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(Yahoo)   RNC unveils "Kerryopoly," satirizing John Kerry's wealth   (story.news.yahoo.com) divider line 570
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2004-06-02 01:11:28 PM  
Good. If Hasbro knows about it (publicly) and has not sanctioned it, then they had either do so or they should get off Ghettopoly's ass.
 
2004-06-02 01:12:28 PM  
meh, pot, kettle, whatever. it seems even rich ppl have nothing better to do than point fingers and act like idiots.


and nanojath, thanks for that post.
 
2004-06-02 01:13:31 PM  
JohnnyC
I would realize that I was a SERVANT to the people and not their master and choose not to use the people as a crutch for my own agenda. A concept, I think, Bush has failed to realize at any point in his life.

No politician successful enough to become president would think this way. The ones that truly believe in service to country above all are rooted out early in the game. The remaining players are there because of the ruthless pursuit of an agenda.
 
2004-06-02 01:14:00 PM  
Modern Major General

Oh wow, is this like a game of "telephone"?

The part I notice that's already changed is the date, from the orginal 1983 to 1993.

Nice of the photographer to stand far enough back so that the captions under the picture couldn't be read.

Maybe you can get Matt Drudge to run this one too!
 
m00
2004-06-02 01:14:16 PM  
2004-06-02 01:05:06 PM poot_rootbeer

Oh, I'm sorry... you're right. It's just a coincidence that four senators and three presidents, countless judges, etc, etc were members of a secret club at Yale.
 
2004-06-02 01:15:55 PM  
Sloth_DC

It had nothing to do with undue influence.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

{deep breath}

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

{deep breath}

Phew!!! Anyway, asshat, try telling that to the people in front of Bush in line for the Texas Air National Guard who did far better on the entrance exams. I know of at least 1 soldier in Vietnam who was ahead of Bush who died. I'm not necessarily saying that this one individual was the person who Bush displaced by skipping ahead, but still, this guy should have been in the Guard before Bush.
 
2004-06-02 01:17:33 PM  
...Sorry about the asshat comment. People spewing "facts" upsets me.

/Apologies
 
2004-06-02 01:18:48 PM  
ArcadianRefugee

Heheh. Looks like the CEO of Hasbro is a Democrat.
 
2004-06-02 01:22:26 PM  
If anyone is still curious about Kerry's war record, all the documents are on his site. For example, here is John Kerry's request for swift boat duty in Vietnam (pdf).
 
2004-06-02 01:23:13 PM  
...Sorry about the asshat comment. People spewing "facts" upsets me.

I feel the same way, really. The legacy program existed, we know that. It's been stated that this was the program used to get Bush in, which is consistent with known policy. I haven't seen any real proof that anyone pushed to get Bush in outside this program - not to say they wouldn't have, but, really, there was no need. He qualified under the legacy program. Did he manipulate the system? Sure. But that's not the same as saying that he abused it.
 
2004-06-02 01:27:23 PM  
So Sloth, it's pretty much established that Bush is a coward. Are you of the opinion that Kerry is just a big of a coward, but couldn't worm his way out of Vietnam?

/not attacking, just trying to see your side of things.
 
2004-06-02 01:28:32 PM  
any bias is in your interpretation, not my analysis.

That cannot be I'm defect free
My mommy told me so!
(This sad cynic needs a clinic
In how to say d'oh.)

My tone of voice, my terms of choice
Officiousness belies
I look at language of harangue-age
Oft with cautious eye
 
2004-06-02 01:29:11 PM  
If anyone is still curious about Kerry's war record, all the documents are on his site.

Yeah, everything except his medical records, which were the ones being questioned. No, the cute little statement from his personal doc doesn't cut it.

For example, here is John Kerry's request for swift boat duty in Vietnam (pdf).

Which conveniently leaves out the fact that the mission for those swift boats changed radically after Kerry requested service on them, and that he skedaddled out of that just as soon as he could.

For Ifni's sake, drop the meaningless rhetoric. They're both asshats just from their records. If you'd stop trying to play the black-white game ya might notice that.
 
