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2017-11-06 10:00:14 AM  
Wow. Are people really offended by frickin' everything these days?
 
2017-11-06 10:18:44 AM  
"the daycare children were listening to a CD of various Pippi Longstocking stories when another library user became offended by the description of Pippi's father as a 'Negro king' (negerkung)."

Negerkung is the name of my ska-jugband fusion group.
 
2017-11-06 10:27:33 AM  

kdawg7736: Wow. Are people really offended by frickin' everything these days?


Yes, it would seem some are determined to be.
 
2017-11-06 10:28:21 AM  
I recently watched a live-action version of Pippi Longsticking starring an actress name Dolly Little. It was NOT what I was expecting.
 
2017-11-06 10:32:16 AM  

Wellon Dowd: I recently watched a live-action version of Pippi Longsticking starring an actress name Dolly Little. It was NOT what I was expecting.


Based on the sites where one would find such a thing, I can't imagine what you were expecting.

Um, I mean "Dolly who?"
 
2017-11-06 10:37:53 AM  

kdawg7736: Wow. Are people really offended by frickin' everything these days?


I don't think they are I think they are just attention whores who realized they can get all the attention they want by pretending to be mad about everything and acting as though that gives them some sort of leg to stand on.
 
2017-11-06 10:39:04 AM  
A lot of things that used to be considered entirely OK may not still be considered entirely OK. And that's OK. Things change. It's worth talking about. Getting hysterical, on either side, probably not, but it's worth talking about.

When it's stuff for kids, especially for younger kids, it's OK to:

- Consider making a new version of the old thing, in line with the modern world.

- Retiring the old thing, reclassifying it as nostalgia and as an historical item.

- Letting kids be exposed to it but explaining the ways in which things have changed. It's OK for kids to learn that things change.

It's also appropriate to discuss how things have changed, how they ought to change, and so on.

Pretending things never existed, that's not really an appropriate response. Getting hysterical, not really an appropriate response. Insisting things haven't changed or shouldn't change, not really an appropriate response.
 
2017-11-06 10:45:05 AM  
About time. Lousy gingers.
 
2017-11-06 10:50:30 AM  

RandomAxe: - Consider making a new version of the old thing, in line with the modern world.


This is how we end up with the Disney version of Grimm's stories.
 
2017-11-06 10:56:52 AM  

Wellon Dowd: I recently watched a live-action version of Pippi Longsticking starring an actress name Dolly Little. It was NOT what I was expecting.


Considering that Pippi is from Sweden, maybe you shouldn't have been looking for her under Swedish Erotica.
 
2017-11-06 11:01:14 AM  
The first four Pippi books were published between 1945 and 1948 and in addition to the description of Pippi's father as a "Negro king", the titular character is also at times referred to as a "Negro princess"

I'm OK with this

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2017-11-06 11:05:12 AM  
Wait, so she's black?  I'm not following the complaint here.  What is the acceptable term for "negro" in Sweden?
 
2017-11-06 11:06:29 AM  
I also though she was an Irish and not a black.
 
2017-11-06 11:06:56 AM  

ebell: Wait, so she's black?  I'm not following the complaint here.  What is the acceptable term for "negro" in Sweden?


Slightly less white.
 
2017-11-06 11:07:20 AM  

RandomAxe: A lot of things that used to be considered entirely OK may not still be considered entirely OK. And that's OK. Things change. It's worth talking about. Getting hysterical, on either side, probably not, but it's worth talking about.

When it's stuff for kids, especially for younger kids, it's OK to:

- Consider making a new version of the old thing, in line with the modern world.

- Retiring the old thing, reclassifying it as nostalgia and as an historical item.

- Letting kids be exposed to it but explaining the ways in which things have changed. It's OK for kids to learn that things change.

It's also appropriate to discuss how things have changed, how they ought to change, and so on.

Pretending things never existed, that's not really an appropriate response. Getting hysterical, not really an appropriate response. Insisting things haven't changed or shouldn't change, not really an appropriate response.


Counter-point: Have you SEEN the newer loony tunes? They are criminally bad.

/ with the possible exception of Wile E Coyote and Roadrunner. The art style is funky; but it's more or less faithful to the original.
 
2017-11-06 11:11:28 AM  
Look, anything's racist if you've run out of actual racist things to be offended about, and you're an easily offended sort.
 
2017-11-06 11:14:16 AM  
Seems pretty clear to me that the word Negro should have been changed or removed by the editor.
 
2017-11-06 11:15:21 AM  
Anne of Green Gables still hiding out in Canada.

/this is not the redhead thread I was looking for.
 
