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(PCWorld)   Intel and AMD team up on new chip and plan to take on NVIDIA. Cats and dogs living together   ( pcworld.com) divider line
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2017-11-07 09:19:26 AM  
Awesome. An Intel Cpu with AMD integrated graphics is the best of both worlds.  I hope they make a multisocket Xeon version of this.
 
2017-11-07 09:29:46 AM  

hashtag.acronym: Awesome. An Intel Cpu with AMD integrated graphics is the best of both worlds.  I hope they make a multisocket Xeon version of this.


Without requiring a new socket, regulator or FSB, ideally.

/ spent a decade on that treadmill
 
2017-11-07 09:30:17 AM  
I don't think it's best of both worlds.
 
2017-11-07 09:48:13 AM  

dionysusaur: hashtag.acronym: Awesome. An Intel Cpu with AMD integrated graphics is the best of both worlds.  I hope they make a multisocket Xeon version of this.

Without requiring a new socket, regulator or FSB, ideally.

/ spent a decade on that treadmill


My current dual system is LGA1366...I have to upgrade regardless.

PartTimeBuddha: I don't think it's best of both worlds.


How so?  Intel has the best IPC and AMD has the best integrated graphics.  Both have the best open source drivers for their respective products and share code between Windows and Linux.  Nvidia is a crap choice because of their crap Linux support; lots of open source projects are dropping Nvidia support because their drivers don't support the same open standards that every other tech company follows.
 
2017-11-07 10:14:52 AM  

Cats and dogs living together


It's "dogs and cats living together", tardmitter.

Or "Human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together... mass hysteria!" if you're not into the whole brevity thing.
 
2017-11-07 10:27:07 AM  
And it will still lag in Molten Core 40 man.
 
2017-11-07 10:54:27 AM  

foo monkey: And it will still lag in Molten Core 40 man.


there's nothing that won't lag there.
 
2017-11-07 11:00:13 AM  
Hey here's a honest question. I have a motherboard that's LGA 1155, I can go up to i5/i7 and use my machine regularly for gaming. However, I can only use the second generation intel chips. Which are cheaper. At the moment of the high end games I play (Destiny 2 is a good example) the game runs fine, but I lag in the Menu, so the old school Pentium G series I have just isn't cutting it anymore.

Think I could get the performance I want from a second gen i7?

Or should I update the motherboard too?
 
2017-11-07 11:18:27 AM  

ShadowLAnCeR: Hey here's a honest question. I have a motherboard that's LGA 1155, I can go up to i5/i7 and use my machine regularly for gaming. However, I can only use the second generation intel chips. Which are cheaper. At the moment of the high end games I play (Destiny 2 is a good example) the game runs fine, but I lag in the Menu, so the old school Pentium G series I have just isn't cutting it anymore.

Think I could get the performance I want from a second gen i7?

Or should I update the motherboard too?


There's still some life in the LGA 1155 core i5s. The i7 is almost always overkill, in terms of performance per dollar. If you're not willing to change out your motherboard and RAM right now (and who ever is, right?), then an i5 of that age will beat the trousers off your Pentium G.

(I am still on LGA 1155 with a Core i5 3570, and it's paired with a Radeon RX 470. Even though the CPU is years old, I'm never CPU bound.)
 
2017-11-07 12:57:37 PM  

dionysusaur: hashtag.acronym: Awesome. An Intel Cpu with AMD integrated graphics is the best of both worlds.  I hope they make a multisocket Xeon version of this.
Without requiring a new socket, regulator or FSB, ideally.
/ spent a decade on that treadmill


It comes from Intel, it will need a new socket, chipset, and motherboard.  Expect to buy new RAM while you are at it, and don't expect you NVE to be compatible (if you are lucky they will allow you to buy a dongle that will unlock the NVE functions).

But after paying all that, it should give you full access to that fancy new ram and the fasted CPU on the market, so there is that.
/they might even have all the features unlocked
//since the silicon bridge tech lets them mix and match features physically
///last fully unlocked Intel chip I owned was the Celery300A (and only because they couldn't lock the bus).
 
2017-11-07 01:36:34 PM  

Miss Nova: ShadowLAnCeR: Hey here's a honest question. I have a motherboard that's LGA 1155, I can go up to i5/i7 and use my machine regularly for gaming. However, I can only use the second generation intel chips. Which are cheaper. At the moment of the high end games I play (Destiny 2 is a good example) the game runs fine, but I lag in the Menu, so the old school Pentium G series I have just isn't cutting it anymore.

