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2017-11-04 04:50:01 AM  
I don't think this is going to work out very well.
 
2017-11-04 05:10:53 AM  
The Dwarves delved too greedily and too deep.
 
2017-11-04 05:25:09 AM  
alright, fine, in the green thread:

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2017-11-04 05:48:40 AM  
There's a Shanara show out now.
 
2017-11-04 05:52:13 AM  
if any story out there deserves its own TV series, i'd pick the Laundry Files novels, by Charles Stross.
 
2017-11-04 05:54:42 AM  
TV series.. huh.  I have no idea what they'd be doing in an episodic format.
 
2017-11-04 05:55:40 AM  

Alphax: TV series.. huh.  I have no idea what they'd be doing in an episodic format.


me either.  Tolkien's writing style and MASSIVE piles of background material don't exactly lend themselves to the format of a weekly 'monster a week' show.
 
2017-11-04 06:15:25 AM  
No thanks. I'm perfectly fine with the on screen translation of those books (except for The Hobbit, fark those movies).

How's about we get some D&D novels on screen instead?

I've been saying for years that the Salvatore books would be wildly successful.
 
2017-11-04 06:18:07 AM  

Extra Virgin Geek Olive Oil: How's about we get some D&D novels on screen instead?


no drow.  ah, but put the DRAGONLANCE series on screen (TV or movie, I don't care) and i'm ready and willing to fanboi like crazy.
 
2017-11-04 06:31:38 AM  

Extra Virgin Geek Olive Oil: No thanks. I'm perfectly fine with the on screen translation of those books (except for The Hobbit, fark those movies).

How's about we get some D&D novels on screen instead?

I've been saying for years that the Salvatore books would be wildly successful.


I always liked the Harpers.  It's bloody perfect for TV, too, because they're basically organized like terrorists. Even they don't know who they are, where they need to be, or what they need to do.  So you can make up any ol' story or use one of the old books or a mix.

Although I wouldn't be opposed to Drizzt on the big screen once or twice, the Salvatore books themselves are tediously similar in aggregate
 
2017-11-04 06:32:19 AM  

Weaver95: Extra Virgin Geek Olive Oil: How's about we get some D&D novels on screen instead?

no drow.  ah, but put the DRAGONLANCE series on screen (TV or movie, I don't care) and i'm ready and willing to fanboi like crazy.


Be careful what you wish for. They made a Dragonlsnce cartoon movie. It was BAD.
 
2017-11-04 06:34:21 AM  

doglover: Although I wouldn't be opposed to Drizzt on the big screen once or twice, the Salvatore books themselves are tediously similar in aggregate


i've survived WAY too many conventions and suffered thru far too many poorly done Drow cosplay attempts to give those novels a fair shake.

spandex is a privilege, not a right.  while I admire your enthusiasm and dedication to your hobby, please PLEASE consider carefully before trying to stuff 300lbs of gamer into a costume designed for someone weighing less than 98lbs when soaking wet.
 
2017-11-04 06:35:10 AM  

doglover: Weaver95: Extra Virgin Geek Olive Oil: How's about we get some D&D novels on screen instead?

no drow.  ah, but put the DRAGONLANCE series on screen (TV or movie, I don't care) and i'm ready and willing to fanboi like crazy.

Be careful what you wish for. They made a Dragonlsnce cartoon movie. It was BAD.


yeah, but you can't tell me that the 'war of the lance' wouldn't be gotdamn EPIC to watch.  esp after the success of 'game of thrones'.
 
2017-11-04 06:35:43 AM  
If they base this off of The Silmarillion, I am 100% down with it. I don't really see any other options besides that or just making up their own stories in the setting (which couldwork, but I'm not sure why they'd want to do that). LotR and The Hobbit were adapted too recently (and too well, in the case of LotR) for there to be any sense in doing them over again.
 
2017-11-04 06:38:28 AM  
I can't imagine what they'd do as a direct telling of the story that would be unique to the serialized medium. People already know the story, and unless they're out to make a 100 hour faithful page by page recreation, what is really gained over the movies? I guess an original story in the LOTR universe could be neat, but it would have to be either a sequel which could seem cheesy, or a prequel that would ultimately feel unimportant to the big picture. Maybe they'd go back into some of the Silmarilion stuff and tell and flesh out some of that, but by the time they're going to that much effort they could just pay someone to make up a fantasy world.  LOTR is popular, but is it carry-an-original-story-by-name-only popular?
 