2004-06-02 01:32:24 PM  
Wow.

Maybe the rest of the World thinks Americans are stupid because every single one of you defends one of these lying assholes, or the other, without any regard for context or the facts behind your arguments.
 
2004-06-02 01:34:04 PM  
the haircut one is a lie. the source is washington times; the washington times source is the drudge report.
 
2004-06-02 01:34:50 PM  
Sloth_DC
Yeah, everything except his medical records, which were the ones being questioned. No, the cute little statement from his personal doc doesn't cut it.

Just like Bush's, except that with Bush, having been qualified under the Air Force's Human Reliablity Program, his medical records would make for a lot more interesting reading.

Believe me, Bush definitely does not want to go there.

I was HRP qualified myself so I know what I would be looking for.
 
2004-06-02 01:37:23 PM  
They're both asshats just from their records. If you'd stop trying to play the black-white game ya might notice that.

You're missing something.

One went. One didn't.

You can say that neither is admirable, but there is a world of difference between staying in Texas (or, rather, not staying in Texas) and going halfway across the world and putting your life in danger.
 
2004-06-02 01:39:02 PM  
the haircut one is a lie. the source is washington times; the washington times source is the drudge report.

They were saying that about Clinton a few years ago. I don't even know that thousand-dollar haircuts exist.
 
2004-06-02 01:40:50 PM  
I'm wondering how many people who defended Clinton in 92/96, are now accusing Bush of the same thing?

Personally, I'm consistent.
It didn't matter in either case.

Are you consistent or only do what your party bosses (BOTH) tell you to do?
 
2004-06-02 01:41:52 PM  
Sloth_DC

Yeah, everything except his medical records, which were the ones being questioned.


That's a lie. His military records were being questioned, too.

For Ifni's sake, drop the meaningless rhetoric.

Speak for yourself. Oh, Kerry is such a coward for receiving that third purple heart! Oh, he was such a chickenshiat for not refusing the award. Give me a break. That is the stupidest freeper talking point I have ever heard.

Btw, which Liberarian candidate do you like? I like Aaron Russo's platform but he looks like a sleezeball (music industry background) and he's not a very good speaker.
 
2004-06-02 01:42:13 PM  
I don't even know that thousand-dollar haircuts exist.

Pardon if this is offending:
900 was for happy ending
 
sp
2004-06-02 01:43:13 PM  
I love it. The GOP is finally throwing the class warfare thing back at the dems. Kerry and Kennedy don't give a damn about the poor and middle class. You don't see either of them redistributing their wealth. I'm not rich yet, probably upper middle class, but I'm not ashamed of my ambition or the wealth I've accumulated thus far. And when I am wealthy, I'll leave it to my sons and hope they add to it and leave it to their kids. I don't feel guilty for succeeding. Liberals seem to feel guilty for obtaining wealth, but instead of getting rid of some of that pesky cash they choose instead to take wealth from us evil Republicans.
 
2004-06-02 01:46:41 PM  
Modern Major General:
[image from horkulated.com too old to be available]

Should I post some pictures of Bush meeting with Vladimir Putin, former KGB Spymaster? Or would you like to see some pics of him with the sleazy Saudis he sold his soul to?

DEBUNKING REPUBLICAN SLIME HERE, WHO'S NEXT??
 
2004-06-02 01:47:00 PM  
McGovern 72

I'm wondering how many people who defended Clinton in 92/96, are now accusing Bush of the same thing?


Probably roughly the same number of people who were accusing Clinton, and are now defending bush for the same things?

/funny, both parties are pulling the same ole shiat
 
2004-06-02 01:47:22 PM  
So Sloth, it's pretty much established that Bush is a coward.

When was this established? It takes balls to fly fighter jets, just as it takes balls to go serve rather than take the final step of skedaddling out of the country. I don't think you can really call either man a coward for not wanting to be drafted and/or sent into the jungle as a grunt. A free society should be able to defend itself without a draft.
 
