerely doubt that a typical Trump voter is informed enough to know that there were elections or why they should care.
 
2017-11-08 11:06:09 AM  

Gubbo: Ah today is the day that we believe polls. Got it.


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2017-11-08 11:06:24 AM  

aaronx: I am curious to see if Trumpish voting went down by much, or if it stayed the same and was bested by increased non-Trumpish turnout.


Me, too. An increase in decent people voting is good, but it becomes great if the deplorables have become the too disheartened to vote. The "dare I even dream it?" scenario is that they realize they're too farking stupid to have a say in running a lemonade stand, let alone a country, and just stop entirely. That didn't and won't happen, but it's nice to have a dream while living this nightmare.
 
2017-11-08 11:06:41 AM  
Yesterday's victories aren't "We won!" they are "it's possible to win!" In a southern swing state with a gerrymandered GOP-majority legislature the Dems won big. If Dems put in the work and turn out they can overcome the voter suppression of the right and the self-defeating apathy of the left.
 
2017-11-08 11:07:04 AM  

Straight Outta Wells Branch: Small problem, though. If we were really decent, we wouldn't be in the mess we're currently in.

Winning two governors races proves little to me. We're still the nation that elected Trump & his minions. Winning two governor races does not eliminate the stench of who we've become.


yeah, let's see what happens next year in the midterm cycle.
 
2017-11-08 11:07:24 AM  
It's almost like voting works. I guess that's why the GOP wants to make it more difficult.
 
2017-11-08 11:08:36 AM  

Gubbo: Shaggy_C: There was a poll earlier this week that said Trump would still win the election if it were held today. Sorry to burst your bubble, but America is still Amurca. One off-year election in a state that has been reliably Democratic for over a decade doesn't fill me with huge amounts of confidence.

Ah today is the day that we believe polls. Got it.


I read that report myself, thinking, "Uh-oh."

But then I thought: That's a bit daft, isn't it? There's no actual campaign going on. Trump is being shiatty, unpopular and useless, but there's no focused attempt to unseat him, to put him to debate, or to bring him to some kind of account.  Likewise, Clinton hasn't been making a positive case for her own candidacy, so to call the question hypothetical is, if anything, an understatement.
 
2017-11-08 11:08:47 AM  

Shaggy_C: Gubbo: Ah today is the day that we believe polls. Got it.

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Because if it helps you, the polls for VA were terribly wrong. The had the Dems winning by about 3. And they won by about 8. And funnily enough there is silence on that big miss.
 
2017-11-08 11:11:50 AM  

DannyBrandt: Can I start going home to home taking people's guns away from them now?


Now is not the time to talk about grabbing guns.

Just follow your heart. In the middle of the night, follow your heart.
 
2017-11-08 11:12:20 AM  
Yes we still have a a lot of work to do but this is just a tiny bit of respite for what has been a devastating, hopeless, and crushing year.

It shows that the voters on these states care. So maybe there is hope.
 
2017-11-08 11:13:07 AM  

Rocketboy1313: I sincerely doubt that a typical Trump voter is informed enough to know that there were elections or why they should care.


Donald Jr. tweeted that GOP voters should remember to turn out to vote. Today. Not yesterday but today.
 
2017-11-08 11:13:50 AM  

Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: Rocketboy1313: I sincerely doubt that a typical Trump voter is informed enough to know that there were elections or why they should care.

Donald Jr. tweeted that GOP voters should remember to turn out to vote. Today. Not yesterday but today.


He said tomorrow yesterday.
 
2017-11-08 11:14:13 AM  
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2017-11-08 11:15:20 AM  

Prey4reign: Straight Outta Wells Branch: Small problem, though. If we were really decent, we wouldn't be in the mess we're currently in.

Winning two governors races proves little to me. We're still the nation that elected Trump & his minions. Winning two governor races does not eliminate the stench of who we've become.

An acid bath for every American -- 2018 Democratic Party motto


See though, they never get the messaging right.

"Acid-wash jeans for every American."

That's your winner.
 
2017-11-08 11:15:45 AM  

dwrash: The best analysis I heard last night is that Trumpism only succeeds when you have a Hillary to oppose.  Trump is unique in that his opponent was just that hated.   I don't recall any other candidate in modern history that had such a negative side as Hillary did.

