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2017-10-22 10:24:26 AM  
I won't let my kids play football. There are plenty of other sports they can play that are healthier, that don't give them an attitude problem, and that give them a better opportunity to actually participate.
 
2017-10-22 10:28:53 AM  
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2017-10-22 11:23:02 AM  
If it hasn't already, football is going to become a sport played by the children of the stupid and the poor.  On top of CTE, 15 or so high school kids get killed playing football every year.  Why wouldn't I sign my kid up for soccer instead?  And I farking hate soccer
 
2017-10-22 12:46:28 PM  
Yeah, hard no from me. I'm actually surprised when I see a young kid in football pads. I'll take the occasional twisted ankle from soccer/basketball over CTE. Thanks.
 
2017-10-22 12:54:39 PM  
The only form of football which should ever be played is flag football. But that won't fly in America because 90% of the reason people watch football, including youth and HS football, is to watch the violence and hope for serious injuries. Same reason NASCAR's rating plummeted when they made the cars safer. Americans love bloodsport, and are not happy unless they are watching people die.
 
2017-10-22 12:55:24 PM  

Bowen: Yeah, hard no from me. I'm actually surprised when I see a young kid in football pads. I'll take the occasional twisted ankle from soccer/basketball over CTE. Thanks.


Soccer has a CTE problem as well.  Turns out hitting a hard ball with your head over and over isn't all that great for it.  The AYSO youth league I used to ref for banned heading for kids under 13 and restricted goalies punting
 
2017-10-22 01:06:47 PM  
How will our children learn the warrior's code, then
 
2017-10-22 01:15:49 PM  

Lost Thought 00: The only form of football which should ever be played is flag football. But that won't fly in America because 90% of the reason people watch football, including youth and HS football, is to watch the violence and hope for serious injuries. Same reason NASCAR's rating plummeted when they made the cars safer. Americans love bloodsport, and are not happy unless they are watching people die.


Flag football is actually worse at the youth level. They are  constantly slamming their heads together.
 
2017-10-22 01:25:03 PM  
If the NFL doesn't pay for a real minor league soon the inevitable death of football as we know it will come in a few years instead of a few decades.

I'm surprised we haven't already seen some D1 programs that don't get big money (or even profits) from TV and home games drop football.
 
2017-10-22 01:26:38 PM  

Mr. Coffee Nerves: If the NFL doesn't pay for a real minor league soon the inevitable death of football as we know it will come in a few years instead of a few decades.

I'm surprised we haven't already seen some D1 programs that don't get big money (or even profits) from TV and home games drop football.


Well UAB tried to drop their program, but the students and alumni got pissy about it.  And I think the alumni spotted the school a few million to keep it going.
 
2017-10-22 01:27:34 PM  
There is no point to youth tackle football.  Absolutely no point.

csb

A guy I grew up playing soccer with first picked up a football his senior year of high school (as a WR).  He got a full d1 ride, ended up being invited to a couple NFL training camps after college, and had a pretty good arena football career through his late 20s.  He started football when he was 17.

There is no point to youth tackle football.  If you're an athlete, you can pick it up as a teenager and succeed.
 
2017-10-22 01:29:01 PM  
Just make tackle football proscribed for under high school....or even under 18 years old. Though that may significantly increase injury rates at the college level
 
2017-10-22 01:30:28 PM  

johnny_vegas: Just make tackle football proscribed for under high school....or even under 18 years old. Though that may significantly increase injury rates at the college level


Make the youth play rugby instead
 
2017-10-22 01:39:56 PM  

Argyle82: There is no point to youth tackle football.  Absolutely no point.

csb

A guy I grew up playing soccer with first picked up a football his senior year of high school (as a WR).  He got a full d1 ride, ended up being invited to a couple NFL training camps after college, and had a pretty good arena football career through his late 20s.  He started football when he was 17.

There is no point to youth tackle football.  If you're an athlete, you can pick it up as a teenager and succeed.


Maybe if he had played it for a few more years as a kid he wouldn't have washed out in arena league?
 
2017-10-22 01:40:39 PM  
BTW, this is what's happening to the NFL ratings and it started before this year.
 
