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2017-11-05 02:32:57 AM  
Starbucks is as old as me. And like Starbucks I to have gotten much too expensive.
 
2017-11-05 02:52:24 AM  

chawco: Starbucks is as old as me. And like Starbucks I to have gotten much too expensive.


Then you owe me twenty bucks.
 
2017-11-05 04:10:16 AM  
I bought 2 pounds of Colombian Peaberry coffee beans, medium roast, for $6.99 this past week at a local Grocery Outlet store.

Well, by that, I mean I bought 10 pounds. Because we use coffee at work, and if shiat like Folgers costs $7 for 29 ounces, why the FARK not splurge for something that's really damned good?

/and it is, by the way
 
2017-11-05 04:41:33 AM  
I am lying, of course. That coffee is mine, it's not for work.

The point is... even the Starbucks stuff in the store isn't cheap, and you can get better roasts/beans for better prices anymore. Same goes for their in-the-store Frappuccino and Double Shot products and whatnot, though I'll admit I will buy the hell out of them if I find them for a really good price.
 
2017-11-05 06:05:08 AM  
A few things have killed their market...

1. Keurig one cups are helping drive traffic away.
2. Cost vs. reward ratio...6$ and a 20 min wait vs. 30sec. at the office?
3. Availability of good product online
4. All things fade
 
2017-11-05 06:34:02 AM  

puffy999: if shiat like Folgers costs $7 for 29 ounces, why the FARK not splurge for something that's really damned good?


If you wanted to get something good, why the hell did you waste $7 on coffee beans?

For $7 you can get a buttload of good tea, and leaves are easier to clean up than grounds.
 
2017-11-05 07:14:45 AM  

bobug: A few things have killed their market...

1. Keurig one cups are helping drive traffic away.
2. Cost vs. reward ratio...6$ and a 20 min wait vs. 30sec. at the office?
3. Availability of good product online
4. All things fade


Keurig is disgusting. It's mildly-flavored tepid water.  People who don't like Starbucks are Keurig's market.
 
2017-11-05 07:26:09 AM  

enry: bobug: A few things have killed their market...

1. Keurig one cups are helping drive traffic away.
2. Cost vs. reward ratio...6$ and a 20 min wait vs. 30sec. at the office?
3. Availability of good product online
4. All things fade

Keurig is disgusting. It's mildly-flavored tepid water.  People who don't like Starbucks are Keurig's market.


I use it to brew tea, with the refillable pod things. Works just fine, and it isn't tepid or under-flavored.
 
2017-11-05 07:39:08 AM  

enry: bobug: A few things have killed their market...

1. Keurig one cups are helping drive traffic away.
2. Cost vs. reward ratio...6$ and a 20 min wait vs. 30sec. at the office?
3. Availability of good product online
4. All things fade

Keurig is disgusting. It's mildly-flavored tepid water.  People who don't like Starbucks are Keurig's market.


At one office I used to work at I was in charge of purchasing coffee, almost daily I had to deal with a coffee snob crying about how k-cups aren't real coffee. And I don't even drink coffee, so that made it worse. Usually after their rant I would say "Well you don't have to drink it you know." Or something like that, sometimes ruder.
 
2017-11-05 07:50:49 AM  

groppet: enry: bobug: A few things have killed their market...

1. Keurig one cups are helping drive traffic away.
2. Cost vs. reward ratio...6$ and a 20 min wait vs. 30sec. at the office?
3. Availability of good product online
4. All things fade

Keurig is disgusting. It's mildly-flavored tepid water.  People who don't like Starbucks are Keurig's market.

At one office I used to work at I was in charge of purchasing coffee, almost daily I had to deal with a coffee snob crying about how k-cups aren't real coffee. And I don't even drink coffee, so that made it worse. Usually after their rant I would say "Well you don't have to drink it you know." Or something like that, sometimes ruder.


I get the convenience, especially in an office environment.  It's just not good.

