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(The Conversation)   Teenagers aren't getting the sleep they need, and the root cause is a) smartphones, b) smartphones, or c) smartphones?   ( theconversation.com) divider line
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2017-10-22 08:39:27 AM  
Well great. Wonder what the cause will be when my son is a teenager.
 
2017-10-22 09:44:47 AM  
Strangely enough, many adults are also losing sleep as a result of smartphone use, even though the use is only attributed to one man.


/calm down, I'm not trying to politicize the thread, just saw a cheap-yet-relevant joke opportunity
 
2017-10-22 10:06:51 AM  
I remember when it used to be TV and video games.
 
2017-10-22 10:09:35 AM  

Ambivalence: I remember when it used to be TV and video games.


Don't forget comic books under the covers.
 
2017-10-22 10:12:46 AM  

edmo: Ambivalence: I remember when it used to be TV and video games.

Don't forget comic books under the covers.


Which, of course, was a guaranteed tragedy prior to the invention of the flashlight...
 
2017-10-22 10:16:23 AM  
My in-laws have my teenage niece and nephew hand over their phones at 9pm on school nights. Amazingly, that keeps them off the things in the wee hours.

Pretty ingenious, if you ask me.
 
2017-10-22 11:01:02 AM  

Ambivalence: I remember when it used to be TV and video games.


This.

Books, radio, comics, television, video games, computers, cell phones and literally ANYTHING that teenagers enjoy will be blamed as the reason teenagers aren't getting enough sleep.

And before we get all preachy about 'kids today', let's not forget that countless adults are also not getting enough sleep.
 
2017-10-22 11:08:01 AM  

That Guy What Stole the Bacon: edmo: Ambivalence: I remember when it used to be TV and video games.

Don't forget comic books under the covers.

Which, of course, was a guaranteed tragedy prior to the invention of the flashlight...


Games of marbles. Wicked and enslaving: the path to perdition.
 
2017-10-22 11:18:33 AM  
When I was a teen, there weren't any smartphones. There was too much homework which I normally didn't do at all. But there was a little thing called Symphony of the Night, and I was a bit hooked you see.

.....I might just fire that game up again right now.
 
2017-10-22 11:23:04 AM  
I feel real old. Many of the young people I see in my office building walk down the halls constantly looking at their smart phones. They wait for other people to open doors for them so that they don't have to look away from the screen. I don't think smartphones are beginning to make people worse, it's just yet another thing showing the bad side of people. No generation was ever better than the generation before.
 
2017-10-22 11:32:16 AM  

skinink: I feel real old. Many of the young people I see in my office building walk down the halls constantly looking at their smart phones. They wait for other people to open doors for them so that they don't have to look away from the screen. I don't think smartphones are beginning to make people worse, it's just yet another thing showing the bad side of people. No generation was ever better than the generation before.


If it makes you feel any better/worse about young people, my grandfather, the patriarch of his side of the family, will not put down his phone when visited by relatives. He answers calls in their presence. I'm not saying he is a bad person, but this is not unique to the young.
 
2017-10-22 11:43:31 AM  
High school begins at 6:30 AM because (a) The school isn't big enough to hold all the students, so classes are staggered (the local tea-party bund killed a ballot issue to construct a new building); (b) the school shares a parking lot with a popular after-work gastropub, and they want all the kids' cars out of there in time for happy hour; (c) teachers need the extra time to drill standardized test strategies; and (d) parents demanded extra time in the afternoon for after-school jobs and extracurricular activities.
 
2017-10-22 11:51:18 AM  

skinink: I feel real old. Many of the young people I see in my office building walk down the halls constantly looking at their smart phones. They wait for other people to open doors for them so that they don't have to look away from the screen. I don't think smartphones are beginning to make people worse, it's just yet another thing showing the bad side of people. No generation was ever better than the generation before.


A lot of generations didn't object very loudly to the mob lynchings of blacks in the south.

You can no longer beat your kids with impunity.

They allow gays on TV now.

No argument just pointing out some changes are good.
 
2017-10-22 11:53:41 AM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: Ambivalence: I remember when it used to be TV and video games.

This.

Books, radio, comics, television, video games, computers, cell phones and literally ANYTHING that teenagers enjoy will be blamed as the reason teenagers aren't getting enough sleep.

And before we get all preachy about 'kids today', let's not forget that countless adults are also not getting enough sleep.


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2017-10-22 01:29:31 PM  
Not just teenagers. I know someone who seems to be physically incapable of putting it down. She is in her 30s. For some reason, we seldom invite her to social things any more.
 
2017-10-22 01:49:44 PM  
Teenagers have NEVER gotten enough sleep and the root cause is that their body clocks change to sleep late but school starts at a ridiculously early hour.

Decide if them being short of sleep is bad enough to do something about. If so, move school start times. If not quit complaining about cell phones and other things kids do at night.
 
