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(ESPN)   NFL players union will meet with the owners over the National Anthem controversy. Grab the popcorn   ( espn.com) divider line
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2017-10-12 07:59:22 AM  
The players will stand. Ain't no performance bonus for having integrity.
 
2017-10-12 08:03:40 AM  
Trump concluded: "You cannot disrespect our country, our flag, our anthem. You cannot do that."

A) of farking course you can, you ignorant asshole

B) doesn't the entire concept of maga disrespectful to our country?
 
2017-10-12 08:52:00 AM  

born_yesterday: The players will stand. Ain't no performance bonus for having integrity.


Sure there is. Have you met people. Every single one of us has our price.

The sad thing is that the Union will just cave on the issue in exchange for something entirely unimportant. Probably an extra spot in 2 years time or something.
 
2017-10-12 09:26:02 AM  

Gubbo: The sad thing is that the Union will just cave on the issue in exchange for something entirely unimportant.


They might get the NFL to take on the issue they're protesting. Then the trogs will have a new reason to boycott the NFL while they watch all the games.
 
2017-10-12 09:27:44 AM  

Gubbo: born_yesterday: The players will stand. Ain't no performance bonus for having integrity.

Sure there is. Have you met people. Every single one of us has our price.

The sad thing is that the Union will just cave on the issue in exchange for something entirely unimportant. Probably an extra spot in 2 years time or something.


Collective bargaining is on the horizon for the NFL players union... I don't think this issue is something they want to sour the owners on and possibly screw up the upcoming negotiations.
 
2017-10-12 09:31:15 AM  
Hopefully they come up with a new one with trucks and viagra and autotune and stuff. The old one sucks.
 
2017-10-12 09:44:40 AM  
I always side with labor but the NFLPA is a really weak union. I hope they get something though.
 
2017-10-12 09:49:13 AM  
I don't know why the NFL and the owners wouldn't try harder to remain aloof of this.  Bad business.   Just  say something like "we are respectful of our country and flag and military as well as the freedoms they represent" and then shut up and let grandstanding trump or grandstanding players do what they will.

If the protestors are still under their skin make December "Law enforcement appreciation month" and sew police department patches on all the uniforms.
 
2017-10-12 09:54:05 AM  
If Jerry Jones can kneel with the players, then the rest of the owners and Roger should too.
 
2017-10-12 09:58:38 AM  
Of farking course.

The Bears finally get a franchise QB and they're gonna have a lockout.
 
2017-10-12 10:01:38 AM  
"What we plan to do is have a very in-depth discussion with the players and owners next week to make sure we truly understand the issues and also understand the approach we want to take together with the players to address these issues in our communities.

Fark you Goodell.  This is all about the dollars, and nothing but the dollars, you vapid creepoid.
 
2017-10-12 10:10:07 AM  

Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: If Jerry Jones can kneel with the players, then the rest of the owners and Roger should too.


Please. Jerry did that once. Then he reverted to form and was the first owner to issue instructions to the team demanding their upright posture.
 
2017-10-12 10:12:07 AM  

Gubbo: Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: If Jerry Jones can kneel with the players, then the rest of the owners and Roger should too.

Please. Jerry did that once. Then he reverted to form and was the first owner to issue instructions to the team demanding their upright posture.


I hope he enjoys playing with half a roster. Or with a full roster that suddenly tries to catch footballs with an upraised fist. Or just starts kneeling in the middle of long routes. Or drops a pass in the endzone that would have beat the spread for the underdog.
 
2017-10-12 10:13:47 AM  

Gubbo: Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: If Jerry Jones can kneel with the players, then the rest of the owners and Roger should too.

Please. Jerry did that once. Then he reverted to form and was the first owner to issue instructions to the team demanding their upright posture.


They all kneeled before the anthem then stood up together as it started.
 
2017-10-12 10:14:45 AM  

edmo: Gubbo: The sad thing is that the Union will just cave on the issue in exchange for something entirely unimportant.

They might get the NFL to take on the issue they're protesting. Then the trogs will have a new reason to boycott the NFL while they watch all the games.


An unequivocal denunciation of police brutality on people of color.

Yup.
 
2017-10-12 10:15:35 AM  

Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: Gubbo: Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: If Jerry Jones can kneel with the players, then the rest of the owners and Roger should too.

Please. Jerry did that once. Then he reverted to form and was the first owner to issue instructions to the team demanding their upright posture.