A few of my clients are large enough to have a Starbucks inside the building.
 
2017-11-05 07:52:56 AM  

groppet: enry: bobug: A few things have killed their market...

1. Keurig one cups are helping drive traffic away.
2. Cost vs. reward ratio...6$ and a 20 min wait vs. 30sec. at the office?
3. Availability of good product online
4. All things fade

Keurig is disgusting. It's mildly-flavored tepid water.  People who don't like Starbucks are Keurig's market.

At one office I used to work at I was in charge of purchasing coffee, almost daily I had to deal with a coffee snob crying about how k-cups aren't real coffee. And I don't even drink coffee, so that made it worse. Usually after their rant I would say "Well you don't have to drink it you know." Or something like that, sometimes ruder.


Email them links to a french press and a thermos.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2017-11-05 07:53:44 AM  
My semi-daily reminder of how over-gadgeted the world is comes when I walk past the beverage makers at work. One of them has an antenna so it can phone home. It's just a 4:1 multiplexer of drink mix options with a variable valve to control strength, but it has a GUI and stands as tall as a person. The other is a similarly sized coffee maker. There are also smaller machines that come and go. I think the Keurig is gone.
 
2017-11-05 08:19:12 AM  
My beans were excreted by Queen Elizabeth II's pet civet but at least I'm saving money.
Long black.
Like my women?
 
2017-11-05 08:19:43 AM  

groppet: enry: bobug: A few things have killed their market...

1. Keurig one cups are helping drive traffic away.
2. Cost vs. reward ratio...6$ and a 20 min wait vs. 30sec. at the office?
3. Availability of good product online
4. All things fade

Keurig is disgusting. It's mildly-flavored tepid water.  People who don't like Starbucks are Keurig's market.

At one office I used to work at I was in charge of purchasing coffee, almost daily I had to deal with a coffee snob crying about how k-cups aren't real coffee. And I don't even drink coffee, so that made it worse. Usually after their rant I would say "Well you don't have to drink it you know." Or something like that, sometimes ruder.


Someone who does not partake in the ritual of drinking coffee should not be charged with acquiring said nectar of the gods.
 
2017-11-05 08:49:50 AM  

Gary-L: groppet: enry: bobug: A few things have killed their market...

1. Keurig one cups are helping drive traffic away.
2. Cost vs. reward ratio...6$ and a 20 min wait vs. 30sec. at the office?
3. Availability of good product online
4. All things fade

Keurig is disgusting. It's mildly-flavored tepid water.  People who don't like Starbucks are Keurig's market.

At one office I used to work at I was in charge of purchasing coffee, almost daily I had to deal with a coffee snob crying about how k-cups aren't real coffee. And I don't even drink coffee, so that made it worse. Usually after their rant I would say "Well you don't have to drink it you know." Or something like that, sometimes ruder.

Someone who does not partake in the ritual of drinking coffee should not be charged with acquiring said nectar of the gods.


Which is why I'm an atheist.
 
2017-11-05 09:05:19 AM  

doglover: If you wanted to get something good, why the hell did you waste $7 on coffee beans?

For $7 you can get a buttload of good tea, and leaves are easier to clean up than grounds.


I'm going to go out on a limb and assume it's because he wanted coffee, not tea. These are two completely different things. The US fought a war over this.
 
2017-11-05 09:17:56 AM  

groppet: And I don't even drink coffee, so that made it worse.


When I was in some Navy training everyone was on the list to make coffee in the morning. Huge percolator, so that meant getting to class two hours early. When it was a non-coffee drinking Lieutenant's turn, he just followed the directions: put four cups of grounds in the top, filled it with water and turned it on. Navy coffee is never a treat, but this was really bad. When asked, he said he followed the directions... which said nothing about emptying the old grounds and coffee. All non-drinkers were removed from the list.
 
2017-11-05 09:25:41 AM  

Cheeseface: These are two completely different things.


Indeed. One is good.
 
