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2017-11-02 10:12:44 PM  
Nice.  Wish we had that healthcare without the wait.
 
2017-11-02 10:31:58 PM  
That's because Australia is nearly a civilized country.
 
2017-11-02 10:41:02 PM  
Ahhh...As much as I think the US system is farked. And I know the guy got the treated and ER visit for free.

Those charges are for medication. Cheep medication. You'd pay about the same price at a wal mart without health insurance in the US. 10 bucks for 10 Oxycodon, and the 13 dollar for 10 amoxicllian is higher than Publix/Walmart "4 dollars" for common antibiotics. (Citation)https://www.walmart.com/cp/​1078664

The last one is extra strength tylenol .

 posting the medication discharge price...doesn't help when you compair just those items to the US prices.
 
2017-11-02 10:48:44 PM  

optikeye: Ahhh...As much as I think the US system is farked. And I know the guy got the treated and ER visit for free.

Those charges are for medication. Cheep medication. You'd pay about the same price at a wal mart without health insurance in the US. 10 bucks for 10 Oxycodon, and the 13 dollar for 10 amoxicllian is higher than Publix/Walmart "4 dollars" for common antibiotics. (Citation)https://www.walmart.com/cp/1​078664

The last one is extra strength tylenol .

 posting the medication discharge price...doesn't help when you compair just those items to the US prices.


My take from the post was that that was /all/ that he paid for. It's likely AUD$ too, which makes it (I think) comparatively more expensive, but I think the point was that he didn't have to pay thousands for the hospital stay: just for the medication after discharge.
 
2017-11-02 11:02:05 PM  
This sounds great and all but the article totally glosses over the downside of living in Australia - INSECTS WILL LAY EGGS IN YOUR SCROTUM!
 
2017-11-02 11:22:59 PM  

dailygrinds: This sounds great and all but the article totally glosses over the downside of living in Australia - INSECTS WILL LAY EGGS IN YOUR SCROTUM!


Yes, but our healthcare system will treat that for free too.
 
2017-11-02 11:58:56 PM  

darkmythology: My take from the post was that that was /all/ that he paid for. It's likely AUD$ too, which makes it (I think) comparatively more expensive, but I think the point was that he didn't have to pay thousands for the hospital stay: just for the medication after discharge.


It's interesting: how long can the US sustain it's present system of health sort-of-care?

On one side you have powerful health companies and doctors lobbies protecting their interests, as well as libertarians who think it's immoral to tax rich people to look after the poor.

And on the other side you have steadily escalating costs, with fewer people able to afford insurance, so soon everyone will know personally someone bankrupted by a health issue.

And examples such as this imgur post demonstrate that it doesn't have to be that way.
 
2017-11-03 12:04:41 AM  

dailygrinds: This sounds great and all but the article totally glosses over the downside of living in Australia - INSECTS WILL LAY EGGS IN YOUR SCROTUM!


I'm sure that the healthcare system will remove your scrotum for free, then you don't have to worry. Your balls might dangle a bit more, but no insect worries.
 
2017-11-03 12:09:46 AM  

mjjt: darkmythology: My take from the post was that that was /all/ that he paid for. It's likely AUD$ too, which makes it (I think) comparatively more expensive, but I think the point was that he didn't have to pay thousands for the hospital stay: just for the medication after discharge.

It's interesting: how long can the US sustain it's present system of health sort-of-care?

On one side you have powerful health companies and doctors lobbies protecting their interests, as well as libertarians who think it's immoral to tax rich people to look after the poor.

And on the other side you have steadily escalating costs, with fewer people able to afford insurance, so soon everyone will know personally someone bankrupted by a health issue.

And examples such as this imgur post demonstrate that it doesn't have to be that way.


My company is raising the deductible again...$4k for the family plan.
 
2017-11-03 12:11:22 AM  

optikeye: Ahhh...As much as I think the US system is farked. And I know the guy got the treated and ER visit for free.

Those charges are for medication. Cheep medication. You'd pay about the same price at a wal mart without health insurance in the US. 10 bucks for 10 Oxycodon, and the 13 dollar for 10 amoxicllian is higher than Publix/Walmart "4 dollars" for common antibiotics. (Citation)https://www.walmart.com/cp/1​078664

The last one is extra strength tylenol .

 posting the medication discharge price...doesn't help when you compair just those items to the US prices.


Even comparing the prices directly, it's a pretty good deal. Remember, this was a hospital giving out the medicine. In the USA that tylenol would cost $15.
 
