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(Cracked)   Star Trek Discovery is boldly the best Trek show ever made, and here's why   ( cracked.com) divider line
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2017-11-05 07:20:00 AM  
Because they boldly went where no show had gone before? (Behind the paywall of a service no one has and no one wants)
 
2017-11-05 07:46:19 AM  
[oh it's this thread again] In before the"Orville is better crowd" which is nice. Like both, or don't. See how easy that was?
 
2017-11-05 07:48:17 AM  

sno man: Like both, or don't. See how easy that was?


What about option 3: Like Discovery, bored by The Orville? That's where I am.
 
2017-11-05 07:51:13 AM  
I didn't care enough about the first ep to become interested in paying to see the rest and I haven't even watched The Orville.
 
2017-11-05 07:55:11 AM  

Man On A Mission: sno man: Like both, or don't. See how easy that was?

What about option 3: Like Discovery, bored by The Orville? That's where I am.


That's kinda covered in the "or don't"... but sure, option three, why not.
 
2017-11-05 08:01:37 AM  
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2017-11-05 08:04:40 AM  

sno man: Man On A Mission: sno man: Like both, or don't. See how easy that was?

What about option 3: Like Discovery, bored by The Orville? That's where I am.

That's kinda covered in the "or don't"... but sure, option three, why not.


To be technically correct (the best form of correct), you presented a binary choice: like both or don't like both. So I chose a tertiary option.

/ yeah, I'm lots of fun at parties, too
 
2017-11-05 08:23:31 AM  
Now I know what you guys mean by "fan service."

The entire cast and crew of Discovery is leaning back smoking a cigarette right now.
 
2017-11-05 08:23:34 AM  

danielem1: Because they boldly went where no show had gone before? (Behind the paywall of a service no one has and no one wants)


Yep. 

Also - The Orville - the best Star Trek Series since 1970.
 
2017-11-05 08:25:43 AM  
Tried to get into the show, but it just sucked so hard....
 
2017-11-05 08:30:44 AM  
It's a decent sci-fi show but it''s only the best Trek if you're not really a fan of Star Trek to begin with.
 
2017-11-05 08:32:10 AM  
I haven't seen either yet, but if I were to watch one it would be star trek.  I hate Seth Mcfarlane. He's smug personified.
 
2017-11-05 08:32:14 AM  
Subby misspelled Deep Space Nine in the headline.
 
2017-11-05 08:37:48 AM  
Well, if some knob getting screwed by Cracked thinks so....
 
2017-11-05 08:47:29 AM  

sno man: [oh it's this thread again] In before the"Orville is better crowd" which is nice. Like both, or don't. See how easy that was?


I hate both.
+10 hipster cred.
 
2017-11-05 08:48:24 AM  
Lol Voyager had flawed characters...

And, yawn...
 
2017-11-05 08:48:52 AM  

Man On A Mission: sno man: Man On A Mission: sno man: Like both, or don't. See how easy that was?

What about option 3: Like Discovery, bored by The Orville? That's where I am.

That's kinda covered in the "or don't"... but sure, option three, why not.

To be technically correct (the best form of correct), you presented a binary choice: like both or don't like both. So I chose a tertiary option.

/ yeah, I'm lots of fun at parties, too


You don't like both (because you only like one) which is not the same as disliking both.
 
2017-11-05 08:49:52 AM  
BLEH. Dickscovery is only "good" to millennials and dour assholes who need all their entertainment to be emo as f*ck when it's not pandering to their social ideals (WOOO! BEER PONG AND WYCLEF ON THE STARSHIP! F*CKING COOL! WOO!).

It pisses all over Star Trek, and they keep defending it as "necessary change". Fark that.
 
2017-11-05 08:59:29 AM  

Man On A Mission: sno man: Like both, or don't. See how easy that was?

What about option 3: Like Discovery, bored by The Orville? That's where I am.


I'm really liking Discovery. I think a lot of the hate comes from people who really just wanted a remake of TNG which Discovery isn't. So far I've only seen the first episode of The Orville, which was bad. Not Encounter at Farpoint bad, but close. I'll probably watch it eventually.
 
