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(Pro Football Talk)   PFT games out the NFL's likely flag edict: Goodell washes his hands, players become the villains, and owners assert their dominance through intimidation   ( profootballtalk.nbcsports.com) divider line
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2017-10-11 09:54:32 AM  
Can't wait to see how many players are going to call Gooddell's bluff here.
 
2017-10-11 11:02:10 AM  

Grand_Moff_Joseph: Can't wait to see how many players are going to call Gooddell's bluff here.


Fixed a typo.
 
2017-10-11 11:13:15 AM  

Grand_Moff_Joseph: Can't wait to see how many players are going to call Gooddell's bluff here.


Gerald McCoy seems to think a lot of them will.  I hope he's right.  Actually I hope it doesn't come to that, it would be really, really, ridiculously stupid on Goodell's part.
 
2017-10-11 11:23:59 AM  
There are going to be more than a few white quarterbacks who are going to refuse to throw to black receivers because of the kneeling. Trump wanted a race war, and I think he's about to get it
 
2017-10-11 11:25:04 AM  
If you're forced to stand for something you don't respect, there's nothing to stop you from dancing.  Maybe do a little Hokey Pokey.  That would drive the racists even more nuts than they are now.
 
2017-10-11 11:28:22 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: If you're forced to stand for something you don't respect, there's nothing to stop you from dancing.  Maybe do a little Hokey Pokey.  That would drive the racists even more nuts than they are now.


What if they stand but face the opposite direction?
 
2017-10-11 11:28:33 AM  
I think Martha Ford handled the issue the best: she asked her players not to kneel during the anthem, and in exchange, she pleged to financially support whatever charity or community effort they chose along with using her name to personally support it. Then she stood in locked arms with them at the next game.

The players get to keep making their point with the financial support and name of one of the richest and most powerful owners in the league, and the team (and league) get to deflect the issue away from game days. It works out for everyone.

http://www.freep.com/story/sports/nfl/lions/2017/10/01/martha-ford-as​k​ed-lions-not-kneel-promised-back-players-agenda/721571001/
 
2017-10-11 11:33:27 AM  
It just never gets old

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2017-10-11 11:34:47 AM  

Lost Thought 00: There are going to be more than a few white quarterbacks who are going to refuse to throw to black receivers because of the kneeling. Trump wanted a race war, and I think he's about to get it


Unless you're Tom Brady who are you going to throw it to then?
 
2017-10-11 11:37:42 AM  

willfullyobscure: It just never gets old

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The government got involved when Trump told the owners they should fire the kneelers.

/sons of biatches
 
2017-10-11 11:40:03 AM  

tommyl66: Marcus Aurelius: If you're forced to stand for something you don't respect, there's nothing to stop you from dancing.  Maybe do a little Hokey Pokey.  That would drive the racists even more nuts than they are now.

What if they stand but face the opposite direction?


Hilarity will ensue.
 
2017-10-11 11:41:24 AM  
I said it yesterday and it's starting to bear out based on the initial reactions from the players over this: If they come down with an edict forcing them to stand, expect a massive strike/walkout/refusal to play by the majority of the league.

Get them scabs on speed dial, Goodell and Jerruh.
 
2017-10-11 11:44:11 AM  

sigdiamond2000: I said it yesterday and it's starting to bear out based on the initial reactions from the players over this: If they come down with an edict forcing them to stand, expect a massive strike/walkout/refusal to play by the majority of the league.

Get them scabs on speed dial, Goodell and Jerruh.


I look forward to our Keanu Reeves quarterbacked football teams.
 
2017-10-11 11:47:32 AM  

Lost Thought 00: There are going to be more than a few white quarterbacks who are going to refuse to throw to black receivers because of the kneeling. Trump wanted a race war, and I think he's about to get it


Looks like Ertz gets a real workout in Philly then.
 
2017-10-11 11:49:38 AM  
Standing during the anthem because the rules say you have to isn't showing respect, it's avoiding a penalty.

"I'm just standing so I don't get fined" is not a patriotic sentiment.
 
2017-10-11 11:55:57 AM  

PlaidJaguar: Standing during the anthem because the rules say you have to isn't showing respect, it's avoiding a penalty.


Forcing protesters to stand for the anthem IS the penalty. The whole point of an edict like this is to deny the players any power of speech.
 