2017-10-22 01:41:57 PM  

Naido: If it hasn't already, football is going to become a sport played by the children of the stupid and the poor.  On top of CTE, 15 or so high school kids get killed playing football every year.  Why wouldn't I sign my kid up for soccer instead?  And I farking hate soccer


I think this is dead on.   Most of the parents I know who have kids playing football fit your description.  The rich kids play soccer and do cross country.
 
2017-10-22 01:48:18 PM  
The only way my kid plays football is if he makes it to 8th grade and it becomes apparent that he's too stupid for community college.
 
2017-10-22 02:01:43 PM  

SoupGuru: I won't let my kids play football. There are plenty of other sports they can play that are healthier, that don't give them an attitude problem, and that give them a better opportunity to actually participate.


It's a gateway sport to bullying, racism, sexism, rape culture, and organized crime.
 
2017-10-22 02:04:47 PM  
I've told my son he can do any sport or activity he wants, except for football.

Sure, you get injuries in any sport. But the risks in football are just too great to be acceptable, given what we know about head injuries and CTE.
 
2017-10-22 02:26:05 PM  
I'm raising my child to abide by the Warrior Code. You guys just wouldn't understand.

/she's 6 and on the spectrum
//noncompetitive gymnastics and swimming keeps us busy for now
 
2017-10-22 02:51:04 PM  

Naido: If it hasn't already, football is going to become a sport played by the children of the stupid and the poor.


Be careful.  To some people those are code words for "minorities".
/ See any thread about who enlists in the military.  Eventually someone will play the race card.
// I'm not saying the race card isn't justified.
/// third slashie is in the concussion protocol.
 
2017-10-22 02:51:31 PM  

kudayta: Mr. Coffee Nerves: If the NFL doesn't pay for a real minor league soon the inevitable death of football as we know it will come in a few years instead of a few decades.

I'm surprised we haven't already seen some D1 programs that don't get big money (or even profits) from TV and home games drop football.

Well UAB tried to drop their program, but the students and alumni got pissy about it.  And I think the alumni spotted the school a few million to keep it going.


UAB's program got shredded because the board of trustees are Bama assholes who couldn't stand supporting another program.
 
2017-10-22 02:58:17 PM  

The Googles Do Nothing: Naido: If it hasn't already, football is going to become a sport played by the children of the stupid and the poor.  On top of CTE, 15 or so high school kids get killed playing football every year.  Why wouldn't I sign my kid up for soccer instead?  And I farking hate soccer

I think this is dead on.   Most of the parents I know who have kids playing football fit your description.  The rich kids play soccer and do cross country.


I live in a wealthy area with many wealthy towns and they all have football teams with plenty of players at all levels.
 
2017-10-22 03:03:42 PM  

DRTFA: Naido: If it hasn't already, football is going to become a sport played by the children of the stupid and the poor.

Be careful.  To some people those are code words for "minorities".
/ See any thread about who enlists in the military.  Eventually someone will play the race card.
// I'm not saying the race card isn't justified.
/// third slashie is in the concussion protocol.


I totally understand this response, but I live in the south, where plenty of white folks love college football and would love their kids to play it someday.  They also think it breeds toughness.  I think most smart parents these days prioritize, in one way or another, regardless of ethnicity, making sure their kids aren't brain damaged.
 
2017-10-22 03:05:51 PM  

Debeo Summa Credo: The Googles Do Nothing: Naido: If it hasn't already, football is going to become a sport played by the children of the stupid and the poor.  On top of CTE, 15 or so high school kids get killed playing football every year.  Why wouldn't I sign my kid up for soccer instead?  And I farking hate soccer

I think this is dead on.   Most of the parents I know who have kids playing football fit your description.  The rich kids play soccer and do cross country.

I live in a wealthy area with many wealthy towns and they all have football teams with plenty of players at all levels.


