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2017-10-19 07:14:05 PM  
This is why they kneel.
It's why you should kneel too.
 
2017-10-19 07:43:29 PM  
Convicted, subby. It was nearly news that he was charged. It's news that he was convicted, albeit after three unsuccessful attempts at a proper trial.
 
2017-10-19 09:01:29 PM  
Kepler claimed that he couldn't be tried in a state court because he was a Native American

WAT

Kepler's next tactic was to get blacks eliminated from the jury pool.

How does the defendant do that? Was he representing himself?
 
2017-10-19 09:53:52 PM  
Justice served.  Now let's see how the brothers welcome him in prison.

The man was trying to do the odd fashioned respectable thing and shake his girlfriend's father's hand.  Fry him
 
2017-10-19 09:55:07 PM  

jaylectricity: Convicted, subby. It was nearly news that he was charged. It's news that he was convicted, albeit after three unsuccessful attempts at a proper trial.


And he got Manslaughter - with a 15 recommended sentence, when the initial charge was Murder 1.  Pretty sure Oklahoma still has the death penalty on the table for Murder 1.

Apparently one of the trials introduced the  "Phantom Gun" effect, where it should be OK to defend yourself against a gun you imagine someone has.
 
2017-10-19 09:55:43 PM  
He was tried four times until the government finally got the verdict they wanted.  I've never been able to understand why it's constitutional for the state to try any person as many times as they like until they get the verdict they want.
 
2017-10-19 09:56:21 PM  
On top of the conviction, I hope paying for his defense four times has financially ruined him.  Of course, I'm guessing his local FOP paid for it...
 
2017-10-19 09:57:10 PM  

doglover: This is why they kneel.
It's why you should kneel too.


I've got shot knees (several plates and screws in both legs, no cartilage, et al.) so you'll pardon me if I don't. Standing up after kneeling is a biatch. I will support you, and others, who do kneel.

Kinda surprised they kept going until they found a jury that found him guilty after the second deadlock.
 
2017-10-19 09:57:57 PM  

Sean VasDeferens: He was tried four times until the government finally got the verdict they wanted.  I've never been able to understand why it's constitutional for the state to try any person as many times as they like until they get the verdict they want.


So packing a jury with people who are the same color as you to make sure you win (or deadlock) is justice?

Oh, that's right.  All people are equal, but some are more equal than others.
 
2017-10-19 09:58:51 PM  
Well, to be fair, not every white man can pull off a black handshake.
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2017-10-19 09:59:29 PM  

fusillade762: Kepler claimed that he couldn't be tried in a state court because he was a Native American

WAT

Kepler's next tactic was to get blacks eliminated from the jury pool.

How does the defendant do that? Was he representing himself?


If you had ever served on a jury you'd understand.  The lawyer and prosecutor first play 21 questions with the jurors and then pick the jurors like two kids picking teams during recess.  I never get picked.
 
2017-10-19 10:00:48 PM  

Sean VasDeferens: He was tried four times until the government finally got the verdict they wanted.  I've never been able to understand why it's constitutional for the state to try any person as many times as they like until they get the verdict they want.


Easiest way to avoid that is to not farking kill someone without justification.
 
2017-10-19 10:01:38 PM  
Kepler claimed that he couldn't be tried in a state court because he was a Native American. He said he was 1/28th Muscogee

I'd like to see how that family tree works.
 
2017-10-19 10:01:45 PM  

hashtag.acronym: fusillade762: Kepler claimed that he couldn't be tried in a state court because he was a Native American

WAT

Kepler's next tactic was to get blacks eliminated from the jury pool.

How does the defendant do that? Was he representing himself?

If you had ever served on a jury you'd understand.  The lawyer and prosecutor first play 21 questions with the jurors and then pick the jurors like two kids picking teams during recess.  I never get picked.


Me neither. The only people kicked off juries faster than engineers and scientists are other lawyers and cops.
 
