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(Independent)   GOP members of Congress know Trump is batshiat crazy. But are waiting to get the tax bill through before starting impeachment proceedings   ( independent.co.uk) divider line
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2017-10-13 02:33:12 AM  
We may end up living in an irradiated hellscape, but at least rich people will have lower taxes.
 
2017-10-13 03:42:20 AM  
So you're saying he'll be Eternal President then?
 
2017-10-13 04:26:49 AM  
You can raise my taxes quite a bit if it means this abomination gets impeached.
 
2017-10-13 05:16:41 AM  
"But, hey, we got tax reform passed"

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2017-10-13 05:32:37 AM  
Drumpf's not just a moron. He's a despicable human being.

The precise words I've been using for two years.
 
2017-10-13 06:08:05 AM  
Scared to hell but still rolling them dice for more money.
 
2017-10-13 06:10:05 AM  
FTA:

When asked what would happen if Republican leadership said Mr Trump was unfit to serve, the former senator said: "Bingo! The emperor has no clothes. It's a signal to everyone they can bail. Have to bail to save their skins.

If you are waiting on McConnell and Ryan to do something, you will be waiting a long time.
 
2017-10-13 06:11:43 AM  
When faced with the prospect of nuclear war started by the insane asshole they helped put in power, the GOP still can't just take it on the chin and get rid of him. It's not even party before country at this point, it's party before the entire goddamn planet.
 
2017-10-13 06:12:50 AM  
Also FTA:

"No, no. They're worried as hell. They're also worried about Trump crazies, all the ignoramuses he's stirred up."

Which is why he keeps holding these goddamn rallies.  The longer you take, the worse it is going to get.  Scrap your farking tax bill and save the mother farking country. you farking snakes.
 
2017-10-13 06:14:14 AM  
They have zero shame or morals.
 
2017-10-13 06:14:56 AM  
If anything (and if this is true), it only makes the GOP look less reasonable.  If they really are worried about Trump causing a mass-casualty event, but are intentionally letting him retain the power to cause such an event just to get taxes lowered for rich people (or anyone really---even reducing income inequality, much as I'd love to see that done, isn't worth risking nuclear war), then they're worse than he is.

He's a deplorable, stupid, malignant person who probably doesn't realize what a piece of shiat he is.  The people who DO realize he's a piece of shiat are the ones with a duty to act, and they're NOT.
 
2017-10-13 06:15:10 AM  
Yeah, that doesn't make a lot of sense. Pretty sure Pence would be a more reliable ally in this endevour.
 
2017-10-13 06:17:23 AM  
This just shows how little regard the Republican Party has for the country's well-being. They would rather deal with having an insane moron as President a little while longer, if it means they can get something... anything... actually accomplished before the mid-terms. In a Federal Government where they control the House, Senate, and WH. They should, in theory, be able to pass plenty of legislation under this scenario, but they can't even keep their own Party Extremists in line long enough to do so. Instead, they try to pass a massive tax cut for the Rich, and let the Moron President drag us closer and closer to war, because they have to get at least that piece of legislation passed, or their donors will be angry at them.

Know what? That runs really close to Treason, by knowingly let their President cause irreparable harm to the country and his office, and deliberately failing to act to stop him. They are complicit with whatever harmful deeds this President does while in office, and will be remembered in history as villains and craven fools.
 
2017-10-13 06:17:53 AM  

Glitchwerks: Also FTA:

"No, no. They're worried as hell. They're also worried about Trump crazies, all the ignoramuses he's stirred up."

Which is why he keeps holding these goddamn rallies.  The longer you take, the worse it is going to get.  Scrap your farking tax bill and save the mother farking country. you farking snakes.


And let's be clear: they had a chance to nip this in the bud before it got out of hand.  They could have disqualified him from running in the GOP primary on any number of grounds.  They could have changed their convention rules to stop him from being the nominee.  They didn't want to do that because they didn't want to lose those "ignoramuses" for their legislative and state-level seats.  They were secretly hoping that Hillary would win but the ignoramuses would drive continued opposition to her just like they did with Obama, and it's all backfired spectacularly.

They could have fixed this.  They could have run JEB:(  But they didn't.
 