2017-11-05 09:28:39 AM  
Go to Mickey D's if you want to overpay for caffeinated swill. $2-3 for most McCafe offerings vs. $5+ at Starbucks.
 
2017-11-05 09:30:59 AM  
Much of the appeal to some people was the exclusivity of buying a starbucks drink.  Now that it seems there is a store on every corner that feeling of exclusivity of the brand just isn't there any more.

True story time.  Working on a movie ... lots of long days and overnights.  Craft services brought in jugs of Starbucks.  Much of the crew was fine with that.  The assistant director sends out a PA off set to get him a starbucks.  When it was pointed out to him we had starbucks on set he said that wasn't good enough, he had to have the cup with the logo too so everyone could see it, otherwise what is the point of drinking starbucks.

I am not a regular coffee drinker.
 
2017-11-05 09:33:07 AM  
bobug:
4. All things fade

More like all things cannot keep growing at 20% in order to satisfy Wall Street. At some point Starbucks will reach every coffee drinker willing to pay $6 for a cup of coffee. I think they have reached this point.
 
2017-11-05 09:59:14 AM  
So I went looking for a live version of the Ink Spots to brighten up this thread but this is so very much better.  Sort of, well, see for yourself.
Java Jive (The Ink Spots) - Pat Boone & Take 6
Youtube Ffkp754wMWo
 
2017-11-05 10:02:14 AM  

doglover: puffy999: if shiat like Folgers costs $7 for 29 ounces, why the FARK not splurge for something that's really damned good?

If you wanted to get something good, why the hell did you waste $7 on coffee beans?

For $7 you can get a buttload of good tea, and leaves are easier to clean up than grounds.


That said, Teavana has the White Chocolate Peppermint in stock. I picked up a lot of it, Recover, Lime tea, and a butt load of others yesterday. Oh, so good.
 
2017-11-05 10:14:52 AM  

ZAZ: My semi-daily reminder of how over-gadgeted the world is comes when I walk past the beverage makers at work. One of them has an antenna so it can phone home. It's just a 4:1 multiplexer of drink mix options with a variable valve to control strength, but it has a GUI and stands as tall as a person. The other is a similarly sized coffee maker. There are also smaller machines that come and go. I think the Keurig is gone.


Maybe you'd prefer this drink multiplexer?

img.fark.netView Full Size
 
hej [TotalFark]
2017-11-05 10:24:06 AM  
I used to like Starbucks, but now it seems like I'm just drinking sour milk.
 
2017-11-05 10:31:07 AM  

puffy999: I am lying, of course. That coffee is mine, it's not for work.

The point is... even the Starbucks stuff in the store isn't cheap, and you can get better roasts/beans for better prices anymore. Same goes for their in-the-store Frappuccino and Double Shot products and whatnot, though I'll admit I will buy the hell out of them if I find them for a really good price.


Wish that were true around here. Even the the Indy roasters charge *$ and Peets like prices.
 
2017-11-05 10:46:27 AM  

offacue: So I went looking for a live version of the Ink Spots to brighten up this thread but this is so very much better.  Sort of, well, see for yourself.
[YouTube video]


What the hell was that?
 
2017-11-05 10:50:25 AM  
Starbucks isn't pricey if you just order something other than their elaborate drinks. I but a tall medium coffee with nothing added, and it's a little over two dollars. That's about the same price as a Dunkin Donuts'coffee.
 
2017-11-05 10:59:12 AM  
I have had one $10 Starbucks  coffee from the day of Clinton's second inauguration when a friend made us go and wait 20 minutes in line.

I'm one of those people who never has enough time (Fark is my vice) so that just didn't work for me
 
2017-11-05 11:02:09 AM  

puffy999: I bought 2 pounds of Colombian Peaberry coffee beans, medium roast, for $6.99 this past week at a local Grocery Outlet store.

