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2017-10-13 08:17:41 AM  
IMAGE 31 of 43
Rudy Habibe, from Puerto Rico, and his service dog Maximus walk toward a burning building at the Hilton Sonoma Wine Country hotel, where he was a guest, in Santa Rosa, Calif., Monday, Oct. 9, 2017.


Wow. Talk about "frying pan into the fire"
 
2017-10-13 09:22:11 AM  
Anyone have a link to the video, I just get a m3u8 cross domain access denied.
 
2017-10-13 09:27:25 AM  
How do you lose your car keys?! Doesn't everyone have a standard place they put them?
 
2017-10-13 09:29:37 AM  

Unobtanium: IMAGE 31 of 43
Rudy Habibe, from Puerto Rico, and his service dog Maximus walk toward a burning building at the Hilton Sonoma Wine Country hotel, where he was a guest, in Santa Rosa, Calif., Monday, Oct. 9, 2017.

Wow. Talk about "frying pan into the fire"


Can we have him move into a hotel a block away from Mar a lago?  There's maybe a chance...
 
2017-10-13 09:29:47 AM  
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2017-10-13 09:30:43 AM  
"If you ever drop your keys into a river of molten lava, let 'em go, because man, they're gone."

Jack Handy
 
2017-10-13 09:32:13 AM  
Look.  We're not going to be able to keep the firefighters there forever.  They knew how bad the fires were in CA before we got there.

See how stupid that sounds?
 
2017-10-13 09:33:01 AM  
I've driven through three wildfires, once just by chance and twice to pick up a trapped person or pet.  The amount of heat you feel even in the middle of a vehicle in the middle of a two lane road is impressive and very scary.  I was lucky enough to only have this happen during daylight which gave me better visibility so I could drive much faster than these people were forced to.

It's something you should try to avoid at all costs but if you ever get stuck the only thing you can do is go as fast as possible but not so fast that you crash because even a minor crash means you're farked, and hope like hell nothing is blocking the road.

Also don't tell the insurance adjuster that you willingly drove through the fire or you're paying for the paint job you're almost surely going to need.
 
2017-10-13 09:34:40 AM  

WilderKWight: How do you lose your car keys?! Doesn't everyone have a standard place they put them?


I came to ask this.  I get maybe setting them on the kitchen counter briefly after coming home from the store, but before I go to bed they're always on the hook next to the front door.

Absent that, if I knew there was a chance fire was coming my way, I'd have a bag packed and waiting in the car, with a bag by the front door of the stuff I use throughout the day or are too important to leave in the car (like computer, planner, the immigration documents the article referenced).

That way when the bang on the door comes, it's down the stairs, grab the bag and keys, and out the door we go.

Proper planning prevents poor performance and all that jazz.
 
2017-10-13 09:44:08 AM  

Thingster: WilderKWight: How do you lose your car keys?! Doesn't everyone have a standard place they put them?

I came to ask this.  I get maybe setting them on the kitchen counter briefly after coming home from the store, but before I go to bed they're always on the hook next to the front door.

Absent that, if I knew there was a chance fire was coming my way, I'd have a bag packed and waiting in the car, with a bag by the front door of the stuff I use throughout the day or are too important to leave in the car (like computer, planner, the immigration documents the article referenced).

That way when the bang on the door comes, it's down the stairs, grab the bag and keys, and out the door we go.

Proper planning prevents poor performance and all that jazz.


Now you have me wondering how quickly my wife and I could grab the important things if we had to evacuate IMMEDIATELY. Important documents are in two sturdy file boxes, a week's worth of freeze-dried meals (we camp/backpack) are right near the front door in the closet next to 3-4 gallons of water, and if time allows, the computer would be quick to grab. Also, 95% of the time, the car keys are on their little tray thing.
 
2017-10-13 09:44:28 AM  
I did a tour at Stags' Leap for my honeymoon. It was my favorite part of Napa Valley. Very sad to see it destroyed (slide 27 & 28).
 
2017-10-13 09:46:39 AM  

Thingster: WilderKWight: How do you lose your car keys?! Doesn't everyone have a standard place they put them?