I hope he enjoys playing with half a roster. Or with a full roster that suddenly tries to catch footballs with an upraised fist. Or just starts kneeling in the middle of long routes. Or drops a pass in the endzone that would have beat the spread for the underdog.


Liberal football lol.
 
2017-10-12 10:18:16 AM  

Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: Gubbo: Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: If Jerry Jones can kneel with the players, then the rest of the owners and Roger should too.

Please. Jerry did that once. Then he reverted to form and was the first owner to issue instructions to the team demanding their upright posture.

I hope he enjoys playing with half a roster. Or with a full roster that suddenly tries to catch footballs with an upraised fist. Or just starts kneeling in the middle of long routes. Or drops a pass in the endzone that would have beat the spread for the underdog.


You're giving the players too much credit here. I don't think they have it in them.

They proved at the last CBA that they don't have a strike in them (for reasons we don't need to get into here), I don't think this is the bridge they're going to die on.
 
2017-10-12 10:23:28 AM  
In its simplest form,  if you want to protest (insert any subject) do it on your own time not on company time that causes a distraction.

At least with Kap he was/is doing it off the field too to his credit.
 
2017-10-12 10:28:27 AM  
Good. The only thing most of these were kneeling on was the bandwagon. It wasn't a protest so much as an attention grab.
 
2017-10-12 10:33:44 AM  

MtnByker: In its simplest form,  if you want to protest (insert any subject) do it on your own time not on company time that causes a distraction.

At least with Kap he was/is doing it off the field too to his credit.


I can see that you don't really want your protest to succeed. The key to any protest is visibility and awareness. Which has been done very well by the players.

Unfortunately you also need to control the messaging, which has been done very badly.

/Also if you truly believe that, how do those jackboots feel on your neck
 
2017-10-12 10:34:02 AM  

Graboidz: Good. The only thing most of these were kneeling on was the bandwagon. It wasn't a protest so much as an attention grab.


Attention is the very purpose of a protest.
 
2017-10-12 10:38:53 AM  
A good way to stop the kneeling in the NFL would be to have police officers quit killing unarmed black people.


\I doubt that will be discussed at the meeting
\\Stolen from a comedian
 
2017-10-12 10:50:57 AM  

bark2787: A good way to stop the kneeling in the NFL would be to have police officers quit killing unarmed black people.


\I doubt that will be discussed at the meeting
\\Stolen from a comedian


Here in Baltimore, we had one man die in police custody (where the majority of the officers involved were people of color) in 2015, which sparked a week of riots (or should I say protests?). While I don't feel Gray's death was acceptable, at the very least those accused were put before the courts. Meanwhile in the same calendar year there were over 300 homicides in the city, and I would guess most of those murders are still open on the books.

So far in 2017 Baltimore is at 278 homicides, and not a peep from anyone, no outrage, no action from "community leaders" or BLM? I guess the "lives" only matter if they can grab headlines? The whole thing just seems so hypocritical.
 
2017-10-12 10:52:11 AM  

Graboidz: bark2787: A good way to stop the kneeling in the NFL would be to have police officers quit killing unarmed black people.


\I doubt that will be discussed at the meeting
\\Stolen from a comedian

Here in Baltimore, we had one man die in police custody (where the majority of the officers involved were people of color) in 2015, which sparked a week of riots (or should I say protests?). While I don't feel Gray's death was acceptable, at the very least those accused were put before the courts. Meanwhile in the same calendar year there were over 300 homicides in the city, and I would guess most of those murders are still open on the books.

So far in 2017 Baltimore is at 278 homicides, and not a peep from anyone, no outrage, no action from "community leaders" or BLM? I guess the "lives" only matter if they can grab headlines? The whole thing just seems so hypocritical.


Ahh. The criminals commit murder so why can't the police argument. That one has tended not to have much intellectual rigor.
 
2017-10-12 10:56:23 AM  
I'm curious why we're being so hard on the NFL on this...the NBA does not allow their players to do this sort of thing at all and yet we're silent on them. Very interesting times we live in indeed...
 
2017-10-12 10:57:16 AM  
Also, kneeling is going to do nothing to stop police violence on everyone. Getting involved in the community will.
 
2017-10-12 11:01:53 AM  

ShadowLAnCeR: Also, kneeling is going to do nothing to stop police violence on everyone. Getting involved in the community will.


Having those magnetic ribbons does nothing to stop {insert cause here}. But it does raise awareness.
 