2017-11-03 12:13:47 AM  
I just did the maths, his medications come out to two pennies short of $21 Yankee bucks.
 
2017-11-03 12:20:37 AM  

optikeye: Ahhh...As much as I think the US system is farked. And I know the guy got the treated and ER visit for free.

Those charges are for medication. Cheep medication. You'd pay about the same price at a wal mart without health insurance in the US. 10 bucks for 10 Oxycodon, and the 13 dollar for 10 amoxicllian is higher than Publix/Walmart "4 dollars" for common antibiotics. (Citation)https://www.walmart.com/cp/1​078664

The last one is extra strength tylenol .

 posting the medication discharge price...doesn't help when you compair just those items to the US prices.


It cute that you think you'd pay Wal-Mart prices for an extra strength Tylenol at an American hospital.

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2017-11-03 12:24:51 AM  
What the rest of the world doesn't understand is that getting sick costs your insurance company profits, which cuts into shareholder profits, which is why you deserve to go into bankruptcy.
 
2017-11-03 12:27:40 AM  
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2017-11-03 12:29:53 AM  
Impossible.   I have it on the very best Fark authority that this cat would have died in the waiting room after 12 weeks of being scheduled for a biopsy because thats how long Socialism takes.

It was just like that time when I was a kid camping in Canada and stepped on a piece of glass.  My dad took me to the emergency room in Calgary where they cleaned the wound, put some stitches in it and sent us home.  It was horrible.
 
2017-11-03 12:31:35 AM  

LesterB: [img.fark.net image 510x246]


This is so sad.
Hey Donald I thought you were going to make america great again?
///Yes I know he was full of crap
///Knew it back in the 80s
///His 'policies' will make that number go up.
 
2017-11-03 12:33:03 AM  
It's as if a society with a Gini of 30 is a lot more equal than a society with a Gini of 45, which leads to having a functional public service sector.
 
2017-11-03 12:49:49 AM  
No doubt there are right-wingers in Australia complaining about who expensive that is
 
2017-11-03 01:04:51 AM  
I get it...but posting just the discount meds.
Which those aren't much more discounted than walmart USA.

Kinda water downs the major point....The Doctor's Visit.
Post that DRs visit stuff...not your drug store for basic scripts that cost about the same in the USA.
The point is the Doctor Visit...not the meds.
 
2017-11-03 01:11:08 AM  

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: No doubt there are right-wingers in Australia complaining about who expensive that is


Nah there is no argument in Aust and NZ similar to US. Universal health care has been accepted for generations. Nobody, anywhere,is suggesting the US example is worth copying.
 
2017-11-03 01:14:34 AM  

mjjt: It's interesting: how long can the US sustain it's present system of health sort-of-care?


Well the cops are doing their best to kill as many poor people as they can, and the proliferation of guns for everyone to get their hands on is doing its best to kill as many citizens as THAT plan can.

But your government's master plan to have ONLY the fattest, richest, oldest white people ever really needs the help of a prohibitively and outlandishly expensive healthcare system to really push that genocide over the edge!
 
2017-11-03 01:21:29 AM  

optikeye: I get it...but posting just the discount meds.
Which those aren't much more discounted than walmart USA.


those weren't really top-end meds, as has already been mentioned.

I just came out of 3 MONTHS in hospital here in New Zealand, ingesting all manner of interesting anti-biotics and painkillers and whatnot ... and upon release, the doc gave me a large list of drugs to pick up as scrips on the way home. All of the ones I'd been getting for free while in hospital were on there, and, a couple more.

No charge for the 3 months of hospital care, and then some physio near the end.

And when I fronted up to get the scrips filled, the usual highly subsidized amount of $4 or so per drug was waived, as I'd been picking up scrips fairly regularly throughout the year ... so as a "frequent flyer", no charge there either.

How many second mortgages would the average US citizen have to take out to pay for all THAT healthcare?
 
2017-11-03 01:31:00 AM  

optikeye: I get it...but posting just the discount meds.
Which those aren't much more discounted than walmart USA.

Kinda water downs the major point....The Doctor's Visit.
Post that DRs visit stuff...not your drug store for basic scripts that cost about the same in the USA.
The point is the Doctor Visit...not the meds.


The point is that the doctors visit and the surgery and several day stay in hospital cost him nothing and he literally only had to pay out-of-pocket for the discharge medication.

/also those are AUS $ prices, so divide by 1.3 to get US $
//I highly doubt that US hospitals are charging $1 or less per Oxycodone pill...
///In the US its also probably $4 per Tylenol and that receipt is $4 for 100 of them.
 
