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(Guardian)   Institute for Scolding The Fark Out Of You For Enjoying Life Once In A While says even moderate drinking will scar your kids for life   ( theguardian.com) divider line
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2017-10-18 08:48:10 AM  
Then pretty much scratch the entire UK and Scotland from the maps then into perpetuity, because I don't think you're going to make much of a dent there...
 
2017-10-18 09:21:45 AM  
Just give the kid a drink to help them relax.
 
2017-10-18 09:32:53 AM  
All children in the study were named Francis.
 
2017-10-18 09:33:28 AM  

hubiestubert: Then pretty much scratch the entire UK and Scotland from the maps then into perpetuity, because I don't think you're going to make much of a dent there...


So you're double scratching Scotland, since it's (currently) part of the UK?
 
2017-10-18 09:34:15 AM  
my mother almost NEVER drank alcohol. My grandparents on my moms side NEVER drank alcohol.

all of us kids (3) drink like fish.

so.....
 
2017-10-18 09:42:22 AM  
Solution: everyine everywhere should stop breeding to prevent this, then.
 
2017-10-18 09:48:15 AM  
That is why I force my kids to drink heavily.   Dont want to scar them by letting them drink moderately.
 
2017-10-18 09:48:57 AM  
something is going to fark them up. why not this?
 
2017-10-18 09:51:15 AM  
I drink because I have kids. Keeps me from strangling the little bastards. I'm sure they prefer a little emotional scarring to homicide.

/I keed
//love my kids and they love me
///but I do drink
 
2017-10-18 09:51:36 AM  
You have got to love the brits.  Moderate drinking over there is visually drunk.   I would love to see heavy drinking.  Is teatotaling drinking two beers over the length of a football match?
 
2017-10-18 09:54:49 AM  
Even moderate drinking by parents can upset children - study

STFU and GTFO with these "studies".
 
2017-10-18 10:05:27 AM  

Saiga410: You have got to love the brits.  Moderate drinking over there is visually drunk.   I would love to see heavy drinking.  Is teatotaling drinking two beers over the length of a football match?


A lot of Europe is like that.  A couple of cocktails waiting for dinner, bottle of wine with dinner, dessert beverage, then maybe a bottle of the bubbly later in the evening.
 
2017-10-18 10:12:05 AM  

pikov.yndropov: Even moderate drinking by parents can upset children - study

STFU and GTFO with these "studies".


This whole thing sounds like more bullcrap from the prohibitionists at MADD.
 
2017-10-18 10:22:47 AM  
Children are going to be upset sometimes.  Although if you utterly spoil them and give them everything they want, it may temporarily quiet things until their demands increase beyond the ability to comply with.

But if you don't they might be anxious!  Or even confused. They need to perceive you as the perfect role model with no flaws, so you had better be one and drink properly at the pub instead of at home.
 
2017-10-18 10:28:10 AM  
Good thing I don't have kids.

This thought crosses my mind at least once a day.
 
2017-10-18 10:47:45 AM  

Andric: Good thing I don't have kids.

This thought crosses my mind at least once a day.


Only once?
 
2017-10-18 10:58:13 AM  
Hmm. Might explain Christianity.
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2017-10-18 11:02:07 AM  
I guarantee my ex farked our kid up worse than I could have if I'd still been slamming a fifth of vokda a day. Vokka. Vodka.
 
2017-10-18 11:03:18 AM  

Hack Patooey: Saiga410: You have got to love the brits.  Moderate drinking over there is visually drunk.   I would love to see heavy drinking.  Is teatotaling drinking two beers over the length of a football match?

A lot of Europe is like that.  A couple of cocktails waiting for dinner, bottle of wine with dinner, dessert beverage, then maybe a bottle of the bubbly later in the evening.


There's a big difference between drinking with meals, and getting sloppy in front of your children.