Well, by that, I mean I bought 10 pounds. Because we use coffee at work, and if shiat like Folgers costs $7 for 29 ounces, why the FARK not splurge for something that's really damned good?

/and it is, by the way


Not to piss in yer Wheaties, but...

Coffee is not treated as it should be in its distribution network.  It's a living food, more like bread or beer, where time, treatment and processing all affect its flavor, but it gets warehoused and handled as if it were salt.

A bag of beans might be from a single-source organic producer (good!), 100% arabica (mandatory!), small-batch roasted (sure!) and so on, none of that tells you when they were picked, how long and how they were stored, when they were roasted and packaged and how long it's been since then.

Ideally you want the shortest time in the pipeline possible (insert civet cat joke here).  Green beans wholesale to roaster to bag to you, to your grinder, filter/whatever to cup.  The longer the beans sit, especially after they're roasted, the less flavor and aroma there's going to be when brewed.

Grocery Outlet is not a specialty purveyor of quality beans.  They're a bulk disposal company for anything in the food industry, but you knew that.  Cheap is what they're about, and who knows where they got that peaberry to liquidate.  Who knows how long they were on a back shelf and so on.

There is such a thing as too-cheap coffee.  Look around for a local roaster.  They're buying fresh green beans in bulk, roasting and blending them on a frequent basis, and you should be able to trust that they're not selling you old stuff on clearance.  Note their prices.  That will tell you just how "cheap" quality coffee can be, and it won't be $7/lb peaberry. The taste should justify what you pay for it, but it's likely to be $14 - $16 a pound.

FWIW, I buy roasted whole beans direct from the farmer that grows them in Ka'u on the Big Island of Hawaii.  It costs me $30/lb delivered, but that's because it's grown in the US, not a third world nation where the farmer gets like 40 cents an hour.  They roast and bag infrequently enough that sometimes they tell me the shipment's going to be delayed a few days until the next scheduled roast.  But the beans are amazing, and some of the best coffee I've ever had.  I did the math and a 2oz grind for a pot of coffee costs me $3.75.  That gets me four 8oz cups of really great stuff, far better than anything *$ would ever sell me.  Again, it's like craft beer, and that two year old Octoberfest on closeout at Grocery Outlet won't taste anything like it did on tap when it was just released.

Just how cheap can you get decent Colombian beans?  It turns out it can waver between $2 to $7 a pound for bulk green unroasted beans in Bogota but you'll have to buy rather a lot of it, and that doesn't include shipping, packaging or roasting.  And the length of time the beans sit in transit and storage will still matter.  If you're buying them for $7/lb at Grocery Outlet, someone lost their shirt on that shipment and the beans have been sitting somewhere for quite a while.
 
2017-11-05 11:20:31 AM  

puffy999: I bought 2 pounds of Colombian Peaberry coffee beans, medium roast, for $6.99 this past week at a local Grocery Outlet store.

Well, by that, I mean I bought 10 pounds. Because we use coffee at work, and if shiat like Folgers costs $7 for 29 ounces, why the FARK not splurge for something that's really damned good?

/and it is, by the way


img.fark.netView Full Size
 
2017-11-05 11:54:14 AM  

El Pachuco: Look around for a local roaster.  They're buying fresh green beans in bulk, roasting and blending them on a frequent basis, and you should be able to trust that they're not selling you old stuff on clearance.  Note their prices.  That will tell you just how "cheap" quality coffee can be, and it won't be $7/lb peaberry. The taste should justify what you pay for it, but it's likely to be $14 - $16 a pound.


I buy at my grocery store beans from a local roaster for $15 a lbs. and,  like you said, 4 good cups for about the price of one from a coffee shop. It's not really hard to do these days if you're in any decent-sized urban center.
 
2017-11-05 12:16:54 PM  
I feel like a bad coffee drinker compared to the rest of you. I have a Keurig, I use the refillable pod with Folgers coffee, and I get Starbucks every Sunday before I go grocery shopping. I love coffee, but I'm not in love with coffee.
 