2017-10-13 06:20:25 AM  

HMS_Blinkin: If they really are worried about Trump causing a mass-casualty event, but are intentionally letting him retain the power to cause such an event just to get taxes lowered for rich people (or anyone really---even reducing income inequality, much as I'd love to see that done, isn't worth risking nuclear war), then they're worse than he is.


Some in the press need to start questioning these a-holes about their dereliction and possible legacy after an attack by 45*.
 
2017-10-13 06:21:21 AM  
Also, why do they need Trump anymore?  Pence would sign the shiat they pass even more reliably, if anything.  Why shouldn't the GOP 25th Trump's ass, get him out of there ASAP, then ram through their deplorable legislation with Pence signing it as fast as he can?  They'd piss off Trump's base in the short run, but those people are stupid and forgetful.  By the time 2018 rolls around, they can point to how much stuff they got done and have a pretty good chance of not losing many seats.
 
2017-10-13 06:22:18 AM  

MrPleasant: Yeah, that doesn't make a lot of sense. Pretty sure Pence would be a more reliable ally in this endevour.


When Mueller's report comes down, and the US Marshal's are kicking in doors and arresting people, VP Pense will likely be among those gaining a new, shiny set of bracelets. As the head of the Transition team, he will be found to have been involved with the attempts to set up secret, backdoor communication channels with the Russians, at the very least.
 
2017-10-13 06:24:23 AM  

MrPleasant: Yeah, that doesn't make a lot of sense. Pretty sure Pence would be a more reliable ally in this endevour.


This!

It seems with Pence they'll get a lot of what they want and not have to deal with the daily Trump drama.

At this point there is no reason to keep Trump on.
 
2017-10-13 06:24:51 AM  

Mad Scientist: Drumpf's not just a moron. He's a despicable human being.

The precise words I've been using for two years.


I'm not sure I'd go so far as human. Carbon based life form seems more appropriate.
 
2017-10-13 06:25:25 AM  

MmmmBacon: MrPleasant: Yeah, that doesn't make a lot of sense. Pretty sure Pence would be a more reliable ally in this endevour.

When Mueller's report comes down, and the US Marshal's are kicking in doors and arresting people, VP Pense will likely be among those gaining a new, shiny set of bracelets. As the head of the Transition team, he will be found to have been involved with the attempts to set up secret, backdoor communication channels with the Russians, at the very least.


That process will take time, though.  If Pence getting arrested is inevitable, why not 25th Trump (which the GOP could do very quickly if they felt like it) and then ram through all the tax bills and Obamacare repeals?  Mueller's investigation is likely to go on for more months at a minimum, so there would be a good window for them to get stuff done.

I guess their only reason for inaction at this point is to avoid pissing off the true believers that Trump has riled up.  Lots of risk for getting primaried by a Trumper.
 
2017-10-13 06:25:51 AM  

MrPleasant: Yeah, that doesn't make a lot of sense. Pretty sure Pence would be a more reliable ally in this endevour.


This.
This this this this this.
THIS.


But what Pence won't do is to reliably distract the press while the votes are taken.
 
2017-10-13 06:25:59 AM  

HMS_Blinkin: Also, why do they need Trump anymore?  Pence would sign the shiat they pass even more reliably, if anything.  Why shouldn't the GOP 25th Trump's ass, get him out of there ASAP, then ram through their deplorable legislation with Pence signing it as fast as he can?  They'd piss off Trump's base in the short run, but those people are stupid and forgetful.  By the time 2018 rolls around, they can point to how much stuff they got done and have a pretty good chance of not losing many seats.


Trump was elected 1 term early....

They are scared of 2020 census and want more state control of districts / state legislatures.
 
2017-10-13 06:27:29 AM  
Yertle and Paul the Wimp aren't going to do shiat.
 
2017-10-13 06:27:53 AM  

HMS_Blinkin: They could have fixed this.  They could have run JEB:(  But they didn't.


They could have run a rotting turnip, for that matter. The Republicans wanted Hillary to win, because she is essentially a Centerist, pro-Corporate candidate. She was the ideal candidate for Establishment Republicans, but instead of basically throwing the election, they chose to try to throw it by running a failed Reality Show host and proven racist, misogynistic, psychotic idiot. Unfortunately, they failed to recognize how this Idiot of theirs empowered so many of the ugliest factions of the Republican base.