I'm a bit torn because 14 units a week is two a day. Averaging two a day is pretty high for people with children, especially young ones. But if you do it after they go to bed, they will never know until they're old enough to not care. That said, having one or two with dinner isn't that much for most people, but it's likely illegal to drive after it. But I know others that you can tell they had a drink at one, and I seem to recall units of alcohol is absurdly small in British studies, like serving sizes that just are sold or served that way... Like 8oz of beer or something. Less than a proper single pint a day average would not be that much, and most people wouldn't be visibly drunk to their kids after 2 pints, let alone one.... So maybe this is about binge drinking? Like doing 12 of those during a football match... Which I can see why kids would notice.
 
2017-10-18 11:16:36 AM  
My cats get concerned if I'm NOT drinking.

/No kids.
 
2017-10-18 11:20:06 AM  
2 drinks a day?  Expensive habit, unless you're drinking pisswater.  I love when people with expensive habits (drugs, booze, cigarettes) complain about having no money.
 
2017-10-18 11:21:39 AM  
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2017-10-18 11:30:19 AM  

Quantumbunny: Hack Patooey: Saiga410: You have got to love the brits.  Moderate drinking over there is visually drunk.   I would love to see heavy drinking.  Is teatotaling drinking two beers over the length of a football match?

A lot of Europe is like that.  A couple of cocktails waiting for dinner, bottle of wine with dinner, dessert beverage, then maybe a bottle of the bubbly later in the evening.

There's a big difference between drinking with meals, and getting sloppy in front of your children.

I'm a bit torn because 14 units a week is two a day. Averaging two a day is pretty high for people with children, especially young ones. But if you do it after they go to bed, they will never know until they're old enough to not care. That said, having one or two with dinner isn't that much for most people, but it's likely illegal to drive after it. But I know others that you can tell they had a drink at one, and I seem to recall units of alcohol is absurdly small in British studies, like serving sizes that just are sold or served that way... Like 8oz of beer or something. Less than a proper single pint a day average would not be that much, and most people wouldn't be visibly drunk to their kids after 2 pints, let alone one.... So maybe this is about binge drinking? Like doing 12 of those during a football match... Which I can see why kids would notice.


A beer while cooking/eating dinner, and another once the kid's asleep. 2 beers over 3-4 hours. This would be tee-totaling in Czechia, but is pearl-clutchingly awful and destructive when living among the Protestants. 

It's probably worse to be drinking PSL's in front of the kids all day. Skews their understanding of the appropriate sugar intake for an adult
 
2017-10-18 11:35:37 AM  

Saiga410: You have got to love the brits.  Moderate drinking over there is visually drunk.   I would love to see heavy drinking.  Is teatotaling drinking two beers over the length of a football match?


The NHS describes having more than 5 units in a week or 2 in a sitting as "heavy drinking."
 
2017-10-18 11:37:14 AM  
Maybe if the schools didn't tell kids one drink and they'll be an addict for life and it wouldn't upset the kids so much.
 
2017-10-18 11:46:28 AM  
... But heavy drinking will scar your liver for life.
 
2017-10-18 11:49:42 AM  
Does this mean because I don't have children I need to take on some of everyone elses drinking?

I'm willing to help out.
 
2017-10-18 11:51:03 AM  
I should take up drinking and have kids just to test this.

/no
 
2017-10-18 12:03:05 PM  

astro716: Quantumbunny: Hack Patooey: Saiga410: You have got to love the brits.  Moderate drinking over there is visually drunk.   I would love to see heavy drinking.  Is teatotaling drinking two beers over the length of a football match?

A lot of Europe is like that.  A couple of cocktails waiting for dinner, bottle of wine with dinner, dessert beverage, then maybe a bottle of the bubbly later in the evening.

There's a big difference between drinking with meals, and getting sloppy in front of your children.