Hence, the stupid and the poor.  The world offers plenty of examples of stupid wealthy people
 
2017-10-22 03:15:49 PM  

Naido: Debeo Summa Credo: The Googles Do Nothing: Naido: If it hasn't already, football is going to become a sport played by the children of the stupid and the poor.  On top of CTE, 15 or so high school kids get killed playing football every year.  Why wouldn't I sign my kid up for soccer instead?  And I farking hate soccer

I think this is dead on.   Most of the parents I know who have kids playing football fit your description.  The rich kids play soccer and do cross country.

I live in a wealthy area with many wealthy towns and they all have football teams with plenty of players at all levels.

Hence, the stupid and the poor.  The world offers plenty of examples of stupid wealthy people


Stoplikingwhatidontlike.jpg
 
2017-10-22 03:21:34 PM  

UNC_Samurai: kudayta: Mr. Coffee Nerves: If the NFL doesn't pay for a real minor league soon the inevitable death of football as we know it will come in a few years instead of a few decades.

I'm surprised we haven't already seen some D1 programs that don't get big money (or even profits) from TV and home games drop football.

Well UAB tried to drop their program, but the students and alumni got pissy about it.  And I think the alumni spotted the school a few million to keep it going.

UAB's program got shredded because the board of trustees are Bama assholes who couldn't stand supporting another program.


Ah, I didn't know there was political biatchslapping going on with regards to that.  Thanks.
 
2017-10-22 03:32:45 PM  
If it was a sport and had a ball my son played it (cue the inevitable jokes).  He did soccer (his favorite for years but he just burned out and quit), baseball, basketball and football.  He started with flag football and loved it and then played tackle football in 7th and 8th grade.  At the end of the 8th grade season he just said "I am done" after about a 1/3rd of the team was out due to injury for the playoff game, with most of the kids having concussions.

His reason?  "I like my brain"
 
2017-10-22 04:07:42 PM  

Glockenspiel Hero: Bowen: Yeah, hard no from me. I'm actually surprised when I see a young kid in football pads. I'll take the occasional twisted ankle from soccer/basketball over CTE. Thanks.

Soccer has a CTE problem as well.  Turns out hitting a hard ball with your head over and over isn't all that great for it.  The AYSO youth league I used to ref for banned heading for kids under 13 and restricted goalies punting


Pretty much every where else in the world bans touching the ball with your head until age 17. (I'm sure the precise age varies)

It's treated the same as a hand-ball in most non-US youth leagues.
 
2017-10-22 04:53:51 PM  

Glockenspiel Hero: Soccer has a CTE problem as well.  Turns out hitting a hard ball with your head over and over isn't all that great for it.


There's a difference between "you can get CTE from playing the sport" and "if you play the sport professionally, you'll get CTE."
 
2017-10-22 04:56:15 PM  

Argyle82: There is no point to youth tackle football.  Absolutely no point.

csb

A guy I grew up playing soccer with first picked up a football his senior year of high school (as a WR).  He got a full d1 ride, ended up being invited to a couple NFL training camps after college, and had a pretty good arena football career through his late 20s.  He started football when he was 17.

There is no point to youth tackle football.  If you're an athlete, you can pick it up as a teenager and succeed.


Raul?
 
2017-10-22 04:59:40 PM  
And no, the guy he's talking about wouldn't have made the NFL, he's short and Latin. Those dudes don't get a look without world-class speed.

/hell of an Arena player, though, at least until his knee blew out.
//it's sad he didn't get to play in that playoff run to the ArenaBowl
 
2017-10-22 05:30:04 PM  

jjmartin: Glockenspiel Hero: Bowen: Yeah, hard no from me. I'm actually surprised when I see a young kid in football pads. I'll take the occasional twisted ankle from soccer/basketball over CTE. Thanks.

Soccer has a CTE problem as well.  Turns out hitting a hard ball with your head over and over isn't all that great for it.  The AYSO youth league I used to ref for banned heading for kids under 13 and restricted goalies punting

Pretty much every where else in the world bans touching the ball with your head until age 17. (I'm sure the precise age varies)

It's treated the same as a hand-ball in most non-US youth leagues.


Heading isn't allowed in our league until high school. My oldest is 7. I figure I'll worry about it later.
 
2017-10-22 05:49:02 PM  

ElwoodCuse: How will our children learn the warrior's code, then


They can follow the teachings of Kahless like everyone else.
 