Think I could get the performance I want from a second gen i7?

Or should I update the motherboard too?

There's still some life in the LGA 1155 core i5s. The i7 is almost always overkill, in terms of performance per dollar. If you're not willing to change out your motherboard and RAM right now (and who ever is, right?), then an i5 of that age will beat the trousers off your Pentium G.

(I am still on LGA 1155 with a Core i5 3570, and it's paired with a Radeon RX 470. Even though the CPU is years old, I'm never CPU bound.)


Goodie! I'm going for overpowered. :D my motherboard is a ASRock B75 pro 3, good board do o don't wanna replace it.
 
2017-11-07 01:42:51 PM  
What about Cyrix?
 
2017-11-07 01:46:07 PM  

ShadowLAnCeR: Hey here's a honest question. I have a motherboard that's LGA 1155, I can go up to i5/i7 and use my machine regularly for gaming. However, I can only use the second generation intel chips. Which are cheaper. At the moment of the high end games I play (Destiny 2 is a good example) the game runs fine, but I lag in the Menu, so the old school Pentium G series I have just isn't cutting it anymore.

Think I could get the performance I want from a second gen i7?

Or should I update the motherboard too?


You should count on getting 5 years from components. So if your system is 2 - 3 years old, upgrading the CPU is viable. If your system is 4 - 5 years old, time to replace the MB.
 
2017-11-07 02:27:14 PM  
There were rumors about this a few months ago, and as I recall, Intel explicitly denied that it was even on the table.
 
2017-11-07 02:32:43 PM  

TruBluTroll: There were rumors about this a few months ago, and as I recall, Intel explicitly denied that it was even on the table.


Because AMD hadn't been under the table yet.
 
2017-11-07 04:37:22 PM  
hashtag.acronym:
PartTimeBuddha: I don't think it's best of both worlds.

How so?  Intel has the best IPC and AMD has the best integrated graphics.  Both have the best open source drivers for their respective products and share code between Windows and Linux.  Nvidia is a crap choice because of their crap Linux support; lots of open source projects are dropping Nvidia support because their drivers don't support the same open standards that every other tech company follows.


Over the years we have had horrible luck with ATI/AMD drivers on windows desktop systems and support from them was lacking. They may be different company today but I won't buy from them anymore. And since I have a big say in what goes into our builds at work it is unlikely they will get any sales there. Nvidia on the other hand has given us practically no issues. Even the few Linux systems we have there has been no problems.
 
2017-11-07 05:03:27 PM  
The architecture will look something like this
upload.wikimedia.orgView Full Size

/I am a nerd
 
2017-11-07 05:13:13 PM  
This has Apple written all over it I believe. They virtually always use CPUs with the Iris Pro (or whatever Intel is calling it for a given generation) for systems that use the IGP, and uses AMD for systems with discrete GPUs. Also, MacOS relies somewhat heavily on OpenCL. This combined package will give Apple the graphics/OpenCL power they want in a smaller, possibly more efficient, package.
 
2017-11-07 05:19:41 PM  

Lothar IB: Over the years we have had horrible luck with ATI/AMD drivers on windows desktop systems and support from them was lacking. They may be different company today but I won't buy from them anymore.


This.   I've run up and tried to kick ATI/AMD's graphics football 3 times in the last 17 years and every time I replaced that card in less than a year with a Nvidia.    Always the drivers.

This time I just went Nvidia from the start, never falling for that shiat again, don't care how great the specs may claim to be.
 
2017-11-07 05:20:01 PM  

ShadowLAnCeR: Miss Nova: ShadowLAnCeR: Hey here's a honest question. I have a motherboard that's LGA 1155, I can go up to i5/i7 and use my machine regularly for gaming. However, I can only use the second generation intel chips. Which are cheaper. At the moment of the high end games I play (Destiny 2 is a good example) the game runs fine, but I lag in the Menu, so the old school Pentium G series I have just isn't cutting it anymore.

Think I could get the performance I want from a second gen i7?

Or should I update the motherboard too?

There's still some life in the LGA 1155 core i5s. The i7 is almost always overkill, in terms of performance per dollar. If you're not willing to change out your motherboard and RAM right now (and who ever is, right?), then an i5 of that age will beat the trousers off your Pentium G.

(I am still on LGA 1155 with a Core i5 3570, and it's paired with a Radeon RX 470. Even though the CPU is years old, I'm never CPU bound.)

