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2017-11-03 03:02:11 PM  
It sounds like her problem is that Bollywood makes terrible movies. How is Netflix to blame for that?
 
2017-11-03 03:03:58 PM  
 In most western countries entertainment didn't get serious about cleaning up its act racially until substantial racial minorities were established in those countries, and their disposable income had become big enough that cheap racist jokes started to cost producers money. British television had comedians performing in blackface well into the 1980's.

In South Asia the European white population is small, and the black American population even smaller. I doubt that will change in any foreseeable future.

Bollywood is not going to change, so Netflix's real decision is whether it's worth alienating a growing South Asian community in North America by refusing to let them watch the latest movies from their former countries, to which most still have strong connections. It doesn't strike me as a difficult decision to make from a business standpoint, alas.
 
2017-11-03 03:31:51 PM  
There is nothing more irrelevant than television targeted at Brampton, Malvern and Surrey.

I don't think the Indians care Torstar, why should you?
 
2017-11-03 03:33:49 PM  
Netflix licenses what people watch. You don't want Netflix to carry racist bollywood movies? Stop watching them.
 
2017-11-03 03:38:30 PM  
White women are always being held up as the Sexual Ideal and they're constantly being repressed for it.  I feel bad for them.
 
2017-11-03 03:40:49 PM  
Jaan Pehechaan Ho
Youtube IgeuUAzThto
 
2017-11-03 03:42:32 PM  
If it offends her, she shouldn't watch it.

Or just say she loves diversity, as long as everyone holds the same values she does.
 
2017-11-03 03:45:34 PM  
Newsflash: someone looking for something to be offended by, finds it.
 
2017-11-03 03:55:44 PM  
Isn't she being culturally biased by asking Indian cinema to reflect western values?
 
2017-11-03 03:57:28 PM  
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The only thing Bollywood needs is more horse slides.
 
2017-11-03 04:04:04 PM  
indian dwarf dancing
Youtube hM2rAbp3Hjs

I'm so outraged!!
 
2017-11-03 04:07:05 PM  
"I was looking for a break recently from bigotry, racism and sexism, the stressful discourse of which informs my work life. "

Sounds like someone needs a safe space.
 
2017-11-03 04:11:10 PM  

Mad_Radhu: Isn't she being culturally biased by asking Indian cinema to reflect western values?


It is exactly this kind of thing that makes me wonder.....not necessarily in a snarky way.

There seem to be two progressive ideas that are in conflict:

1.) People should be able to maintain their culture unaffected by Western Imperialism and influence.
2.) There are some real bullshiat things about Culture X that need to change to correspond with a Western Progressive mindset.

It's hard to agree to #2 without the passive implication that some cultural imperalism is ok because they're doing it wrong.
 
2017-11-03 04:14:37 PM  
Fast forward about 15 minutes and the female lead, Asin, makes her first dramatic appearance. She is gorgeous (did I mention light-skinned?), dressed in bridal finery, and she's running, scared, looking over her shoulder as she is chased by a group of men all cast in a greyish-blue light that made their dreadlocked silhouettes decidedly sinister.

I'm done.


What a coincidence! Me too

/not really
//I read a bit longer but didn't really feel a need to finish it
///i guess people like to read stuff like that
 
2017-11-03 04:17:11 PM  
Jesus, the author of that piece needs a good chode punch.  If you don't like something that Netflix offers, just watch one of the eleventybillion other things it offers.
 
2017-11-03 04:19:12 PM  

SamFlagg: Mad_Radhu: Isn't she being culturally biased by asking Indian cinema to reflect western values?

It is exactly this kind of thing that makes me wonder.....not necessarily in a snarky way.

There seem to be two progressive ideas that are in conflict:

1.) People should be able to maintain their culture unaffected by Western Imperialism and influence.
2.) There are some real bullshiat things about Culture X that need to change to correspond with a Western Progressive mindset.

It's hard to agree to #2 without the passive implication that some cultural imperalism is ok because they're doing it wrong.


Any ideology or religion is going to have conflicts, that is one of the larger ones with progressivism.
 
2017-11-03 04:29:54 PM  

FLMountainMan: SamFlagg: Mad_Radhu: Isn't she being culturally biased by asking Indian cinema to reflect western values?

It is exactly this kind of thing that makes me wonder.....not necessarily in a snarky way.