2017-11-06 11:15:32 AM  

GanjSmokr: kdawg7736: Wow. Are people really offended by frickin' everything these days?

Yes, it would seem some are determined to be.


Perhaps if they could reduce the chip on their shoulder to the size of a Dorito and enjoy the story of a girl as strong as ten policemen.
 
2017-11-06 11:17:26 AM  
This text is now purple: This is how we end up with the Disney version of Grimm's stories.

Saying it's OK to do a new version of something old is not the same as saying it's OK to do a bad version of something old. You can't blame me for Disney deciding it's commercial to do a thing and then lazily doing a bad job of it.


iheartscotch: Counter-point: Have you SEEN the newer loony tunes? They are criminally bad.

See above. There, the problem is a corporation saying, "Hey, this thing is famous and beloved! We can do a shiat version of it, and it'll still sell a ton."

We can all make long lists of crap remakes that should not be, but the main problem is that hearty serving of crap.
 
2017-11-06 11:25:57 AM  
Ok, so now I wait for the Tom Swift stuff to appear as well...  a LOT of the older books and materials that were written before the current culture views have shifted were not written for it, but rather for the culture AT THAT TIME.  This is one of those "DUH" examples that again show how that there are a majority of people out there who refuse to think and actually use their brain, and rather try to grift off of the anger of "others" who also refuse to use their brain.

Kinda like a lot of the people in the politics tab.  /snirk
I keep hoping that someday people might realize that things which feed off of anger or hate are what can truly be called "bad" or "evil" and that the goodness of people will surface but maybe it requires people to actually think, too...  if so, we are doomed in the current culture.
 
2017-11-06 11:28:02 AM  

kdawg7736: Wow. Are people really offended by frickin' everything these days?


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2017-11-06 11:28:27 AM  

RandomAxe: This text is now purple: This is how we end up with the Disney version of Grimm's stories.

Saying it's OK to do a new version of something old is not the same as saying it's OK to do a bad version of something old. You can't blame me for Disney deciding it's commercial to do a thing and then lazily doing a bad job of it.


iheartscotch: Counter-point: Have you SEEN the newer loony tunes? They are criminally bad.

See above. There, the problem is a corporation saying, "Hey, this thing is famous and beloved! We can do a shiat version of it, and it'll still sell a ton."

We can all make long lists of crap remakes that should not be, but the main problem is that hearty serving of crap.


Yeah, I'm not sure what point iheartscotch is trying to make. Bugs Bunny isn't funny if he isn't putting on black face or tripping an over the top version of Tojo?

Loony Tunes and Merrie Melodies had incredibly creative and talented people working on them (Avery, Freleng, Jones, etc). These people also happen to be a product of their time and let pervasive racial stereotypes into their comedy because that was ingrained in the zeitgeist of entertainment then.

These animated shorts were incredibly well produced works of art spearheaded by some very talented people. If you take the bone-in-nose spear throwing African stereotype out of the short it doesn't diminish the quality of the humor.

Contemporary versions of Bugs Bunny and Daffy Duck being shiatty is not a result of dreaded PC culture run amok. It's because the owners of the IP feel they don't need to throw too many resources at it to make a buck.
 
2017-11-06 11:28:59 AM  

iheartscotch: Counter-point: Have you SEEN the newer loony tunes? They are criminally bad.

/ with the possible exception of Wile E Coyote and Roadrunner. The art style is funky; but it's more or less faithful to the original.


The Wizard song scratched an old itch I hadn't had in a looooooong time. It was farking brilliant. And the episode where Porky tries to renew his driver's license was farking brilliant, and the Lola's country club was almost as good.
 
2017-11-06 11:30:11 AM  

kdawg7736: Wow. Are people really offended by frickin' everything these days?


I know I am.
 
2017-11-06 11:30:55 AM  

RandomAxe: This text is now purple: This is how we end up with the Disney version of Grimm's stories.

Saying it's OK to do a new version of something old is not the same as saying it's OK to do a bad version of something old. You can't blame me for Disney deciding it's commercial to do a thing and then lazily doing a bad job of it.


Doing a new version isn't the same as bowdlerizing, which is what's being requested.
 
2017-11-06 11:31:45 AM  

LurkingCat: Ok, so now I wait for the Tom Swift stuff to appear as well...


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2017-11-06 11:33:35 AM  
SCTV - Pepi Longsocks
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2017-11-06 11:35:54 AM  

Sniveling Coward: kdawg7736: Wow. Are people really offended by frickin' everything these days?

I know I am.


I'm offended that you think you have a right to be offended.
 