2017-10-19 10:02:18 PM  
He went there with every intention of killing the guy. It wasn't a reaction to his wanting to shake hands.
 
2017-10-19 10:02:23 PM  

Begoggle: Kepler claimed that he couldn't be tried in a state court because he was a Native American. He said he was 1/28th Muscogee

I'd like to see how that family tree works.


I'm pretty sure there are no branches.
 
2017-10-19 10:03:08 PM  

AurizenDarkstar: Sean VasDeferens: He was tried four times until the government finally got the verdict they wanted.  I've never been able to understand why it's constitutional for the state to try any person as many times as they like until they get the verdict they want.

So packing a jury with people who are the same color as you to make sure you win (or deadlock) is justice?

Oh, that's right.  All people are equal, but some are more equal than others.


Or everyone is innocent until proven guilty, and we'll keep trying your ass until your found guilty.  You may see yourself as a SJW, but tomorrow it may be you who is being tried, and tried, and tried, and tried.
 
2017-10-19 10:05:49 PM  

Sean VasDeferens: He was tried four times until the government finally got the verdict they wanted.  I've never been able to understand why it's constitutional for the state to try any person as many times as they like until they get the verdict they want.


just yesterday a liter on fark stated this exact thing does not happen. blew my farking mind. but for this case, how could they not call this guy guilty right off the bat? the longer i live, the more i see, the more it blows my mind that the black people of america have not killed every white person in the country.
 
2017-10-19 10:05:55 PM  

doglover: This is why they kneel.


So they're a smaller target?


/aisle seat,  please
 
2017-10-19 10:06:06 PM  

Sean VasDeferens: He was tried four times until the government finally got the verdict they wanted.  I've never been able to understand why it's constitutional for the state to try any person as many times as they like until they get the verdict they want.


That's...literally never a thing that's ever happened.
 
2017-10-19 10:06:52 PM  

Sean VasDeferens: Or everyone is innocent until proven guilty, and we'll keep trying your ass until your found guilty. You may see yourself as a SJW, but tomorrow it may be you who is being tried, and tried, and tried, and tried.


If wanting everyone, not just the wealthy or lucky to get justice makes me a SJW, then I'll wear it proudly.  Unlike you, I was brought up to believe that all citizens deserve all the rights, not just the ones they can afford (or the ones that they can directly influence, like this 'former' cop).
 
2017-10-19 10:08:23 PM  

Sean VasDeferens: AurizenDarkstar: Sean VasDeferens: He was tried four times until the government finally got the verdict they wanted.  I've never been able to understand why it's constitutional for the state to try any person as many times as they like until they get the verdict they want.

So packing a jury with people who are the same color as you to make sure you win (or deadlock) is justice?

Oh, that's right.  All people are equal, but some are more equal than others.

Or everyone is innocent until proven guilty, and we'll keep trying your ass until your found guilty.  You may see yourself as a SJW, but tomorrow it may be you who is being tried, and tried, and tried, and tried.


Luckily there are real warriors for social justice like yourself.
 
2017-10-19 10:08:36 PM  

Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion: Sean VasDeferens: He was tried four times until the government finally got the verdict they wanted.  I've never been able to understand why it's constitutional for the state to try any person as many times as they like until they get the verdict they want.

That's...literally never a thing that's ever happened.


So you read the article.
 
2017-10-19 10:08:57 PM  

doglover: This is why they kneel. It's why you should kneel too.

you're probably going to be there for a while.
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2017-10-19 10:09:17 PM  

Sean VasDeferens: I've never been able to understand


we all know this.
 
2017-10-19 10:09:27 PM  
Trump pardon in ...5,4,3...
 
2017-10-19 10:10:47 PM  

Sean VasDeferens: He was tried four times until the government finally got the verdict they wanted.  I've never been able to understand why it's constitutional for the state to try any person as many times as they like until they get the verdict they want.