2004-06-02 01:49:12 PM  
" Kerry and Kennedy don't give a damn about the poor and middle class. You don't see either of them redistributing their wealth."

They're in favor of tax structures that are far more friendly to the middle/lower class than the current party in power.

Or are you actually going to argue that this is not true?
 
2004-06-02 01:50:51 PM  
McGovern 72

I'm wondering how many people who defended Clinton in 92/96, are now accusing Bush of the same thing?


It's the chickenhawkomy, stupid!
 
2004-06-02 01:53:00 PM  
pontechango

From one of your links:

You read that right. The press flack for the Bush Cartel liar of the month, Condoleezza Rice, did such a good job at handling the dissembling of our National Security Advisor, NBC figured she could do the same thing for them.

Okay the CNN thing was interesting - it didn't change my life, but it was interesting nontheless. But to try and tell me that NBC is leaning to the right? Shenanigans.

Look, you and I have agreed at least on one thing about our society - the two party system blows. Now if you take the fact that we have a two party system, then that means that the majority of the population belongs to one of those two parties. If someone is going to say that a network has a political lean because they hired someone with a political affiliation, then we have to start looking at countless cases of reporters and media talking heads who have been involved with some political facet prior to their career in the media. The point is, if the woman in question worked for the Clinton administration, your left-leaning website wouldn't carry the story - and neither would any other news outlet, because it's not news.
 
2004-06-02 01:53:22 PM  
When was this established? It takes balls to fly fighter jets, just as it takes balls to go serve rather than take the final step of skedaddling out of the country. I don't think you can really call either man a coward for not wanting to be drafted and/or sent into the jungle as a grunt. A free society should be able to defend itself without a draft.

So there we have it

It's all about Bush's balls.

(I'm trying to keep a straight face, really I am)
 
2004-06-02 01:56:02 PM  
It's all about Bush's balls.

And Kerry's. Se
 
2004-06-02 01:56:55 PM  
KyngNothing

Are you consistent or only do what your party bosses (BOTH) tell you to do?

I meant it both ways.
 
2004-06-02 01:59:05 PM  
adrosal

As far as I'm concerned, this is the most damning and relevant image.

Bush and his favorite traitor, Ahmed Chalabi.

[image from thingsburnup.com too old to be available]
 
sp
2004-06-02 01:59:29 PM  
They don't care about the middle/lower class. Their tax structures would not be friendlier. They might look all touchy-feely soak the rich help the poor on the surface, but in the big picture the middle/lower class would not be better off. If you soak the rich and give cuts to the middle/poor, the economy would suffer and the middle/poor would spend their money on higher priced goods. It's more friendly to cut everyone's(everyone who pays taxes) taxes like this party is doing.
 
2004-06-02 02:01:39 PM  
pontechango

Alex is a pretty girl, and I tried to read the whole story but it got a little boring eventually.

One thing that caught my eye was this:
"I called the senators office the week I got back and was invited to a fund-raiser in New York later that month. His assistant assured me that the $2,000 ticket would be comped"

That is almost assuredly a violation of campaign finance laws unless it was a Kerry fundraiser in which case it is just a free ticket. (Does a free ticket to a $2000 fundraiser have tax consequences. Brain freeze.)

Anyways, you can be assured that the Republican dirty tricks department will be looking to see what fund raiser took place.
 
2004-06-02 02:01:52 PM  
pontechango

Did you see that Iran has admitted they had "a relationship" with Chalabi, and there are claims he leaked information about US code-breaking to them?
 
2004-06-02 02:02:37 PM  
Kerry and Kennedy don't give a damn about the poor and middle class. You don't see either of them redistributing their wealth."

They're in favor of tax structures that are far more friendly to the middle/lower class than the current party in power.


What, you mean Kerry wants to LOWER the 15% tax he is paying already?

Eat the rich. Kill kill kill kill kill the poor.
 
2004-06-02 02:03:10 PM  
Oooh, let's respond by introducing a game called "Bushopoly" where no matter what you roll on the dice, your father just moves your piece back and forth between "Free Parking" and "Park Place".
 