I came to ask this.  I get maybe setting them on the kitchen counter briefly after coming home from the store, but before I go to bed they're always on the hook next to the front door.

Absent that, if I knew there was a chance fire was coming my way, I'd have a bag packed and waiting in the car, with a bag by the front door of the stuff I use throughout the day or are too important to leave in the car (like computer, planner, the immigration documents the article referenced).

That way when the bang on the door comes, it's down the stairs, grab the bag and keys, and out the door we go.

Proper planning prevents poor performance and all that jazz.


These people escaped the first night; the fires tore through the dry woods from a few sparks to over a hundred thousand acres collectively in just hours.
 
2017-10-13 09:46:59 AM  
As I tweeted a couple of days ago, it looks like a deleted scene from Dante's Peak
 
2017-10-13 09:48:50 AM  
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/just kidding
//that really, really sucks
 
2017-10-13 09:51:08 AM  
Smokey the Bear is disappoint.
 
2017-10-13 09:51:22 AM  

kittyhas1000legs: Now you have me wondering how quickly my wife and I could grab the important things if we had to evacuate IMMEDIATELY. Important documents are in two sturdy file boxes, a week's worth of freeze-dried meals (we camp/backpack) are right near the front door in the closet next to 3-4 gallons of water, and if time allows, the computer would be quick to grab. Also, 95% of the time, the car keys are on their little tray thing.


You sound pretty well prepared, even if it's mostly a coincidence. A true surprise evacuation is always possible, but for these assholes to suggest they had no idea there were fires in the area is ridiculous. If you're in Mendocino County now, or frankly probably any adjacent one, find your farking car keys NOW.

It was definitely not safe for them to drive where and when they did in that video - one of them expresses uncertainty about that during the video.
 
2017-10-13 09:54:37 AM  

WilderKWight: How do you lose your car keys?! Doesn't everyone have a standard place they put them?


No.  Sometimes they are in my pants pocket.  SOmetines  the coffee table because I took them out when couch lazing.  Sometime soon on my nightstand.

It's never much of a problem.  Every now and again I can't remember where I put them.

I imagine the frantic ness of fire coming down would make that a much less efficient search.

Looking for keys, knowing that if you can't find them you might die... that's terrifying.
 
2017-10-13 09:54:51 AM  
We lived through the 1989 Loma Prieta earthquake. Learned then and it was reinforced as we watched the Oakland Hills fire less than two years later: Always have a "Go-Bag (or Box)" ready w/important docs and special memories.

Ours holds copies of important docs (passports, birth certs, drivers' licenses) along w/our wedding photos and the kids' baby books. We've got water and canned & dried food, a propane stove and fuel, batteries, a crank radio and a first aid kit. Add pet food if you have any. Chances are that the authorities will prioritize taking care of human victims and it will be up to you to care for your pets. This conversation is reminding me that I can take the dog food out since we no longer have any pets.
 
2017-10-13 09:55:01 AM  

Thingster: Proper planning prevents poor performance and all that jazz.


The seven "P's". Proper Prior Planning Prevents Piss Poor Performance. Not a guarantee on the outcome but you have a better chance of a good outcome than someone who didn't look at it like that.
 
2017-10-13 09:55:02 AM  
May be a really stupid question but why don't they build their buildings with concrete/brick?  I imagine it's because wood is vastly more readily available, right?  I've only seen a few brick chimneys.

And I can understand that the intensity of these fires will burn pretty much anything but it seems like everything there is fire fuel.
 
2017-10-13 09:56:03 AM  

kittyhas1000legs: Thingster: WilderKWight: How do you lose your car keys?! Doesn't everyone have a standard place they put them?

I came to ask this.  I get maybe setting them on the kitchen counter briefly after coming home from the store, but before I go to bed they're always on the hook next to the front door.

Absent that, if I knew there was a chance fire was coming my way, I'd have a bag packed and waiting in the car, with a bag by the front door of the stuff I use throughout the day or are too important to leave in the car (like computer, planner, the immigration documents the article referenced).