I'm a bit torn because 14 units a week is two a day. Averaging two a day is pretty high for people with children, especially young ones. But if you do it after they go to bed, they will never know until they're old enough to not care. That said, having one or two with dinner isn't that much for most people, but it's likely illegal to drive after it. But I know others that you can tell they had a drink at one, and I seem to recall units of alcohol is absurdly small in British studies, like serving sizes that just are sold or served that way... Like 8oz of beer or something. Less than a proper single pint a day average would not be that much, and most people wouldn't be visibly drunk to their kids after 2 pints, let alone one.... So maybe this is about binge drinking? Like doing 12 of those during a football match... Which I can see why kids would notice.

A beer while cooking/eating dinner, and another once the kid's asleep. 2 beers over 3-4 hours. This would be tee-totaling in Czechia, but is pearl-clutchingly awful and destructive when living among the Protestants. 

It's probably worse to be drinking PSL's in front of the kids all day. Skews their understanding of the appropriate sugar intake for an adult


I had to Google PSL. Thanks for wasting a few bytes of memory forever with that one.

2 a day of Coors Light would be nothing. Two a day of my imperial porters would be more than is probably reasonable. So I have a bit of a skewed filter I guess.
 
2017-10-18 12:04:19 PM  
My kids are in their thirties and married.
One lives 400 miles away, the other lives 800 miles away.

If I have one cocktail tonight, how are they even going to find out about it, much less suffer as a result?
 
2017-10-18 12:09:46 PM  

Fano: Saiga410: You have got to love the brits.  Moderate drinking over there is visually drunk.   I would love to see heavy drinking.  Is teatotaling drinking two beers over the length of a football match?

The NHS describes having more than 5 units in a week or 2 in a sitting as "heavy drinking."


And that's the problem....there's a disconnect between what constitutes a "unit," the amount which that applies to in something like a single bottle/can of beer and the NHS and other health orgs.

That number though from the NHS is fairly new.  When they came out with it they were mocked pretty heavily for it as it is way out of line with every other group.  They took alot of heat and got called an extension of the "nanny state" for it.
 
2017-10-18 12:19:30 PM  
It's doing them a favour. If they see it as something bad, they won't do it as adults, right?

/ I certainly wish I'd never started
 
2017-10-18 12:22:01 PM  

JonZoidberg: 2 drinks a day?  Expensive habit,


Say what?
 
2017-10-18 12:31:20 PM  
Only if you go on to break the bottle over their head.

/kids are resilient
 
2017-10-18 12:32:11 PM  

meat0918: Maybe if the schools didn't tell kids one drink and they'll be an addict for life and it wouldn't upset the kids so much.


THIS!  A few years back when the kiddo was in 3rd/4th grade, the DARE program had my son practically brainwashed.  I probably average 1-1/2 alcohol drinks per week.  I had bought a six pack of Czechvar (the original "Budvar" that can't be sold under that name in the USA) because the Trader Joe's by me had it on sale and I had ONE with my dinner.

The next night, we went to a Thai restaurant and I needed to cut the spicy food a bit and likewise ordered a beer to go with dinner.  My son basically started something, just short of crying.  When we talked to him about it, he said that he was afraid I was becoming an alcoholic because the DARE program had taught him that if you drank on consecutive days that was a sure sign of your descent into dipsomania.

Man I was pissed.  I am far closer to a teetotaler than an alcoholic and don't do any illicit drugs (hell I won't even take prescription pain pills), yet they had my son convinced that I was bound for life in the gutter clutching at a bottle of booze.

BTW, if no one's seen it, you really need to watch Adam Ruins Everything's take on the DARE program and the font of misinformation that they spew.
 
2017-10-18 12:32:16 PM  

Foundling: My kids are in their thirties and married.
One lives 400 miles away, the other lives 800 miles away.

If I have one cocktail tonight, how are they even going to find out about it, much less suffer as a result?


Someone is spying on you.
 
2017-10-18 12:37:17 PM  
Asking for a friend, this Institute of Scolding would it also feature other types of punishment?
 