2017-10-22 02:13:51 PM  
To echo the sentiment in this thread, I don't miss going to HS before dawn half the year.
 
2017-10-22 02:51:18 PM  
Solved this with my three teen kiddos. All phones charging downstairs at bedtime. They hated me with passion for a week, but their grades and moods elevated almost immediately. Night and day improvement. They are measurably and objectively happier. Wish I had figured it out earlier.
 
2017-10-22 03:20:20 PM  
If pornhub and smartphones had existed when I was 16, I doubt I'd get much sleep either.

/dnrta
 
2017-10-22 03:49:49 PM  
TECHNOLOGY IS BAD. THOMAS EDISON WAS A WITCH.
 
2017-10-22 04:57:43 PM  
Yes, yes. Computers and video games and smart phones are ruining our youth.

Nevermind the fact that a significantly more direct culprit is school start times. Teenagers are biologically on a different circadian rhythym than adults. If you really want them to get enough rest and be prepared to learn at school, you'd want the start time to be no earlier than 10 or 11 AM.

But that might inconvenience some parents, so fark it. Just blame cellphones and "blue light."
 
2017-10-22 04:58:48 PM  

NotARocketScientist: Teenagers have NEVER gotten enough sleep and the root cause is that their body clocks change to sleep late but school starts at a ridiculously early hour.

Decide if them being short of sleep is bad enough to do something about. If so, move school start times. If not quit complaining about cell phones and other things kids do at night.


D'oh. What I just said was already covered, apparently.
 
2017-10-22 07:16:10 PM  

Teufelaffe: TECHNOLOGY IS BAD. THOMAS EDISON WAS A WITCH.


In all fairness, Edison was mostly just an asshole capitalist that took credit for things he didn't actually invent.
 
2017-10-22 07:22:50 PM  
Nevermind the fact that a significantly more direct culprit is school start times. Teenagers are biologically on a different circadian rhythym than adults. If you really want them to get enough rest and be prepared to learn at school, you'd want the start time to be no earlier than 10 or 11 AM.

But that might inconvenience some parents, so fark it. Just blame cellphones and "blue light."

It's not the parents that are inconvenienced - it's the schools.  The buses here are rotated.  They pick up the high schoolers first, then they come back for the middle schoolers, then they come back for the grade schoolers - which is the exact opposite of the way it should be, and the most convenient method for parents.  When my kids were in grade school, they always got up early anyway, regardless of school.  Thankfully, we didn't have to wait around for the bus to pick them up at 9 because there were a couple of parents in whose kids used that bus stop who didn't work during the morning, so they could sit there and watch the kids at the bus stop and make sure they weren't eaten by wolves.  Our teenagers are picked up at 6:45 (because the school is 10 minutes away, school starts at 7:02 {really, 7:02 - to get that extra couple of minutes in a day}). It would have been so much easier for most parent's work schedules if the little kids had to be on the bus at 6:45.  Most parent's of teenagers don't have to wait around for the high schooler to get on the bus without being cursed by witches, or whatever it is everyone is terrified of now.  9am start time is the reason why there is before and after school care - because most people have to be at work by 8, and they can't expect a 6 year old to get themselves up, ready and out the door to school by themselves (which I really don't expect a 6 year old to be able to do without messing up quite a bit).
 
2017-10-22 08:55:57 PM  

CaptainOrangeCat: Nevermind the fact that a significantly more direct culprit is school start times. Teenagers are biologically on a different circadian rhythym than adults. If you really want them to get enough rest and be prepared to learn at school, you'd want the start time to be no earlier than 10 or 11 AM.

But that might inconvenience some parents, so fark it. Just blame cellphones and "blue light."

It's not the parents that are inconvenienced - it's the schools.  The buses here are rotated.  They pick up the high schoolers first, then they come back for the middle schoolers, then they come back for the grade schoolers - which is the exact opposite of the way it should be, and the most convenient method for parents.  When my kids were in grade school, they always got up early anyway, regardless of school.  Thankfully, we didn't have to wait around for the bus to pick them up at 9 because there were a couple of parents in whose kids used that bus stop who didn't work during the morning, so they could sit there and watch the kids at the bus stop and make sure they weren't eaten by wolves.  Our teenagers are picked up at 6:45 (because the school is 10 minutes away, school starts at 7:02 {really, 7:02 - to get that extra couple of minutes in a day}). It would have been so much easier for most parent's work schedules if the little kids had to be on the bus at 6:45.  Most parent's of teenagers don't have to wait around for the high schooler to get on the bus without being cursed by witches, or whatever it is everyone is terrified of now.  9am start time is the reason why there is before and after school care - because most people have to be at work by 8, and they can't expect a 6 year old to get themselves up, ready and out the door to school by themselves (which I really don't expect a 6 year old to be able to do without messing up quite a bit).