That way when the bang on the door comes, it's down the stairs, grab the bag and keys, and out the door we go.

Proper planning prevents poor performance and all that jazz.

Now you have me wondering how quickly my wife and I could grab the important things if we had to evacuate IMMEDIATELY. Important documents are in two sturdy file boxes, a week's worth of freeze-dried meals (we camp/backpack) are right near the front door in the closet next to 3-4 gallons of water, and if time allows, the computer would be quick to grab. Also, 95% of the time, the car keys are on their little tray thing.


But the other five percent might be when the fire hits.
 
2017-10-13 09:58:02 AM  
Andre Epstein and Neda Monshat were caught off guard by the rapidly spreading wildfire in Mendocino County early Monday morning.

Not sure how you can be "caught off guard" that your county is on fire by an out of control rapidly spreading fire.
I live on the east coast and knew it was. If I actually lived in that county I be monitoring where that fire is 24/7 or just leave the county until it's out.
 
2017-10-13 09:58:58 AM  
The married couple quickly packed up their things, taking only the essentials: their dog Jango, their laptops, and some immigration paperwork. Monshat is Australian and is applying for American citizenship.

Five minutes later, a caravan of their neighbors was ready to leave. But the two couldn't find their car keys.
So they waved on their neighbors, telling them to go ahead, thinking they'd follow right behind.

Then began a 20 minute frantic search for the car keys, as high winds blew hot ash and embers into their front yard.

"The worst part wasn't the drive," said Monshat, though we'll get to that part in a minute. "It was looking for the keys. We looked up every few minutes and saw the fire blowing towards us."



G'aaaah. That is like every anxiety dream I ever had as a tightly-wound teenager. (Well, except for the ones where they discovered that due to a clerical error I had never finished kindergarten, so I had to go back and sit on the floor with all the five-year-olds and sing songs, otherwise they wouldn't give me my diploma.)
 
2017-10-13 09:59:53 AM  

OccamsWhiskers: kittyhas1000legs: Now you have me wondering how quickly my wife and I could grab the important things if we had to evacuate IMMEDIATELY. Important documents are in two sturdy file boxes, a week's worth of freeze-dried meals (we camp/backpack) are right near the front door in the closet next to 3-4 gallons of water, and if time allows, the computer would be quick to grab. Also, 95% of the time, the car keys are on their little tray thing.

You sound pretty well prepared, even if it's mostly a coincidence. A true surprise evacuation is always possible, but for these assholes to suggest they had no idea there were fires in the area is ridiculous. If you're in Mendocino County now, or frankly probably any adjacent one, find your farking car keys NOW.

It was definitely not safe for them to drive where and when they did in that video - one of them expresses uncertainty about that during the video.


They were woken up at 1:30 am.  The fires started Sunday night at 10.

So, no, unless they had obama's time machine, they didn't know about any fires.

'Assholes?'  For fark's sake, Fark
 
2017-10-13 10:00:03 AM  

Thingster: WilderKWight: How do you lose your car keys?! Doesn't everyone have a standard place they put them?

I came to ask this.  I get maybe setting them on the kitchen counter briefly after coming home from the store, but before I go to bed they're always on the hook next to the front door.

Absent that, if I knew there was a chance fire was coming my way, I'd have a bag packed and waiting in the car, with a bag by the front door of the stuff I use throughout the day or are too important to leave in the car (like computer, planner, the immigration documents the article referenced).

That way when the bang on the door comes, it's down the stairs, grab the bag and keys, and out the door we go.

Proper planning prevents poor performance and all that jazz.


People didn't get that much warning Sunday night/ early Monday morning. A lot of them were asleep, and for the fire to get where it was from where it started as soon as it did, the fire was moving damned fast. In the chaos of a hasty evacuation, I can see how someone might manage to set their keys down someplace stupid while gathering up other items.
 
2017-10-13 10:03:00 AM  

apotheosis27: May be a really stupid question but why don't they build their buildings with concrete/brick?  I imagine it's because wood is vastly more readily available, right?  I've only seen a few brick chimneys.

And I can understand that the intensity of these fires will burn pretty much anything but it seems like everything there is fire fuel.


