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2017-10-20 09:43:09 PM  
What does this mean?
 
2017-10-20 09:48:15 PM  

make me some tea: What does this mean?


I saw someone on Twitter earlier say this meant that he could recall retired officers. Can someone with expertise say if that's right?
 
2017-10-20 09:49:23 PM  

make me some tea: What does this mean?


I'm not entirely sure, but it sounds like they can recall discharged and retired military personnel in a time of national crisis...

...which sounds rather ominous.
 
2017-10-20 09:52:06 PM  

crypticsatellite: make me some tea: What does this mean?

I'm not entirely sure, but it sounds like they can recall discharged and retired military personnel in a time of national crisis...

...which sounds rather ominous.


Um.

Hmm.
 
2017-10-20 09:52:20 PM  

crypticsatellite: make me some tea: What does this mean?

I'm not entirely sure, but it sounds like they can recall discharged and retired military personnel in a time of national crisis...

...which sounds rather ominous.


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"Just a moment, Captain, sir. I'll explain what happened. Your revered Admiral Nogura invoked a little-known, seldom-used 'reserve activation clause.' In simpler language, Captain, they drafted me!"
 
2017-10-20 10:01:55 PM  

make me some tea: What does this mean?


"The authorities available for use during a national emergency under sections 688 and 690 of title 10, United States Code, are also invoked and made available, according to their terms, to the Secretary concerned, subject in the case of the Secretaries of the Army, Navy, and Air Force, to the direction of the Secretary of Defense."

10 U.S. Code § 688 - Retired members: authority to order to active duty; duties
10 U.S. Code § 690 - Retired members ordered to active duty: limitation on number
 
2017-10-20 10:03:15 PM  
Wow. My buddy texted me a few hours ago asking about this. I'll write here what I told him:

"Retirees are, and always have been, subject to recall. This is a condition of military retirement (that you're subject to recall). Same with the ready reserve (we're both out of the ready reserve now so I pointed out to him that we're not subject to this).

It's basically doing away with the restrictions on the numbers of officers and the length of time that they could be called up for at any point in time by subjecting sections 688 and 690 of USC Title 10 to the waiver provisions at the bottom of each section (which do away with those restrictions in times of war or national emergency, the latter of which was declared by GWB in 2001 in EO 13223)."

My opinion: it's kind of something that should have happened back in '01. If EO 13223 is still in effect, and it is, then this really isn't a big deal. I really think it's more precautionary than meaning anything is imminent. Of course we could nuke NK in 10 minutes so WTF do I know.
 
2017-10-20 10:04:41 PM  
New Moon. The Military loves a new moon
 
2017-10-20 10:04:56 PM  
Sounds like someone is gearing up for war.
 
2017-10-20 10:05:49 PM  

Circusdog320: New Moon. The Military loves a new moon


M-O-O-N spells war.
 
2017-10-20 10:08:43 PM  
Calm before the storm...make that shiatstorm
 
2017-10-20 10:12:38 PM  

Tell Me How My Blog Tastes: Wow. My buddy texted me a few hours ago asking about this. I'll write here what I told him:

"Retirees are, and always have been, subject to recall. This is a condition of military retirement (that you're subject to recall). Same with the ready reserve (we're both out of the ready reserve now so I pointed out to him that we're not subject to this).

It's basically doing away with the restrictions on the numbers of officers and the length of time that they could be called up for at any point in time by subjecting sections 688 and 690 of USC Title 10 to the waiver provisions at the bottom of each section (which do away with those restrictions in times of war or national emergency, the latter of which was declared by GWB in 2001 in EO 13223)."

My opinion: it's kind of something that should have happened back in '01. If EO 13223 is still in effect, and it is, then this really isn't a big deal. I really think it's more precautionary than meaning anything is imminent. Of course we could nuke NK in 10 minutes so WTF do I know.


How are current retention levels?  Are they understaffed?  I wonder if it isn't the simple fact that we've got our guys spread so far out that there's some real concern brewing.
 
2017-10-20 10:12:47 PM  
A friend of mine,a Navy captain with close to 30 years service, had put in for retirement lastmonth and was told the Navy considered him indispensable and would remain on active duty for the foreseeable future.
 
