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2017-11-05 12:25:30 AM  
I've been a mythology and folklore nerd since I read Thomas Bulfinch as a teenager. It's really annoying when something I enjoy simply for its storytelling gets coopted by people expressing an ideology I have nothing but contempt for.

I know the Nazis were into that stuff long before I was born, but I had thought they'd been adequately seen to through things like the Battle of Berlin, the Nuremberg trials, Mossad and Simon Wiesenthal.
 
2017-11-05 12:50:17 AM  
 No burning crosses or biblical, fire-and-brimstone barking for these racists. They pledged themselves not to Christ, or to the traditional notion of God, but to Odin...

They pledged allegiance to a nifty program used to flash custom ROMs to smartphones? Well that's kinda silly.
 
2017-11-05 01:05:13 AM  
Okay... that was way too long to point out that Hela and Nazis both have evil goals.  Someone must have been told to write this by the editor, on short notice.
 
2017-11-05 01:18:44 AM  

Alphax: Okay... that was way too long to point out that Hela and Nazis both have evil goals.  Someone must have been told to write this by the editor, on short notice.


THIS.  The best part of that article was the headline here on Fark.
 
2017-11-05 01:24:26 AM  
I remember reading the IMDB boards when the first one came out. Stromfront had less up in your face racism.
 
2017-11-05 01:40:03 AM  
I guess we can use the thread to talk about the movie, with a Spoiler Warning already in the headline.

Hela didn't seem to think through her goals too clearly.
A: Use Asgard to conquer the galaxy.
B: Kill any Asgardian who doesn't agree to help.

So she had one living henchman, and lots of skeletal ones.

Not that it's unrealistic that a bad person wouldn't think things through.  And I've heard Cate had a lot of fun doing it.
 
2017-11-05 01:40:14 AM  

dickfreckle: No burning crosses or biblical, fire-and-brimstone barking for these racists. They pledged themselves not to Christ, or to the traditional notion of God, but to Odin...

They pledged allegiance to a nifty program used to flash custom ROMs to smartphones? Well that's kinda silly.


Don't be absurd. They clearly pledged their allegiance to the long defunct software house Odin, creator of Nodes of Yesod, Robin of the Wood and Hypaball for the Commodore 64 and ZX Spectrum, among others.

Hypaball was crap but the music on the Commodore version was superb. Great use of the SID's awesome capabilities.

Commodore 64 Music - 184 - Hypa-Ball
Youtube MyNYfoWBRvc
 
2017-11-05 01:46:29 AM  
of one or another world-ending scheme. In Norse mythology, Ragnarök is itself an apocalyptic calamity, an enormous battle between gods, which sees the world submerged in water

Only in the Poetic Edda. In all the others, Surtr burns the world.
 
2017-11-05 03:47:37 AM  

Alphax: I guess we can use the thread to talk about the movie, with a Spoiler Warning already in the headline.

Hela didn't seem to think through her goals too clearly.
A: Use Asgard to conquer the galaxy.
B: Kill any Asgardian who doesn't agree to help.

So she had one living henchman, and lots of skeletal ones.

Not that it's unrealistic that a bad person wouldn't think things through.  And I've heard Cate had a lot of fun doing it.


It really seemed like all of the cast had fun. The Odin "oh shiat" had me laughing. So did the "old gag". Hella's "did you even listed to what I said?" Valkyrie's introduction... And Thor's "who won the fight were all a lot of fun. I laughed a LOT in that movie and thought it was a lot of fun. Good pacing and didn't feel so drudge-like.

As for white supremacist groups... they can take a sugar-frosted jump off the end of a pier. That kind of stupidity needs to stop. It is blame-shifting at its best, and willful, hateful stupidity at its worst.
 
2017-11-05 04:02:12 AM  
One big Easter Egg was the play Odin was watching, about 'Loki's Sacrifice'.

Luke Hemsworth was playing Thor; Sam Neill was playing Odin; and Matt Damon as Loki.
 
2017-11-05 04:50:40 AM  

Alphax: One big Easter Egg was the play Odin was watching, about 'Loki's Sacrifice'.

Luke Hemsworth was playing Thor; Sam Neill was playing Odin; and Matt Damon as Loki.


I missed the Sam Neill bit. Lawl.
 
2017-11-05 05:10:07 AM  
oh, you.

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2017-11-05 05:16:48 AM  
I thought we'd see some of Sif.. but I suspect that if she was there, we'd only get to watch her die.
 
