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(Ars Technica)   Equifax hacked. This is not a repeat from a month ago   ( arstechnica.com) divider line
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2017-10-12 04:11:05 AM  
We need to do away with credit agencies and go back to character references only or something. Running people's lives by the numbers not only doesn't work, it is harmful.

Time to bring back secretaries and file clerks and put some humanity back in the entire process.
 
2017-10-12 04:13:30 AM  
And just like a month ago nothing will be done about it.
 
2017-10-12 04:18:13 AM  

Boo_Guy: And just like a month ago nothing will be done about it.


It's too soon to talk about security control.
 
2017-10-12 04:37:34 AM  
Is their security team headed up by Derpy Hooves, Homer Simpson, or George Costanza?
 
2017-10-12 05:34:31 AM  

doglover: Is their security team headed up by Derpy Hooves, Homer Simpson, or George Costanza?


no, it's Dewey, Cheatum, and Howe.

CNN was on the news recently talking about the hack. I'm sure right after that, many people went to equifax, only to get hacked.
 
2017-10-12 06:49:29 AM  
So who has the anti-virus on their computer that is from russia?
 
2017-10-12 07:03:02 AM  
Andrei, you lost another submarine?
 
2017-10-12 07:05:28 AM  
I'm guessing they never got rid of them.
 
2017-10-12 07:53:43 AM  
Hey, two of my favorite things brought together into one gigantic trough of suck:  Equifax and Flash
 
2017-10-12 07:56:10 AM  

Kirablue42: We need to do away with credit agencies and go back to character references only or something. Running people's lives by the numbers not only doesn't work, it is harmful.

Time to bring back secretaries and file clerks and put some humanity back in the entire process.


At some point, the government will be justified in shutting them down outright. Collecting information on people without their permission, and then failing to curate that data responsibly can't be allowed to continue as a business model.
Let lenders and landlords and banks do their own f**king research, as bound by privacy laws. If you think you have to look up my asshole to trust me, I'll borrow money from someone else.
 
2017-10-12 07:59:04 AM  
Haven't these credit reporting agencies ever heard of Life Lock & shiat???  Geesh!
 
2017-10-12 07:59:11 AM  
This is why we need a corporate death penalty. If you're in a position of trust, and you screw up this badly, this repeatedly, you deserve to no longer be a business, and certainly no longer deserve limited liability. Sadly, the "personal responsibility" crowd seems to go silent when it's a corporation that shows a lack of responsibility.
 
2017-10-12 07:59:16 AM  

jso2897: Kirablue42: We need to do away with credit agencies and go back to character references only or something. Running people's lives by the numbers not only doesn't work, it is harmful.

Time to bring back secretaries and file clerks and put some humanity back in the entire process.

At some point, the government will be justified in shutting them down outright. Collecting information on people without their permission, and then failing to curate that data responsibly can't be allowed to continue as a business model.
Let lenders and landlords and banks do their own f**king research, as bound by privacy laws. If you think you have to look up my asshole to trust me, I'll borrow money from someone else.


That sounds too much like common sense, which means it will never happen.
 
2017-10-12 08:01:15 AM  

Kirablue42: We need to do away with credit agencies and go back to character references only or something. Running people's lives by the numbers not only doesn't work, it is harmful.

Time to bring back secretaries and file clerks and put some humanity back in the entire process.


Wont happen, theres to much money to be made from farking people over.
 
2017-10-12 08:09:38 AM  

Kirablue42: doglover: Is their security team headed up by Derpy Hooves, Homer Simpson, or George Costanza?

no, it's Dewey, Cheatum, and Howe.

CNN was on the news recently talking about the hack. I'm sure right after that, many people went to equifax, only to get hacked.


And right after it aired Fox New's anchors went on a rant about the liberal media's propagation of fake news.
 
2017-10-12 08:13:36 AM  

Boo_Guy: And just like a month ago nothing will be done about it.


And why would we expect otherwise? As their products, we're not the victims in any of this. As far as they're concerned, we're just some product that was lifted from the shelves. As such, we have no real legal recourse. And since virtually no checks or protections exist on the use of your personal information, your odds of even a successful lawsuit are extremely low because they'll just argue that PII is stolen so frequently you can't pin any given loss on them specifically.