2017-11-05 12:23:09 PM  

bobug: A few things have killed their market...

1. Keurig one cups are helping drive traffic away.
2. Cost vs. reward ratio...6$ and a 20 min wait vs. 30sec. at the office?
3. Availability of good product online
4. All things fade


It's the wait! I can't go to the starbucks near my work and get back in 15 minutes, so I just don't have their coffee. I usually end up going to mcdonalds and using their app to order ahead and then pick it up. They still make it faster.

If they want to increase foot traffic, they've got to find ways to speed up the making coffee part of their business. Which is their business.
 
2017-11-05 12:35:36 PM  

Jaws_Victim: bobug: A few things have killed their market...

1. Keurig one cups are helping drive traffic away.
2. Cost vs. reward ratio...6$ and a 20 min wait vs. 30sec. at the office?
3. Availability of good product online
4. All things fade

It's the wait! I can't go to the starbucks near my work and get back in 15 minutes, so I just don't have their coffee. I usually end up going to mcdonalds and using their app to order ahead and then pick it up. They still make it faster.

If they want to increase foot traffic, they've got to find ways to speed up the making coffee part of their business. Which is their business.


Starbucks app + order ahead.    Wasn't that hard to figure out since you do the exact same thing with another store.
 
2017-11-05 12:38:59 PM  
I never drank coffee until they opened a starbucks at my work. At my current place we have 2 starbucks, one literally downstairs below my desk. And fark me I'm a junkie now.

/I still don't drink coffee though I drink sugary diabetes in a cup latteccinos, so I wouldn't get much use out of the free coffee machine anyways.
//send help
 
wee
2017-11-05 12:57:35 PM  

enry: People who don't like Starbucks are Keurig's market.


So people who don't like overly expensive, bitter coffee?
 
2017-11-05 12:58:28 PM  
The only coffee of theirs I'll drink is their blonde roast ... or any of their light roasts. Their signature roaster's burnt flavor is disgusting.

I only subject myself to Starbucks if there's no other coffee shop in the area.

You must hate coffee if you go there for it.
 
2017-11-05 01:15:41 PM  

Jaws_Victim: bobug: A few things have killed their market...

1. Keurig one cups are helping drive traffic away.
2. Cost vs. reward ratio...6$ and a 20 min wait vs. 30sec. at the office?
3. Availability of good product online
4. All things fade

It's the wait! I can't go to the starbucks near my work and get back in 15 minutes, so I just don't have their coffee. I usually end up going to mcdonalds and using their app to order ahead and then pick it up. They still make it faster.

If they want to increase foot traffic, they've got to find ways to speed up the making coffee part of their business. Which is their business.


That's what you don't understand.  Starbucks is not about the coffee -- it's the "experience".  Yes, it sounds pretentious and douchey but it is a simple fact of life.
 
2017-11-05 01:16:40 PM  

Gary-L: Someone who does not partake in the ritual of drinking coffee should not be charged with acquiring said nectar of the gods.


Someone with a coffee habit probably has a favorite bean and roast.  As such, they probably lack an objective and neutral view as to what coffee the office should order.
 
2017-11-05 01:17:00 PM  
20 cents a cup
vs $5.00

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2017-11-05 01:28:04 PM  

Gary-L: Starbucks is not about the coffee -- it's the "experience".


Wish I could smart this more than once.  That describes much of the upscale restaurant industry.  The product at those places is much more than just the food.
 
2017-11-05 02:13:10 PM  

skinink: Starbucks isn't pricey if you just order something other than their elaborate drinks. I but a tall medium coffee with nothing added, and it's a little over two dollars. That's about the same price as a Dunkin Donuts'coffee.


I really don't like SB, but on the occasion when I'm dragged into one, I usually order a short half and half Chai latte.

That always blows their minds.
 
2017-11-05 02:44:43 PM  

Dinjiin: Gary-L: Starbucks is not about the coffee -- it's the "experience".