2017-11-05 05:30:21 AM  

Alphax: I guess we can use the thread to talk about the movie, with a Spoiler Warning already in the headline.

Hela didn't seem to think through her goals too clearly.
A: Use Asgard to conquer the galaxy.
B: Kill any Asgardian who doesn't agree to help.

So she had one living henchman, and lots of skeletal ones.

Not that it's unrealistic that a bad person wouldn't think things through.  And I've heard Cate had a lot of fun doing it.


Perhaps she could resurrect them to be more cooperative, was my thought.

I enjoyed the movie a lot. During ths gladiator fight scene, the callback to the first Avengers movie, and Loki's reaction, were great. Hulk stole the movie in each scene where he talked.
 
2017-11-05 05:41:18 AM  
Those strong, independent thinker sure do whine and complain a lot.

I wonder how they get anything done besides blog posts.
 
2017-11-05 05:43:58 AM  

dickfreckle: No burning crosses or biblical, fire-and-brimstone barking for these racists. They pledged themselves not to Christ, or to the traditional notion of God, but to Odin...

They pledged allegiance to a nifty program used to flash custom ROMs to smartphones? Well that's kinda silly.


Some of us take the 'scorched-Earth' approach when it comes to online ads.  My first and foremost priority when shopping for a phone is if it can be rooted for this purpose.  So, yes.  Praise be to Odin and our Samsung overlords!

/let there be root
 
2017-11-05 05:44:14 AM  
Odds on for this guy qualifying for Airport's Law now starting at 1-1
 
2017-11-05 05:44:26 AM  

swamp_of_dumb: of one or another world-ending scheme. In Norse mythology, Ragnarök is itself an apocalyptic calamity, an enormous battle between gods, which sees the world submerged in water

Only in the Poetic Edda. In all the others, Surtr burns the world.


Came to say this. Did they forget the bit about the flaming holocaust of doom?
Because a giant wielding a flaming sword and flinging fire in every direction and burning goddamned everything is kind of an important and entertaining bit.

/Shouldn't have given up your good sword, Freyr....
 
2017-11-05 06:09:00 AM  

Duck_of_Doom: Alphax: I guess we can use the thread to talk about the movie, with a Spoiler Warning already in the headline.

Hela didn't seem to think through her goals too clearly.
A: Use Asgard to conquer the galaxy.
B: Kill any Asgardian who doesn't agree to help.

So she had one living henchman, and lots of skeletal ones.

Not that it's unrealistic that a bad person wouldn't think things through.  And I've heard Cate had a lot of fun doing it.

Perhaps she could resurrect them to be more cooperative, was my thought.

I enjoyed the movie a lot. During ths gladiator fight scene, the callback to the first Avengers movie, and Loki's reaction, were great. Hulk stole the movie in each scene where he talked.


I am a huge sports fan.
 
2017-11-05 06:11:09 AM  

Dancis_Frake: Those strong, independent thinker sure do whine and complain a lot.

I wonder how they get anything done besides blog posts.


Poor things. They are still trying to recover form the mass triggering that Wolfenstein II created, and now this.
 
2017-11-05 06:24:59 AM  

Duck_of_Doom: Perhaps she could resurrect them to be more cooperative, was my thought.


She's not going to conquer many worlds with mindless bony soldiers that can be mown down with weapons from Texas.
 
2017-11-05 07:21:05 AM  
I liked the movie and it was laugh out loud funny. "Gross, the hammer pulled you off?"
The masses should love it.

But as a long time collector of Thor, I feel Marvel has missed the mark each time.

Also no Balder the Brave?
 
2017-11-05 07:22:27 AM  
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2017-11-05 07:28:31 AM  
Waitaminnit, Hela is Odin's daughter?

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2017-11-05 07:37:51 AM  
It was a really fun movie with no emotional core.  It was too quickly paced, giving you no time to take in anything that has happened.  That is my only complaint.  With the amount of death in this movie, it gives you no time to care about any of it. Just bounces from joke to action scene.   Still it's highly enjoyable.   You can tell everyone was having fun in the movie.
 
2017-11-05 07:45:28 AM  
Blah blah blah wtf did I just read? That was way too long winded for a click bait article but it sure felt like one.
 
2017-11-05 07:46:46 AM  

Alphax: I thought we'd see some of Sif.. but I suspect that if she was there, we'd only get to watch her die.


