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(Sports Illustrated)   Players from Alabama's 2009 Championship team were paid for signing autographs... which means nothing to the NCAA because they aren't Notre Dame, USC, Penn St, etc   ( si.com) divider line
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2017-11-07 01:39:49 AM  
2009, submitter?

/let it go
 
2017-11-07 03:20:07 AM  

Sgygus: 2009, submitter?

/let it go


Oh no, please don't. The lulz would be hilarious if "Bama was to have that game expunged.
 
2017-11-07 03:30:06 AM  
$200???   How many kids were raped in the locker room?  None?   Pffft.

If this is the worst thing SI could find from 8 years ago, a couple of players getting beer money out of the back of a pickup truck during winter break, I'll take this over the coaches having extra marital affairs with their female staff, tutor scandal, locker room rapes, assault and battery, and the nihilistic hypocrisy of the NCAA  any day of the week.
 
2017-11-07 03:32:29 AM  
Not the firmest of foundations undergird that story.

Besides, who cares what the NCAA might think? We got bigger problems these days than an "allegedly" of 8 years ago.
 
2017-11-07 03:36:13 AM  

Magnus: $200???   How many kids were raped in the locker room?  None?   Pffft.

If this is the worst thing SI could find from 8 years ago, a couple of players getting beer money out of the back of a pickup truck during winter break, I'll take this over the coaches having extra marital affairs with their female staff, tutor scandal, locker room rapes, assault and battery, and the nihilistic hypocrisy of the NCAA  any day of the week.


Don't forget about the Ohio State guys getting nailed for trading their property for tattoos. This level of indignation is just right up the NCAA's alley.
 
2017-11-07 03:45:44 AM  

Hillbilly Jim: Magnus: $200???   How many kids were raped in the locker room?  None?   Pffft.

If this is the worst thing SI could find from 8 years ago, a couple of players getting beer money out of the back of a pickup truck during winter break, I'll take this over the coaches having extra marital affairs with their female staff, tutor scandal, locker room rapes, assault and battery, and the nihilistic hypocrisy of the NCAA  any day of the week.

Don't forget about the Ohio State guys getting nailed for trading their property for tattoos. This level of indignation is just right up the NCAA's alley.


If only they traded the shrunken heads of murder victims to be sure the NCAA wouldn't care.  There's no marketing value in signing shrunken heads for the National Cash off American Athletes to get a cut from.
 
2017-11-07 04:36:44 AM  
OMG! They were damaging the integrity of college football and all it stands for.
Yeah think I don't really care, kids made some money off of their names but that is bad and the schools making millions off them is good.
 
2017-11-07 05:16:14 AM  
Wait... waitwaitwait...

While I TOTALLY loathe the bullshiat hard-on the NCAA has for the southeast (SEC + UNC + Duke basketball + Louisville until this past year) where those schools can PAY PLAYERS and get away with it...

Penn State? I mean, really? Given what JoePa covered up, if the NCAA gave them the Death Penalty TODAY I would probably get a massive boner from being so farking happy...
Also... was Notre Dame punished for something? I am not aware of ND ever having suffered anything ever.

I still chuckle at the punishment USC received because boosters paid Reggie Bush, given what happened with Cam Newton.
 
2017-11-07 05:39:56 AM  
 Players signing autographs, getting free tattoos, cars, money,  housing, whatever...i don't care.  They make the money for the schools so they should get as much as they can.
Schools where sexual assualt is covered up in the interest of preserving the "integrity" of the school should get television and bowl bans and in the case of Ped State they should have received the death penalty.
 
2017-11-07 06:01:30 AM  
if this is legit and all, the cognitive dissonance for the NCAA must have been massive. on the one hand, student ath-o-leets were making pocket change off their amateur sport, which is a crime worse than everything that happened at Penn State. on the other hand, it was at one of their most prominent and lucrative schools. what to do, what to do? isn't this where a small school with a shiatty football program is supposed to be punished as the designated whipping boy?
 
2017-11-07 07:47:23 AM  
Who pays for autographs from college football players?
 