Earthquakes. Wood buildings will flex but won't usually collapse. Concrete and brick won't flex but they will bury you under tons of debris all at once. It is what it is.
 
2017-10-13 10:03:32 AM  

apotheosis27: May be a really stupid question but why don't they build their buildings with concrete/brick?  I imagine it's because wood is vastly more readily available, right?  I've only seen a few brick chimneys.

And I can understand that the intensity of these fires will burn pretty much anything but it seems like everything there is fire fuel.


Well it likely wouldn't save your life if you were trapped inside during a fire, wouldn't slow the fire even a little, and would be ugly and expensive to boot.
 
2017-10-13 10:03:57 AM  

apotheosis27: May be a really stupid question but why don't they build their buildings with concrete/brick?  I imagine it's because wood is vastly more readily available, right?  I've only seen a few brick chimneys.

And I can understand that the intensity of these fires will burn pretty much anything but it seems like everything there is fire fuel.


Earthquake country is not kind to brick houses.
 
2017-10-13 10:05:42 AM  

Thingster: WilderKWight: How do you lose your car keys?! Doesn't everyone have a standard place they put them?

I came to ask this.  I get maybe setting them on the kitchen counter briefly after coming home from the store, but before I go to bed they're always on the hook next to the front door.

Absent that, if I knew there was a chance fire was coming my way, I'd have a bag packed and waiting in the car, with a bag by the front door of the stuff I use throughout the day or are too important to leave in the car (like computer, planner, the immigration documents the article referenced).

That way when the bang on the door comes, it's down the stairs, grab the bag and keys, and out the door we go.

Proper planning prevents poor performance and all that jazz.


I have two designated key trays. One next to the front door and one in my room in case I am too tired to remember to take the keys out of my pockets but instead go straight to my room and take off my uncomfortable work clothes so I can pass out. So I only have to check two places for keys.

I know anyone reading this was dying to learn this about me.
 
2017-10-13 10:07:47 AM  
Ye gods and little fishes...
 
2017-10-13 10:08:27 AM  
We have a week's worth of food/water/meds/dog food in our van. Keys in my pants or on the night-stand, never anywhere else. Important papers in a fire safe under the bed. We're more concerned about The Big One, than fires; so, unless one of our neighbor's dying trees drops on the van, or the earthe opens under it, we are ready.

/driven through a forest fire. Exciting in a bad way.
 
2017-10-13 10:09:33 AM  

WilderKWight: How do you lose your car keys?! Doesn't everyone have a standard place they put them?


ADHD arsehole.

/There's at least 6 standard places to put them.
 
2017-10-13 10:09:50 AM  

Momzilla59: apotheosis27: May be a really stupid question but why don't they build their buildings with concrete/brick?  I imagine it's because wood is vastly more readily available, right?  I've only seen a few brick chimneys.

And I can understand that the intensity of these fires will burn pretty much anything but it seems like everything there is fire fuel.

Earthquake country is not kind to brick houses.


And fire isn't kind to wooden homes.  Homes made of mud anyone?  Can call it "California Grandeur" if it helps you swallow the $350,000 price tag.  Oh yeah.  Well, maybe another drought will happen.  Let you get a few bites in to the mortgage.
 
2017-10-13 10:11:25 AM  
I loved that area! 😞I have family who used to live in Calistoga. My sister's in-laws sold their home a few years ago. My sister raised her kids there. Her husband grew up there. Fortunately, they moved away. But some dear friends of theirs who remained had gone on vacation to celebrate the husband's birthday. They do not have a home to return to. But they're more worried about their animals. They had heard they're okay, but not sure.
 
2017-10-13 10:13:38 AM  
So, that's what happens when a Hellmouth is allowed to open.
 
2017-10-13 10:14:39 AM  
Wow that is a hell of a lot of burnt houses and buildings.  America really has been taking a beating of late.
 
2017-10-13 10:14:43 AM  

apotheosis27: May be a really stupid question but why don't they build their buildings with concrete/brick?  I imagine it's because wood is vastly more readily available, right?  I've only seen a few brick chimneys.