Read somewhere the studio called her at nearly the last minute and she couldn't get time away from her tv series
 
2017-11-05 07:49:37 AM  
Salon blogger tries, fails to create a political connection between a popular action flick and the Alt Right.
 
2017-11-05 07:53:30 AM  

Alphax: I guess we can use the thread to talk about the movie, with a Spoiler Warning already in the headline.

Hela didn't seem to think through her goals too clearly.
A: Use Asgard to conquer the galaxy.
B: Kill any Asgardian who doesn't agree to help.

So she had one living henchman, and lots of skeletal ones.

Not that it's unrealistic that a bad person wouldn't think things through.  And I've heard Cate had a lot of fun doing it.


Instead of a Dark Lord they would have a Dark Queen, served by Eomer for some reason.  I really wish there had just been one joke about that somewhere.
 
2017-11-05 07:59:50 AM  

Omis: It was a really fun movie with no emotional core.  It was too quickly paced, giving you no time to take in anything that has happened.  That is my only complaint.  With the amount of death in this movie, it gives you no time to care about any of it. Just bounces from joke to action scene.   Still it's highly enjoyable.   You can tell everyone was having fun in the movie.


Agreed.  Thor spent a whole 15 minutes "stuck" on that one planet?
 
2017-11-05 08:00:02 AM  

Dalek Caan's doomed mistress: Instead of a Dark Lord they would have a Dark Queen, served by Eomer for some reason.  I really wish there had just been one joke about that somewhere.


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2017-11-05 08:00:33 AM  

Colour_out_of_Space: Waitaminnit, Hela is Odin's daughter?

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Indeed. Hel should be the daughter of Loki and the Jötunn Angrboða. Her siblings are Fenrir and Jörmungandr.

/"go to hell" comes from wishing the recipient to die of old age or sickness
//not gloriously in battle
///and not to the place of some pointy-tailed, horned, jumped up nouveau
 
2017-11-05 08:09:22 AM  

bobug: Alphax: I guess we can use the thread to talk about the movie, with a Spoiler Warning already in the headline.

Hela didn't seem to think through her goals too clearly.
A: Use Asgard to conquer the galaxy.
B: Kill any Asgardian who doesn't agree to help.

So she had one living henchman, and lots of skeletal ones.

Not that it's unrealistic that a bad person wouldn't think things through.  And I've heard Cate had a lot of fun doing it.

It really seemed like all of the cast had fun. The Odin "oh shiat" had me laughing. So did the "old gag". Hella's "did you even listed to what I said?" Valkyrie's introduction... And Thor's "who won the fight were all a lot of fun. I laughed a LOT in that movie and thought it was a lot of fun. Good pacing and didn't feel so drudge-like.

As for white supremacist groups... they can take a sugar-frosted jump off the end of a pier. That kind of stupidity needs to stop. It is blame-shifting at its best, and willful, hateful stupidity at its worst.


So I saw Thor: Ragnarok on Thursday night and then also on Saturday afternoon.  Both times I enjoyed the movie but I'll have to say that I think Thor: Ragnarok had too much humor or was a bit "too light" at times.

It's still miles better than the other Thor movies but I don't think it fits into my top 5 Marvel movies....maybe..I don't know.

/my "they're doing a political rant in my Marvel movie" was going off a little bit at times but it wasn't too horrible so that is good I guess.
 
2017-11-05 08:11:41 AM  
It was a fun movie, easily the best Thor movie (although that's a really low bar).  The first two-thirds of it were basically a comedy with action moments.  The last act turned into "generic MCU action finale" and was entertaining enough, but a step down from the rest of the film.

One thing I liked about the movie was that it easily had the best (and most unique) score of the MCU.  Guardians did great with its licensed music, but this movie really did a great job with the actual film score.
 
2017-11-05 08:14:26 AM  

Omis: It was a really fun movie with no emotional core.  It was too quickly paced, giving you no time to take in anything that has happened.  That is my only complaint.  With the amount of death in this movie, it gives you no time to care about any of it. Just bounces from joke to action scene.   Still it's highly enjoyable.   You can tell everyone was having fun in the movie.


That's a good summary or what I feel about the movie to an extent.

Also, what is the Valkyrie girl's name?  As I was walking with my friends back to our cars last night, they were like, "what was her name?"  Me:  Uh....no idea...Valkyrie?  :p

/really can't think if they said her name (beyond Scavenger 142 ?).
 