2017-10-20 10:13:21 PM  
Some of us are eligible to be greeters at WalMart. Can I do that instead?
 
2017-10-20 10:17:35 PM  

Closed_Minded_Bastage: Some of us are eligible to be greeters at WalMart. Can I do that instead?


Some Wal-marts are just as dangerous.
 
2017-10-20 10:19:32 PM  

PainInTheASP: How are current retention levels?  Are they understaffed?  I wonder if it isn't the simple fact that we've got our guys spread so far out that there's some real concern brewing.


So, there are definitely end strength increases coming. The FY 18 NDAA still has to be passed (it's in conference now), but everyone expects numbers to go up. I doubt this has anything to do with that, although I do think with the unemployment rate so low that it is much harder to find qualified recruits at the moment.

Like I said above, I think this is precautionary, even something that GWB should have done if he knew what he was doing. That it took 16 years is more than a little weird, but it's something you should have had ready to go in the first place, IMO.
 
2017-10-20 10:19:43 PM  
May have something to do with this: Air Force plans to recall 1,000 pilots

Sounds like someone is going to get bombed soon.
 
2017-10-20 10:20:05 PM  
All it does is to delegate power the Secretary of Defense already has -- and has used -- to the Secretaries of the Army, Navy and Air Force. It could already be delegated, but only to civilians, per the original Bush Jr. 2001 Executive Order.

BTW, the Secretary of Transportation also has this authority. Makes more sense to let the individual military services handle their staffing than him/her.
 
2017-10-20 10:20:40 PM  
When government says "temporary," they mean "eventually permanent," as another Farker pointed out earlier in the week.
 
2017-10-20 10:22:09 PM  
This could be due to the push for a round of base closings.
 
2017-10-20 10:23:56 PM  

FormlessOne: When government says "temporary," they mean "eventually permanent," as another Farker pointed out earlier in the week.


Not necessarily true. The tax to pay for the war against Spain was abolished in 2006, a mere 108 years after the war ended.
 
2017-10-20 10:25:48 PM  

Lighting: May have something to do with this: Air Force plans to recall 1,000 pilots

Sounds like someone is going to get bombed soon.


That would absolutely be a reason for this. 1000 officers would, I believe, bust those cap limits in Section "690: (b)Limitation by Service.-
(1)
Not more than 25 officers of any one armed force may be serving on active duty concurrently pursuant to orders to active duty issued under section 688 of this title."

I think that's your answer. But as to whether or not someone is going to get bombed, read this:

"The Air Force's ranks grew during the 2016 fiscal year, but as of April this year the service was still more than 1,500 pilots short of the 20,300 it is mandated to have.
Of those missing, roughly 1,000 are fighter pilots. And the service stands to lose 1,600 more fliers over the next four years."


Look, anyone who has been on Fark for the last year knows I am not inclined to give this Admin the benefit of the doubt on anything, but I really don't see anything nefarious here.
 
2017-10-20 10:28:48 PM  
Meh. I'm not reading all that shiat so I'll just panic
 
2017-10-20 10:33:29 PM  

Tell Me How My Blog Tastes: Wow. My buddy texted me a few hours ago asking about this. I'll write here what I told him:

"Retirees are, and always have been, subject to recall. This is a condition of military retirement (that you're subject to recall). Same with the ready reserve (we're both out of the ready reserve now so I pointed out to him that we're not subject to this).

It's basically doing away with the restrictions on the numbers of officers and the length of time that they could be called up for at any point in time by subjecting sections 688 and 690 of USC Title 10 to the waiver provisions at the bottom of each section (which do away with those restrictions in times of war or national emergency, the latter of which was declared by GWB in 2001 in EO 13223)."

My opinion: it's kind of something that should have happened back in '01. If EO 13223 is still in effect, and it is, then this really isn't a big deal. I really think it's more precautionary than meaning anything is imminent. Of course we could nuke NK in 10 minutes so WTF do I know.


Also makes it for any national emergency; internal as opposed to external threats.
 
