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(MSN)   So why did the Vikings have 'Allah' on their clothes? That's nobody's business but the Turks'   ( msn.com) divider line
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2017-10-12 07:57:59 AM  
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2017-10-12 08:12:41 AM  

Exluddite: [encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com image 284x177]


Came here to post the same but more obscure.
 
2017-10-12 08:30:31 AM  

UberDave: Exluddite: [encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com image 284x177]

Came here to post the same but more obscure.


Came here to post the same but only Relatively Obscure.
 
2017-10-12 08:52:48 AM  
This entire thread is going to be Antonio Banderas jokes, isn't it?
 
2017-10-12 08:53:50 AM  
Its well known that the Vikings had regular trade with the Islamic world, its not surprising that some of them may have converted.  Also, you had the Varangian Guard who served the Byzantine Emperor, and would have had frequent interactions with Islam.  Also, Allah is simply the Arabic word for God, and was used by Arabic Christians long before Islam even existed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Varangians#Islamic_world

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Varangian_Guard
 
2017-10-12 08:53:57 AM  
Men in Burka - Click Click Click
Youtube jTxAi6w_2ic
 
2017-10-12 08:53:58 AM  
I was hoping a Nike NFL jersey had some messed up pattern or something. The uproar would have been magnificent.
 
2017-10-12 08:57:08 AM  

randomscribbles: This entire thread is going to be Antonio Banderas jokes, isn't it?


Until we all come down with the soup illness, yes.
 
2017-10-12 08:57:11 AM  
Ya know, a lot of Vikings went to the Byzantine empire as traders, mercenaries, and pirates/raiders.  There, they would have encountered Muslims, Muslim traders, Muslim mercenaries, and had opportunities to pilfer loot from defeated Muslim towns and raiding parties.  We should not be surprised that some Norse trader or mercenary brought back the 10th century equivalent of a Hawaiian Shirt.  The lettering on this belt may be Ali-Allah, but the meaning is probably closer to "My brother went to Byzantium and all he got me was this lousy belt".
 
2017-10-12 09:01:44 AM  

Martin The Mess: Ya know, a lot of Vikings went to the Byzantine empire as traders, mercenaries, and pirates/raiders.  There, they would have encountered Muslims, Muslim traders, Muslim mercenaries, and had opportunities to pilfer loot from defeated Muslim towns and raiding parties.  We should not be surprised that some Norse trader or mercenary brought back the 10th century equivalent of a Hawaiian Shirt.  The lettering on this belt may be Ali-Allah, but the meaning is probably closer to "My brother went to Byzantium and all he got me was this lousy belt".


Or more possibly more accurately, "My brother pillaged all the way to Byzantium and all he got me was this lousy corpse. Although the belt I stripped from it was kind of neat."
 
2017-10-12 09:05:47 AM  
 Sooo has anyone made a 13th Warrior refer.... damit!!
I need to wake up earlier.
 
2017-10-12 09:10:13 AM  
 
2017-10-12 09:13:23 AM  

Martin The Mess: Ya know, a lot of Vikings went to the Byzantine empire as traders, mercenaries, and pirates/raiders.  There, they would have encountered Muslims, Muslim traders, Muslim mercenaries, and had opportunities to pilfer loot from defeated Muslim towns and raiding parties.  We should not be surprised that some Norse trader or mercenary brought back the 10th century equivalent of a Hawaiian Shirt.  The lettering on this belt may be Ali-Allah, but the meaning is probably closer to "My brother went to Byzantium and all he got me was this lousy belt".


More likely, the Muslim world had a lot more different fabrics available (especially with Egypt being famous for its cotton), so some enterprising Viking trader probably made a killing buying up shirts in some Middle Eastern bazaar and selling them for a huge markup back home in Scandinavia.
 
2017-10-12 09:13:38 AM  
The Vikings didn't read Arabic (13th warrior aside).  But they did trade with everyone they couldn't pillage.  I'm surprised there aren't any Viking burial sites with drinking horns that are inscribed with "Northmen suck" in Welsh Gaelic.
 
2017-10-12 09:15:24 AM  
Any of these clothes have the word "SPAM" embroidered on it?  Vikings were know to frequent a certain café when the winds were just right.
 
2017-10-12 09:18:44 AM  

houginator: Its well known that the Vikings had regular trade with the Islamic world, its not surprising that some of them may have converted.  Also, you had the Varangian Guard who served the Byzantine Emperor, and would have had frequent interactions with Islam.  Also, Allah is simply the Arabic word for God, and was used by Arabic Christians long before Islam even existed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Varangians#Islamic_world

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Varangian_Guard


Sometimes you just buy trade goods as well.  My family traveled the world when I was young.  I have all sorts of stuff in my house from Thailand, Turkey, Greece, Italy, etc.  Some of the items even have religious symbols on them. Doesn't mean I converted to any of their religions.
 
2017-10-12 09:19:07 AM  

Exluddite: [encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com image 284x177]


One of those "guilty pleasure" movies IMHO.
 