2017-11-05 09:02:09 AM  
Were folks like this when TNG was released? (Honest question, I don't remember all the hub bubbing bubs...)

I know folks were a little miffed when DS9 came out, and it was pretty bleh until they introduced the Dominion.

I know folks were a lot miffed at Voyager...

I was miffed at Enterprise (That theme song...)

I am miffed at Discovery (That pay wall)

All I say, is what I said about nuTrek.  It's good sci-fi, but it's not "Star Trek" (In terms of lore (heh) and fru fru feelings.) <--That is what makes it "Star Trek", like it or not.

Anyway, yawn, tired of people pointing out that I don't like something they like.

/Stop not liking what I like!!
//Hub bubbing bubs, awesome
///Make 'em bounce!
 
2017-11-05 09:03:19 AM  

WilderKWight: It pisses all over Star Trek, and they keep defending it as "necessary change". Fark that.


I'm honestly curious why you think so.
 
2017-11-05 09:04:49 AM  
Lets see how Discovery is "better than all Star Trek before it".

Starfleet being naive instead of trying to say to the Klingons "Hey, you're in our space! Get out first and then we can talk about this peace bullshait!"

Technology again above TOS Kirk's time (for Star Trek: Beyond it was a "portable transwarp beaming platform" which could transport a person from a one man shuttle on Earth to Qo'nos instantaneously) where you can safely transport a ship with all the people and weapons inside to a location in a blink of the eye and attack.

Despite Michael being the only criminal on board, everyone seems to be at each other's throats and makes you wonder if this is really a Starfleet crew.

No exploring, nor seeking out new life and new civilizations.

The Klingon makeup makes them look like they're in blackface for some characters (especially the primary organizer who started the war between the Klingons and Federation, before he got killed).

The Klingons not acting rationally, laughing at the organizer at first for even bringing them to Federation space and then without much reason they're suddenly behind him as if he's the new Chancellor of the Klingon Empire.

I could go on, but beyond the first two episodes which I found online, the rest I pieced together from YouTube clips. Just seems to be not Star Trek, especially with silly criminal Harry Mudd suddenly becomes a murderous psychopath with a time loop (idea stolen from TNG's episode Cause and Effect) crystal for this series.
 
2017-11-05 09:06:02 AM  
I'm watching both, but I'm not gonna suck either show's dick.
 
2017-11-05 09:06:15 AM  

Voiceofreason01: I'm really liking Discovery. I think a lot of the hate comes from people who really just wanted a remake of TNG


Nope. That's not it at all. I hate it because the show constantly and almost gleefully pisses all over continuity, as well as just being a grim, dour, darkly-light, badly-acting piece of crap that demolishes the ideals of both Starfleet and the United Federation of Planets in just about every episode.

But hey, if you wanted a Starz Original Gritty Remake of DS9 combined with Battlestar Galactica with more swearing, gore, nonsensical changes to canon, and unlikable characters, then have at it. This is the "Star Trek branded science fiction/action product" for you.
 
2017-11-05 09:08:30 AM  

WilderKWight: Voiceofreason01: I'm really liking Discovery. I think a lot of the hate comes from people who really just wanted a remake of TNG

Nope. That's not it at all. I hate it because the show constantly and almost gleefully pisses all over continuity, as well as just being a grim, dour, darkly-light, badly-acting piece of crap that demolishes the ideals of both Starfleet and the United Federation of Planets in just about every episode.

But hey, if you wanted a Starz Original Gritty Remake of DS9 combined with Battlestar Galactica with more swearing, gore, nonsensical changes to canon, and unlikable characters, then have at it. This is the "Star Trek branded science fiction/action product" for you.


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2017-11-05 09:08:40 AM  
No, it absolutely is not. It's had a rocky start (as all Trek shows do), but it has potential. So we'll see.

Stupid, ignorant article.
 
2017-11-05 09:09:50 AM  
Why is it set in the same period as TOS and why is she Spock's adopted sister? It doesn't do anything for plot or the character anything except remind you of better Trek series.


ArthurVandelay: I was miffed at Enterprise (That theme song...)