2017-11-07 08:00:46 AM  
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2017-11-07 08:12:46 AM  
I get your arguments.  A little money for autographs is nothing compared to sexual assault.  But what they are alleged to have done is still against the rules.  If a cop pulls your friend over and issues a ticket for not using a turn signal would you make the argument that even though it's illegal it's not a big deal?
/ Hmm, I seem to have talked myself into agreeing with you.
 
2017-11-07 08:18:35 AM  
I don't get the resentment in the headline.
 
2017-11-07 08:18:49 AM  

SuperChuck: Who pays for autographs from college football players?


The same simpletons who run on the field during Alabama's Fan Day?
 
2017-11-07 08:28:34 AM  

SuperChuck: Who pays for autographs from college football players?


I suppose it's because they think they can sell it to a greater fool later.  That's the only advantage I can see to owning an autograph.
 
2017-11-07 08:35:39 AM  

puffy999: While I TOTALLY loathe the bullshiat hard-on the NCAA has for the southeast (SEC + UNC + Duke basketball + Louisville until this past year) where those schools can PAY PLAYERS and get away with it...


All the schools pay their players. They get two types of cash payments - housing allotments and a cost of attendance stipend. They get fancy names to avoid taxes but they are cash money in the pockets of athletes in exchange for their participation in sports.
 
2017-11-07 08:53:51 AM  
All the schools pay their players. They get two types of cash payments - housing allotments and a cost of attendance stipend. They get fancy names to avoid taxes but they are cash money in the pockets of athletes in exchange for their participation in sports.

All of the schools compensate players via price fixing, which is illegal. None of the schools pay their players a fair market wage for their services. None of the schools allow the players to profit from their image. None of the schools classify athletes as employees for the purpose of labor law. Your semantics game ignores every single problem with the sham of amateurism.
 
2017-11-07 08:55:28 AM  
There were literally pictures of Johnny football signing memorabilia in Florida after his mvp year and the NCAA suspended him for half a game.

Do you think he did it for free?!
 
2017-11-07 09:18:09 AM  
Does anybody really care?
 
2017-11-07 09:18:34 AM  

Sgygus: 2009, submitter?

/let it go


Just hit me, 2009 season Alabama played Texas for the national championship?

Is someone looking for Alabama to vacate the win and make Texas the defacto BCS champion ?
 
2017-11-07 09:27:55 AM  
We have found the accusations have merit, and UAB will be punished most severely for these egregious violations. - NCAA
 
2017-11-07 09:32:22 AM  

smerfnablin: Sgygus: 2009, submitter?

/let it go

Just hit me, 2009 season Alabama played Texas for the national championship?

Is someone looking for Alabama to vacate the win and make Texas the defacto BCS champion ?


It really sucks that we didn't get a real game out of that. Alabama got cheated because people could say "yeah, but" and Texas got cheated because they were hobbled on their fifth play from scrimmage. It is nobody's fault obviously though, just the way things are.

Texas has yet to get anywhere near that level again and of course when Texas A&M is the better program the Aggies can't play the Longhorns because of the Aggies' own decision. As an Aggies fan, it is truly such an Aggies thing to do. :(
 
2017-11-07 09:55:33 AM  

ElwoodCuse: All the schools pay their players. They get two types of cash payments - housing allotments and a cost of attendance stipend. They get fancy names to avoid taxes but they are cash money in the pockets of athletes in exchange for their participation in sports.

All of the schools compensate players via price fixing, which is illegal. None of the schools pay their players a fair market wage for their services. None of the schools allow the players to profit from their image. None of the schools classify athletes as employees for the purpose of labor law. Your semantics game ignores every single problem with the sham of amateurism.


College athletes aren't employees, they are students.
 
2017-11-07 10:07:53 AM  

Rapmaster2000: SuperChuck: Who pays for autographs from college football players?

I suppose it's because they think they can sell it to a greater fool later.  That's the only advantage I can see to owning an autograph.


Probably in the case that player makes it to stardom, they have some memorabilia from their early days to cash in.

Or they're just fans trying to fill out their man/woman caves.
 
2017-11-07 10:09:41 AM  

max_pooper: ElwoodCuse: All the schools pay their players. They get two types of cash payments - housing allotments and a cost of attendance stipend. They get fancy names to avoid taxes but they are cash money in the pockets of athletes in exchange for their participation in sports.