In short, they should have gone with the Turnip.
 
2017-10-13 06:28:44 AM  
Dictatorial_Flair:  ...It's not even party before country at this point, it's party before the entire goddamn planet.

The 1% serves the 1%.  That's it.
 
2017-10-13 06:29:33 AM  

HMS_Blinkin: Lots of risk for getting primaried by a Trumper.


Bannon is planning to Primary every GOP Congress-critter and Senator, except for The Zodiac Killer, so they literally have nothing to lose.
 
2017-10-13 06:31:35 AM  

JulieAzel626: MrPleasant: Yeah, that doesn't make a lot of sense. Pretty sure Pence would be a more reliable ally in this endevour.

This!

It seems with Pence they'll get a lot of what they want and not have to deal with the daily Trump drama.

At this point there is no reason to keep Trump on.


Fear of Trump's base is keeping them in line.

There's going to be violence; that is inevitable now.  The only questions is how great the violence is.

Trump is systematically weakening minorities and other groups.  He's removing people from the military who would stand against oppression.

A rebellion from Trump supporters or the entire rest of the country fighting for their lives from a brutal authoritarian government.  Which do you want to choose at this point, Republicans?
 
2017-10-13 06:35:48 AM  

HMS_Blinkin: They could have fixed this.  They could have run JEB:(  But they didn't.


JEB! had all the staying power of a pig slowly turning on a spit. His campaign had beige and fluorescent lighting in its soul. Even his supporters were ponderous and lethargic about the whole thing, if he'd been inaugurated the Capital Mall would've been home to the most realistic zombie walk in living memory. All the downticket turds would've gotten flushed with him, even going up against The Devil Herself. The ten or twelve gorillionaires who filled his much-vaunted "war chest" would have been better served by getting together and having a money bonfire, even if he had won the nomination amid cue cards telling people when to applaud.

Trump, despite being all that is vile in man congealed into the world's oldest two year old, offered a way to sip from the forbidden Fountain of Derp. Just one drink, The Republican Establishment thought. We'll show JEB! We'll play "just the tip" with a demographic that foams at the mouth whenever the TV says a dummycrat likes spicy mustard. Nothing could possibly go wrong.
 
2017-10-13 06:37:07 AM  

MrPleasant: Yeah, that doesn't make a lot of sense. Pretty sure Pence would be a more reliable ally in this endevour.


It does. Any politician worth anything would be worried that removing Trump would so embroil the party in battles and focus national attention on that process and its aftermath that nothing would get done before 2018 when they would likely get trounced at the polls due to the impeachment.

It's logical. That said, it's also deeply immoral if they really are as scared of the man as the article suggests.
 
2017-10-13 06:40:24 AM  
That's the dumbest farking article I've ever read.
 
2017-10-13 06:43:29 AM  

MrPleasant: Yeah, that doesn't make a lot of sense. Pretty sure Pence would be a more reliable ally in this endevour.


^this

They are terrified of his merry band of morons. We are so screwed.
 
2017-10-13 06:55:21 AM  
Erotic political fan-fiction.
 
2017-10-13 07:04:55 AM  

HMS_Blinkin: Also, why do they need Trump anymore?  Pence would sign the shiat they pass even more reliably, if anything.  Why shouldn't the GOP 25th Trump's ass, get him out of there ASAP, then ram through their deplorable legislation with Pence signing it as fast as he can?  They'd piss off Trump's base in the short run, but those people are stupid and forgetful.  By the time 2018 rolls around, they can point to how much stuff they got done and have a pretty good chance of not losing many seats.


Because you can't farking "get him out of there" with the 25th unless he's literally incapacitated.

I swear to god, no one reads past the first paragraph of section 4.
 
2017-10-13 07:06:13 AM  
So GOP stands for group of pussies.  Got it.
 
2017-10-13 07:11:57 AM  

orangehat: So GOP stands for group of pussies.  Got it.


Grand Old Pirates.
 