There seem to be two progressive ideas that are in conflict:

1.) People should be able to maintain their culture unaffected by Western Imperialism and influence.
2.) There are some real bullshiat things about Culture X that need to change to correspond with a Western Progressive mindset.

It's hard to agree to #2 without the passive implication that some cultural imperalism is ok because they're doing it wrong.

Any ideology or religion is going to have conflicts, that is one of the larger ones with progressivism.


Which really goes to show that it's got to be pretty damn hard to be both an idealist and have an internally consistent set of views that don't have a whole bunch of exceptions, and allows hides that at a certain point the exceptions start becoming arbitrary.
 
2017-11-03 04:30:19 PM  

mcmnky: Newsflash: someone looking for something to be offended by, finds it.


You've summed up every column she has written for The Star.
 
2017-11-03 04:32:40 PM  

Mad_Radhu: Isn't she being culturally biased by asking Indian cinema to reflect western values?


Counter-point: cinema is a western institution.
 
2017-11-03 04:34:09 PM  
If I were in charge of programming at Netflix, I'd replace all the Bollywood movies with Russ Meyer movies, just to spite her.
 
2017-11-03 04:34:27 PM  
FTA: You guessed it. Two Black men and a Black woman, who don't sound Canadian. Immigrants then. Must be those immigrants.

So the actors in a Bollywood film didn't have convincing Canadian accents. The answer can only be racism! There's no chance whatsoever that the makers of the film have no idea what Canadians sound like, or couldn't find Canadian actors. Nope. Racism!

I mean, yes it does sound like there's some racism inherent in Bollywood movies but that was an inane example. Problem is Netflix banning said movies is just as Racist, essentially saying Indians don't deserve their art to be seen by others.

No easy answer here, except to hope people grow past their racism. The answer isn't to force our values down peoples' throats, it's to lead by example and show how great things can be when race doesn't matter.

Now if we can just get race to stop mattering here in the USA...
 
2017-11-03 04:36:21 PM  

Mad_Radhu: Isn't she being culturally biased by asking Indian cinema to reflect western values?


I thought she was asking Netflix not to play the movies, but to tell the truth, I didn't get very far in the article.
 
2017-11-03 04:36:42 PM  

This text is now purple: Mad_Radhu: Isn't she being culturally biased by asking Indian cinema to reflect western values?

Counter-point: cinema is a western institution.


So basically Bollywood is the ultimate act of cultural appropriation.

/To the Outrage Mobile!
 
2017-11-03 04:36:48 PM  

This text is now purple: Mad_Radhu: Isn't she being culturally biased by asking Indian cinema to reflect western values?

Counter-point: cinema is a western institution.


The farkers culturally appropriated it!
 
2017-11-03 04:37:45 PM  
Here's the musical number that got her all stabby. Seriously, if we listen to every single person who whines, we're going to be reduced to watching bowls of oatmeal tuen into cement...

Character Dheela (Full Song) Ready I Salman Khan I Zarine Khan
Youtube ruEQPQX90fI


Just chock full of this sharp-kneed beast...

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Oh, the humanity!!!
 
2017-11-03 04:40:24 PM  

Thong_of_Zardoz: So basically Bollywood is the ultimate act of cultural appropriation.


Bollywood is the clown shoes of world cinema. You can't take that shiat seriously.
 
2017-11-03 04:41:04 PM  

This text is now purple: Mad_Radhu: Isn't she being culturally biased by asking Indian cinema to reflect western values?

Counter-point: cinema is a western institution.


That's like saying automobiles is a western institution.
And it's not like cinema is a new thing in India.
 
2017-11-03 04:41:39 PM  
So this means Sunny Leone will be in everything?
 
2017-11-03 04:44:15 PM  

Mikey1969: Here's the musical number that got her all stabby. Seriously, if we listen to every single person who whines, we're going to be reduced to watching bowls of oatmeal tuen into cement...

[Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/ruEQPQX9​0fI]

Just chock full of this sharp-kneed beast...

[images.indianexpress.com image 400x600]


Oh, the humanity!!!


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2017-11-03 04:44:28 PM  
Kuch Be backwass , bahen chod
 
2017-11-03 04:47:07 PM  

Carth: Netflix licenses what people watch. You don't want Netflix to carry racist bollywood movies? Stop watching them.