And I can understand that the intensity of these fires will burn pretty much anything but it seems like everything there is fire fuel.


Because of earthquakes.

In the event of an earthquake, having the flexibility of wood prevents the breakage you see with brick and concrete.
 
2017-10-13 10:14:44 AM  
Looking through the slideshow, I'm like, "War.  War never changes."
 
2017-10-13 10:14:51 AM  

foxyshadis: Thingster: WilderKWight: How do you lose your car keys?! Doesn't everyone have a standard place they put them?

I came to ask this.  I get maybe setting them on the kitchen counter briefly after coming home from the store, but before I go to bed they're always on the hook next to the front door.

Absent that, if I knew there was a chance fire was coming my way, I'd have a bag packed and waiting in the car, with a bag by the front door of the stuff I use throughout the day or are too important to leave in the car (like computer, planner, the immigration documents the article referenced).

That way when the bang on the door comes, it's down the stairs, grab the bag and keys, and out the door we go.

Proper planning prevents poor performance and all that jazz.

These people escaped the first night; the fires tore through the dry woods from a few sparks to over a hundred thousand acres collectively in just hours.


If you stay ready you don't have to get ready.
 
2017-10-13 10:15:50 AM  

apotheosis27: May be a really stupid question but why don't they build their buildings with concrete/brick?  I imagine it's because wood is vastly more readily available, right?  I've only seen a few brick chimneys.

And I can understand that the intensity of these fires will burn pretty much anything but it seems like everything there is fire fuel.


Earthquakes bro.  In CA the third pig gets killed and the second laughs.

/Marin county resident.  Really smokey and really scary right now.
 
2017-10-13 10:18:25 AM  

Harry Freakstorm: Momzilla59: apotheosis27: May be a really stupid question but why don't they build their buildings with concrete/brick?  I imagine it's because wood is vastly more readily available, right?  I've only seen a few brick chimneys.

And I can understand that the intensity of these fires will burn pretty much anything but it seems like everything there is fire fuel.

Earthquake country is not kind to brick houses.

And fire isn't kind to wooden homes.  Homes made of mud anyone?  Can call it "California Grandeur" if it helps you swallow the $350,000 price tag.  Oh yeah.  Well, maybe another drought will happen.  Let you get a few bites in to the mortgage.


- A house for $350k in CA is likely located in a slum.

- If you have proper insurance, you might end up being financially better off after a fire. The Oakland Firestorm of 1991 created some millionaires due to the high costs associated with rebuilding, albeit at a horrific cost to them and their neighbors.

- California is a non-recourse state. If you haven't taken out equity, you can mail in the keys and they can't come after you for deficiency judgements.
 
2017-10-13 10:19:56 AM  

kittyhas1000legs: Thingster: WilderKWight: How do you lose your car keys?! Doesn't everyone have a standard place they put them?

I came to ask this.  I get maybe setting them on the kitchen counter briefly after coming home from the store, but before I go to bed they're always on the hook next to the front door.

Absent that, if I knew there was a chance fire was coming my way, I'd have a bag packed and waiting in the car, with a bag by the front door of the stuff I use throughout the day or are too important to leave in the car (like computer, planner, the immigration documents the article referenced).

That way when the bang on the door comes, it's down the stairs, grab the bag and keys, and out the door we go.

Proper planning prevents poor performance and all that jazz.

Now you have me wondering how quickly my wife and I could grab the important things if we had to evacuate IMMEDIATELY. Important documents are in two sturdy file boxes, a week's worth of freeze-dried meals (we camp/backpack) are right near the front door in the closet next to 3-4 gallons of water, and if time allows, the computer would be quick to grab. Also, 95% of the time, the car keys are on their little tray thing.


It's that 5% that farks you up. Just went through this early in the week actually. Spare key to my car wasn't where it was supposed to be. Turned the apartment inside out looking for it.

Wound up that it had gotten left in my girlfriend's car by accident, which never happens because it's always left on the cabinet by the dinner table.
 
2017-10-13 10:20:34 AM  

G.I. Pendejoe: WilderKWight: How do you lose your car keys?! Doesn't everyone have a standard place they put them?