Not just the song, the fact that they left Yuri Gagarin out of the montage was just about the most anti-Trek thing they could do.
 
2017-11-05 09:09:59 AM  
The words Trek fans are looking for: "Suspension of disbelief"

"suspension of disbelief. phrase. a willingness to suspend one's critical faculties and believe the unbelievable; sacrifice of realism and logic for the sake of enjoyment."

If you actually fark up the magic stuff too, I suspend my disbelief to be slapped with faulty magical explanations.  Now I have to suspend it twice, to attempt to enjoy the show.  For many Trek fans, the secondary beliefs (Trek lore (heh)) are the whole reason to watch the show...
 
2017-11-05 09:11:41 AM  
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2017-11-05 09:13:30 AM  
The article is Good and you should fell Good.
 
2017-11-05 09:14:17 AM  

Heron: This article is Good and you should feel Good.


GDITH |:T
FTFM
 
2017-11-05 09:15:24 AM  

Voiceofreason01: Man On A Mission: sno man: Like both, or don't. See how easy that was?

What about option 3: Like Discovery, bored by The Orville? That's where I am.

I'm really liking Discovery. I think a lot of the hate comes from people who really just wanted a remake of TNG which Discovery isn't. So far I've only seen the first episode of The Orville, which was bad. Not Encounter at Farpoint bad, but close. I'll probably watch it eventually.


The last few episodes have been pretty close to TOS-style social commentary.  Fewer dick and fart jokes.
 
2017-11-05 09:16:51 AM  

WilderKWight: It pisses all over Star Trek, and they keep defending it as "necessary change". Fark that.


It needs more skateboarding and rap music. That's what the kids are into now, right?
 
2017-11-05 09:19:40 AM  
Best Trek series: TOS (Without this, there would be no others.)
Best Trek cliff: TNG (Cap'n is Borg?  Fire!)
Best Trek cast: DS9
Best Trek ep: Threshold
Best Trek Song: On now to Eden
Best Trek Char: Barkley
Best Trek Lesson: "Don't play on flowers, when there are half nekked women around."

Feel free to switch out my answers, since it's all subjective anyway.
 
2017-11-05 09:21:59 AM  

WilderKWight: Voiceofreason01: I'm really liking Discovery. I think a lot of the hate comes from people who really just wanted a remake of TNG

Nope. That's not it at all. I hate it because the show constantly and almost gleefully pisses all over continuity, as well as just being a grim, dour, darkly-light, badly-acting piece of crap that demolishes the ideals of both Starfleet and the United Federation of Planets in just about every episode.

But hey, if you wanted a Starz Original Gritty Remake of DS9 combined with Battlestar Galactica with more swearing, gore, nonsensical changes to canon, and unlikable characters, then have at it. This is the "Star Trek branded science fiction/action product" for you.


Both continuity and starfleets high ideals are mostly informed attributes. TNG especially likes to invent technology to fix the problem of the week that we never see again and there's a never ending stream of "bad" admirals and captains constantly violating "Federation ideals" not to mention handwaiving away a lot of really morally questionable decisions using those very "ideals" as an excuse. I understand that a lot of people are upset about the darker tone of Discovery and that the ship isn't pastel painted paper mache and the women aren't running around in mini-skirts but I don't have a lot of sympathy for arguments that it violates the "spirit" of Star Trek.
 
2017-11-05 09:22:25 AM  

Voiceofreason01: WilderKWight: It pisses all over Star Trek, and they keep defending it as "necessary change". Fark that.

I'm honestly curious why you think so.


Shall I go episode by episode, or will a few examples do?