2004-06-02 02:18:57 PM  
Sloth_DC
It's all about Bush's balls.

And Kerry's. Se


Nope, not exactly.

People who have been in situations where somebody on the other side is doing their dead level best to kill them and manage to survive don't feel any need to continue to test themselves and prove to others how big a set they have.

It tends to be those who never were tested who obsess over such things, so it really is all about Bush's balls.
 
2004-06-02 02:22:52 PM  
McGovern 72

Alex is a pretty girl, and I tried to read the whole story but it got a little boring eventually.


It gets good at the end. Stick with it.


That is almost assuredly a violation of campaign finance laws unless it was a Kerry fundraiser in which case it is just a free ticket.

It was just a free ticket. But I know what you're getting at and I agree.
 
2004-06-02 02:23:09 PM  
MMG,

Yeah, I bet the communists and GOP never produced propaganda about Vietnam.

For instance, your quoted caption conveniently leaves out the fact that he was on a congressional/veteran trip, as the actual quote from the caption (suprisingly included on kerrylied.com):

"Mr. Do Muoi, Secretary General of the Vietnamese Communist Party met with Congressman and Veterans Delegation in Vietnam (July 15-18, 1993)."

The kerrylied.com article is filled with such propaganda as implying vietnam war protesters were guilty of treason:

"Senator Kerry may argue today that his anti-war protests did not render support to the enemy in time of war and that his activities did not violate the definition of treason given in Article III, Section 3, of the US Constitution. This exhibit paying tribute to Kerry in the War Protestors Hall of the War Remnants Museum in Ho Chi Minh City tells a very different story. The Vietnamese communists clearly feel that the American anti-war protestors were a very important force in undermining support in the United States for American war efforts, a force that contributed materially to ultimate communist victory in 1975."

I never thought I'd see the day the GOP would recycle communist propaganda to produce their own.
 
2004-06-02 02:24:50 PM  
[image from horkulated.com too old to be available]

(click the image for google, then read some of the articles to see the blatant hypocrisy on parade here)

I love it. When Republicans accuse Kerry of being "too rich," it means they are completely out of ideas. It's just laughable. We're truly seeing the last days of the Bush Administration, folks. Get used to saying PRESIDENT KERRY, you rightwing nutjobs.
 
2004-06-02 02:27:02 PM  
It's all about Bush's balls.

Damn, I got prematurely posted, then couldn't reconnect, when I first tried to respond to this. Now, as I was saying, somebody made the comment that Bush is a confirmed coward. Wrong. Cowards don't fly jet fighters. Likewise, Kerry is not a coward, because he eventually did go serve rather than flee the country, and served at least reasonably well. Neither one fits the classic model of draft-dodger, just as neither one fits the classic model of war hero. For both, it was not their war, and did not one bit more than was required of them with regard to it. I don't blame either one for their actions, and I can't hold either one up as especially praiseworthy. If Bush had gotten turned down for the Guard, then we could compare his reaction to Kerry's getting turned down for a post-post-graduate deferment. He didn't, so you're comparing apples-to-oranges. Which, actually, is easier to do than to compare these two backgrounds: One is red of irregularly shaped, while the other is orange and round.
 
2004-06-02 02:29:10 PM  
adrosol,

I take issue with you putting the Sami Al-Arian picture up there. Dr. Al-Arian is the victim of a witch hunt, and if you've paid any attention to his case you'd see that. See also "Guilt by Association". CNN titled an article about his arrest "Feds: Professor by day, terror fund raiser by night". Well, my sister was in his office almost every evening for 2 years, so I think she'd have noticed if he was raising money for Islamic Jihad. She's only had good things to say about him.

You know, Dr. Al-Arian used to be a Bush booster. Somehow I don't think he's going to be convincing anyone to vote for him this time around. Or do the terrorists want us to vote for Bush?
 
2004-06-02 02:32:56 PM  
barjockey

Look, you and I have agreed at least on one thing about our society - the two party system blows.