2017-11-06 11:45:03 AM  

RandomAxe: - Letting kids be exposed to it but explaining the ways in which things have changed. It's OK for kids to learn that things change.


This is our approach. With strong Swedish roots and growing up in SoCal (with access to KTLA and KCOP reruns in the '70s and '80s), the Pippi Longstocking movies (and subsequently the books) were a huge part of my childhood.

Now that I have a daughter, we go back to that material, but we talk about the stuff that hasn't "aged well".  Hey, guess what, we do the same thing with some of the language from Mark Twain.

The one thing that's different about the Pippi stories is that Astrid Lindgren lived long enough to see a more enlightened version of race relations (died 2002), but was always unapologetic about the language she used at the time of her writing.  That rubs some people wrong, which is fair, I guess.
 
2017-11-06 12:00:24 PM  

Sniveling Coward: kdawg7736: Wow. Are people really offended by frickin' everything these days?

I know I am.


User name checks out...
 
2017-11-06 12:01:12 PM  

TTBoyArDee: lso though she was an Irish and not a black.


When did my nationality become an object?
 
2017-11-06 12:04:53 PM  

gnarlywizzard: Seems pretty clear to me that the word Negro should have been changed or removed by the editor.


Seventy plus years ago? The books are from the 40s. It was culturally enlightened for its time.
 
2017-11-06 12:20:13 PM  
CSB:
I read the Pippi books as a youngster, and I still remember one scene. Pippi was sort of a feral child but had two friends, brother and sister, from a "normal" family. Pippi found an old bucket and put it over her head, telling her friends what a great adventure it was. Then she started running all around a field while her friends tried to get her to stop. Pippi ran into a fence and flipped over it, landing on her head. She told her friends, "It was a good thing I was wearing that bucket, or I could have cracked my head open!"

I am often reminded of that story when observing... certain types of people.
 
2017-11-06 12:21:15 PM  

Mr. Eugenides: gnarlywizzard: Seems pretty clear to me that the word Negro should have been changed or removed by the editor.

Seventy plus years ago? The books are from the 40s. It was culturally enlightened for its time.


I mean the editor of the CD audio version which caused the outrage
 
2017-11-06 12:25:12 PM  

gnarlywizzard: Seems pretty clear to me that the word Negro should have been changed or removed by the editor.


Seems pretty clear to me that snowflakes need to learn to accept the world as it was. This was put out in the 40s, 'Negro' was perfectly acceptable, and was far more respectful than a lot of stuff being used at the time. We don't need to go back and edit shiat because some people are overly sensitive. It's no longer a reflection of the times it was written in, so it's no longer the same book as it was.

in other words, nobody should edit the farking book just to make some overly sensitive people less farking triggered. Especially since they will just move on and find something new to cry about.
 
2017-11-06 12:30:47 PM  

MightyPez: RandomAxe: This text is now purple: This is how we end up with the Disney version of Grimm's stories.

Saying it's OK to do a new version of something old is not the same as saying it's OK to do a bad version of something old. You can't blame me for Disney deciding it's commercial to do a thing and then lazily doing a bad job of it.


iheartscotch: Counter-point: Have you SEEN the newer loony tunes? They are criminally bad.

See above. There, the problem is a corporation saying, "Hey, this thing is famous and beloved! We can do a shiat version of it, and it'll still sell a ton."

We can all make long lists of crap remakes that should not be, but the main problem is that hearty serving of crap.

Yeah, I'm not sure what point iheartscotch is trying to make. Bugs Bunny isn't funny if he isn't putting on black face or tripping an over the top version of Tojo?

Loony Tunes and Merrie Melodies had incredibly creative and talented people working on them (Avery, Freleng, Jones, etc). These people also happen to be a product of their time and let pervasive racial stereotypes into their comedy because that was ingrained in the zeitgeist of entertainment then.

These animated shorts were incredibly well produced works of art spearheaded by some very talented people. If you take the bone-in-nose spear throwing African stereotype out of the short it doesn't diminish the quality of the humor.

Contemporary versions of Bugs Bunny and Daffy Duck being shiatty is not a result of dreaded PC culture run amok. It's because the owners of the IP feel they don't need to throw too many resources at it to make a buck.


That's not the only thing... Groundbreaking works don't really evolve. Look at The Simpsons, it's not what itrwas, not because somebody has suddenly not realized how to be funny, but because their hook doesn't work anymore. They broke ground, and that was followed up by any number of shows, most notably South Park. Well, South Park isn't really all that amazing anymore, either. But they broke ground with what they did, and someone will pick that up and run with it. These things all had something that worked when they started out, was highly influential, and sparked something new. But they also can't really evolve, so they die off. Same thing with Looney Tunes. Trying to just re-start it isn't going to work. The closest things that have worked were really complete reinventions like Animaniacs and Tiny Toons. You can't just dust off the equipment and fire it back up and expect to recreate the exact magic you had before.
 