2017-10-12 09:19:35 AM  
Yes, the Vikings traded with everyone, including Muslims. And sure, they probably just thought they had nice fabrics.

But I'd much rather claim all the Horseman were devout Muslims. Just to upset the alt-reich people.
 
2017-10-12 09:20:02 AM  

Arkanaut: Martin The Mess: Ya know, a lot of Vikings went to the Byzantine empire as traders, mercenaries, and pirates/raiders.  There, they would have encountered Muslims, Muslim traders, Muslim mercenaries, and had opportunities to pilfer loot from defeated Muslim towns and raiding parties.  We should not be surprised that some Norse trader or mercenary brought back the 10th century equivalent of a Hawaiian Shirt.  The lettering on this belt may be Ali-Allah, but the meaning is probably closer to "My brother went to Byzantium and all he got me was this lousy belt".

More likely, the Muslim world had a lot more different fabrics available (especially with Egypt being famous for its cotton), so some enterprising Viking trader probably made a killing buying up shirts in some Middle Eastern bazaar and selling them for a huge markup back home in Scandinavia.


This. The demand for luxury exotic goods has always been crazy high throughout history. It seems unlikely that there was any religious connotations to it and more probably it was just some really nice fabric that got traded all the way to Scandinavia.
 
2017-10-12 09:20:21 AM  

Fabric_Man: Yes, the Vikings traded with everyone, including Muslims. And sure, they probably just thought they had nice fabrics.

But I'd much rather claim all the Horseman were devout Muslims. Just to upset the alt-reich people.


*Norsemen. Stupid autocorrect
 
2017-10-12 09:23:46 AM  

Fabric_Man: Yes, the Vikings traded with everyone, including Muslims. And sure, they probably just thought they had nice fabrics.

But I'd much rather claim all the Horseman were devout Muslims. Just to upset the alt-reich people.


You seem like you would know what you're talking about, Fabric Man.
 
2017-10-12 09:24:32 AM  
People getting tattoos or clothing with foreign language they don't understand can't be a new thing.

Probably just thought it looked cool.

Or maybe someone tried to get someone to translate "Valhalla" into neat-looking letters and got trolled?

Like the girl who goes to China and gets a tattoo she thinks says "desire" or whatever and it really just says "fried prawns".
 
2017-10-12 09:32:38 AM  
Buuuullllshiat.
About as arabic as the poop Allah or the ice cream logo

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2017-10-12 09:34:01 AM  
Seems like the Vikings just thought it looked cool and added it to their patterns...
just like bad Chinese character tattoos:
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2017-10-12 09:35:24 AM  
camaroash:
Or maybe someone tried to get someone to translate "Valhalla" into neat-looking letters and got trolled?

Vall-allah.
 
2017-10-12 09:36:09 AM  
THEY MIGHT BE GIANTS "Istanbul (Not Constantinople)"
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2017-10-12 09:37:12 AM  

Fabric_Man: Fabric_Man: Yes, the Vikings traded with everyone, including Muslims. And sure, they probably just thought they had nice fabrics.

But I'd much rather claim all the Horseman were devout Muslims. Just to upset the alt-reich people.

*Norsemen. Stupid autocorrect


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2017-10-12 09:39:53 AM  
Seriously, the author claims that looking at this pattern , in a mirror, is a block embroidery of arabic script for 'Allah"?
That kids is a freaking stretch.
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2017-10-12 09:40:03 AM  
Vikings looted.

Vikings took slaves.

Vikings adopted customs.

If they could absorb Christianity, they could absorb Islam.

I tend to think they either traded for superior clothes or they denogginized the wearer and nicked his country.
 
2017-10-12 09:42:27 AM  
 
2017-10-12 09:44:28 AM  

GungFu: [cdn.history.com image 464x260]
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2015/03/18/why-was-a​-9th-century-viking-woman-buried-with-a-ring-that-says-for-allah-on-it​/


Now that is believable.
 
2017-10-12 09:47:15 AM  
Look, if praying to Allah helps them finally beat the Packers, I won't complain.
 
2017-10-12 09:56:10 AM  
I would hazard a guess that they were the clothes of Varangians and that the references to Allah on their clothes were just part of what they were expected to wear from their days serving the Byzantine empire.  I would also hazard a guess that the significance is no more than that of some refugee kid in Africa wearing a Padres shirt that someone donated to charity. When the Varangians got back to their homeland the clothes were probably the nicest garments that they had and thus they were buried in them.

/Not a historian.
 
2017-10-12 09:57:43 AM  
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/I mean, Christian Ponder didn't work out, gotta go with whatever comes next
 
2017-10-12 09:58:07 AM  
Lot's of trade between the Mediterranean world and the outer ocean.  Offa of Mercia issued coins with Arabic script on them.

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2017-10-12 10:00:49 AM  

Arkanaut: More likely, the Muslim world had a lot more different fabrics available (especially with Egypt being famous for its cotton), so some enterprising Viking trader probably made a killing buying up shirts in some Middle Eastern bazaar and selling them for a huge markup back home in Scandinavia.