2017-11-03 01:52:49 AM  

Wolfling: dailygrinds: This sounds great and all but the article totally glosses over the downside of living in Australia - INSECTS WILL LAY EGGS IN YOUR SCROTUM!

Yes, but our healthcare system will treat that for free too.


I'm concerned for a place where scrotal insect infestations may have a department of specialists devoted to it.
 
2017-11-03 01:55:23 AM  

wejash: Wolfling: dailygrinds: This sounds great and all but the article totally glosses over the downside of living in Australia - INSECTS WILL LAY EGGS IN YOUR SCROTUM!

Yes, but our healthcare system will treat that for free too.

I'm concerned for a place where scrotal insect infestations may have a department of specialists devoted to it.


Instead of ER nurses and doctors at every US hospital who specialise in bullet and stab wounds?

I'll take the bug infestations.
 
2017-11-03 02:04:35 AM  

festus: optikeye: I get it...but posting just the discount meds.
Which those aren't much more discounted than walmart USA.

those weren't really top-end meds, as has already been mentioned.

I just came out of 3 MONTHS in hospital here in New Zealand, ingesting all manner of interesting anti-biotics and painkillers and whatnot ... and upon release, the doc gave me a large list of drugs to pick up as scrips on the way home. All of the ones I'd been getting for free while in hospital were on there, and, a couple more.

No charge for the 3 months of hospital care, and then some physio near the end.

And when I fronted up to get the scrips filled, the usual highly subsidized amount of $4 or so per drug was waived, as I'd been picking up scrips fairly regularly throughout the year ... so as a "frequent flyer", no charge there either.

How many second mortgages would the average US citizen have to take out to pay for all THAT healthcare?

You guys Already you guys have farken Middle Earth...and now...
with all the Fresh Air, Clean Water. What do you get?
And INFESTATION OF AMERICAN BILLIONAIRES using it as a lifeboat after they fark up the rest of the world like the Aliens in Independence Day...(....and your next)
   And FFS...is any of the Murdoch clan setting up escape pod farms there?.....feed them to the sheep. Heck...feed them all to the sheep.
 
2017-11-03 02:19:00 AM  

optikeye: I get it...but posting just the discount meds.
Which those aren't much more discounted than walmart USA.

Kinda water downs the major point....The Doctor's Visit.
Post that DRs visit stuff...not your drug store for basic scripts that cost about the same in the USA.
The point is the Doctor Visit...not the meds.


Did you not read the title? "This is the entirety of my expenses after 3 days in the hospital". It would be the same here in Canada - just provide your health plan number when signing in and the doctor / hospital bills go directly into the insurance system. The patient never sees them.

/offer not valid for dental stuff or eyeglasses
 
2017-11-03 02:20:57 AM  

festus: optikeye: I get it...but posting just the discount meds.
Which those aren't much more discounted than walmart USA.

those weren't really top-end meds, as has already been mentioned.

I just came out of 3 MONTHS in hospital here in New Zealand, ingesting all manner of interesting anti-biotics and painkillers and whatnot ... and upon release, the doc gave me a large list of drugs to pick up as scrips on the way home. All of the ones I'd been getting for free while in hospital were on there, and, a couple more.

No charge for the 3 months of hospital care, and then some physio near the end.

And when I fronted up to get the scrips filled, the usual highly subsidized amount of $4 or so per drug was waived, as I'd been picking up scrips fairly regularly throughout the year ... so as a "frequent flyer", no charge there either.

How many second mortgages would the average US citizen have to take out to pay for all THAT healthcare?


Just for your information, the interest payments alone for the first five years come to $222,000.

/ Everybody has three mortgages nowadays
 
2017-11-03 02:37:19 AM  

optikeye: festus: optikeye: I get it...but posting just the discount meds.
Which those aren't much more discounted than walmart USA.

those weren't really top-end meds, as has already been mentioned.

I just came out of 3 MONTHS in hospital here in New Zealand, ingesting all manner of interesting anti-biotics and painkillers and whatnot ... and upon release, the doc gave me a large list of drugs to pick up as scrips on the way home. All of the ones I'd been getting for free while in hospital were on there, and, a couple more.

No charge for the 3 months of hospital care, and then some physio near the end.

And when I fronted up to get the scrips filled, the usual highly subsidized amount of $4 or so per drug was waived, as I'd been picking up scrips fairly regularly throughout the year ... so as a "frequent flyer", no charge there either.