That's not really the case of Netflix. Netflix is desperate to fill the empty holes in their ever shrinking streaming catalog of recent Hollywood movies.... And the cheapest replacements are Bollywood and anime apparently.
 
2017-11-03 04:52:28 PM  

SamFlagg: Mad_Radhu: Isn't she being culturally biased by asking Indian cinema to reflect western values?

It is exactly this kind of thing that makes me wonder.....not necessarily in a snarky way.

There seem to be two progressive ideas that are in conflict:

1.) People should be able to maintain their culture unaffected by Western Imperialism and influence.
2.) There are some real bullshiat things about Culture X that need to change to correspond with a Western Progressive mindset.

It's hard to agree to #2 without the passive implication that some cultural imperalism is ok because they're doing it wrong.


I'd say #1 isn't really a progressive value. Imperialism isn't getting people to like McDonald's. It's owning/exploiting them. Progressives are indeed generally fine with other cultural practices with the "but" being but only as long as they respect human rights. So you'll see progressives both defend Muslims in general from demonization (because they're fine with other cultures) but also working to, say, get women the right to birth control in Muslim countries where it is restricted (but not when they restrict human rights).
 
2017-11-03 04:55:27 PM  
Benny Lava...(WITH LYRICS) Hilarious
Youtube sdyC1BrQd6g
/oblig
 
2017-11-03 04:58:09 PM  

Thong_of_Zardoz: This text is now purple: Mad_Radhu: Isn't she being culturally biased by asking Indian cinema to reflect western values?

Counter-point: cinema is a western institution.

So basically Bollywood is the ultimate act of cultural appropriation.

/To the Outrage Mobile!


But on the other other hand, western institutions were imposed on India by the British.

img.fark.netView Full Size
 
2017-11-03 04:58:59 PM  
The real story here is that Indians are better dancers, actors and singers than African-Americans by a long country mile and they feel that their hegemony on US entertainment is seriously threatened by Bollywood

Bride & Prejudice dance scene - Naveen Andrews - HQ
Youtube PoLtHqS_LhA
 
2017-11-03 05:20:31 PM  
Now listen, world.

It has been my very limited experience that some of the most beautiful women to have ever walked this planet are women from India. That's my story. Embellished lies but still it's my story.
 
2017-11-03 05:37:50 PM  
GURDAS MAAN - BABE BHANGRA POUNDE NE - VILAYATAN
Youtube YlBvvGBEsPg


Let's let the elders dance for a while, thank you.
 
2017-11-03 05:39:01 PM  
Sounds like dude watches a little too much TV
 
2017-11-03 05:41:58 PM  
This thread needs some Indian Superman.
INDIAN SUPERMAN AND SPIDERWOMAN! :)
Youtube y0yeMUtxwCE
 
2017-11-03 05:43:08 PM  

SamFlagg: Mad_Radhu: Isn't she being culturally biased by asking Indian cinema to reflect western values?

It is exactly this kind of thing that makes me wonder.....not necessarily in a snarky way.

There seem to be two progressive ideas that are in conflict:

1.) People should be able to maintain their culture unaffected by Western Imperialism and influence.
2.) There are some real bullshiat things about Culture X that need to change to correspond with a Western Progressive mindset.

It's hard to agree to #2 without the passive implication that some cultural imperalism is ok because they're doing it wrong.


This is true. Progressives are often split between empowering those with the small voice, but often doing so either enforces western social mores on foreign media, or puts the progressive in a difficult position of defending a repressive society.

This woman was really outraged that Bollywood films are often sexist, homophobic, and racist, but this is typical of Bollywood. The opposite example is, off the top of my head, from Joe Sacco's graphic novel, Palestine. In the book, there is a scene where Sacco rails against the injustices that Israel has done to a particular character, while at the same time completely glossing over the fact that the character committed a misogynist "honor killing".

As a progressive, I've eschewed political correctness and taken the more Charlie Hebdo approach to these topics- Yes, you can make fun of cultures that are backwardly misogynist and racist, even if you look like a condescending westerner doing so, as long as your ridicule is pretty consistent when said idiocy comes from western sources. I genuinely think this is the paradigm most progressive Farkers take.

And finally, this person deserves to be slapped with a hand that just birthed a cow... Not for the point of view, but for being so farking dense for not knowing just how stupid and racist Bollywood films are. It's like turning on the hispanic channel and being shocked when you see so many beautiful curvy women and soccer games.
 