And, since the only answer to corporate abuses from republicans - who currently run every branch of federal government and most states - is that the companies are the REAL victims because of some nebulous, unspecified regulations that should be rolled back, there's no hope there.

Welcome to corporate America, sir. Shut up and put on your number. Somebody will be by to defraud you momentarily and there's nothing you can do about it.

It will be interesting to see how long this little kleptocratic experiment lasts, though.
 
2017-10-12 08:15:37 AM  
Here's what the response from the credit agencies would be:  This isn't as bad as you think because everyone is in the same pool. We're net neutral here so don't worry about how a bank may react to unexplainable new negative things on your credit because chances are it's happened to everyone else too.  Banks are smart enough to know the difference when your trend has been really good and suddenly there is this massive turd sitting there.  Easily explained away.
 
2017-10-12 08:17:49 AM  
I see we're still doing "Too Big to Fail"
 
2017-10-12 08:18:33 AM  
I fell for the fake Flash update at the end of an exhausting day last year. I finally got rid of Flash. I occasionally can't see a news video but that's about it. Can't do the daily crossword either - analog version still works.
 
2017-10-12 08:20:29 AM  
Equifax, delete your company.
 
2017-10-12 08:20:38 AM  
So, reportedly salary history has been breached... Does that mean... The current US president's salary history is now floating around the dark web?
 
2017-10-12 08:21:09 AM  
img.fark.net
 
2017-10-12 08:22:56 AM  

Boo_Guy: And just like a month ago nothing will be done about it.


Oh, the government did something.  They gave Equifax a big pile of taxpayer money.

"Equifax just scored a $7 million contract to protect the IRS from fraud"
http://money.cnn.com/2017/10/03/news/india/equifax-irs-contract/index​.​html
 
d23 [BareFark]
2017-10-12 08:24:09 AM  

jso2897: At some point, the government will be justified in shutting them down outright. Collecting information on people without their permission, and then failing to curate that data responsibly can't be allowed to continue as a business model.
Let lenders and landlords and banks do their own f**king research, as bound by privacy laws. If you think you have to look up my asshole to trust me, I'll borrow money from someone else.


This is what should happen, but there are very few advocates for basic consumer protection in D.C. and there are thousands of advocates for corporate anarchy.
 
2017-10-12 08:30:28 AM  
And you have no choice about these grubby swine having all of your personal information and trading on it. Risk is socialized, profit is private. If so many of us are at their mercy with no say in the matter, I say shut them down. Period. If what they do is really that essential to how society runs, and there is no way to change the fact that we are at their mercy, then take the profit motive out of it and have businesses like Equifax run as public utilities.
 
2017-10-12 08:33:17 AM  

walkerhound: So, reportedly salary history has been breached... Does that mean... The current US president's salary history is now floating around the dark web?


Even if it were, it's unlikely Trump ever drew much, if any, actual salary. Rich people don't tend to get large salaries because then they'd have to pay a fair share of income tax like us plebes.

Besides, I doubt Equifax has much of a file on him. He hasn't had any real creditworthiness with a U.S. bank for over 20 years.
 
2017-10-12 08:40:59 AM  

jso2897: At some point, the government will be justified in shutting them down outright. Collecting information on people without their permission, and then failing to curate that data responsibly can't be allowed to continue as a business model.

What's going to stop them?
 
2017-10-12 08:42:12 AM  

Chakat: This is why we need a corporate death penalty. If you're in a position of trust, and you screw up this badly, this repeatedly, you deserve to no longer be a business, and certainly no longer deserve limited liability. Sadly, the "personal responsibility" crowd seems to go silent when it's a corporation that shows a lack of responsibility.


img.fark.net
/Used this in another Equifax thread, still entirely relevant.
 
2017-10-12 08:44:25 AM  

doglover: Is their security team headed up by Derpy Hooves, Homer Simpson, or George Costanza?


The leaks are profitable for equifax... there is no motivation to stop them, and very strong motivation to let them continue.

Capitalism!!
 
2017-10-12 08:48:28 AM  
How are they not a public menace? They're like a bank with a vault protected by one of those bike locks you can open with a pen.

Chakat: This is why we need a corporate death penalty.


So much this.
 