2017-11-04 06:40:35 AM  

SirSigsegV: If they base this off of The Silmarillion, I am 100% down with it.


just ya know, don't actually quite directly from that book because...uh...well....have you actually read it?

that aside, there's more than a few bits there about the First Age that could make for a good TV story.  Balrogs were gotdamn footmen and 'average' infantry in that time period.
 
2017-11-04 06:41:26 AM  

Weaver95: doglover: Weaver95: Extra Virgin Geek Olive Oil: How's about we get some D&D novels on screen instead?

no drow.  ah, but put the DRAGONLANCE series on screen (TV or movie, I don't care) and i'm ready and willing to fanboi like crazy.

Be careful what you wish for. They made a Dragonlsnce cartoon movie. It was BAD.

yeah, but you can't tell me that the 'war of the lance' wouldn't be gotdamn EPIC to watch.  esp after the success of 'game of thrones'.


The dragon lance cartoon could have been epic. But instead of hiring a proper studio and getting some A-list art teams on board, they only had enough money to make a half animated, half minecraft cgi thing.

The draconians were so bad looking it defies description. look for a clip on youtube. Birdemic level
 
2017-11-04 06:42:32 AM  

darkmythology: I can't imagine what they'd do as a direct telling of the story that would be unique to the serialized medium. People already know the story, and unless they're out to make a 100 hour faithful page by page recreation, what is really gained over the movies? I guess an original story in the LOTR universe could be neat, but it would have to be either a sequel which could seem cheesy, or a prequel that would ultimately feel unimportant to the big picture. Maybe they'd go back into some of the Silmarilion stuff and tell and flesh out some of that, but by the time they're going to that much effort they could just pay someone to make up a fantasy world.  LOTR is popular, but is it carry-an-original-story-by-name-only popular?


Feanor's story is a nice tragedy.
 
2017-11-04 06:42:56 AM  

doglover: The dragon lance cartoon could have been epic. But instead of hiring a proper studio and getting some A-list art teams on board, they only had enough money to make a half animated, half minecraft cgi thing.


I choose to believe this does not exist in my reality.
 
2017-11-04 06:43:37 AM  

doglover: Feanor's story is a nice tragedy.


how about Morgoth corrupting Sauron?  that might be quite the soap opera
 
2017-11-04 06:44:35 AM  

Weaver95: doglover: The dragon lance cartoon could have been epic. But instead of hiring a proper studio and getting some A-list art teams on board, they only had enough money to make a half animated, half minecraft cgi thing.

I choose to believe this does not exist in my reality.


CGI on pixelated wings!

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2017-11-04 06:45:06 AM  

doglover: Weaver95: doglover: The dragon lance cartoon could have been epic. But instead of hiring a proper studio and getting some A-list art teams on board, they only had enough money to make a half animated, half minecraft cgi thing.

I choose to believe this does not exist in my reality.

CGI on pixelated wings!

[www.toonzone.net image 700x395]


I DISBELIEVE!

[rolls will save]
 
2017-11-04 06:47:17 AM  

Weaver95: doglover: Feanor's story is a nice tragedy.

how about Morgoth corrupting Sauron?  that might be quite the soap opera


One of his oldest followers and top lieutenants?  One episode, tops.
 
2017-11-04 06:47:26 AM  

Weaver95: doglover: Feanor's story is a nice tragedy.

how about Morgoth corrupting Sauron?  that might be quite the soap opera


I want to see Fingolfin fight Morgoth.

Preferably animated, because let's be honest, filming a god and an elven lord in an all out battle royale would cost millions and still look off with CGI or practical effects.
 
2017-11-04 06:48:11 AM  

doglover: Weaver95: doglover: The dragon lance cartoon could have been epic. But instead of hiring a proper studio and getting some A-list art teams on board, they only had enough money to make a half animated, half minecraft cgi thing.

I choose to believe this does not exist in my reality.

CGI on pixelated wings!

[www.toonzone.net image 700x395]


Wow.. that's... are you sure that's not from an old DOS game?
 
2017-11-04 06:48:30 AM  
I'd like to see the fall of Arnor (Aragorn's lost kingdom of the north) with all the warring and elves and the Witch King.

$200 million is steep but someone will pay it.  But for $200 million I'd get ALL access, sounds like they are going to hold some parts back.