Little known fact: Egyptian cotton can be covered in chocolate & eaten
 
2017-10-12 10:00:59 AM  
Isn't this just a new interpretation of old news? I always heard that viking-age cultures would cut up any fabric they saw as exotic and stitch it down as trim, without any regard to pattern or orientation. What we might consider tacky was kind of their thing.

If you want to explore viking contact with other cultures' religions, the Helgo Buddha would be a better place to start.
 
2017-10-12 10:23:37 AM  

cwheelie: Little known fact: Egyptian cotton can be covered in chocolate & eaten


Seriously? There must be a catch.
 
2017-10-12 10:28:29 AM  
It's not news, it's farking wrong.
 
2017-10-12 10:57:41 AM  

Harry Freakstorm: I think that movie was based on this book


Ya think?  Given that Crichton was given writer's credit, producer's credit, and an uncredited slice of the director's duties next to McTiernan, that's quite the leap.

The bigger issue is that that book was based on this poem...
 
2017-10-12 11:05:35 AM  

houginator: Its well known that the Vikings had regular trade with the Islamic world, its not surprising that some of them may have converted.  Also, you had the Varangian Guard who served the Byzantine Emperor, and would have had frequent interactions with Islam.  Also, Allah is simply the Arabic word for God, and was used by Arabic Christians long before Islam even existed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Varangians#Islamic_world

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Varangian_Guard


Obligatory reading for anyone who's interested in Viking forays into the Muslim world:
https://smile.amazon.com/Ships-Review-Books-Classics-Bengtsson/dp/B00​C​AYR4NU/
(fiction, but well accurate to the history and easier to read than my next recommendation)

Obligatory reading for anyone who's really into Vikings in general:
https://smile.amazon.com/Sagas-Icelanders-Penguin-Classics-Deluxe/dp/​0​141000031

Follow those up with the Prose and Poetic Eddas and you'll be a frigga(n) norse expert.
 
2017-10-12 11:08:54 AM  

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WTF did I just watch, and did it get me on another three letter agency's "Watch" list???
 
2017-10-12 11:13:05 AM  
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2017-10-12 11:33:28 AM  

Arkanaut: Martin The Mess: Ya know, a lot of Vikings went to the Byzantine empire as traders, mercenaries, and pirates/raiders.  There, they would have encountered Muslims, Muslim traders, Muslim mercenaries, and had opportunities to pilfer loot from defeated Muslim towns and raiding parties.  We should not be surprised that some Norse trader or mercenary brought back the 10th century equivalent of a Hawaiian Shirt.  The lettering on this belt may be Ali-Allah, but the meaning is probably closer to "My brother went to Byzantium and all he got me was this lousy belt".

More likely, the Muslim world had a lot more different fabrics available (especially with Egypt being famous for its cotton), so some enterprising Viking trader probably made a killing buying up shirts in some Middle Eastern bazaar and selling them for a huge markup back home in Scandinavia.


Hey, Olaf.  What does this shirt say?
It says "Rape.  Pillage.  Must be Monday"
Heh heh heh.  I'll take three.
 
2017-10-12 11:50:30 AM  
Not surprising. Vikings were importing ... a type of steel* from the Muslim world until the Mongols closed the trade route. Makes sense other goods came along.

*Not Toledo steel, can't think of it and can't look it up. This is gonna annoy me.
 
2017-10-12 11:53:12 AM  

JasonOfOrillia: Lot's of trade between the Mediterranean world and the outer ocean.  Offa of Mercia issued coins with Arabic script on them.

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Dikes weren't cheap.
 
2017-10-12 11:54:48 AM  

Julius Pleaseher: Not surprising. Vikings were importing ... a type of steel* from the Muslim world until the Mongols closed the trade route. Makes sense other goods came along.

*Not Toledo steel, can't think of it and can't look it up. This is gonna annoy me.


Damascene steel? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Damascus_steel
 
2017-10-12 11:56:00 AM  

Julius Pleaseher: Not surprising. Vikings were importing ... a type of steel* from the Muslim world until the Mongols closed the trade route. Makes sense other goods came along.

*Not Toledo steel, can't think of it and can't look it up. This is gonna annoy me.


Crucible steel.  Made with higher smelting temperatures (and thus less slag) than western-European techniques were capable of producing at the time.
 
2017-10-12 12:02:13 PM  

Julius Pleaseher: Not surprising. Vikings were importing ... a type of steel* from the Muslim world until the Mongols closed the trade route. Makes sense other goods came along.

*Not Toledo steel, can't think of it and can't look it up. This is gonna annoy me.


Wootz
 
2017-10-12 12:07:01 PM  

JasonOfOrillia: Lot's of trade between the Mediterranean world and the outer ocean.  Offa of Mercia issued coins with Arabic script on them.

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Mercia, Mercia, Mercia!
 
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