No, it's definitely the parents that are the roadblock.

Nothing that you wrote is markedly untrue, but kind of irrelevant to the point. When people try to push for later start times, it's always the parents that cockblock it. It's not the bus drivers or the teachers.
 
2017-10-22 10:11:21 PM  
maybe they need to masturbate more. then they'd sleep.
 
2017-10-22 11:23:46 PM  
It's ludicrous to assign all of teenaged sleep deprivation to smartphones. That's objectively not true. There are other factors as well, such as tablets, phablets, smart watches, etc.
 
2017-10-22 11:54:13 PM  

SergeantObvious: They are measurably and objectively happier.


I'm very interested to hear how you objectively measured this. Are your data sets and tables available on google docs? I'd love to browse them.
 
2017-10-23 12:25:52 AM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: Ambivalence: I remember when it used to be TV and video games.

This.

Books, radio, comics, television, video games, computers, cell phones and literally ANYTHING that teenagers enjoy will be blamed as the reason teenagers aren't getting enough sleep.

And before we get all preachy about 'kids today', let's not forget that countless adults are also not getting enough sleep.


Well, back then most of us didn't have a PC in our bedroom, a TV or a gaming system. Even if we did, they didn't fit in the bed, and the shiat that was on TV was, well, generally shiat in the middle of the night. Unless you were stroking off to skinamax, and then you were just gonna fall asleep anyway. Reading a book is not the same as staring at a screen.

Tablets and smartphones in bed really just aren't the same thing at all. They're a lot more difficult to naturally regulate the way a TV and NES in the living room are, or falling asleep in a pile of comic books.
 
2017-10-23 01:34:35 AM  

emtwo: SergeantObvious: They are measurably and objectively happier.

I'm very interested to hear how you objectively measured this. Are your data sets and tables available on google docs? I'd love to browse them.


I know this is gonna sound weird, but I talk to my kids. Daily. I actually like them. They trust me. They tell me they are happier mow that they are getting sleep. They interact with one another better.

Do you not have kids? If you did you'd know; figuring out if they are happy doesn't require any voodoo.
 
2017-10-23 01:48:10 AM  

SergeantObvious: emtwo: SergeantObvious: They are measurably and objectively happier.

I'm very interested to hear how you objectively measured this. Are your data sets and tables available on google docs? I'd love to browse them.

I know this is gonna sound weird, but I talk to my kids. Daily. I actually like them. They trust me. They tell me they are happier mow that they are getting sleep. They interact with one another better.

Do you not have kids? If you did you'd know; figuring out if they are happy doesn't require any voodoo.


'k
 
2017-10-23 07:46:51 AM  
Oh bullshiat. Before phones it was books and flashlights. Or sneaking out of the house.
It has nothing to do with excessive homework. Or school that starts too goddamn early in the morning for developing minds. Or the relentless push of college prep. No, the only reason they're so tired is because KIDS THESE DAYS AND THEIR SMARTPHONES AAAAAUGH AVOCADO STARBUCKS MILLENNIALS ENTITLED
 
2017-10-23 10:48:52 AM  
d) they're teenagers.

Kids that age aren't known to go to bed early by choice - they have TV to watch, homework to do, video games to play.  And school starts really farking early, so add those 2 together and you get teens not getting as much sleep as they "should". That isn't a new condition. Somehow they still survive.
 
2017-10-23 12:58:26 PM  

That Guy What Stole the Bacon: Strangely enough, many adults are also losing sleep as a result of smartphone use, even though the use is only attributed to one man.


/calm down, I'm not trying to politicize the thread, just saw a cheap-yet-relevant joke opportunity


it's actually a Dumbphone.
doesn't have a real operating system
the screen is tiny
the speakers are a joke
constantly has to be recharged
no keyboard or mouse.  and no, touch screen cannot compete with a real keyboard and mouse.
the apps are dumbed down but have clever ways of "assisting" the user. guiding his dumb ass along because he needs to be babysat.

a desktop workstation with a 27 inch monitor hooked up to a home stereo system/subwoofer with a comfortable chair is the only way to fly.

granted, Dumbphones are able to make phone calls and text ok.  i'll give them that.
 
2017-10-23 01:00:54 PM  

mentula: maybe they need to masturbate more. then they'd sleep.


maybe you can help assist them in that area?
 
2017-10-23 01:01:53 PM  

SergeantObvious: emtwo: SergeantObvious: They are measurably and objectively happier.

I'm very interested to hear how you objectively measured this. Are your data sets and tables available on google docs? I'd love to browse them.

I know this is gonna sound weird, but I talk to my kids. Daily. I actually like them. They trust me. They tell me they are happier mow that they are getting sleep. They interact with one another better.

Do you not have kids? If you did you'd know; figuring out if they are happy doesn't require any voodoo.


why do you hate Freedom and Capitalism?    wink
 
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