GoT has shown that fantasy, when done with a decent story and budget, will make a lot of money and is making fantasy almost respectable in America.  And nothing is more respectable in fantasy (IMO) than LoTR.
 
2017-11-04 06:50:25 AM  

doglover: Weaver95: doglover: Feanor's story is a nice tragedy.

how about Morgoth corrupting Sauron?  that might be quite the soap opera

I want to see Fingolfin fight Morgoth.

Preferably animated, because let's be honest, filming a god and an elven lord in an all out battle royale would cost millions and still look off with CGI or practical effects.


Blind Guardian can provide the music.. 'Time Stands Still(At The Iron Hill)'
 
2017-11-04 06:51:32 AM  

Weaver95: SirSigsegV: If they base this off of The Silmarillion, I am 100% down with it.

just ya know, don't actually quite directly from that book because...uh...well....have you actually read it?

that aside, there's more than a few bits there about the First Age that could make for a good TV story.  Balrogs were gotdamn footmen and 'average' infantry in that time period.


At least three times.

Balrogs were very common and only a little more powerful than orcs in the earlier drafts, and became less common and more powerful as he revised the setting until eventually there were only ever around 7 or so at the most.
 
2017-11-04 06:54:25 AM  

Alphax: doglover: Weaver95: doglover: The dragon lance cartoon could have been epic. But instead of hiring a proper studio and getting some A-list art teams on board, they only had enough money to make a half animated, half minecraft cgi thing.

I choose to believe this does not exist in my reality.

CGI on pixelated wings!

[www.toonzone.net image 700x395]

Wow.. that's... are you sure that's not from an old DOS game?


TMNT is all cgi and it works.

MLP is all flash and it works.

Southpark was paper cutouts and it worked.

Venture Bros is all hand animation and it works.

Wallace and Grommit is all clay and it works!


It doesn't matter really what you do, but don't mix two non-complimentary kinds of animation as pictured. Ever
 
2017-11-04 06:56:07 AM  
the more I think about it, the more I like the idea of seeing the dragonlance novels put on screen.  and given an actual budget, with decent writers.  something like halfway between 'game of thrones' and 'rome'.  maybe with a little 'deadwood' thrown in for color.

politics.  intrigue.  dragons.

Raistlin Majere.
Shirak
 
2017-11-04 06:58:28 AM  

Weaver95: Raistlin Majere.
Shirak


Oh yes.. they may have a heck of a time casting him, but done right, they've got a winner.

'Goodbye Brother, I need you no longer...'
 
2017-11-04 07:18:04 AM  

Weaver95: Extra Virgin Geek Olive Oil: How's about we get some D&D novels on screen instead?

no drow.  ah, but put the DRAGONLANCE series on screen (TV or movie, I don't care) and i'm ready and willing to fanboi like crazy.


Hear me out on this one.

To the average D&D fan, yes they are sick to death of hearing about Drizzt. Just like I'm sure that there were Song of Ice and Fire fans sick to death of say Arya and her plot armor.

But when it was brought to the screen, it opened up that story to millions of people who had never even HEARD of those books before (I know, I was one of them). Some of whom went on to become fans of the books (also one of them).

Let's take the Drizzt story, especially the origin story and see it for the opportunity that it is. You have a black character who is born into a society that is expected to act in a negative way. Their reputation for being the bad others is well known in that world. But you have this character who questions and challenges what is expected, is then ousted and flees into exile, finds himself in a world where he faces prejudice, hatred, violence, and bigotry solely because of his skin color. Then over the course of years, this character is able to overcome those prejudices and violence because of his actions and becomes a legendary hero.

What's more, his greatest adversary doesn't hate him because of his skin, he hates him because of his skill. There are narratives in the story that are, in my opinion, extremely relevant to things we see today.

We get a black fantasy hero, who faces racism and hatred while surrounding himself with people who come from mixed backgrounds and becomes one of the greatest heroes of the realm.

Sure Salvatore basically wrote Drizzt into becoming an immortal superhero, but it didn't start off that way and I think it would do really well globally under the right writers and directors. And of course the showrunners or movie directors don't have to keep Drizzt as an immortal superhero...
 
2017-11-04 07:22:32 AM  

Weaver95: doglover: The dragon lance cartoon could have been epic. But instead of hiring a proper studio and getting some A-list art teams on board, they only had enough money to make a half animated, half minecraft cgi thing.

I choose to believe this does not exist in my reality.