2017-10-18 12:38:06 PM  
Some of my fondest childhood memories are the big family barbeques we used to have.  There would be tons of food and beer and kids, and everyone would be loud and boisterous, and some drunk uncle would fall in the pool.  Those were so much fun.
 
2017-10-18 12:43:53 PM  
One unit?


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2017-10-18 01:06:05 PM  
I'm glad I can afford my overly expensive smokes and high end stouts and porters. My stepson is screwed up for reasons unrelated to my smoking and drinking.

/doing my best to love and guide him to be an honest and self-sufficient human
//I smoke outside
///smoking stinks
 
2017-10-18 01:13:44 PM  

To The Escape Zeppelin!: pikov.yndropov: Even moderate drinking by parents can upset children - study

STFU and GTFO with these "studies".

This whole thing sounds like more bullcrap from the prohibitionists at MADD.


http://www.ias.org.uk/Who-we-are.aspx
This is the group behind it.  Wierdly, not American, but apparently British drys who haven't learned from US folly.  I'd love to learn how they managed to get controls for "moderate drinking parents": I can't think of many teetotalers I'd like to have as a parent (ok, at least one AA member I know from the internet would make a good dad.  But that's pretty limited).
 
2017-10-18 01:25:49 PM  
I want my kid to grow up better than me.  Therefore he needs better role models than me.
 
2017-10-18 02:02:58 PM  
I don't think it's the drinking itself. I think it is that I taught the boy that whiskey, rum, and wine are his siblings and I love them all equally. He seems to think there should be very specific favoritism employed.
 
2017-10-18 02:26:45 PM  

Quantumbunny: Averaging two a day is pretty high a necessary baselinefor people with children, especially young ones.


Fixed, by a parent.
 
2017-10-18 02:33:51 PM  
My parents were poor.  I learned from them that I wanted not to be.  Worked out pretty well.

If my kids learn form me that a 6-pack a day is something to avoid, I'll be very proud of their decision(s).

Doesn't change the fact that I have a 6-pack waiting on me when I get home.
 
2017-10-18 02:51:11 PM  
FTFA. 11- and 12-year-olds described alcohol as "like sugar for adults" and said parents drink to "solve their problems".

Somebody's been feeding these kids their lines.
 
2017-10-18 02:58:31 PM  
It's right there in the article.
Alcohol is useful.

FTFA:
parents drink to "solve their problems".


The kids cause problems, the alcohol solves problems.
I don't get what the issue is.
And as for Katherine Brown, she can EABOD for saying:

It is worrying that the majority of parents reported being tipsy or drunk in front of their child. All parents strive to do what's best for their children, but this report has highlighted a troubling gap in their knowledge," said Katherine Brown, the IAS's chief executive.

I don't have "gaps in my knowledge".
I just don't strive to be a perfect person ALL THE TIME in front of my kids.
They know I'm not perfect.
Just like they won't be perfect parents either.
Just because I had five beers at Christmas and embarrassed my kids with my singing doesn't make me a bad person, or a bad parent.
Jesus, lighten up lady.

/She might have her uses.
// Shove a lump of coal up that ass.
/// Twixt, a diamond!
 
2017-10-18 03:09:41 PM  
"When unhappy people loosen their inhibitions they say mean things to each other, children pick up on that."

TFA in 1 sentence
 
2017-10-18 03:35:34 PM  
If I didn't drink, I never would have had my kid...

He should be grateful.
 
2017-10-18 04:40:25 PM  

relaxitsjustme: FTFA. 11- and 12-year-olds described alcohol as "like sugar for adults" and said parents drink to "solve their problems".

Somebody's been feeding these kids their lines.


Personal bias is hard in physical science, if you believe 5 GeV will produce unicorns farting rainbows, you will be proven wrong in short order.

In social science it's basically the standard process. There are rigorous studies out there, but they work best by being repeated by multiple unrelated teams. Any single study has a high enough chance of being wrong that they shouldn't ever do a press release. Frequently that single press release is a farting unicorn.
 
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