2017-10-12 08:49:43 AM  
what would be the economic impact of shutting down a $3B company supplying 10k jobs?
 
d23 [BareFark]
2017-10-12 08:51:55 AM  

TheraTx: what would be the economic impact of shutting down a $3B company supplying 10k jobs?


Equafax is supply 10,000 jobs?  I would have to see proof to believe that.

And, to go back to the first part, if the company causes the economy many more billions than that due to the national cost of identity theft WHO THE FARK cares.
 
2017-10-12 08:53:13 AM  
img.fark.net

I need to buy stock in Equifax
 
2017-10-12 08:56:58 AM  
img.fark.net
 
2017-10-12 08:58:55 AM  

skozlaw: Boo_Guy: And just like a month ago nothing will be done about it.

And why would we expect otherwise? As their products, we're not the victims in any of this. As far as they're concerned, we're just some product that was lifted from the shelves. As such, we have no real legal recourse. And since virtually no checks or protections exist on the use of your personal information, your odds of even a successful lawsuit are extremely low because they'll just argue that PII is stolen so frequently you can't pin any given loss on them specifically.

And, since the only answer to corporate abuses from republicans - who currently run every branch of federal government and most states - is that the companies are the REAL victims because of some nebulous, unspecified regulations that should be rolled back, there's no hope there.

Welcome to corporate America, sir. Shut up and put on your number. Somebody will be by to defraud you momentarily and there's nothing you can do about it.

It will be interesting to see how long this little kleptocratic experiment lasts, though.


FFS, what was done about it from 2009 to 2017?

This is just like the police issue. For 8 years we had an African-American Democrat as the chief law enforcement officer of the nation, and absolutely nothing was done to address the problem - but people like you made, and make, it all about Republicans, even when it's almost all out of large urban centers that have been Democrat-dominated for decades.

Perhaps you should stop concern trolling, put down your political narrative for a few minutes, and actually see what you can do to identify the real problem so we can work at solving it.
 
2017-10-12 08:59:42 AM  

Boo_Guy: And just like a month ago nothing will be done about it.


Something is always done about it.

Unfortunately, that "something" is that a high level executive leaves with a trunk full of cash.
 
2017-10-12 09:00:59 AM  

Kirablue42: We need to do away with credit agencies and go back to character references only or something. Running people's lives by the numbers not only doesn't work, it is harmful.

Time to bring back secretaries and file clerks and put some humanity back in the entire process.


Would that not mean that prejudices might come in to play more?  If, for instance, your reference had a foreign or "ethnic" name and the credit card company employee was a racist (there's enough of that with people with unusual names not getting job interviews, can't see it being any different with credit checks).  Or if the person who supplied your reference was involved with a political/religious group that the bank manager is opposed to.

Or that it'd end up being (even more) of a network of "old school ties"?  "Oh, you went to <school> too?  Go <sports team>!  Let's get this sorted out for you right away".
 
d23 [BareFark]
2017-10-12 09:01:49 AM  

Carousel Beast: This is just like the police issue. For 8 years we had an African-American Democrat as the chief law enforcement officer of the nation, and absolutely nothing was done to address the problem - but people like you made, and make, it all about Republicans, even when it's almost all out of large urban centers that have been Democrat-dominated for decades.


That's because every president since 1980 has been a corporatist.  This isn't currently a Democrat vs Republican issue, it's a corporate domination of government issue.
 
2017-10-12 09:12:41 AM  
I am too sober for this news today.
 
2017-10-12 09:22:12 AM  

Carousel Beast: For 8 years we had an African-American Democrat as the chief law enforcement officer of the nation, and absolutely nothing was done to address the problem

Poe's Law?
 
2017-10-12 09:23:20 AM  
Must be a day ending in Y
 
2017-10-12 09:24:05 AM  

Carousel Beast: This is just like the police issue. For 8 years we had an African-American Democrat as the chief law enforcement officer of the nation, and absolutely nothing was done to address the problem


But I was assured that Obama hates cops and tied their hands at every opportunity.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/07/08/why-so-many​-​critics-of-president-obama-insist-that-he-hates-police-officers/
I guess he hates both cops and victims too.
That's why Trump is rolling back his demilitarization. But wait, Obama militarized the cops.
I guess both sides are bad and nothing can be done, so vote Republican.
 