2017-10-20 10:36:39 PM  

gerbilpox: All it does is to delegate power the Secretary of Defense already has -- and has used -- to the Secretaries of the Army, Navy and Air Force. It could already be delegated, but only to civilians, per the original Bush Jr. 2001 Executive Order.

BTW, the Secretary of Transportation also has this authority. Makes more sense to let the individual military services handle their staffing than him/her.


EO 13223 was issued in 2001 - before the Department of Homeland Security was even formed in 2004. The Coast Guard was actually housed w/in the Dept of Transportation at that point, so they're included to be able to activate the Coasties' officers and reserves in times of national emergency. The Coast Guard is now part of DHS (which is really just an amalgamation of a bunch of free-standing agencies and the CG that existed prior to 2004). 13223 should really be updated to reflect that, actually.
 
2017-10-20 10:41:32 PM  

make me some tea: What does this mean?


it means hold onto your hats. the next war is coming.

The authorities available for use during a national emergency

the gobbleygook means they are ramping up a nationwide 'stop loss' and fixin to activate the IRR, or whoever else they need.
 
2017-10-20 10:47:56 PM  

Kirablue42: make me some tea: What does this mean?

it means hold onto your hats. the next war is coming.

The authorities available for use during a national emergency

the gobbleygook means they are ramping up a nationwide 'stop loss' and fixin to activate the IRR, or whoever else they need.


I think the "national emergency" language is new, places this as internal/domestic category and is oddly vague.

Is "national emergency" standard nomenclature?
 
2017-10-20 10:57:54 PM  

dr_blasto: Kirablue42: make me some tea: What does this mean?

it means hold onto your hats. the next war is coming.

The authorities available for use during a national emergency

the gobbleygook means they are ramping up a nationwide 'stop loss' and fixin to activate the IRR, or whoever else they need.

I think the "national emergency" language is new, places this as internal/domestic category and is oddly vague.

Is "national emergency" standard nomenclature?


We have been in a declared "national emergency" since post-9/11
 
2017-10-20 11:00:01 PM  

make me some tea: What does this mean?


If you are male ex-military it's time to throw on a dress and find yourself a boyfriend.
 
2017-10-20 11:00:52 PM  
"Three generations of grifters and greedy people."

NAILED IT!!
 
2017-10-20 11:01:35 PM  

real_headhoncho: "Three generations of grifters and greedy people."

NAILED IT!!


Wrong thread.  Sorry.
 
2017-10-20 11:02:25 PM  
Well, this is interesting. Those retired military personnel who are still on Ready Reserve can now be recalled to active duty due to any national emergency, not the original intent of the EO which was specifically for military action related directly to the 9/11 attacks.

With this and expanded Stop Loss, it sure seems to me that this is a ramping up to something. I'm retired now and no longer on Ready Reserve (not that take me back anyway, considering I transitioned after I retired), but I understand why this change in the wording is so important...and very concerning. I imagine my husband, who was supposed to retire in January, will probably be stop-lossed. He's not going to be happy.

Goddamnit.
 
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2017-10-20 11:07:00 PM  

grokca: If you are male ex-military it's time to throw on a dress and find yourself a boyfriend.


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2017-10-20 11:13:36 PM  

grokca: make me some tea: What does this mean?

If you are male ex-military it's time to throw on a dress and find yourself a boyfriend.


That doesn't exempt you anymore. Thanks Obama!
 
2017-10-20 11:18:30 PM  
I don't care what rules changes they make, I'm not going back.  i've done my bit for king and country.
 
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2017-10-20 11:22:44 PM  
I don't put any more stock in this gaining traction than anything else Trump does, or signs, or forgets to sign and then wanders off.
 
2017-10-20 11:23:56 PM  
Pretty sure my ready reserve is expired too.
 
2017-10-20 11:26:13 PM  
What Does Trump's New Executive Order Amending Executive Order 13223 Mean?
https://secondnexus.com/news/trump-ex​e​cutive-order-13223-amendment-war-meani​ng/
 
2017-10-20 11:59:13 PM  
Oh well, I always wanted to get a raise to my military pension. If they recall me, I go to the rate for my rank as it is now, plus incrementing my TIS higher. Once I'm released, BINGO.
 