How many second mortgages would the average US citizen have to take out to pay for all THAT healthcare?
You guys Already you guys have farken Middle Earth...and now...
with all the Fresh Air, Clean Water. What do you get?
And INFESTATION OF AMERICAN BILLIONAIRES using it as a lifeboat after they fark up the rest of the world like the Aliens in Independence Day...(....and your next)
   And FFS...is any of the Murdoch clan setting up escape pod farms there?.....feed them to the sheep. Heck...feed them all to the sheep.


Interestingly, they made a really low budget horror movie a few years back called "Black Sheep". Yes, the sheep went all zombie and viral. It was pretty funny!

So we're ready for Murdoch, his mob, and any rich fat Yanks who think they can just show up and throw money around ...

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2017-11-03 03:47:38 AM  
According to Wikipedia, Australians pay a 2% tax that goes to fund their Medicare, and high earners pay 3% of their salary. In return that covers 75% of GP, 85% specialist, and 100% of public hospital costs.

In the US, Medicare (for 65+ citizens only and only covers 80% of all costs) is funded by a similar scheme - withholding at 2.9% total (employee + employer contributions) plus another 0.9% for high earners.

The big difference as far as I can tell, is that in the US it is a wage tax, so those who make their money from capital gains (i.e. the billionaires) are not contributing as much (not to mention the rest of the economy that could benefit from 39% tax instead of 15% tax income).
 
2017-11-03 04:02:45 AM  

festus: wejash: Wolfling: dailygrinds: This sounds great and all but the article totally glosses over the downside of living in Australia - INSECTS WILL LAY EGGS IN YOUR SCROTUM!

Yes, but our healthcare system will treat that for free too.

I'm concerned for a place where scrotal insect infestations may have a department of specialists devoted to it.

Instead of ER nurses and doctors at every US hospital who specialise in bullet and stab wounds?

I'll take the bug infestations.


Fun fact:

Our NATO allies send their Special Operations combat medics to American trauma centers, so they can get real-world experience treating gunshot wounds.
 
2017-11-03 04:12:42 AM  

Sgt Otter: festus: wejash: Wolfling: dailygrinds: This sounds great and all but the article totally glosses over the downside of living in Australia - INSECTS WILL LAY EGGS IN YOUR SCROTUM!

Yes, but our healthcare system will treat that for free too.

I'm concerned for a place where scrotal insect infestations may have a department of specialists devoted to it.

Instead of ER nurses and doctors at every US hospital who specialise in bullet and stab wounds?

I'll take the bug infestations.

Fun fact:

Our NATO allies send their Special Operations combat medics to American trauma centers, so they can get real-world experience treating gunshot wounds.


Ha that's wild!
 
2017-11-03 04:33:50 AM  
For those interested, this is from my spreadsheet documenting all the claims involving my 2014 cancer (3 years cancer free!!)

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2017-11-03 05:33:23 AM  
And how much is withheld from his paycheck each month?

It's probably a good deal, but nothing is free
 
2017-11-03 05:48:30 AM  

Cajnik: And how much is withheld from his paycheck each month?

It's probably a good deal, but nothing is free


Well, of course.

But this is a fine comparison of two ways to run a health care system; the American way being profit-motivated, where hospitals have billing departments and people are bankrupted for being sick. The Australian way being funded through general taxation so that every citizen has access to a decent level of care.

There's no reason that a developed country cannot have essential public services (roads, health care ... ) for all its citizens, funded through taxation.
 
2017-11-03 06:47:49 AM  

Gig103: For those interested, this is from my spreadsheet documenting all the claims involving my 2014 cancer (3 years cancer free!!)

[i.imgur.com image 374x494]


Did the other 80K + dollars just dry up and blow away?
 
2017-11-03 07:26:09 AM  
That's an invoice for medication, not the hospital stay.
 
2017-11-03 08:20:17 AM  
Yeah, but now he's probably contacted a case of hospital-borne capitalism-resistant socialism, so it's really not a great deal.
 
2017-11-03 08:21:20 AM  

mjjt: Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: No doubt there are right-wingers in Australia complaining about who expensive that is

Nah there is no argument in Aust and NZ similar to US. Universal health care has been accepted for generations. Nobody, anywhere,is suggesting the US example is worth copying.


...except for the British assholes who are in the process of dismantling the NHS...
 
2017-11-03 08:24:03 AM  

optikeye: Post that DRs visit stuff.


There is no "Dr visit stuff", that's the point. There is NO bill to post, you don't see any bill, there is no bill, you simply leave when you're done. There's nothing to take a photo of.
 