2017-10-13 07:16:41 AM  

qorkfiend: HMS_Blinkin: Also, why do they need Trump anymore?  Pence would sign the shiat they pass even more reliably, if anything.  Why shouldn't the GOP 25th Trump's ass, get him out of there ASAP, then ram through their deplorable legislation with Pence signing it as fast as he can?  They'd piss off Trump's base in the short run, but those people are stupid and forgetful.  By the time 2018 rolls around, they can point to how much stuff they got done and have a pretty good chance of not losing many seats.

Because you can't farking "get him out of there" with the 25th unless he's literally incapacitated.

I swear to god, no one reads past the first paragraph of section 4.


Not sure where you're seeing that at all.

2nd paragraph:
Thereafter, when the President transmits to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives his written declaration that no inability exists, he shall resume the powers and duties of his office unless the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive department or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit within four days to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office. Thereupon Congress shall decide the issue, assembling within forty-eight hours for that purpose if not in session. If the Congress, within twenty-one days after receipt of the latter written declaration, or, if Congress is not in session, within twenty-one days after Congress is required to assemble, determines by two-thirds vote of both Houses that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall continue to discharge the same as Acting President; otherwise, the President shall resume the powers and duties of his office.

There's no requirement to be "incapacitated" in there.  All it says is that the VP and other executive officers need to put in writing that the president is "unable" to do the job.  It doesn't specify what that means.  "Because he's too crazy/stupid to do the job" would be just as valid as "because he's in a coma" as long as the right people are on board with it and you get 2/3rds of both houses to agree.

I'm sure it would be challenged, but that wording is pretty open to multiple definitions of "unable."
 
2017-10-13 07:16:42 AM  

qorkfiend: Because you can't farking "get him out of there" with the 25th unless he's literally incapacitated.


Fine, turn off all the cameras, have everyone leave the room, and have General Kelly take Lucille to his head.

Oopsie!  He tripped and hit his head on the desk!

Oh, he woke  up with severe brain damage and is unable to function?

Problem solved.

/I'm not serious, Secret Service.
 
2017-10-13 07:24:04 AM  
As much as Trump is a dagerous bastard, I'm not convinced using the 25th is the right decision. However, if we are actually faced with mass death from nuclear war, it's probably best we use any means at our disposal to stop it, no matter what its original intent was.
 
2017-10-13 07:24:11 AM  
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2017-10-13 07:27:16 AM  

MmmmBacon: MrPleasant: Yeah, that doesn't make a lot of sense. Pretty sure Pence would be a more reliable ally in this endevour.

When Mueller's report comes down, and the US Marshal's are kicking in doors and arresting people, VP Pense will likely be among those gaining a new, shiny set of bracelets. As the head of the Transition team, he will be found to have been involved with the attempts to set up secret, backdoor communication channels with the Russians, at the very least.


That's still going to take months.  And all the legislation that Pence signs will still be on the books.
 
2017-10-13 07:30:47 AM  

MmmmBacon: MrPleasant: Yeah, that doesn't make a lot of sense. Pretty sure Pence would be a more reliable ally in this endevour.

When Mueller's report comes down, and the US Marshal's are kicking in doors and arresting people, VP Pense will likely be among those gaining a new, shiny set of bracelets. As the head of the Transition team, he will be found to have been involved with the attempts to set up secret, backdoor communication channels with the Russians, at the very least.


So much for not sucking each other's dicks quite yet.
 
2017-10-13 07:32:41 AM  

JulieAzel626: MrPleasant: Yeah, that doesn't make a lot of sense. Pretty sure Pence would be a more reliable ally in this endevour.

This!

It seems with Pence they'll get a lot of what they want and not have to deal with the daily Trump drama.

At this point there is no reason to keep Trump on.


Saying trump is crazy and then doing the things he pushed for may not look too good.

Perhaps a few of our representatives are concerned about that.
 
2017-10-13 07:34:32 AM  

MrPleasant: Yeah, that doesn't make a lot of sense. Pretty sure Pence would be a more reliable ally in this endevour.


If they impeach the guy who signed off on a really bad tax package, they get to shrug the shoulders and blame Trump when bad things start to happen as a result.

If Pence signs of on it, there is no fall guy.
 
2017-10-13 07:41:37 AM  

GoldSpider: Erotic political fan-fiction.


Teapot lanyard porridge-veneer.
 