2017-11-06 12:31:22 PM  
I wasn't aware negro was ever meant as a racist term. I know it's outdated, same with "colored", but in their day each was considered "politically correct" so to speak. I find it hard to believe people are unaware of this.
 
2017-11-06 12:39:49 PM  

ReapTheChaos: I wasn't aware negro was ever meant as a racist term. I know it's outdated, same with "colored", but in their day each was considered "politically correct" so to speak. I find it hard to believe people are unaware of this.


Maybe you should ask a black person about white people describing them as negro before you start running your mouth.
 
2017-11-06 12:42:29 PM  

gnarlywizzard: ReapTheChaos: I wasn't aware negro was ever meant as a racist term. I know it's outdated, same with "colored", but in their day each was considered "politically correct" so to speak. I find it hard to believe people are unaware of this.

Maybe you should ask a black person about white people describing them as negro before you start running your mouth.


It's not that simple.  RIF.
 
2017-11-06 12:46:57 PM  

BafflerMeal: gnarlywizzard: ReapTheChaos: I wasn't aware negro was ever meant as a racist term. I know it's outdated, same with "colored", but in their day each was considered "politically correct" so to speak. I find it hard to believe people are unaware of this.

Maybe you should ask a black person about white people describing them as negro before you start running your mouth.

It's not that simple.  RIF.


Yes, it.
 
2017-11-06 12:50:30 PM  
Seriously, though, what word do modern Swedes use to describe people of African descent?
 
2017-11-06 12:55:18 PM  

Herbie555: RandomAxe: - Letting kids be exposed to it but explaining the ways in which things have changed. It's OK for kids to learn that things change.

This is our approach. With strong Swedish roots and growing up in SoCal (with access to KTLA and KCOP reruns in the '70s and '80s), the Pippi Longstocking movies (and subsequently the books) were a huge part of my childhood.

Now that I have a daughter, we go back to that material, but we talk about the stuff that hasn't "aged well".  Hey, guess what, we do the same thing with some of the language from Mark Twain.

The one thing that's different about the Pippi stories is that Astrid Lindgren lived long enough to see a more enlightened version of race relations (died 2002), but was always unapologetic about the language she used at the time of her writing.  That rubs some people wrong, which is fair, I guess.


Fark that. No, it isn't "fair". It's idiotic.

ebell: Seriously, though, what word do modern Swedes use to describe people of African descent?


I'm sure it's somewhere in the Ikea catalog...
 
2017-11-06 01:01:06 PM  
Wait 'till they read this one...

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2017-11-06 01:08:00 PM  

ebell: Wait, so she's black?  I'm not following the complaint here.  What is the acceptable term for "negro" in Sweden?


African-American Swede.
 
2017-11-06 01:12:31 PM  

OtherLittleGuy: ebell: Wait, so she's black?  I'm not following the complaint here.  What is the acceptable term for "negro" in Sweden?

African-American Swede.


Personally I prefer a Blue Swede
1. Blue Swede - Hooked on a Feeling
Youtube NrI-UBIB8Jk
 
2017-11-06 01:13:20 PM  

ebell: Seriously, though, what word do modern Swedes use to describe people of African descent?


Did some googling, not sure how legit it is.

 black people in Sweden identify themselves as Afrosvenska

ethnic swedes have a few different words for black people

  mörkhyad (dark-skinned) is the most PC.

neger (negro) is less PC and only still used by out of touch old hillbillies in the sticks

svart  (black) is considered straight up racist.
 
2017-11-06 01:34:52 PM  

ReapTheChaos: I wasn't aware negro was ever meant as a racist term. I know it's outdated, same with "colored", but in their day each was considered "politically correct" so to speak. I find it hard to believe people are unaware of this.


Time for a name change?

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2017-11-06 01:36:02 PM  

Thong_of_Zardoz: Wait 'till they read this one...

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Oh good lord, if you want to talk racist language, that book has nothing on 'The Adventures of Tom Sawyer".
 
2017-11-06 01:38:53 PM  

Mikey1969: Fark that. No, it isn't "fair". It's idiotic.


Thank you for sharing your deep and profound knowledge of the Swedish language and culture, and the rules about what black people might find offensive.

Your opinion is clearly authoritative on these subjects.
 
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