2017-10-22 05:51:50 PM  
" I also heard from a lot of people who were interested in the very public spat between the NFL and President Trump, and how this might influence future participation rates. (Their concern was that some parents may keep their kids out of football if the sport becomes too politicized.)"

What a ridiculous reason to not play a sport.
 
2017-10-22 06:10:54 PM  
My nephew is a high school junior and a D1 prospect at quarterback. He's been playing tackle football since he was 10. His dad, my brother, is highly educated and knows all the dangers. His playing football worries me. My nephew also is very smart. He's been on visits to Northwestern, and will do very well no matter what he does.

I don't have to make this decision because my son doesn't want to play football. He ran cross country this year, and that's fine by me.
 
2017-10-22 06:56:29 PM  
Going by most of these responses most of you must have played football too given the brain dead responses. Some cte hit too close to home? Football is just as safe as walking down the street. Every pot head wants weed legalized which has been PROVEN to affect your brain. My comparison an athletic sport such as football is dwarfed in brain damages.
 
2017-10-22 07:04:37 PM  

IAmRight: Argyle82: There is no point to youth tackle football.  Absolutely no point.

csb

A guy I grew up playing soccer with first picked up a football his senior year of high school (as a WR).  He got a full d1 ride, ended up being invited to a couple NFL training camps after college, and had a pretty good arena football career through his late 20s.  He started football when he was 17.

There is no point to youth tackle football.  If you're an athlete, you can pick it up as a teenager and succeed.

Raul?


Yep
 
2017-10-22 07:04:57 PM  

IAmRight: And no, the guy he's talking about wouldn't have made the NFL, he's short and Latin. Those dudes don't get a look without world-class speed.

/hell of an Arena player, though, at least until his knee blew out.
//it's sad he didn't get to play in that playoff run to the ArenaBowl


And yep.
 
2017-10-22 07:20:20 PM  

mikechoiselat: Going by most of these responses most of you must have played football too given the brain dead responses. Some cte hit too close to home? Football is just as safe as walking down the street. Every pot head wants weed legalized which has been PROVEN to affect your brain. My comparison an athletic sport such as football is dwarfed in brain damages.


Wow Roger Goodell's wife is on Fark too
 
2017-10-22 07:27:21 PM  

NASAM: Lost Thought 00: The only form of football which should ever be played is flag football. But that won't fly in America because 90% of the reason people watch football, including youth and HS football, is to watch the violence and hope for serious injuries. Same reason NASCAR's rating plummeted when they made the cars safer. Americans love bloodsport, and are not happy unless they are watching people die.

Flag football is actually worse at the youth level. They are  constantly slamming their heads together.


Have you seen how blocking works in tackle football?
 
2017-10-22 07:28:58 PM  

Argyle82: There is no point to youth tackle football.  Absolutely no point.

csb

A guy I grew up playing soccer with first picked up a football his senior year of high school (as a WR).  He got a full d1 ride, ended up being invited to a couple NFL training camps after college, and had a pretty good arena football career through his late 20s.  He started football when he was 17.

There is no point to youth tackle football.  If you're an athlete, you can pick it up as a teenager and succeed.


Totally agree. There's no excuse for tackle football before 14 for sure, probably 16. Give the kids until they're old enough to make a decision on their own.
 
2017-10-22 07:30:04 PM  

harleyquinnical: johnny_vegas: Just make tackle football proscribed for under high school....or even under 18 years old. Though that may significantly increase injury rates at the college level

Make the youth play rugby instead


You know rugby has CTE and concussion rates similar to football, right? Plus a higher rate of catastrophic injury.
 
2017-10-22 07:34:41 PM  

UNC_Samurai: kudayta: Mr. Coffee Nerves: If the NFL doesn't pay for a real minor league soon the inevitable death of football as we know it will come in a few years instead of a few decades.

I'm surprised we haven't already seen some D1 programs that don't get big money (or even profits) from TV and home games drop football.

Well UAB tried to drop their program, but the students and alumni got pissy about it.  And I think the alumni spotted the school a few million to keep it going.