Goodie! I'm going for overpowered. :D my motherboard is a ASRock B75 pro 3, good board do o don't wanna replace it.


I don't think a B75 will overclock, but an i5-2400 or 2500 pulled from a Dell Optiplex for $20 should be a big upgrade over a Pentium G.

/ My 2500K is still going strong at 4.4GHz turbo
// Need to upgrade my 7950
/// Stupid miners
 
2017-11-07 06:18:44 PM  
"downgraded" recently to an i7 NUC, which is about the size of a graphics card, so I'm getting a kick.
 
2017-11-08 02:52:28 AM  

Vaginosilicosis: Lothar IB: Over the years we have had horrible luck with ATI/AMD drivers on windows desktop systems and support from them was lacking. They may be different company today but I won't buy from them anymore.

This.   I've run up and tried to kick ATI/AMD's graphics football 3 times in the last 17 years and every time I replaced that card in less than a year with a Nvidia.    Always the drivers.

This time I just went Nvidia from the start, never falling for that shiat again, don't care how great the specs may claim to be.


Nvidia - Getting Away With (GPU) Murder
Youtube dE-YM_3YBm0
 
2017-11-08 06:36:30 AM  

ShadowLAnCeR: Goodie! I'm going for overpowered. :D my motherboard is a ASRock B75 pro 3, good board do o don't wanna replace it.


I'll join the chorus of adding a nice Sandybridge i5 in there will be a valuable extension of the system's life, I ran a 2600K for years and its still quite viable today, these days that system is my girlfriend's and its working just fine.

/They were overclocking champions in their day too, which was nice
 
2017-11-08 10:50:51 AM  

Lothar IB: hashtag.acronym:
PartTimeBuddha: I don't think it's best of both worlds.

How so?  Intel has the best IPC and AMD has the best integrated graphics.  Both have the best open source drivers for their respective products and share code between Windows and Linux.  Nvidia is a crap choice because of their crap Linux support; lots of open source projects are dropping Nvidia support because their drivers don't support the same open standards that every other tech company follows.

Over the years we have had horrible luck with ATI/AMD drivers on windows desktop systems and support from them was lacking. They may be different company today but I won't buy from them anymore. And since I have a big say in what goes into our builds at work it is unlikely they will get any sales there. Nvidia on the other hand has given us practically no issues. Even the few Linux systems we have there has been no problems.


You should study up on Linux GPU drivers and their support.  KDE is dropping Nvidia support as well as a few other projects.  Game Devs are dropping Nvidia support in favor of AMD on Linux.  The reason is Nvidia does their own thing while every other company follows defined standards and developers are tired of coding around Nvidia.

I have to highly recommend Bonnaire based AMD GPUs for Linux users...they're not the best for gaming, but they'll run a 1080p-2K desktop and everything works perfectly.  That said, they're capable of medium-high 1080p games at 40-60fps regardless of OS used...Bonnaire based GPUs are the graphics component in the APU of the PS4 and XB1 which is why they have really good support.  I should add that the open-source Linux driver is the base for their Windows driver now.  After kernel 4.15, that Bonnaire recommendation will change to RX-4XX and better.

I personally switched from Nvidia to AMD in 2013 and I won't go back in regards to my Linux boxes (though I'd still consider Nvidia for a Windows-only gaming PC...that GTX 1060 is a nice GPU in my price range).  All I know is, Linux-wise, Nvidia gets annoying when you have to run kernels newer than LTS and you have to hold off on updates because you have to wait on Nvidia to do their thing first whereas AMD's driver update comes from the kernel update itself.  AMD/Catalyst used to be even worse than Nvidia in that regards so I completely understand your frustration with AMD and Linux.

Without knowing what your use case is I can't really suggest good AMD stuff to try.  For secretaries and people that don't need assloads of computing power, an AMD APU is actually a decent choice, add in a $100 GPU, a USB hub (if more ports are needed), and 2x kb/mouse and you can run two 1080p workstations for $500-$600 with all brand new hardware (a Linux multi-seat configuration).

Best I can suggest or recommend is just give the new AMD a try.  You'll be pleasantly surprised, especially for your Linux workloads.  They're not the same company they were 10 years ago.

Damn, I should contact AMD for a PR position.  I think I can promote their stuff better than them.
 
2017-11-08 02:34:00 PM  
So it will be expensive AND slow?
 
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