2017-10-12 09:28:44 AM  

d23: Carousel Beast: This is just like the police issue. For 8 years we had an African-American Democrat as the chief law enforcement officer of the nation, and absolutely nothing was done to address the problem - but people like you made, and make, it all about Republicans, even when it's almost all out of large urban centers that have been Democrat-dominated for decades.

That's because every president since 1980 has been a corporatist.  This isn't currently a Democrat vs Republican issue, it's a corporate domination of government issue.


Slapping "ist" after a word doesn't make it a real word.
Corporations had just as much influence and power in 1957 and 1977 as they could, just like in 1997.
Democrats have tried to restrict their power more than Republicans, but yeah sure both sides are bad.
 
2017-10-12 09:29:29 AM  
Two people were redirected to adware sometimes, but not always, and not again after the article was being written vs 145 million people's data stolen. Correct, subby, not a repeat. To whom do we award the understatement of the day certificate?
 
2017-10-12 09:33:24 AM  

Carousel Beast: skozlaw: Boo_Guy: And just like a month ago nothing will be done about it.

And why would we expect otherwise? As their products, we're not the victims in any of this. As far as they're concerned, we're just some product that was lifted from the shelves. As such, we have no real legal recourse. And since virtually no checks or protections exist on the use of your personal information, your odds of even a successful lawsuit are extremely low because they'll just argue that PII is stolen so frequently you can't pin any given loss on them specifically.

And, since the only answer to corporate abuses from republicans - who currently run every branch of federal government and most states - is that the companies are the REAL victims because of some nebulous, unspecified regulations that should be rolled back, there's no hope there.

Welcome to corporate America, sir. Shut up and put on your number. Somebody will be by to defraud you momentarily and there's nothing you can do about it.

It will be interesting to see how long this little kleptocratic experiment lasts, though.

FFS, what was done about it from 2009 to 2017?

This is just like the police issue. For 8 years we had an African-American Democrat as the chief law enforcement officer of the nation, and absolutely nothing was done to address the problem - but people like you made, and make, it all about Republicans, even when it's almost all out of large urban centers that have been Democrat-dominated for decades.

Perhaps you should stop concern trolling, put down your political narrative for a few minutes, and actually see what you can do to identify the real problem so we can work at solving it.


For the first two years, Democrats did not have enough votes in the Senate to overcome the endlessly-threatened republican filibuster. For the entirety of Obama's remaining time, Republicans had the majority in the House.

You're right. For 8 years we had an African-American democratic president. And the republicans in Congress publicly stated their singular goal was to prevent him from accomplishing anything. And what he did manage to do anyway, the republicans are currently actively attempting to undo.

Try again.
 
2017-10-12 10:00:26 AM  
Huh.   It's almost like third - party ad networks are vectors for malware distribution.  Wish there was something I could do to block them.
 
2017-10-12 10:01:52 AM  

TheraTx: what would be the economic impact of shutting down a $3B company supplying 10k jobs?


fark em, let's find out.
 
2017-10-12 10:17:16 AM  

Chakat: This is why we need a corporate death penalty. If you're in a position of trust, and you screw up this badly, this repeatedly, you deserve to no longer be a business, and certainly no longer deserve limited liability. Sadly, the "personal responsibility" crowd seems to go silent when it's a corporation that shows a lack of responsibility.


They will be changing their name like Diebold Voting Systems.

Problem solved.
 
2017-10-12 10:24:05 AM  

TheraTx: what would be the economic impact of shutting down a $3B company supplying 10k jobs?


The jobs they do for the business that employs them puts people at too much risk. The rest of us do not owe our security to those people's ability to hold those specific jobs. And if shutting down hurts the economy, maybe we will start to learn a lesson about what ought to be a legal business in the first place.
 
d23 [BareFark]
2017-10-12 10:24:18 AM  

Begoggle: d23: Carousel Beast: This is just like the police issue. For 8 years we had an African-American Democrat as the chief law enforcement officer of the nation, and absolutely nothing was done to address the problem - but people like you made, and make, it all about Republicans, even when it's almost all out of large urban centers that have been Democrat-dominated for decades.

That's because every president since 1980 has been a corporatist.  This isn't currently a Democrat vs Republican issue, it's a corporate domination of government issue.

Slapping "ist" after a word doesn't make it a real word.


img.fark.net
 
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