Agreed. Instant run off voting might help.


The point is, if the woman in question worked for the Clinton administration, your left-leaning website wouldn't carry the story - and neither would any other news outlet, because it's not news.

I don't know about that. I follow a lot of leftist media analysis sites and they were pretty critical of Clinton, too. If you're curious, cursor.org is my personal favorite. It should be clear that the Republicans are getting so much criticism because they are the ones who are currently in power.
 
2004-06-02 02:37:54 PM  
2004-06-02 12:16:14 PM Sloth_DC

I haven't seen one cite to verify the claims you make. Can you back up any of the purported facts you state, or are these things you just know?
 
2004-06-02 02:41:56 PM  
The veteran Kerry allegedly flipped off was the lunatic Ted Sampley.

This is the same nutcase who claims John McCain is a Manchurian Candidate-style Communist agent who was brainwashed as a POW.

Ted Sampley is basically a ghoulish parasite, shaking down widows and veterans with a new twist on the old Spanish Prisoner con. He claims to have concete evidence of US POWs who are still alive being held in the People's Republic of Vietnam.

Of course, he just needs a few more donations (his favorite target being the families of MIA servicemembers who haven't given up hope) to bribe a Vietnamese General here, to pay for satellite photos there, etc.

McCain, who has been called "The Manchurian Candidate" by Sampley, said: "I consider him a fraud who preys on the hopes of family members of missing servicemen for his own profit. He is dishonorable, an enemy of the truth, and despite his claims, he does not speak for or represent the views of all but a few veterans."
 
2004-06-02 02:44:27 PM  
Sgt Otter

Where are the links where you obtained this information?
 
2004-06-02 02:45:17 PM  
pontechango

Can't the leader of the free world afford a better anti-perspirant?
 
2004-06-02 02:45:48 PM  
oh, I almost forgot:

[image from horkulated.com too old to be available]
 
2004-06-02 02:47:14 PM  
Sloth_DC

I thought you might have, so I waited, but figured you had gotten tired of waiting yourself, so I went ahead and responded.

If Bush had gotten turned down for the Guard, then we could compare his reaction to Kerry's getting turned down for a post-post-graduate deferment. He didn't, so you're comparing apples-to-oranges.

The Los Angeles Times found a similar bending of the rules 26 years later, Phillips writes. George W. didn't qualify for either a direct commission or flight training, but he received both when he jumped several waiting lists for a coveted spot in the Texas Air National Guard.

Bush senior was a member of Congress at the time, and, according to Phillips, had a friend speak to Texas Lt. Gov. Ben Barnes about young George. Barnes in turn contacted the commander of the Texas Air National Guard, who greased the way. Direct commissions were generally reserved for doctors because the military needed flight surgeons, and expensive flight instruction was not normally given to somebody like Bush, who didn't score well on the aptitude test for pilots and who had shown no professional commitment to flying. According to Phillips, it was arranged for Bush to train on F-102 fighters, dated aircraft being phased out of serviceadded insurance that Bush would not go to Vietnam.

In fairness, Bush has been candid about why he enlisted in the Air National Guard. Like many young men of his generation, he wanted to avoid Vietnam. He told one reporter, "I was not prepared to shoot my eardrum out with a shotgun in order to get a deferment. Nor was I willing to go to Canada. So I chose to better myself by learning how to fly airplanes."


If Kerry had served his entire time in theater on the USS Gridley, patroling in the South China Sea, then perhaps you might have a point. If Kerry had had Cheney's connections, then he might have gotten that post-post-graduate deferment.

So what are we left with? Bush used connections to avoid Vietnam. Cheney used connections to avoid Vietnam. Kerry went to Vietnam, and then volunteered for more hazardous duty after his best friend was killed in Vietnam.

I've never ever said that Bush was a confirmed coward, nor am I saying that you ever said that I did. I still say this is about Bush's balls, and that much conservative support for what his administration is doing today in the world is about just that: Bush's balls.
 
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