He was tried only once. A hung jury is a mistrial, so the trial never happened. A verdict requires twelve agreeing to convict or acquit anything else is a nullity
 
2017-10-19 10:11:40 PM  

Sean VasDeferens: He was tried four times until the government finally got the verdict they wanted.  I've never been able to understand why it's constitutional for the state to try any person as many times as they like until they get the verdict they want.


If he were found not guilty, then they can't try him again. Double jeopardy.

If they're a hung jury and can't come to an agreement, then they have a mistrial and can try the charges again. He was never found guilty, not guilty in the mistrials.. so the charges remained valid and unresolved.
 
2017-10-19 10:11:50 PM  
.....

Okay, I admit, I didn't know "which" case this was, so I assumed before reading the article it was the "kid gets shot in his girlfriend's house" scenario.

Nope. This cop stalked, then murdered, her daughter's boyfriend. Then tried, in every way, to manipulate the law in his favor because he's a police officer.

And he got 15 years.

This man should be executed, with his head then put on a spike in front of his former police department.
 
2017-10-19 10:11:57 PM  

Sean VasDeferens: AurizenDarkstar: Sean VasDeferens: He was tried four times until the government finally got the verdict they wanted.  I've never been able to understand why it's constitutional for the state to try any person as many times as they like until they get the verdict they want.

So packing a jury with people who are the same color as you to make sure you win (or deadlock) is justice?

Oh, that's right.  All people are equal, but some are more equal than others.

Or everyone is innocent until proven guilty, and we'll keep trying your ass until your found guilty.  You may see yourself as a SJW, but tomorrow it may be you who is being tried, and tried, and tried, and tried.


If he were actually not guilty, he wouldn't have had any trouble getting a clean "not guilty" verdict, and that'd have been the end of it.
 
2017-10-19 10:12:01 PM  

Sean VasDeferens: Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion: Sean VasDeferens: He was tried four times until the government finally got the verdict they wanted.  I've never been able to understand why it's constitutional for the state to try any person as many times as they like until they get the verdict they want.

That's...literally never a thing that's ever happened.

So you read the article.


You can only retry someone if there is a mistrial or something similar, as was the case here. It is literally unconstitutional to try someone again if they've been acquitted, which this man was not at any point.

It seems like you have no idea how our legal system works if that is actually something you've always wondered.
 
2017-10-19 10:12:21 PM  

Sean VasDeferens: He was tried four times until the government finally got the verdict they wanted.  I've never been able to understand why it's constitutional for the state to try any person as many times as they like until they get the verdict they want.


Because essentially the first three trials were "no result, try again". Double Jeapordy only kicks in if a verdict is reached.
 
2017-10-19 10:12:47 PM  

jaylectricity: Convicted, subby. It was nearly news that he was charged. It's news that he was convicted, albeit after three unsuccessful attempts at a proper trial.


But only of manslaughter. If it wasn't a cop and wasn't a black man, murder for sure.  Somehow pulling a gun on an innocent man and blowing him away no longer counts as murder. Poor 'merica. Pluggin' people with bullets no longer means there was an intent to kill.
 
2017-10-19 10:12:48 PM  

Sean VasDeferens: So you read the article.


The article clearly states:  "case that featured three mistrials "  They didn't keep trying until they "got the verdict they wanted."  They kept trying until there was a single verdict.  A mistrial is not a verdict.
 
2017-10-19 10:13:00 PM  
I like how the racist tried to use his supposed Native background as a way to not be charged. If you're Native American (and are recognized as a member of a tribe) and commit a crime off of the reservation, you are still tried in that city's court although you do get to have a tribal lawyer, if you so choose. You don't just get a free pass.

They tried every trick in the book, though. Good for them, I guess. I wish he would get more time than 15 years.
 
2017-10-19 10:13:33 PM  

TommyDeuce: jaylectricity: Convicted, subby. It was nearly news that he was charged. It's news that he was convicted, albeit after three unsuccessful attempts at a proper trial.