Wyclef Jean music, beer pong, cursing, Starfleet officers being racist assholes, Starfleet holding shadowy tribunals with no advocate for the defendant, Starfleet sending people to mining colony prisons for life instead of seeking rehabilitation, Replicators and Holodecks existing in Pike's era, uniforms that aren't anything like the known uniforms of that era (and which make little sense in terms of design elements), Lorca being a straight-up villain, Michael being a Mary Sue best-at-everything character who is smarter than any Vulcan (their words) and possesses part of Sarek's Katra AND happens to be Spock's adopted sister while still being an incredibly unlikable person who makes lousy choices every week, the magic mushroom instant-warp drive, the forced romance with possibly the least likable characters ever, the Klingons sounding like they're eating pudding while talking, the unnecessary (and canonically wrong) appearance change of the Klingons, the fact that the Klingons ATE a human captain, the Cronenberg horror scenes, the fact that they turned Harry Mudd into a psychopathic mass murderer with time travel, the fact that we have an android in Starfleet on the bridge despite Data repeatedly being called the "first Android in Starfleet", the fact that we learn nothing about any of these bridge crew members or don't have any real connection with the department heads (they could be cardboard cut-outs; They matter so little to any story and have next to zero presence even when they have lines). The fact that Klingons have cloaking technology when they shouldn't yet. The complete changes to every single Klingon ship so they don't resemble anything in any other Trek (not even a little).

I mean, yeah, it's science fiction that throws around some Trek names, ideas, and claims to be based in the Prime universe, but then it completely ignores everything established canonically and doesn't ever bother to explain the changes. They're just "the way it always was" and that sucks.

On top of that, the whole show is just plain grim and unfriendly. The stupid moments of levity don't make up for the overall darkness of the show, in which everything is bleak and humanity seems to have no hope for the future. These people aren't like any people we've ever seen in any Star Trek show (not even DS9). These people are a combination of 21st century millennial frat/sorority twits and dystopian archetypes. Everything in their future SUCKS and the people are petty, bickering, mean-spirited, and borderline evil. They have none of the morals and ideals of the people of the Federation as described by Kirk and his crew, nor even the ideals on display in The Cage, which is in the same era.

This is Star Trek for dour millennials who think life sucks and want a show to agree with them, and they don't particularly care much about Star Trek continuity as long as they can see their own pop culture in the show. It wouldn't surprise me if we got a Kanye West hologram cameo at some point. The show feels pandering and cheap, and I've never finished an episode feeling anywhere near the satisfaction or pleasaure I have in even the worst episodes of TOS or TNG.

Does that answer your question?
 
2017-11-05 09:24:19 AM  

swahnhennessy: Well, if some knob getting screwed by Cracked thinks so....


Cracked's whole model is "everything you know is wrong"

Just yesterday they also had a article about how there's not enough hero death in Marvel movies. As though they're going to kill  Bucky off permanently in two movies
 
2017-11-05 09:26:24 AM  
The article makes some good points, especially about the show being a bridge from our asshole present to the noble Federation future.

But I still wish the show was a sequel instead of a prequel.  They could of done the same show set after the Dominion war. The Federation is in a state of decline and people start to bend ethics in order to preserve it. The good ideals win out in the end and they end up building a stronger Federation.  It is more of an analogue to current events, the spore drive makes more sense as future tech, and the fancy new spaceship fits better in the future rather than a pre-TOS time.
 
2017-11-05 09:26:36 AM  
Voiceofreason01: ... I don't have a lot of sympathy for arguments that it violates the "spirit" of Star Trek.

So if I make a movie, with blackjack and hookers, about Roger Rabbit being framed.  Turn the rabbit into a meth addict, or something, and have him murder Valiant during the hunt for his wife we're totes cool since it's only violating the spirit of the franchise?

Go make your own sci-fi show, I know it's hard being creative but that's no need to smear feces on things I enjoy by saying "This is Trek now"

Of course, this is Trek now.  Best way to deal with it is with Roddenmemberberries, let the small brains have their easy sci-fi.  I'll stick with my "spirit".  Far from the boners of my father...
 
2017-11-05 09:30:14 AM  

Xythero: The article makes some good points, especially about the show being a bridge from our asshole present to the noble Federation future.


You mean the "noble Federation future" that was literally going on at the same time this show is supposed to be set since it takes place at the same time as The Cage in TOS?
 
2017-11-05 09:34:23 AM  

WilderKWight: On top of that, the whole show is just plain grim and unfriendly.


And there it is. It's okay if you don't like Discovery but in a lot of ways the previous Star Trek series' have been defined as much by their flaws as their successes and it sounds like you're defending those flaws.
 