Yeah it's a crappy made movie, but one thing is for sure, it's the best page-to-screen adaptation I've seen from these kinds of books. They didn't fark with the story just to make things more dramatic or sexy. They just followed the book.

As crappy as the movie is, I still love it because of how faithful to the books it is.
 
2017-11-04 07:24:05 AM  
Hmm. What if they set it after the end of Lord of the Rings, where you have a group of people trying to resettle, regrow, repopulate and reclaim Mordor?
 
2017-11-04 07:30:24 AM  

Shedim: Hmm. What if they set it after the end of Lord of the Rings, where you have a group of people trying to resettle, regrow, repopulate and reclaim Mordor?


You're not growing anything in volcanic rock anytime soon.  And I'm sure no one wants to set foot in Minas Morgul.. but Ilithen is another matter.  IIRC, Faramir was in charge of that area, and his new wife Eowyn.
 
2017-11-04 07:34:14 AM  

Alphax: doglover: Weaver95: doglover: Feanor's story is a nice tragedy.

how about Morgoth corrupting Sauron?  that might be quite the soap opera

I want to see Fingolfin fight Morgoth.

Preferably animated, because let's be honest, filming a god and an elven lord in an all out battle royale would cost millions and still look off with CGI or practical effects.

Blind Guardian can provide the music.. 'Time Stands Still(At The Iron Hill)'


I actually type type deleted that, because there's parts of the story that would need doing without BGM.
 
2017-11-04 07:59:38 AM  
I think they should just make The Adventures of Glaurung, following him around Beleriand as he solves crimes and eats people.
 
2017-11-04 08:09:15 AM  

SirSigsegV: If they base this off of The Silmarillion, I am 100% down with it. I don't really see any other options besides that or just making up their own stories in the setting (which couldwork, but I'm not sure why they'd want to do that). LotR and The Hobbit were adapted too recently (and too well, in the case of LotR) for there to be any sense in doing them over again.


The article says they're selling limited rights for a TV series, which probably means just TLoTR and not even The Hobbit, let alone The Silmarillion. I agree that they would be better off buying into just a chunk of The Silmarillion but I doubt any TV executive would drop $200 million just for the rights to that. Plus the whole Middle Earth world is just too chaste for HBO.
 
2017-11-04 08:16:23 AM  
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2017-11-04 08:27:50 AM  
I'm still waiting on that Wheel of Time tv series that's apparently in the works
/Barring that, I'll take a Codex Alera or Malazan: Book of the Fallen tv series.
 
2017-11-04 08:29:32 AM  
How about "The Adventures of Tom Bombadil"?

/don't hurt me
 
2017-11-04 08:41:57 AM  
Make it like Power Rangers, but with the Istari.
 
2017-11-04 08:47:27 AM  

texdent: I'm still waiting on that Wheel of Time tv series that's apparently in the works
/Barring that, I'll take a Codex Alera or Malazan: Book of the Fallen tv series.


I heard a Wheel of Time TV series was aired.. in the middle of the night.  I guess they had to make one to keep the rights or something.
 
2017-11-04 08:50:02 AM  
Interesting idea, but I'm not convinced it would work. Fantasy is gaining some traction with the success of the LOTR, Hobbit, and Game of Thrones properties, but I'm not sure the world is ready to embrace another Tolkein epic, whether it's meant to be a rehash of the already successful stories, or based on the Silmarillion, which frankly has always been backstory primarily of interest to super-fans, not the general public.
 
2017-11-04 08:55:17 AM  
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2017-11-04 08:56:06 AM  

Alphax: texdent: I'm still waiting on that Wheel of Time tv series that's apparently in the works
/Barring that, I'll take a Codex Alera or Malazan: Book of the Fallen tv series.

I heard a Wheel of Time TV series was aired.. in the middle of the night.  I guess they had to make one to keep the rights or something.


It was more of a pilot and it sucked.
 
2017-11-04 08:59:47 AM  

Extra Virgin Geek Olive Oil: Weaver95: Extra Virgin Geek Olive Oil: How's about we get some D&D novels on screen instead?

no drow.  ah, but put the DRAGONLANCE series on screen (TV or movie, I don't care) and i'm ready and willing to fanboi like crazy.

Hear me out on this one.

To the average D&D fan, yes they are sick to death of hearing about Drizzt. Just like I'm sure that there were Song of Ice and Fire fans sick to death of say Arya and her plot armor.

But when it was brought to the screen, it opened up that story to millions of people who had never even HEARD of those books before (I know, I was one of them). Some of whom went on to become fans of the books (also one of them).