UAB's program got shredded because the board of trustees are Bama assholes who couldn't stand supporting another program.


From your link:

In 2011, St. John implied publicly that UAB shouldn't have athletics. St. John and others feel the medical school should be UAB's focus, not football. In the state of Alabama.

Oh, the horrors!!
 
2017-10-22 07:35:59 PM  

Debeo Summa Credo: Naido: Debeo Summa Credo: The Googles Do Nothing: Naido: If it hasn't already, football is going to become a sport played by the children of the stupid and the poor.  On top of CTE, 15 or so high school kids get killed playing football every year.  Why wouldn't I sign my kid up for soccer instead?  And I farking hate soccer

I think this is dead on.   Most of the parents I know who have kids playing football fit your description.  The rich kids play soccer and do cross country.

I live in a wealthy area with many wealthy towns and they all have football teams with plenty of players at all levels.

Hence, the stupid and the poor.  The world offers plenty of examples of stupid wealthy people

Stoplikingwhatidontlike.jpg


When it's brain injured children? Yeah. Stop liking that.
 
2017-10-22 07:37:20 PM  

jjmartin: Glockenspiel Hero: Bowen: Yeah, hard no from me. I'm actually surprised when I see a young kid in football pads. I'll take the occasional twisted ankle from soccer/basketball over CTE. Thanks.

Soccer has a CTE problem as well.  Turns out hitting a hard ball with your head over and over isn't all that great for it.  The AYSO youth league I used to ref for banned heading for kids under 13 and restricted goalies punting

Pretty much every where else in the world bans touching the ball with your head until age 17. (I'm sure the precise age varies)

It's treated the same as a hand-ball in most non-US youth leagues.


I have a lot of trouble believing that.
 
2017-10-22 07:46:28 PM  

meanmutton: UNC_Samurai: kudayta: Mr. Coffee Nerves: If the NFL doesn't pay for a real minor league soon the inevitable death of football as we know it will come in a few years instead of a few decades.

I'm surprised we haven't already seen some D1 programs that don't get big money (or even profits) from TV and home games drop football.

Well UAB tried to drop their program, but the students and alumni got pissy about it.  And I think the alumni spotted the school a few million to keep it going.

UAB's program got shredded because the board of trustees are Bama assholes who couldn't stand supporting another program.

From your link:

In 2011, St. John implied publicly that UAB shouldn't have athletics. St. John and others feel the medical school should be UAB's focus, not football. In the state of Alabama.

Oh, the horrors!!


If you think St John, a UA alum with ties to Bear Bryant, Jr's bank, was saying that as anything other than a smokescreen, I have some oceanfront property in Kansas to sell you.
 
2017-10-22 09:16:59 PM  

mikechoiselat: Going by most of these responses most of you must have played football too given the brain dead responses. Some cte hit too close to home? Football is just as safe as walking down the street. Every pot head wants weed legalized which has been PROVEN to affect your brain. My comparison an athletic sport such as football is dwarfed in brain damages.


Would love to see your numbers on how many people walk down the street vs how many are injured, compared to same numbers for football players.  No one signs up their 7 year old kid to smoke weed.  Idiot.
 
2017-10-22 09:35:52 PM  

Naido: mikechoiselat: Going by most of these responses most of you must have played football too given the brain dead responses. Some cte hit too close to home? Football is just as safe as walking down the street. Every pot head wants weed legalized which has been PROVEN to affect your brain. My comparison an athletic sport such as football is dwarfed in brain damages.

Would love to see your numbers on how many people walk down the street vs how many are injured, compared to same numbers for football players.  No one signs up their 7 year old kid to smoke weed.  Idiot.


Stick to hop scotch snowflake
 
2017-10-22 10:38:19 PM  

Mr. Coffee Nerves: If the NFL doesn't pay for a real minor league soon the inevitable death of football as we know it will come in a few years instead of a few decades.

I'm surprised we haven't already seen some D1 programs that don't get big money (or even profits) from TV and home games drop football.


This so much. College football can be about the institution again and kids who aren't interested in higher education can stop pretending.
 
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