2017-10-12 11:02:42 AM  

ShadowLAnCeR: I'm curious why we're being so hard on the NFL on this...the NBA does not allow their players to do this sort of thing at all and yet we're silent on them. Very interesting times we live in indeed...


NBA season hasn't started yet. Let's see how that goes before we try and manufacture distractions.
 
2017-10-12 11:03:05 AM  

Gubbo: ShadowLAnCeR: Also, kneeling is going to do nothing to stop police violence on everyone. Getting involved in the community will.

Having those magnetic ribbons does nothing to stop {insert cause here}. But it does raise awareness.


Awareness is an annoying term that people try to equate with retard. No one is not aware that there are bad cops out there, and being 'aware' is not going to stop it either. Being involved in the community, will.
 
2017-10-12 11:07:48 AM  
Gubbo:
Ahh. The criminals commit murder so why can't the police argument. That one has tended not to have much intellectual rigor.

Is that what you took away from my post? How odd.
 
2017-10-12 11:08:23 AM  

ShadowLAnCeR: Gubbo: ShadowLAnCeR: Also, kneeling is going to do nothing to stop police violence on everyone. Getting involved in the community will.

Having those magnetic ribbons does nothing to stop {insert cause here}. But it does raise awareness.

Awareness is an annoying term that people try to equate with retard. No one is not aware that there are bad cops out there, and being 'aware' is not going to stop it either. Being involved in the community, will.


I forget that the 'community' has this magical power over the police to dictate policy and procedure and training and discipline. If only we had known.
 
2017-10-12 11:13:48 AM  

Graboidz: Gubbo:
Ahh. The criminals commit murder so why can't the police argument. That one has tended not to have much intellectual rigor.

Is that what you took away from my post? How odd.


You're directly equating crime and murders by criminals with police violence. So yes, that is exactly what I take from your post.

What does it matter how many murders there are in a city when the debate is over police violence and racial injustice and systemic racism.
 
2017-10-12 11:14:14 AM  

Gubbo: ShadowLAnCeR: Gubbo: ShadowLAnCeR: Also, kneeling is going to do nothing to stop police violence on everyone. Getting involved in the community will.

Having those magnetic ribbons does nothing to stop {insert cause here}. But it does raise awareness.

Awareness is an annoying term that people try to equate with retard. No one is not aware that there are bad cops out there, and being 'aware' is not going to stop it either. Being involved in the community, will.

I forget that the 'community' has this magical power over the police to dictate policy and procedure and training and discipline. If only we had known.


Don't try and start an argument because you personally hate the police, being 'involved in the community' means having relationships with the people who are in power. Councilperson, police, fire, ect. If you don't understand that, you are part of what is contributing to this gigantic problem.
 
2017-10-12 11:15:13 AM  

Gubbo: ShadowLAnCeR: Gubbo: ShadowLAnCeR: Also, kneeling is going to do nothing to stop police violence on everyone. Getting involved in the community will.

Having those magnetic ribbons does nothing to stop {insert cause here}. But it does raise awareness.

Awareness is an annoying term that people try to equate with retard. No one is not aware that there are bad cops out there, and being 'aware' is not going to stop it either. Being involved in the community, will.

I forget that the 'community' has this magical power over the police to dictate policy and procedure and training and discipline. If only we had known.


Well, police departments are usually made of officers who are residents in their community and are overseen by that community's elected officials so yeah.

I don't know how this is "magical" but whatever.
 
2017-10-12 11:18:21 AM  

ShadowLAnCeR: Gubbo: ShadowLAnCeR: Gubbo: ShadowLAnCeR: Also, kneeling is going to do nothing to stop police violence on everyone. Getting involved in the community will.

Having those magnetic ribbons does nothing to stop {insert cause here}. But it does raise awareness.

Awareness is an annoying term that people try to equate with retard. No one is not aware that there are bad cops out there, and being 'aware' is not going to stop it either. Being involved in the community, will.

I forget that the 'community' has this magical power over the police to dictate policy and procedure and training and discipline. If only we had known.

Don't try and start an argument because you personally hate the police, being 'involved in the community' means having relationships with the people who are in power. Councilperson, police, fire, ect. If you don't understand that, you are part of what is contributing to this gigantic problem.


Not wanting the police to murder unarmed black men does not count as hating the police. It counts as hating the institutional racism that is prevalent in the police forces across the country.
 
2017-10-12 11:19:24 AM  

Graboidz: bark2787: A good way to stop the kneeling in the NFL would be to have police officers quit killing unarmed black people.