ADHD arsehole.

/There's at least 6 standard places to put them.


Plus, stress makes you duuuuummmmmbbb. If you really want to be ready for disaster, you need to think up a plan, and then pretend that plan must be followed to the letter by someone 10x dumber than you. Also, Disaster You will have less sleep, worse motor coordination, and a weaker immune system.
 
2017-10-13 10:23:35 AM  

Walker: Andre Epstein and Neda Monshat were caught off guard by the rapidly spreading wildfire in Mendocino County early Monday morning.

Not sure how you can be "caught off guard" that your county is on fire by an out of control rapidly spreading fire.
I live on the east coast and knew it was. If I actually lived in that county I be monitoring where that fire is 24/7 or just leave the county until it's out.


Not on Sunday, you weren't.

The fires started while most people were asleep and swept very quickly through a large area. That's a big reason why there have been so many deaths.
 
2017-10-13 10:24:26 AM  

gar1013: apotheosis27: May be a really stupid question but why don't they build their buildings with concrete/brick?  I imagine it's because wood is vastly more readily available, right?  I've only seen a few brick chimneys.

And I can understand that the intensity of these fires will burn pretty much anything but it seems like everything there is fire fuel.

Because of earthquakes.

In the event of an earthquake, having the flexibility of wood prevents the breakage you see with brick and concrete.


This is how you do it:
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http://www.baldwinobryan.com/bush-fire-resistant-houses.html
 
2017-10-13 10:25:22 AM  

sweatybronson: OccamsWhiskers: kittyhas1000legs: Now you have me wondering how quickly my wife and I could grab the important things if we had to evacuate IMMEDIATELY. Important documents are in two sturdy file boxes, a week's worth of freeze-dried meals (we camp/backpack) are right near the front door in the closet next to 3-4 gallons of water, and if time allows, the computer would be quick to grab. Also, 95% of the time, the car keys are on their little tray thing.

You sound pretty well prepared, even if it's mostly a coincidence. A true surprise evacuation is always possible, but for these assholes to suggest they had no idea there were fires in the area is ridiculous. If you're in Mendocino County now, or frankly probably any adjacent one, find your farking car keys NOW.

It was definitely not safe for them to drive where and when they did in that video - one of them expresses uncertainty about that during the video.

They were woken up at 1:30 am.  The fires started Sunday night at 10.

So, no, unless they had obama's time machine, they didn't know about any fires.

'Assholes?'  For fark's sake, Fark


There have been tens of thousands of acres burning out of control within about 50 miles of them all week long. Their geography and fire danger is basically identical to these spots. Dozens of people have been killed, thousands of structures destroyed.

But they shouldn't even think about how they'd evacuate? I'm a thousand miles away and it made me think through my 2 minute plan to GTFO.
 
2017-10-13 10:27:32 AM  
gatlinburg fire - michael luciano's escape video
Youtube FMnkmlrJ9GA

nothing compared to the Gatlinburg fire video last year
 
2017-10-13 10:27:43 AM  

gar1013: - A house for $350k in CA is likely located in a slum.


You sound white.

/as you long as you don't live on the coasts or in the Bay Area - lots of housing to be had for $350k.
 
2017-10-13 10:29:42 AM  

Harry Freakstorm: Homes made of mud anyone?


Stucco (which is essentially the same as mud) is common as an exterior coating in California but it's not a guarantee against fire, it's a stopgap to try and keep a fire from hopping from house to house. A tile roof also helps but again, not a guaranteed fire prevention solution.
 
2017-10-13 10:33:19 AM  

apotheosis27: May be a really stupid question but why don't they build their buildings with concrete/brick?  I imagine it's because wood is vastly more readily available, right?  I've only seen a few brick chimneys.

And I can understand that the intensity of these fires will burn pretty much anything but it seems like everything there is fire fuel.


Brick is dangerous in earthquakes and is basically never used as a building material (beyond chimneys) in California.  Concrete I suppose is possible.  Most houses in California are wooden with stucco exteriors.
 
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