And he got Manslaughter - with a 15 recommended sentence, when the initial charge was Murder 1.  Pretty sure Oklahoma still has the death penalty on the table for Murder 1.

Apparently one of the trials introduced the  "Phantom Gun" effect, where it should be OK to defend yourself against a gun you imagine someone has.


That's already legal precedent if you're a cop, off duty or not.

I wish I were kidding.
 
2017-10-19 10:13:33 PM  
This guy sounds like a real piece of sh*t.
 
2017-10-19 10:13:37 PM  

sinko swimo: Sean VasDeferens: He was tried four times until the government finally got the verdict they wanted.  I've never been able to understand why it's constitutional for the state to try any person as many times as they like until they get the verdict they want.

just yesterday a liter on fark stated this exact thing does not happen. blew my farking mind. but for this case, how could they not call this guy guilty right off the bat? the longer i live, the more i see, the more it blows my mind that the black people of america have not killed every white person in the country.


Historically, uprisings by blacks have not gone well.  Look at Rosewood FL, Tulsa OM, and other black communities that were leveled or wiped completely off the map.  Blacks would have our own prisons if we tried to retaliate violently now..
 
2017-10-19 10:14:32 PM  

Sean VasDeferens: He was tried four times until the government finally got the verdict they wanted.  I've never been able to understand why it's constitutional for the state to try any person as many times as they like until they get the verdict they want.


It's not.  A hung jury is not trying someone until they get the verdict they want.  It means the jury couldn't come to a unanimous decision.  He wasn't found guilty, not was he found innocent.

If he was found innocent by a previous hurry, they COULDN'T try him again, it's called double jeopardy.

If they could, OJ would be in jail for murder still.
 
2017-10-19 10:15:41 PM  

Sean VasDeferens: AurizenDarkstar: Sean VasDeferens: He was tried four times until the government finally got the verdict they wanted.  I've never been able to understand why it's constitutional for the state to try any person as many times as they like until they get the verdict they want.

So packing a jury with people who are the same color as you to make sure you win (or deadlock) is justice?

Oh, that's right.  All people are equal, but some are more equal than others.

Or everyone is innocent until proven guilty, and we'll keep trying your ass until your found guilty.  You may see yourself as a SJW, but tomorrow it may be you who is being tried, and tried, and tried, and tried.


They tried and tried and tried to get away with murder and we tried and tried and tried to get a fair trial. Finally we got the fair trial we wanted and they still let the cop off the hook.
 
2017-10-19 10:16:01 PM  

backhand.slap.of.reason: You are mistaken.  You own the tactics of your lawyers.  They are literally your property.  If the accused wasn't on board 100%, he would have fired him.


Well, not exactly. While I'm sure this guy, LITERALLY, jerked off to the thought of not having black people on his juries, you don't fire the one person in the world who'd seemingly claim the earth is flat in order to defend you.
 
2017-10-19 10:17:04 PM  

Trocadero: hashtag.acronym: fusillade762: Kepler claimed that he couldn't be tried in a state court because he was a Native American

WAT

Kepler's next tactic was to get blacks eliminated from the jury pool.

How does the defendant do that? Was he representing himself?

If you had ever served on a jury you'd understand.  The lawyer and prosecutor first play 21 questions with the jurors and then pick the jurors like two kids picking teams during recess.  I never get picked.

Me neither. The only people kicked off juries faster than engineers and scientists are other lawyers and cops.


Unless it's a cop murder case, then they love other cops.  They understand the "I swear he had a gun/I was scared defense."
 
2017-10-19 10:17:53 PM  

Russ1642: He went there with every intention of killing the guy. It wasn't a reaction to his wanting to shake hands.


I wonder if his daughter is attractive.  I bet she has daddy issues now.  Like serious issues
 
2017-10-19 10:18:25 PM  

sinko swimo: just yesterday a liter on fark stated this exact thing does not happen. blew my farking mind. but for this case, how could they not call this guy guilty right off the bat? the longer i live, the more i see, the more it blows my mind that the black people of america have not killed every white person in the country.