All of the schools compensate players via price fixing, which is illegal. None of the schools pay their players a fair market wage for their services. None of the schools allow the players to profit from their image. None of the schools classify athletes as employees for the purpose of labor law. Your semantics game ignores every single problem with the sham of amateurism.

College athletes aren't employees, they are students.


right because students don't ever have jobs or anything
 
2017-11-07 10:37:38 AM  
If the NCAA had any consistency, it would investigate and strip the title from Alabama.  This isn't any different from Ohio State players getting free tattoos - in fact it's worse because it's explicitly against the rules to be paid cash to sign memorabilia.  But it's old and it's Alabama, so NCAA won't follow up.
 
2017-11-07 10:50:09 AM  
Yeah, this is an allegation from a guy who sold fake autographed memorabilia.  I'd believe him as much as I would a student loan director.

Burn him, burn his stuff, and burn the NCAA regulations.
 
2017-11-07 10:53:09 AM  

cefm: If the NCAA had any consistency, it would investigate and strip the title from Alabama.  This isn't any different from Ohio State players getting free tattoos - in fact it's worse because it's explicitly against the rules to be paid cash to sign memorabilia.  But it's old and it's Alabama, so NCAA won't follow up.


If the NCAA had any consistency, they'd have used the Death Penalty on at least thirty different schools and our National Champion would be Ball State.

Stop wishing for consistency.  You'll go blind.
 
2017-11-07 11:08:21 AM  
Yeah it's the crime of the century.
 
2017-11-07 11:25:33 AM  

ElwoodCuse: max_pooper: ElwoodCuse: All the schools pay their players. They get two types of cash payments - housing allotments and a cost of attendance stipend. They get fancy names to avoid taxes but they are cash money in the pockets of athletes in exchange for their participation in sports.

All of the schools compensate players via price fixing, which is illegal. None of the schools pay their players a fair market wage for their services. None of the schools allow the players to profit from their image. None of the schools classify athletes as employees for the purpose of labor law. Your semantics game ignores every single problem with the sham of amateurism.

College athletes aren't employees, they are students.

right because students don't ever have jobs or anything


most students don't have full scholarships, a training table, access to superior medical facilities and support, stipends, best housing, personal tutors, class exemptions for games and practice, etc, etc, etc.  Lots of shiat to be fixed (including your comment about profiting on their images) but the athletes are not victims to the extent you are trying to portray them.
Lots of discussions about people with crippling student loans, how many of them were scholarship athletes?
 
2017-11-07 11:35:06 AM  
but the athletes are not victims to the extent you are trying to portray them

cool so since they get some crumbs from that billion-dollar pie it's OK
 
2017-11-07 11:47:09 AM  

ElwoodCuse: but the athletes are not victims to the extent you are trying to portray them

cool so since they get some crumbs from that billion-dollar pie it's OK


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/don't forget about the multi million dollar stadiums, practice and training facilities.
 
2017-11-07 11:53:35 AM  
What am I forgetting, none of that goes into their pockets. It is literally done to distract people like you from that fact. It is done because if they didn't spend the money people would notice the massive surplus and get suspicious.
 
2017-11-07 11:58:54 AM  

ElwoodCuse: What am I forgetting, none of that goes into their pockets. It is literally done to distract people like you from that fact. It is done because if they didn't spend the money people would notice the massive surplus and get suspicious.


Tapioca
 
2017-11-07 12:48:46 PM  

Magnus: $200???   How many kids were raped in the locker room?  None?   Pffft.

If this is the worst thing SI could find from 8 years ago, a couple of players getting beer money out of the back of a pickup truck during winter break, I'll take this over the coaches having extra marital affairs with their female staff, tutor scandal, locker room rapes, assault and battery, and the nihilistic hypocrisy of the NCAA  any day of the week.


Raping kids (college students, staff, etc.) doesn't intefere with the NCAA wage cartel, paying athletes does.  I'm surprised the FBI isn't in on it to maintain NCAA profits.
 
2017-11-07 01:01:26 PM  

yet_another_wumpus: Magnus: $200???   How many kids were raped in the locker room?  None?   Pffft.