2017-10-11 12:00:04 PM  

sigdiamond2000: PlaidJaguar: Standing during the anthem because the rules say you have to isn't showing respect, it's avoiding a penalty.

Forcing protesters to stand for the anthem IS the penalty. The whole point of an edict like this is to deny the players any power of speech.


No, forcing all players to stand for the anthem is not itself a penalty.  Yes, denying the players the platform for speech is the motive for the rule.  But the players aren't going to be strapped into racks and physically restrained from taking any other posture, the rule would impose some sort of penalty - presumably fine and/or suspension.
 
2017-10-11 12:00:33 PM  

sigdiamond2000: I said it yesterday and it's starting to bear out based on the initial reactions from the players over this: If they come down with an edict forcing them to stand, expect a massive strike/walkout/refusal to play by the majority of the league.

Get them scabs on speed dial, Goodell and Jerruh.


If things pan out as you suggested - and signs are pointing in that very direction at the moment - the current season may well be over in the next 1-2 weeks, since I doubt many/any of the owners could get enough scab players together fast enough to field a team in time.

Bottom line:  It is possible that the history books record that the seeds of the NFL's demise were planted at a political rally in Alabama, and fomented with the full support and leverage of the office of the President.
 
2017-10-11 12:05:19 PM  

PlaidJaguar: sigdiamond2000: PlaidJaguar: Standing during the anthem because the rules say you have to isn't showing respect, it's avoiding a penalty.

Forcing protesters to stand for the anthem IS the penalty. The whole point of an edict like this is to deny the players any power of speech.

No, forcing all players to stand for the anthem is not itself a penalty.  Yes, denying the players the platform for speech is the motive for the rule.  But the players aren't going to be strapped into racks and physically restrained from taking any other posture, the rule would impose some sort of penalty - presumably fine and/or suspension.


I think we're splitting hairs here.
 
2017-10-11 12:23:01 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: If you're forced to stand for something you don't respect, there's nothing to stop you from dancing.  Maybe do a little Hokey Pokey.  That would drive the racists even more nuts than they are now.


It has nothing to do with respecting or disrespecting the flag or the anthem.
 
2017-10-11 12:24:37 PM  
I still like my idea of just having all the players changing their TD celebrations to kneeling with a raised fist, now not only do the triggered folks have to see it but they see it multiple times per game, every game, but they can't use the flag anymore to hide behind.
 
2017-10-11 12:30:18 PM  

willfullyobscure: It just never gets old

[imgs.xkcd.com image 566x577]


Just because it doesn't get old does not mean it's always applicable. Action taken due to statements by Trump, aka the president, aka The Government, isn't the same as "you said it, I disagreed."
 
2017-10-11 12:33:25 PM  

tommyl66: Marcus Aurelius: If you're forced to stand for something you don't respect, there's nothing to stop you from dancing.  Maybe do a little Hokey Pokey.  That would drive the racists even more nuts than they are now.

What if they stand but face the opposite direction?


Malcolm Jenkins of the Eagles stands for the anthem but raises his fist. I wonder if we'll see more players following his example ... which would, of course, lead to a fresh set of sputtering ragetakes on how having your fist in the air is totally disrespectful to our flag/anthem/veterans.
 
2017-10-11 12:33:33 PM  

Grand_Moff_Joseph: sigdiamond2000: I said it yesterday and it's starting to bear out based on the initial reactions from the players over this: If they come down with an edict forcing them to stand, expect a massive strike/walkout/refusal to play by the majority of the league.

Get them scabs on speed dial, Goodell and Jerruh.

If things pan out as you suggested - and signs are pointing in that very direction at the moment - the current season may well be over in the next 1-2 weeks, since I doubt many/any of the owners could get enough scab players together fast enough to field a team in time.

Bottom line:  It is possible that the history books record that the seeds of the NFL's demise were planted at a political rally in Alabama, and fomented with the full support and leverage of the office of the President.


The seeds were planted when Trump ran the USFL into the ground.
 
2017-10-11 12:46:20 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: If you're forced to stand for something you don't respect, there's nothing to stop you from dancing.  Maybe do a little Hokey Pokey.  That would drive the racists even more nuts than they are now.


Don't even need to do that. Just face the opposite direction. Malicious Compliance at its best.
 