2017-11-03 05:46:15 PM  

uber humper: Sounds like dude watches a little too much TV


It's a Indian woman. I'm willing to bet, that she wouldn't touch someone of African descent with a 800' pole.
 
2017-11-03 05:59:23 PM  

Carth: Netflix licenses what people watch. You don't want Netflix to carry racist bollywood movies? Stop watching them.


That simply doesn't work with the "stop liking what I don't like" crowd. They've learned that their numbers are too low to have any real impact, so they take to the internet to raise support from others of their kind.

Their goal is to stir up controversy in other like minded people who more than likely have never been bothered by the issue, they just like getting on board the latest outrage train. The problem is, this approach works way more often than it should.
 
2017-11-03 06:00:13 PM  
Every Race
Youtube osaPrAZwWr4
 
2017-11-03 06:02:23 PM  

Click Click D'oh: Jesus, the author of that piece needs a good chode punch.  If you don't like something that Netflix offers, just watch one of the eleventybillion other things it offers.


It's not important that they not see it, it's that nobody else must be allowed to either.
 
2017-11-03 06:05:44 PM  

drjekel_mrhyde: uber humper: Sounds like dude watches a little too much TV

It's a Indian woman. I'm willing to bet, that she wouldn't touch someone of African descent with a 800' pole.


I wouldn't be surprise if she was Pakistani or Bangladeshi
 
2017-11-03 06:06:14 PM  

Fano: drjekel_mrhyde: uber humper: Sounds like dude watches a little too much TV

It's a Indian woman. I'm willing to bet, that she wouldn't touch someone of African descent with a 800' pole.

I wouldn't be surprise if she was Pakistani or Bangladeshi


Or more likely, ABCD
 
2017-11-03 06:10:10 PM  

SamFlagg: It is exactly this kind of thing that makes me wonder.....not necessarily in a snarky way.

There seem to be two progressive ideas that are in conflict:

1.) People should be able to maintain their culture unaffected by Western Imperialism and influence.
2.) There are some real bullshiat things about Culture X that need to change to correspond with a Western Progressive mindset.

It's hard to agree to #2 without the passive implication that some cultural imperalism is ok because they're doing it wrong.


There really isn't a conflict.  When they speak out against cultural imperialism it has to do with Western Cultures pushing racist or sexist or classist values.  But they are certainly not in favor of indigenous racism, sexism, and classism.

Even the ones that follow a kind of liberal prime directive (and holy shiat I did not expect to be the only feminist in an international affairs course as a CIS white male, to use the full intersectional lingo) still do not like the existence of things like rape culture, they just don't see it as their place to stop it.  They view imposing those values as too shallow, temporary, and ineffective.  They would rather support domestic efforts to end such oppression.

This is why feminists like Malala Yousafzai (and yes I had to look up her name, I am not woke enough not to) are so important in western liberal efforts because she represents a domestic movement toward a less... I am going to say, "barbaric" culture.
 
2017-11-03 06:13:25 PM  

SamFlagg: FLMountainMan: SamFlagg: Mad_Radhu: Isn't she being culturally biased by asking Indian cinema to reflect western values?

It is exactly this kind of thing that makes me wonder.....not necessarily in a snarky way.

There seem to be two progressive ideas that are in conflict:

1.) People should be able to maintain their culture unaffected by Western Imperialism and influence.
2.) There are some real bullshiat things about Culture X that need to change to correspond with a Western Progressive mindset.

It's hard to agree to #2 without the passive implication that some cultural imperalism is ok because they're doing it wrong.

Any ideology or religion is going to have conflicts, that is one of the larger ones with progressivism.

Which really goes to show that it's got to be pretty damn hard to be both an idealist and have an internally consistent set of views that don't have a whole bunch of exceptions, and allows hides that at a certain point the exceptions start becoming arbitrary.


Not really.  The original 1 and 2 are a false dichotomy.  It is an excessive simplification and ignores motivations on multiple levels.
 
2017-11-03 06:16:53 PM  
A big thanks for all insightful nuanced takes to my off the cuff only partially thought out probably lightly insensitive observation.
 
2017-11-03 06:20:31 PM  
For the ones who like outties...
Dhoom Again - Full Song (with Opening Credits) - Telugu Version - Dhoom:2
Youtube G2r0mVq6YD0
 
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