\I doubt that will be discussed at the meeting
\\Stolen from a comedian

Here in Baltimore, we had one man die in police custody (where the majority of the officers involved were people of color) in 2015, which sparked a week of riots (or should I say protests?). While I don't feel Gray's death was acceptable, at the very least those accused were put before the courts. Meanwhile in the same calendar year there were over 300 homicides in the city, and I would guess most of those murders are still open on the books.

So far in 2017 Baltimore is at 278 homicides, and not a peep from anyone, no outrage, no action from "community leaders" or BLM? I guess the "lives" only matter if they can grab headlines? The whole thing just seems so hypocritical.


Gray's death?

You didn't watch the video, did you?
 
2017-10-12 11:36:07 AM  

Graboidz: So far in 2017 Baltimore is at 278 homicides, and not a peep from anyone, no outrage, no action from "community leaders" or BLM?


http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/baltimore-city/bs-md-ci-cea​s​efire-20170718-story.html

Ignoring the whataboutism of your post in general...
That you are unaware of things does not mean they do not exist.
 
2017-10-12 11:42:25 AM  

Gubbo: ShadowLAnCeR: Gubbo: ShadowLAnCeR: Gubbo: ShadowLAnCeR: Also, kneeling is going to do nothing to stop police violence on everyone. Getting involved in the community will.

Having those magnetic ribbons does nothing to stop {insert cause here}. But it does raise awareness.

Awareness is an annoying term that people try to equate with retard. No one is not aware that there are bad cops out there, and being 'aware' is not going to stop it either. Being involved in the community, will.

I forget that the 'community' has this magical power over the police to dictate policy and procedure and training and discipline. If only we had known.

Don't try and start an argument because you personally hate the police, being 'involved in the community' means having relationships with the people who are in power. Councilperson, police, fire, ect. If you don't understand that, you are part of what is contributing to this gigantic problem.

Not wanting the police to murder unarmed black men does not count as hating the police. It counts as hating the institutional racism that is prevalent in the police forces across the country.


https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wash​ingtonpost.com/amphtml/news/wonk​/​wp/2016/07/13/why-a-massive-new-study-​on-police-shootings-of-whites-an​d-blacks-is-so-controversial/
 
2017-10-12 11:45:34 AM  

Debeo Summa Credo: Gubbo: ShadowLAnCeR: Gubbo: ShadowLAnCeR: Gubbo: ShadowLAnCeR: Also, kneeling is going to do nothing to stop police violence on everyone. Getting involved in the community will.

Having those magnetic ribbons does nothing to stop {insert cause here}. But it does raise awareness.

Awareness is an annoying term that people try to equate with retard. No one is not aware that there are bad cops out there, and being 'aware' is not going to stop it either. Being involved in the community, will.

I forget that the 'community' has this magical power over the police to dictate policy and procedure and training and discipline. If only we had known.

Don't try and start an argument because you personally hate the police, being 'involved in the community' means having relationships with the people who are in power. Councilperson, police, fire, ect. If you don't understand that, you are part of what is contributing to this gigantic problem.

Not wanting the police to murder unarmed black men does not count as hating the police. It counts as hating the institutional racism that is prevalent in the police forces across the country.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news/wonk/​wp/2016/07/13/why-a-massive-new-study-on-police-shootings-of-whites-an​d-blacks-is-so-controversial/


FTA: Since Houston is 24 percent black, the fact that more than half of the police shootings involved black people might seem like a sign of racially biased policing. Yet it is also possible that Houston police more frequently encounter black residents in dangerous situations.

I'll leave it as a reader exercise to try and understand the dangerous situations explanation.
 
2017-10-12 11:46:40 AM  

Debeo Summa Credo: Gubbo: ShadowLAnCeR: Gubbo: ShadowLAnCeR: Gubbo: ShadowLAnCeR: Also, kneeling is going to do nothing to stop police violence on everyone. Getting involved in the community will.

Having those magnetic ribbons does nothing to stop {insert cause here}. But it does raise awareness.

Awareness is an annoying term that people try to equate with retard. No one is not aware that there are bad cops out there, and being 'aware' is not going to stop it either. Being involved in the community, will.

I forget that the 'community' has this magical power over the police to dictate policy and procedure and training and discipline. If only we had known.