This was pretty much the opposite of the Roscoe "Fatty" Arbuckle case.
 
2017-10-19 10:19:01 PM  

dkulprit: Trocadero: hashtag.acronym: fusillade762: Kepler claimed that he couldn't be tried in a state court because he was a Native American

WAT

Kepler's next tactic was to get blacks eliminated from the jury pool.

How does the defendant do that? Was he representing himself?

If you had ever served on a jury you'd understand.  The lawyer and prosecutor first play 21 questions with the jurors and then pick the jurors like two kids picking teams during recess.  I never get picked.

Me neither. The only people kicked off juries faster than engineers and scientists are other lawyers and cops.

Unless it's a cop murder case, then they love other cops.  They understand the "I swear he had a gun/I was scared defense."


And even the dumbest prosecutor on Earth wouldn't let that happen.
/prosecutors would try as hard as they could to prevent it going to trial in the first place
//so maybe the Grand Jury is all cops
 
2017-10-19 10:19:25 PM  

akede: Sean VasDeferens: He was tried four times until the government finally got the verdict they wanted.  I've never been able to understand why it's constitutional for the state to try any person as many times as they like until they get the verdict they want.

If he were found not guilty, then they can't try him again. Double jeopardy.

If they're a hung jury and can't come to an agreement, then they have a mistrial and can try the charges again. He was never found guilty, not guilty in the mistrials.. so the charges remained valid and unresolved.


Finally, a farker who isn't a flaming insane angry idiot.

What you are saying is what I've been never able to understand from a constitutional perspective.  The way the law is practiced is that you must be proven innocent by 12 of your peers or it is deemed a mistrial.  That 's the opposite of innocent until proven guilty.  The sad fact is that over the past 200 some odd years the USSC has mad many questionable rulings.
 
2017-10-19 10:20:23 PM  
Once guilty, cant they just shoot him and roll him into a mass grave, why do we have to feed and cloth this mf'r.
 
2017-10-19 10:20:33 PM  

Sean VasDeferens: akede: Sean VasDeferens: He was tried four times until the government finally got the verdict they wanted.  I've never been able to understand why it's constitutional for the state to try any person as many times as they like until they get the verdict they want.

If he were found not guilty, then they can't try him again. Double jeopardy.

If they're a hung jury and can't come to an agreement, then they have a mistrial and can try the charges again. He was never found guilty, not guilty in the mistrials.. so the charges remained valid and unresolved.

Finally, a farker who isn't a flaming insane angry idiot.

What you are saying is what I've been never able to understand from a constitutional perspective.  The way the law is practiced is that you must be proven innocent by 12 of your peers or it is deemed a mistrial.  That 's the opposite of innocent until proven guilty.  The sad fact is that over the past 200 some odd years the USSC has mad many questionable rulings.


I'm starting to think you are not a serious person.
 
2017-10-19 10:23:44 PM  

Sean VasDeferens: AurizenDarkstar: Sean VasDeferens: He was tried four times until the government finally got the verdict they wanted.  I've never been able to understand why it's constitutional for the state to try any person as many times as they like until they get the verdict they want.

So packing a jury with people who are the same color as you to make sure you win (or deadlock) is justice?

Oh, that's right.  All people are equal, but some are more equal than others.

Or everyone is innocent until proven guilty, and we'll keep trying your ass until your found guilty.  You may see yourself as a SJW, but tomorrow it may be you who is being tried, and tried, and tried, and tried.


Fortunately I'll never be put in a position for that to happen.  I've never killed someone who wasn't trying to kill me and it's not going to happen.
 
2017-10-19 10:25:31 PM  
Begoggle:

A quick aside: Innocent until proven guilty has never actually been practiced very well. Humans aren't wired for it. The jurisprudence of ... well, everywhere! bears this out.
 
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