The problem right now is that it seems that the democrats that won the vote yesterday seem to be on the extreme of their party... and its probably too soon.   We need the pendulum to swing back to the center and possibly a bit to the left in 2018, but if the two new governors make a spectacle of themselves (or the media does).. it does not bode well for the correction we need in congress in 2018.


The whole op-ed was about what a moderate the new Virginia governor is.

But your concern for the DNC is noted.
 
2017-11-08 11:15:49 AM  

NeuroticRocker: Yes we still have a a lot of work to do but this is just a tiny bit of respite for what has been a devastating, hopeless, and crushing year.

It shows that the voters on these states care. So maybe there is hope.


Nah, it's not crushing. 2 federal indictments, one federal conviction, apparently some non-pardonable NY state indictments in the pipeline for crimes Trump Sr. helped to commit...

It's been a lovely 2017. Our system is working even when its leading players are still committing felonies.

Now 2016 was bad juju.
 
2017-11-08 11:17:10 AM  

drewsclues: Prey4reign: Straight Outta Wells Branch: Small problem, though. If we were really decent, we wouldn't be in the mess we're currently in.

Winning two governors races proves little to me. We're still the nation that elected Trump & his minions. Winning two governor races does not eliminate the stench of who we've become.

An acid bath for every American -- 2018 Democratic Party motto

See though, they never get the messaging right.

"Acid-wash jeans for every American."

That's your winner.


"Acid for every American" would get my vote.

/or maybe shrooms
 
2017-11-08 11:18:14 AM  

Gubbo: Because if it helps you, the polls for VA were terribly wrong. The had the Dems winning by about 3. And they won by about 8. And funnily enough there is silence on that big miss.


The polls also had Hillary winning nationally, which she did. I'm not one of the 'polls are all wrong' types. I do agree that polls do a relatively poor job of counting late-race momentum but I don't think that makes them entirely incorrect from a directional standpoint. Not sure I have enough information or interest to engage beyond that?
 
2017-11-08 11:18:22 AM  

odinsposse: Yesterday's victories aren't "We won!" they are "it's possible to win!" In a southern swing state with a gerrymandered GOP-majority legislature the Dems won big. If Dems put in the work and turn out they can overcome the voter suppression of the right and the self-defeating apathy of the left.


But only if I'm inspired.
 
2017-11-08 11:19:30 AM  

dwrash: I don't recall any other candidate in modern history that had such a negative side as Hillary did.


I don't recall any other candidate being wrongly vilified by fascist right-wing media for decades.
 
2017-11-08 11:20:52 AM  

Shaggy_C: Gubbo: Because if it helps you, the polls for VA were terribly wrong. The had the Dems winning by about 3. And they won by about 8. And funnily enough there is silence on that big miss.

The polls also had Hillary winning nationally, which she did. I'm not one of the 'polls are all wrong' types. I do agree that polls do a relatively poor job of counting late-race momentum but I don't think that makes them entirely incorrect from a directional standpoint. Not sure I have enough information or interest to engage beyond that?


I believe the lesson I'm trying to impart is this "take any single poll with a huge dose of skepticism".
 
2017-11-08 11:20:58 AM  
Why isn't this thread about the shortcomings of Hillary Rodham Clinton? We should definitely be discussing how terrible she is since the thread is about the state government in Virginia.
 
2017-11-08 11:21:02 AM  

dwrash: The best analysis I heard last night is that Trumpism only succeeds when you have a Hillary to oppose.  Trump is unique in that his opponent was just that hated.   I don't recall any other candidate in modern history that had such a negative side as Hillary did.

The problem right now is that it seems that the democrats that won the vote yesterday seem to be on the extreme of their party... and its probably too soon.   We need the pendulum to swing back to the center and possibly a bit to the left in 2018, but if the two new governors make a spectacle of themselves (or the media does).. it does not bode well for the correction we need in congress in 2018.


1st paragraph was solid. It really baited the hook. Pretending that you think the pendulum needs to go anywhere to the left in the 2nd was too much, though.
 
2017-11-08 11:22:44 AM  
The majority of the US identifies as independent.
DNC approval rating is extremely low.
They just sent a message.
 
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