Don't try and start an argument because you personally hate the police, being 'involved in the community' means having relationships with the people who are in power. Councilperson, police, fire, ect. If you don't understand that, you are part of what is contributing to this gigantic problem.

Not wanting the police to murder unarmed black men does not count as hating the police. It counts as hating the institutional racism that is prevalent in the police forces across the country.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news/wonk/​wp/2016/07/13/why-a-massive-new-study-on-police-shootings-of-whites-an​d-blacks-is-so-controversial/


Expanding on my previous comment, the main takeaway from the study was that there just isn't enough data.
 
2017-10-12 12:31:46 PM  
And yet you seems to have taken individual instances and assumed the worst about police intentions and extrapolated it to push the idea that they "murder black men" due to "institutional racism in the police in this country" while disregarding the number of white people killed by police and the relative likelyhood of a white person being killed for an interaction with police relative to black people.

At least the study has data.  Data that disproves the entire thesis of BLM.
 
2017-10-12 12:32:19 PM  

Debeo Summa Credo: And yet you seems to have taken individual instances and assumed the worst about police intentions and extrapolated it to push the idea that they "murder black men" due to "institutional racism in the police in this country" while disregarding the number of white people killed by police and the relative likelyhood of a white person being killed for an interaction with police relative to black people.

At least the study has data.  Data that disproves the entire thesis of BLM.


Maybe not "disprove", but "contradicts".
 
2017-10-12 12:33:35 PM  

Debeo Summa Credo: And yet you seems to have taken individual instances and assumed the worst about police intentions and extrapolated it to push the idea that they "murder black men" due to "institutional racism in the police in this country" while disregarding the number of white people killed by police and the relative likelyhood of a white person being killed for an interaction with police relative to black people.

At least the study has data.  Data that disproves the entire thesis of BLM.


Again, FTA:
Fryer's study goes a step further, looking at a broad range of details of individual cases in attempt to determine the level of danger the officer might have confronted. Fryer, however, still does not have the answers he wants, he said.
"To make progress, we have to elevate the discussion here," Fryer said, adding that he welcomes critiques of his study.
"If folks want to ask hard questions about . . . whether Houston is representative, and what if we used Chicago - God, man!" Fryer said. "That's where we need to be in these discussions."
 
2017-10-12 12:40:42 PM  
I've been bartending several weddings lately, and during the ceremony out on the lawn it really irks the wedding coordinator when I take a knee behind the bar.
The set-up staff, and banquet servers get a kick though.
/end jeadthrack.
 
2017-10-12 12:56:54 PM  

Debeo Summa Credo: Maybe not "disprove", but "contradicts".


Thirty percent of American black males spend time in prison at some point.  This is by design.
 
2017-10-12 01:01:11 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: Debeo Summa Credo: Maybe not "disprove", but "contradicts".

Thirty percent of American black males spend time in prison at some point.  This is by design.


Wow.  "By design".

This is what farklibs actually believe.
 
2017-10-12 01:02:39 PM  

Debeo Summa Credo: Marcus Aurelius: Debeo Summa Credo: Maybe not "disprove", but "contradicts".

Thirty percent of American black males spend time in prison at some point.  This is by design.

Wow.  "By design".

This is what farklibs actually believe.


So the sentencing disparities don't exist in your world?  We don't throw the book at crack users and let coke users off with probation, for example?

It must be awesome living in your universe, where racism no longer exists.
 
2017-10-12 01:06:08 PM  

Debeo Summa Credo: Wow.  "By design".

This is what farklibs actually believe.


The school-to-prison pipeline also heavily targets people of color.
 
2017-10-12 01:06:56 PM  

Debeo Summa Credo: Marcus Aurelius: Debeo Summa Credo: Maybe not "disprove", but "contradicts".

Thirty percent of American black males spend time in prison at some point.  This is by design.

Wow.  "By design".

This is what farklibs actually believe.


As evidence of this, you should look into the previous mandatory minimum sentences for drugs.

Black and white people use illegal drugs at pretty much the same rate. But the minimums were far harsher for crack cocaine than for powdered. It was not a coincidence that while they are the same drug, crack cocaine was far more prevalent among black drug users.

So yeah, this is what anyone with a knowledge of history believes.
 
2017-10-12 01:09:40 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: Debeo Summa Credo: Wow.  "By design".

This is what farklibs actually believe.

The school-to-prison pipeline also heavily targets people of color.


Remind me, why do we try and convince obvious trolls people who refuse to accept facts.

/sighs heavily
 
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