If this is the worst thing SI could find from 8 years ago, a couple of players getting beer money out of the back of a pickup truck during winter break, I'll take this over the coaches having extra marital affairs with their female staff, tutor scandal, locker room rapes, assault and battery, and the nihilistic hypocrisy of the NCAA  any day of the week.

Raping kids (college students, staff, etc.) doesn't intefere with the NCAA wage cartel, paying athletes does.  I'm surprised the FBI isn't in on it to maintain NCAA profits.


NCAA is a non-profit
 
2017-11-07 01:37:05 PM  
NCAA is a non-profit

this doesn't mean what you think it does
 
2017-11-07 01:38:10 PM  

ElwoodCuse: NCAA is a non-profit

this doesn't mean what you think it does


It means it's non-profit.
 
2017-11-07 01:44:46 PM  
Uh, subby?  Penn State used it's football program for decades to covertly rape and molest children, protect the rapist and cover it up.  I don't think you want to use them as your example of a team that the NCAA punishes.  They kinda let that one go, presumably thinking a few decades of child molestation is no biggie.
 
2017-11-07 01:53:43 PM  

max_pooper: ElwoodCuse: NCAA is a non-profit

this doesn't mean what you think it does

It means it's non-profit.


You are acting like it means "non-money". As if the people at the top are not paid millions of dollars, because revenues are skyrocketing while labor costs remain illegally fixed.
 
2017-11-07 02:09:58 PM  

ElwoodCuse: max_pooper: ElwoodCuse: NCAA is a non-profit

this doesn't mean what you think it does

It means it's non-profit.

You are acting like it means "non-money". As if the people at the top are not paid millions of dollars, because revenues are skyrocketing while labor costs remain illegally fixed.


No, it means non-profit.
 
2017-11-07 02:12:03 PM  
if you don't have anything to actually say you can shut up
 
2017-11-07 02:12:04 PM  

max_pooper: ElwoodCuse: NCAA is a non-profit

this doesn't mean what you think it does

It means it's non-profit.


Non-profit doesn't mean the organization doesn't make a profit.  One is a legal definition, the other a common sense definition.  They make a LOT of money over their expenses.  That money just isn't officially distributed to an ownership class as legally defined profit.  It gets "invested" in self-preservation, expansion, or hiring of other "employees".

You know, what common sense calls profit.
 
2017-11-07 02:13:07 PM  

ElwoodCuse: max_pooper: ElwoodCuse: NCAA is a non-profit

this doesn't mean what you think it does

It means it's non-profit.

You are acting like it means "non-money". As if the people at the top are not paid millions of dollars, because revenues are skyrocketing while labor costs remain illegally fixed.


if athletes are not employees how can they contribute (or not) to NCAA labor costs?
 
2017-11-07 02:21:51 PM  

Khellendros: max_pooper: ElwoodCuse: NCAA is a non-profit

this doesn't mean what you think it does

It means it's non-profit.

Non-profit doesn't mean the organization doesn't make a profit.  One is a legal definition, the other a common sense definition.  They make a LOT of money over their expenses.  That money just isn't officially distributed to an ownership class as legally defined profit.  It gets "invested" in self-preservation, expansion, or hiring of other "employees".

You know, what common sense calls profit.


Money to pay employees isn't called profit by any definition, it's what common sense calls costs.

Where do you think the money comes from to put on a National Championship tournament for division III women's lacrosse? Just because football and basketball generates more revenue than expenses, doesn't mean that all sports do.
 
2017-11-07 02:35:00 PM  

max_pooper: Money to pay employees isn't called profit by any definition, it's what common sense calls costs.


It absolutely is, when you take someone doing a job worth $50,000 a year and pays them $300,000 a year regardless of the competition for that position.  Those types of structures are how you disseminate "profits" in a legal non-profit.  This is shady non-profit 101 type stuff here.  Are you that naïve?

max_pooper: Where do you think the money comes from to put on a National Championship tournament for division III women's lacrosse? Just because football and basketball generates more revenue than expenses, doesn't mean that all sports do.