2017-10-13 07:48:29 AM  

Glitchwerks: FTA:

When asked what would happen if Republican leadership said Mr Trump was unfit to serve, the former senator said: "Bingo! The emperor has no clothes. It's a signal to everyone they can bail. Have to bail to save their skins.

If you are waiting on McConnell and Ryan to do something, you will be waiting a long time.


The "liberal Koch", who apparently isn't Soros (Sooooorrrrrroooooooos!) has indicated impeaching trump is the top priority of anyone he's funding for congressional elections next year. God willing we can restore a bit of sanity and balance to this shiat show and get the process started.

This stain should mark the R party for a century.
 
2017-10-13 07:50:20 AM  

Glitchwerks: Also FTA:

"No, no. They're worried as hell. They're also worried about Trump crazies, all the ignoramuses he's stirred up."

Which is why he keeps holding these goddamn rallies.  The longer you take, the worse it is going to get.  Scrap your farking tax bill and save the mother farking country. you farking snakes.


Hell - I know Pence will be the lamest duck of all time but he would still sign whatever tax bill congress delivers. I don't see why they'd even have to scrap it. Or even table it longer than the process to impeach.
 
2017-10-13 07:50:55 AM  

MrPleasant: Yeah, that doesn't make a lot of sense. Pretty sure Pence would be a more reliable ally in this endevour.


Aaaaand I should have kept reading just a few more posts.
 
2017-10-13 07:58:50 AM  

HMS_Blinkin: qorkfiend: HMS_Blinkin: Also, why do they need Trump anymore?  Pence would sign the shiat they pass even more reliably, if anything.  Why shouldn't the GOP 25th Trump's ass, get him out of there ASAP, then ram through their deplorable legislation with Pence signing it as fast as he can?  They'd piss off Trump's base in the short run, but those people are stupid and forgetful.  By the time 2018 rolls around, they can point to how much stuff they got done and have a pretty good chance of not losing many seats.

Because you can't farking "get him out of there" with the 25th unless he's literally incapacitated.

I swear to god, no one reads past the first paragraph of section 4.

Not sure where you're seeing that at all.

2nd paragraph:
Thereafter, when the President transmits to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives his written declaration that no inability exists, he shall resume the powers and duties of his office unless the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive department or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit within four days to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office. Thereupon Congress shall decide the issue, assembling within forty-eight hours for that purpose if not in session. If the Congress, within twenty-one days after receipt of the latter written declaration, or, if Congress is not in session, within twenty-one days after Congress is required to assemble, determines by two-thirds vote of both Houses that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall continue to discharge the same as Acting President; otherwise, the President shall resume the powers and duties of his office.

There's no requirement to be "incapacitated" in there.  All it says is that the VP and other executive officers need to put in writing that the president is "unable" to do the job.  It doesn't specify what that means.  "Because he's too crazy/stupid to do the job" would be just as valid as "because he's in a coma" as long as the right people are on board with it and you get 2/3rds of both houses to agree.

I'm sure it would be challenged, but that wording is pretty open to multiple definitions of "unable."


"Unable" means "incapacitated", as in "physically unable". A President who is physically able is going to immediately contest their finding and resume being President (and fire all the Cabinet officers who voted for it). If somehow there still exists a majority of the Cabinet who will vote to send it to Congress, you have to get two thirds in both Houses - a higher bar than impeachment - to remove the President permanently.

If you have two thirds in both houses who will vote to remove the President, why are you farking using the 25th amendment instead of impeaching the farker?

The 25th amendment is not for the adversarial, politically motivated removal of the President. It is to provide explicit Constitutional authority to the VP in the event that the President is physically (or mentally) incapacitated but not dead.
 
2017-10-13 08:01:19 AM  
So even if 45 gets impeached, it won't fix anything.  The entire Party of Treason needs to be neutralized.
 
2017-10-13 08:03:11 AM  

MrPleasant: Yeah, that doesn't make a lot of sense. Pretty sure Pence would be a more reliable ally in this endevour.


This.
They aren't holding waiting until the tax bill gets passed, they are afraid of being challenged for their seats.
Now that Bannon has said he's going find/back challengers maybe they'll grow a pair

lol
 
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