Wish I could smart this more than once.  That describes much of the upscale restaurant industry.  The product at those places is much more than just the food.


It describes any restaurant, upscale or not. The retail markup pays for their overhead that allows for the "experience" - which is, at the very least, a point of sale and food service. Since a better experience than just that is to be expected, the sales figures are a good bit higher than just the cost of food - they've got to pay for their operations somehow.

Of course, it gets a bit complicated when you factor in how much workers get paid, what's the profit margin, whether they plan on expanding the business, and all sorts of other accounting things.
 
2017-11-05 02:51:37 PM  

Gary-L: groppet: enry: bobug: A few things have killed their market...

1. Keurig one cups are helping drive traffic away.
2. Cost vs. reward ratio...6$ and a 20 min wait vs. 30sec. at the office?
3. Availability of good product online
4. All things fade

Keurig is disgusting. It's mildly-flavored tepid water.  People who don't like Starbucks are Keurig's market.

At one office I used to work at I was in charge of purchasing coffee, almost daily I had to deal with a coffee snob crying about how k-cups aren't real coffee. And I don't even drink coffee, so that made it worse. Usually after their rant I would say "Well you don't have to drink it you know." Or something like that, sometimes ruder.

Someone who does not partake in the ritual of drinking coffee should not be charged with acquiring said nectar of the gods.


What is worse is when we do something good or get an award from the company, there is always a $5-$10 Starbucks gift card there too. Rather they give me Amazon cards so I usually just give mine to my sister since she likes them nasty sugar filled drinks.
 
2017-11-05 03:02:11 PM  

groppet: Gary-L: groppet: enry: bobug: A few things have killed their market...

1. Keurig one cups are helping drive traffic away.
2. Cost vs. reward ratio...6$ and a 20 min wait vs. 30sec. at the office?
3. Availability of good product online
4. All things fade

Keurig is disgusting. It's mildly-flavored tepid water.  People who don't like Starbucks are Keurig's market.

At one office I used to work at I was in charge of purchasing coffee, almost daily I had to deal with a coffee snob crying about how k-cups aren't real coffee. And I don't even drink coffee, so that made it worse. Usually after their rant I would say "Well you don't have to drink it you know." Or something like that, sometimes ruder.

Someone who does not partake in the ritual of drinking coffee should not be charged with acquiring said nectar of the gods.

What is worse is when we do something good or get an award from the company, there is always a $5-$10 Starbucks gift card there too. Rather they give me Amazon cards so I usually just give mine to my sister since she likes them nasty sugar filled drinks.


I've been given gift cards to various coffee chains on occasion. They're worth using if you buy your own beans (so I'll gladly take them), but otherwise I'm not into those nasty sugar filled drinks either.
 
2017-11-05 03:39:15 PM  
A quad shot for three bucks is relatively inexpensive.

Thank you Starbucks
 
2017-11-05 04:03:34 PM  
My family has a Keurig. We aren't coffee conisours by any means. It's perfect for when  you just want one cup in the morning.

Even as a New Englander, I consider DD regular roast weak. A good quality pod from the  'Rig is better.
 
2017-11-05 04:11:24 PM  

cyberspacedout: It describes any restaurant, upscale or not. The retail markup pays for their overhead that allows for the "experience"


That depends on if you include "convenience" in with "experience".  The local taco truck is convenient.  It doesn't really provide much of an experience.  Maybe I'm splitting hairs, but I see them as distinct qualities.
 
kab
2017-11-05 04:22:33 PM  

doglover: puffy999: if shiat like Folgers costs $7 for 29 ounces, why the FARK not splurge for something that's really damned good?

If you wanted to get something good, why the hell did you waste $7 on coffee beans?

For $7 you can get a buttload of good tea, and leaves are easier to clean up than grounds.


'good' and 'tea' don't belong in the same sentence, unless its 'I threw all your tea out, as I needed room for my good coffee', or something.
 
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