Irrelevant.  The NCAA drives a huge amount of revenue well beyond their costs, and they disseminate that across their business (yes it's a business) enterprise.  They don't have stockholders, but they have controlling employees making HUGE personal profits.  They further "invest" funds into businesses and structures to grow their base and influence, even though it's outside of the needs of the organization.

The IOC is also non-profit.  Are so you clueless as to think they're truly non-profit in the meaningful sense?
 
2017-11-07 02:48:42 PM  

Khellendros: max_pooper: Money to pay employees isn't called profit by any definition, it's what common sense calls costs.

It absolutely is, when you take someone doing a job worth $50,000 a year and pays them $300,000 a year regardless of the competition for that position.  Those types of structures are how you disseminate "profits" in a legal non-profit.  This is shady non-profit 101 type stuff here.  Are you that naïve?

max_pooper: Where do you think the money comes from to put on a National Championship tournament for division III women's lacrosse? Just because football and basketball generates more revenue than expenses, doesn't mean that all sports do.

Irrelevant.  The NCAA drives a huge amount of revenue well beyond their costs, and they disseminate that across their business (yes it's a business) enterprise.  They don't have stockholders, but they have controlling employees making HUGE personal profits.  They further "invest" funds into businesses and structures to grow their base and influence, even though it's outside of the needs of the organization.

The IOC is also non-profit.  Are so you clueless as to think they're truly non-profit in the meaningful sense?


It is not a business. If it was it wouldn't be wasting money on fencing tournaments.

Also your opinions on the value of work done by NCAA's employees is noted and ignored.

The NCAA is a non-profit, end of story. If you won't like that term you should take that up with Congress.
 
2017-11-07 03:33:48 PM  

max_pooper: It is not a business.


in EVERY meaningful way, it's a business.  Through and through.

max_pooper: If it was it wouldn't be wasting money on fencing tournaments.


They're required to do those in order to have the coverage necessary to exist as they are.  I didn't say they were an efficient corporation, I say they operate as a business.  And they do.

max_pooper: The NCAA is a non-profit, end of story. If you won't like that term you should take that up with Congress.


They can call themselves "rubber baby buggy bumpers" if that's the legal definition.  It's legal jargon that doesn't mean they're not making profit.  The NCAA makes more money than they need to run, by multiples. They use that money in ways that are legal under their non-profit status, and lots of individuals and associated businesses make tons of money.  That's a business, and it's making profit. Regardless of how it's put on a tax form.

Imagine the most extreme example, for a moment - a fictional non-profit is an organization of one person (me), whose sole responsibility is filling out and submitting 3 pieces of paperwork.  The work to do this is trivial.  Two pieces of it are completely superfluous (but legally necessary), and takes one hour to fill out.  The other piece takes a day of work, and results in income of $5M dollars to the organization.  This job is simple, and 95% of the high school graduates in the U.S. could fulfill this job.

I can't make a profit legally, so I instead pay myself $1M per year in salary.  I then take the rest of the money and buy a large workspace from my buddy to work in, contract services from a dozen vendors to service my workspace, and hire a dozen assistants.  I take trips to paper companies in Vegas and Hawaii to take bids on what paper I do the work on, and perhaps a trip to France... to sample pens to fill the paper out.  I'm legally a non-profit, and will pass every audit.  So long as I file the right paperwork and my balance sheet doesn't show any kinds of payments to controllers, investors, etc, I'm good.  But to any person with more than three brain cells, I'm making a hell of a profit.  The NCAA isn't nearly that egregious (I'd argue the IOC practically is, that's another story), but that's how they're a for-profit non-profit.

These types of orgs are all over the place.  And you're a fool to not see the obvious and hide behind a piece of legal definition.
 
2017-11-07 04:04:42 PM  

lennavan: Uh, subby?  Penn State used it's football program for decades to covertly rape and molest children, protect the rapist and cover it up.  I don't think you want to use them as your example of a team that the NCAA punishes.  They kinda let that one go, presumably thinking a few decades of child molestation is no biggie.


I believe the vacating of all wins of Penn State while Sandusky was employed, the arrest and conviction of several top officials, and the overall blemish on the school does not constitute "getting away with it".

Any further punishment is pointless, self-serving, and will only serve to reinforce the martyr status of the tortured boosters.
 
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