2017-11-05 08:25:21 AM  
I remember when the first one came out, the white nationalist Council of Conservative Citizens complained Hollywood was trying to erase white culture because Idris Elba was cast as Heimdall.

OTOH, leave it to racist Hollywood to cast a black guy as Asgard's doorman.
 
2017-11-05 09:05:30 AM  

Alphax: I guess we can use the thread to talk about the movie, with a Spoiler Warning already in the headline.

Hela didn't seem to think through her goals too clearly.
A: Use Asgard to conquer the galaxy.
B: Kill any Asgardian who doesn't agree to help.

So she had one living henchman, and lots of skeletal ones.

Not that it's unrealistic that a bad person wouldn't think things through.  And I've heard Cate had a lot of fun doing it.


She was great as hell
 
2017-11-05 09:06:28 AM  

Alphax: Dalek Caan's doomed mistress: Instead of a Dark Lord they would have a Dark Queen, served by Eomer for some reason.  I really wish there had just been one joke about that somewhere.

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2017-11-05 09:22:28 AM  

Arachnophobe: Alphax: Dalek Caan's doomed mistress: Instead of a Dark Lord they would have a Dark Queen, served by Eomer for some reason.  I really wish there had just been one joke about that somewhere.

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Now I'm curious about FetLife.. looks more fun than OkCupid..
 
2017-11-05 09:34:24 AM  
In case you can't make it to the theater this weekend, here's the stage version of Thor:
Thor: Ragnarok 4D w/ the 'Thor' Cast
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2017-11-05 09:37:06 AM  
Christianity (which hardcore white supremacists reject on the basis that Christ surrendered to Jewish influence)

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2017-11-05 09:55:42 AM  

smd31: Omis: It was a really fun movie with no emotional core.  It was too quickly paced, giving you no time to take in anything that has happened.  That is my only complaint.  With the amount of death in this movie, it gives you no time to care about any of it. Just bounces from joke to action scene.   Still it's highly enjoyable.   You can tell everyone was having fun in the movie.

That's a good summary or what I feel about the movie to an extent.

Also, what is the Valkyrie girl's name?  As I was walking with my friends back to our cars last night, they were like, "what was her name?"  Me:  Uh....no idea...Valkyrie?  :p

/really can't think if they said her name (beyond Scavenger 142 ?).


Brunhilde.

I don't recall them actually saying her real name, though. But yeah, she's Brunhilde.

Imagine an accenty thingee over the "e", by the way. I don't feel like seeking it to type it.
 
2017-11-05 10:01:28 AM  
I thought it was the perfect stake to the heart of the brooding, mopey, emo grimdark superhero movie. I'm glad to see the hero jumping headfirst into their task with gusto instead of spending half the farking movie being all "I have So. Much. Responsibiliteeeeeeee!!! This power isn't my gift. It. Is. My. Curse!!!" *cuts self* *writes shiatty poetry*

And Jeff Goldblum seemed to be performing a caricature of himself. The resulting Goldblum-ception was highly entertaining.
 
2017-11-05 10:16:09 AM  
Loved it, but as someone said upthread, it almost was too manic and attempting to be funny at times.
My wife read that many parts of the movie were improv and they actually built time into the shooting schedule to clean up things.

The score/soundtrack was excellent.  But I'm going to have to call an audible on using "Immigrant Song" twice.  Maybe it was being used to bookmark both ends of the Thor's transformation.  But still.

What was interesting was how MCU has gotten into showing that it's not the costume/prop that makes the Hero, but what's inside them.  Ironman 3, Spiderman: Homecoming, and now Thor: Ragnarok.
 
2017-11-05 10:18:40 AM  

xalres: I thought it was the perfect stake to the heart of the brooding, mopey, emo grimdark superhero movie. I'm glad to see the hero jumping headfirst into their task with gusto instead of spending half the farking movie being all "I have So. Much. Responsibiliteeeeeeee!!! This power isn't my gift. It. Is. My. Curse!!!" *cuts self* *writes shiatty poetry*

And Jeff Goldblum seemed to be performing a caricature of himself. The resulting Goldblum-ception was highly entertaining.



Exactly all this. With the Distinguished Competition spewing out gritty movies, it's only appropriate for Marvel to remind people "these are comic books, not Shakespeare".  I love comic books. I always have. However, comic books are generally meant to be fun, not depressing. They can be serious, scary, and highly dramatic, but at the end of the day a good comic book story makes you think and makes you smile at least a few times.