2017-11-05 09:39:45 AM  

Voiceofreason01: WilderKWight: On top of that, the whole show is just plain grim and unfriendly.

And there it is. It's okay if you don't like Discovery but in a lot of ways the previous Star Trek series' have been defined as much by their flaws as their successes and it sounds like you're defending those flaws.


A complete wall of text full of solid reasons why, and you cherry pick one sentence to cling to.

Have fun with your CBS Trek branded science fiction product. If they dumb it down any more you'll be prepped and ready when they remove the movies, TOS, and TNG from Trek canon to make way for more of this CBS Trek garbage.
 
2017-11-05 09:41:29 AM  
Also, (ignoring the "this is Fark" elephant in the site) why the need for all these articles about how "This is good Trek"

Methinks they doth protest too much...
 
2017-11-05 09:43:30 AM  
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2017-11-05 09:44:25 AM  

Xythero: But I still wish the show was a sequel instead of a prequel.  They could of done the same show set after the Dominion war.


They couldn't do that, because then CBS couldn't justify sticking in CBS-sponsored musical artist product placement into the CBS-produced show, or they'd at least have a hard time explaining its presence.

Make no mistake: Now that CBS is in control, they're doing what they can to erase the old Trek and reset it to a more millennial-friendly product. It won't be long and they'll be doing a show in the TNG era that completely ignores everything in TNG.
 
2017-11-05 09:45:34 AM  
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I not quite sure, I think I am on the fence with that amount of trolling in an article.

It's sad when the creative types would take a movie such as "Rollerball" or "RoboCop", films that were
born of their times and had something to comment on their decades in the harshest terms possible via analogy. Then sadly, get remade decades later, toothless and irrelevant in comparison.

Star Trek (TOS) was a product of the Kennedy era* as in; "Ask not for what your country...., Bear any burden,....If we cannot end our differences...etc", somewhat optimistic in the face of the challenges of those days. So now we get what Star Trek never was, defeatist and nihilistic, with characters that are small of character and virtue, supposedly a mirror which reflects us in this dreary era.

They had a subscription service they wanted to launch, and a moldering IP to exploit, to them it would have seem smart for them to hijack the licence do so. But, had they ever considered that by being somewhat optimistic in the face of everything that is challenging us today would be slightly brave?
 I guess I have to be resigned to dreary, nihilistic ST:D to remind me of our alt-right, alt-fact, alt-decency reality.
*/when I was young I used to think that actors like Shatner, Devane, and Wagner were in vogue because
of there Kennedyesque good looks.
 
2017-11-05 09:48:46 AM  
WilderKWight: ...It won't be long and they'll be doing a show in the TNG era that completely ignores everything in TNG.

Nah, CBS slapped the title of "Star Trek" on this to get the Trekkers/Trekkies to watch/pay for the show.  Problem is, the fans they're trying to bamboozle are smarter than the boozlers.  (For the most part, exceptions to rules blah blah blah)

They will not get the fan base they are after, the show will not be as successful as its predecessors, and will be canned eventually *cough* Enterprise *cough*

Unfortunately, that will teach the boozlers that "Star Trek" sucks now, and should be shelved for a long long time.

But hey, enjoy it while it lasts.  The easy sci-fi will chug along, after gutting the good sci-fi of course.
 
2017-11-05 09:50:34 AM  
Turn down the lights! It's not dramatic looking enough in here for our captain!

Then go to black alert! For added edginess!

/likes Discovery for what it is
 
2017-11-05 09:53:31 AM  

Jensaarai: Turn down the lights! It's not dramatic looking enough in here for our captain!

Then go to black alert! For added edginess!


ALL HANDS, BLACK ALERT!

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2017-11-05 09:55:54 AM  

ElectricPeterTork: Jensaarai: Turn down the lights! It's not dramatic looking enough in here for our captain!

Then go to black alert! For added edginess!

ALL HANDS, BLACK ALERT!

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Well damn, save that helmet picture for another thread ;_;

At least they're not just after the Native Americans (Red), Asians (Yellow), and Avatars (Blue) anymore!
 
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