Let's take the Drizzt story, especially the origin story and see it for the opportunity that it is. You have a black character who is born into a society that is expected to act in a negative way. Their reputation for being the bad others is well known in that world. But you have this character who questions and challenges what is expected, is then ousted and flees into exile, finds himself in a world where he faces prejudice, hatred, violence, and bigotry solely because of his skin color. Then over the course of years, this character is able to overcome those prejudices and violence because of his actions and becomes a legendary hero.

What's more, his greatest adversary doesn't hate him because of his skin, he hates him because of his skill. There are narratives in the story that are, in my opinion, extremely relevant to things we see today.

We get a black fantasy hero, who faces racism and hatred while surrounding himself with people who come from mixed backgrounds and becomes one of the greatest heroes of the realm.

Sure Salvatore basically wrote Drizzt into becoming an immortal superhero, but it didn't start off that way and I think it would do really well globally under the right writers and directors. And of course the showrunners or movie directors don't have to keep Drizzt as an immortal superhero...


Drow aren't "black" in the African way... They're literally shades of actual black: dark grey to obsidian*. They don't have African physical features, either. They're black-skinned elves, with elf features.

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Are you saying you went through the whole series picturing an African guy as Drizzt? Drow have decidedly Norwegian features in most depictions, just as all elves do.

So no, this is not a role for a black guy. This would be a role for a VERY white guy painted black, which would probably not go over too well on television.

*no, not blue, you WoW weirdos.
 
2017-11-04 09:05:16 AM  

WilderKWight: Extra Virgin Geek Olive Oil: Weaver95: Extra Virgin Geek Olive Oil: How's about we get some D&D novels on screen instead?

no drow.  ah, but put the DRAGONLANCE series on screen (TV or movie, I don't care) and i'm ready and willing to fanboi like crazy.

Hear me out on this one.

To the average D&D fan, yes they are sick to death of hearing about Drizzt. Just like I'm sure that there were Song of Ice and Fire fans sick to death of say Arya and her plot armor.

But when it was brought to the screen, it opened up that story to millions of people who had never even HEARD of those books before (I know, I was one of them). Some of whom went on to become fans of the books (also one of them).

Let's take the Drizzt story, especially the origin story and see it for the opportunity that it is. You have a black character who is born into a society that is expected to act in a negative way. Their reputation for being the bad others is well known in that world. But you have this character who questions and challenges what is expected, is then ousted and flees into exile, finds himself in a world where he faces prejudice, hatred, violence, and bigotry solely because of his skin color. Then over the course of years, this character is able to overcome those prejudices and violence because of his actions and becomes a legendary hero.

What's more, his greatest adversary doesn't hate him because of his skin, he hates him because of his skill. There are narratives in the story that are, in my opinion, extremely relevant to things we see today.

We get a black fantasy hero, who faces racism and hatred while surrounding himself with people who come from mixed backgrounds and becomes one of the greatest heroes of the realm.

Sure Salvatore basically wrote Drizzt into becoming an immortal superhero, but it didn't start off that way and I think it would do really well globally under the right writers and directors. And of course the showrunners or movie directors don't have to keep Drizzt as an immortal superhero...

Drow aren't "black" in the African way... They're literally shades of actual black: dark grey to obsidian*. They don't have African physical features, either. They're black-skinned elves, with elf features.

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Are you saying you went through the whole series picturing an African guy as Drizzt? Drow have decidedly Norwegian features in most depictions, just as all elves do.

So no, this is not a role for a black guy. This would be a role for a VERY white guy painted black, which would probably not go over too well on television.

*no, not blue, you WoW weirdos.


OTOH, black Drow would be awesome.

Samuel L Du'rden.

"I'm sick of these motherf*ckin' dwarfs mining in my motherf*ckin' ceiling!"
 
2017-11-04 09:15:07 AM  
Speaking with my father.. perhaps a series based on life in the Shire.  Parties, harvests, and sometimes troubles like human bandits, a stray troll or 3, perhaps an orc raid for the season finale..
 
2017-11-04 09:23:10 AM  

Weaver95: if any story out there deserves its own TV series, i'd pick the Laundry Files novels, by Charles Stross.


Recommended? I've read the first few Merchant Princes novels, and you can tell Stross spends more writing time winging it than outlining. Engaging writing, but less satisfying overall stories than they should be.
 
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