2017-10-21 12:06:14 AM  
This is getting scary.
 
2017-10-21 12:07:46 AM  

AirForceVet: Oh well, I always wanted to get a raise to my military pension. If they recall me, I go to the rate for my rank as it is now, plus incrementing my TIS higher. Once I'm released, BINGO.


yeah, I don't think that's gonna happen.  trump will force you back into a cockpit, but he isn't going to pay you a dime more than he has to, should it come to that.  we're expected to die cheaply as possible and not embarrass our commander in chief.
 
2017-10-21 12:12:54 AM  

real_headhoncho: "Three generations of grifters and greedy people."

NAILED IT!!


Meh, it kind of still works.
 
2017-10-21 12:24:37 AM  
Fire up the draft and watch the Trumpers whine.

I just read where the  Air Force may recall 1000 pilots which worries the airlines.
 
2017-10-21 12:29:12 AM  

GardenWeasel: dr_blasto: Kirablue42: make me some tea: What does this mean?

it means hold onto your hats. the next war is coming.

The authorities available for use during a national emergency

the gobbleygook means they are ramping up a nationwide 'stop loss' and fixin to activate the IRR, or whoever else they need.

I think the "national emergency" language is new, places this as internal/domestic category and is oddly vague.

Is "national emergency" standard nomenclature?

We have been in a declared "national emergency" since post-9/11


Trump to declare opioid epidemic national emergency (10/17/2017)

Call up reservists to go shoot druggies!

/not entirely impossible, if sent to Mexico
//threatened it for "bad hombres"
///also praised Philippines doing it
////slashies!
 
2017-10-21 12:30:47 AM  
 
2017-10-21 12:31:44 AM  

gerbilpox: GardenWeasel: dr_blasto: Kirablue42: make me some tea: What does this mean?

it means hold onto your hats. the next war is coming.

The authorities available for use during a national emergency

the gobbleygook means they are ramping up a nationwide 'stop loss' and fixin to activate the IRR, or whoever else they need.

I think the "national emergency" language is new, places this as internal/domestic category and is oddly vague.

Is "national emergency" standard nomenclature?

We have been in a declared "national emergency" since post-9/11

Trump to declare opioid epidemic national emergency (10/17/2017)

Call up reservists to go shoot druggies!

/not entirely impossible, if sent to Mexico
//threatened it for "bad hombres"
///also praised Philippines doing it
////slashies!


Normally I'd just take this as a joke, but holy shiat, there is no predicting what this admin will do, beyond assuming they'll do the worst thing possible in the most incompetent fashion.
 
2017-10-21 12:32:14 AM  

real_headhoncho: real_headhoncho: "Three generations of grifters and greedy people."

NAILED IT!!

Wrong thread.  Sorry.


It's a Trump thread, so it still works.
 
2017-10-21 12:35:00 AM  

dr_blasto: gerbilpox: GardenWeasel: dr_blasto: Kirablue42: make me some tea: What does this mean?

it means hold onto your hats. the next war is coming.

The authorities available for use during a national emergency

the gobbleygook means they are ramping up a nationwide 'stop loss' and fixin to activate the IRR, or whoever else they need.

I think the "national emergency" language is new, places this as internal/domestic category and is oddly vague.

Is "national emergency" standard nomenclature?

We have been in a declared "national emergency" since post-9/11

Trump to declare opioid epidemic national emergency (10/17/2017)

Call up reservists to go shoot druggies!

/not entirely impossible, if sent to Mexico
//threatened it for "bad hombres"
///also praised Philippines doing it
////slashies!

Normally I'd just take this as a joke, but holy shiat, there is no predicting what this admin will do, beyond assuming they'll do the worst thing possible in the most incompetent fashion.


He IS buddy-buddy with Duterte....
 
2017-10-21 12:35:04 AM  

make me some tea: What does this mean?


Absolutely nothing.
 
2017-10-21 12:38:35 AM  
Hey dumbassses in Congress. It is long past time to repeal the 9/11 blank check.
 
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