2017-11-03 08:35:48 AM  

Cajnik: And how much is withheld from his paycheck each month?

It's probably a good deal, but nothing is free


Less than is withheld in the US to pay for Medicare etc.

As Gig103 said upthread:

According to Wikipedia, Australians pay a 2% tax that goes to fund their Medicare, and high earners pay 3% of their salary. In return that covers 75% of GP, 85% specialist, and 100% of public hospital costs.

In the US, Medicare (for 65+ citizens only and only covers 80% of all costs) is funded by a similar scheme - withholding at 2.9% total (employee + employer contributions) plus another 0.9% for high earners.


The difference being that in Aus that is to pay for EVERYONE not just the poorest who cannot afford insurance.
 
2017-11-03 08:40:55 AM  

Cajnik: And how much is withheld from his paycheck each month?

It's probably a good deal, but nothing is free


Australia, and most other countries with universal, tax funded healthcare, spends fewer public funds per capita than the US.

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2017-11-03 08:48:25 AM  
panamax?

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take two and call me in the morning
 
2017-11-03 09:02:51 AM  

Dansker: Cajnik: And how much is withheld from his paycheck each month?

It's probably a good deal, but nothing is free

Australia, and most other countries with universal, tax funded healthcare, spends fewer public funds per capita than the US.

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Yeah, because the government creates a monosopny. Where one party negotiates for prices with all providers. It's total bullshiat that providers are beholden to a single consumer and must explain their prices ahead of time. How can a provider be expected to turn a reasonable profit under such conditions?
 
2017-11-03 09:28:01 AM  

Pinko_Commie: Less than is withheld in the US to pay for Medicare etc.

As Gig103 said upthread:

According to Wikipedia, Australians pay a 2% tax that goes to fund their Medicare, and high earners pay 3% of their salary. In return that covers 75% of GP, 85% specialist, and 100% of public hospital costs.

In the US, Medicare (for 65+ citizens only and only covers 80% of all costs) is funded by a similar scheme - withholding at 2.9% total (employee + employer contributions) plus another 0.9% for high earners.

The difference being that in Aus that is to pay for EVERYONE not just the poorest who cannot afford insurance.


I live in a country with universal health care. Doctor visit copay is set by the govt at $1.30usd and they are thinking about pulling that back to zero.

I pulled out my last pay stub - aside from the taxes, I have 7% for social insurance and 5% for health insurance. That 5% goes directly to the insurance company i chose to ensure everyone buys in (compulsory insurance model). That's aside of general taxes for roads and schools, etc.

So that's my point. Doctors visits are practically free on the spot, but I'm paying for it of course.
 
2017-11-03 09:50:57 AM  

darkmythology: My take from the post was that that was /all/ that he paid for.


He paid for the rest with various taxes (income, payroll, VAT, sales, etc.)

Stop saying he paid nothing.
 
2017-11-03 09:54:45 AM  

Rent Party: Impossible.   I have it on the very best Fark authority that this cat would have died in the waiting room after 12 weeks of being scheduled for a biopsy because thats how long Socialism takes.

It was just like that time when I was a kid camping in Canada and stepped on a piece of glass.  My dad took me to the emergency room in Calgary where they cleaned the wound, put some stitches in it and sent us home.  It was horrible.


Well, I live in Scandinavia, so I am not the authority on Socialism.

But it was a problem, there's waiting lists for certain procedures. So there was put a cap on them, if the hospital couldn't deal with your new artificial hip/whatever within a resonable time frame. You'd be sent to a private hospital on the governments dime.
 
2017-11-03 09:57:05 AM  
Isn't this the system that Trump praised and wanted for the US?  What about it D2S?  Someone should ask him about it.  Maybe share this on his Twitter account.
 
2017-11-03 10:02:06 AM  

Cajnik: And how much is withheld from his paycheck each month?

It's probably a good deal, but nothing is free


How much is your insurance?  And how much would you have to pay out of picket for a 3 ay stay in the hospital even with insurance?

(My premiums are over 2K/mo for my family even though company pays 3/4 of that...and a 3 day stay would still be in the high four digits, cost me over a grand OOP for the analysis leading up to a CPAP...not counting the machine itself.)

Single payer is the ONLY sustainable and viable economic model for health care.  Conservatives are 100% dead wrong when they say that free-market makes for better care.
 
2017-11-03 10:12:29 AM  
The sad thing is there is no cure for right wing ignorance, socialized medicine or not.
 
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