Wonder Woman did make me smile a few times, but it still had a lot of 'stick up its ass' moments where we're just expected to accept that she's this totally serious entity in a grim world, and nobody really makes a big deal over how odd she is in comparison to everything else they've experienced. The Justice League trailer has lots of Whedonesque jokes in it, but it looks like they're wedged between moments of "oh my god the world is ending everything is dark and grim and there's only one way our responsibility to save the world can blah blah blah." -- It looks to me like it's going to be a sad, dark movie with a few jokes, instead of a fun movie with natural humor.

But I'll give Justice League a chance if the reviews are even halfway decent. Because I truly WANT a Justice League movie, even if the one I want would embrace the inherent wackiness in superhero comics (more like the CW shows or Marvel's movies) instead of trying to bury it in a sea of grim seriousness.

Even The Winter Soldier managed to embrace the joy of superhero comics while remaining fairly serious in tone. Moments like "on your left" and "I'm here to pick up a fossil" were organic, yet funny. Even "First correction: I am Swiss." was a nice touch that was light and kept the characters from becoming mired in the darkness of the moment.

Thor: Ragnarok was a lot of crazy, silly fun amidst a serious, world-ending story... And it worked. I almost cried when they put on the Led Zeppelin and had Thor and team kicking ass. It was what a Thor movie needed to be: Zany, otherworldly craziness.

And on top of it all, as a comic fan, it was awesome to see such loyal portrayals of Surtur, Loki, Hela, and Executioner. The little Kirby elements (bubbles! crackles!) were much appreciated. The easter eggs for fans were great (BETA RAY BILL! MAN-THING!). This was an awesome Marvel Comics movie.
 
2017-11-05 10:18:54 AM  

BizarreMan: Loved it, but as someone said upthread, it almost was too manic and attempting to be funny at times.
My wife read that many parts of the movie were improv and they actually built time into the shooting schedule to clean up things.

The score/soundtrack was excellent.  But I'm going to have to call an audible on using "Immigrant Song" twice.  Maybe it was being used to bookmark both ends of the Thor's transformation.  But still.

What was interesting was how MCU has gotten into showing that it's not the costume/prop that makes the Hero, but what's inside them.  Ironman 3, Spiderman: Homecoming, and now Thor: Ragnarok.


"Are you the God of Hammers?"
 
2017-11-05 10:20:42 AM  

BizarreMan: The score/soundtrack was excellent.  But I'm going to have to call an audible on using "Immigrant Song" twice.  Maybe it was being used to bookmark both ends of the Thor's transformation.  But still.


I saw that as a cue for "God of Thunder in the house". The first time, he has Mjonir. The second time, he's his full potential without  needing the hammer, and the song plays to tell us "He's truly Thor again".

And besides, Immigrant Song kicks ass.
 
2017-11-05 10:33:50 AM  

NeoCortex42: One thing I liked about the movie was that it easily had the best (and most unique) score of the MCU.  Guardians did great with its licensed music, but this movie really did a great job with the actual film score.


Mark Mothersbaugh FTW, again.
 
2017-11-05 10:34:22 AM  

WilderKWight: BizarreMan: The score/soundtrack was excellent.  But I'm going to have to call an audible on using "Immigrant Song" twice.  Maybe it was being used to bookmark both ends of the Thor's transformation.  But still.

I saw that as a cue for "God of Thunder in the house". The first time, he has Mjonir. The second time, he's his full potential without  needing the hammer, and the song plays to tell us "He's truly Thor again".

And besides, Immigrant Song kicks ass.


No disagreement from me there, and it fit perfectly into the mythology.  I'm glad it hasn't been used earlier in the movies.
 
2017-11-05 10:40:47 AM  
It was a lot of fun, but the ending was really an inappropriate place for fun. This was these people's homes. It's great you saved the people ("Asgard isn't a place!") but it still farking sucks, badly, when that's blown up in front of your face. I don't know about the biological or sociological make up of the average Asgardian, but I bet that they need some time to mourn, like we would. Lord knows we never got that w/ the Warriors Three. I'm actually shocked Heimdall survived.

Of course, the most important cultural statement of this movie is the first time we've ever seen gay lasers (gasers) in a mainstream Hollywood movie.

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