2017-10-11 12:48:03 PM  

AdamK: I still like my idea of just having all the players changing their TD celebrations to kneeling with a raised fist, now not only do the triggered folks have to see it but they see it multiple times per game, every game, but they can't use the flag anymore to hide behind.


Or have a TD celebration where one of the scoring player's teammates mimes shooting him, the scorer falls to the ground, and the others just walk away towards the bench like nothing happened.
 
2017-10-11 12:49:00 PM  

AdamK: I still like my idea of just having all the players changing their TD celebrations to kneeling with a raised fist, now not only do the triggered folks have to see it but they see it multiple times per game, every game, but they can't use the flag anymore to hide behind.


Yes, but what will the Browns do?
 
2017-10-11 12:49:56 PM  

Thosw: AdamK: I still like my idea of just having all the players changing their TD celebrations to kneeling with a raised fist, now not only do the triggered folks have to see it but they see it multiple times per game, every game, but they can't use the flag anymore to hide behind.

Yes, but what will the Browns do?


Uh, Cleveland Browns.
 
2017-10-11 12:53:33 PM  

Thosw: Thosw: AdamK: I still like my idea of just having all the players changing their TD celebrations to kneeling with a raised fist, now not only do the triggered folks have to see it but they see it multiple times per game, every game, but they can't use the flag anymore to hide behind.

Yes, but what will the Browns do?

Uh, Cleveland Browns.


Get a black QB and let him get destroyed by the defense, leave his broken body on the field and blame him for it?
 
2017-10-11 12:58:05 PM  
I won't know what happens, as I've stopped watching NFL games.
 
2017-10-11 01:12:40 PM  
I don't like professional football. I'll watch games if they're on tv somewhere but if this edict comes down then I'll purposefully avoid it.

It doesn't mean much but for them to consider it means the NFL will sit alongside The Tonight Showin terms of stuff I refuse to watch
 
2017-10-11 01:38:33 PM  
This is actually a good thing for the players who want to kneel. If it cost them tens of thousands of dollars to do it, it shows how committed they are to what they're protesting. I'm curious to see how many will still "protest" when they're the ones with something to lose. HA HA.
 
2017-10-11 01:39:28 PM  
Owners want the players to stand.
Players want to protest.

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What's the problem here?
 
2017-10-11 01:41:56 PM  

ununcle: This is actually a good thing for the players who want to kneel. If it cost them tens of thousands of dollars to do it, it shows how committed they are to what they're protesting. I'm curious to see how many will still "protest" when they're the ones with something to lose. HA HA.


You sound like an eight year old.
HAHA
 
2017-10-11 01:41:58 PM  
Can't wait to see the fans' response when the next player decides a Nazi salute is good idea. Or perhaps a good mooning.

Free speech.
 
2017-10-11 01:41:59 PM  

Aar1012: I don't like professional football. I'll watch games if they're on tv somewhere but if this edict comes down then I'll purposefully avoid it.


Oh no. What ever will the NFL do if everyone who doesn't enjoy the sport actually try to avoid it?
 
2017-10-11 01:42:52 PM  

Igor Jakovsky: sigdiamond2000: I said it yesterday and it's starting to bear out based on the initial reactions from the players over this: If they come down with an edict forcing them to stand, expect a massive strike/walkout/refusal to play by the majority of the league.

Get them scabs on speed dial, Goodell and Jerruh.

I look forward to our Keanu Reeves quarterbacked football teams.


Johnny Utah or Shane Falco?
 
2017-10-11 01:43:10 PM  

ununcle:  I'm curious to see how many will still "protest" when they're the ones with something to lose. HA HA.


Not everyone considers money to be more important than human life like you seem to do.  Many of these players have something to lose and they risk it just by going out into public like all of the unarmed, non-threatening, non-white people who have been murdered by police.  You know, the people you just laughed at.
 
2017-10-11 01:48:34 PM  

gwowen: Owners want the players to stand.
Players want to protest.

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What's the problem here?


Actually, I think it would be great if players did this after a TD or a sack. I beats the dry farking, or fake taking a dump celebrations they do now.
 
2017-10-11 01:52:44 PM  
I still support the players in what they want to do, stand, kneel, hokey pokey but I wont go back to watching football.
 
2017-10-11 01:54:53 PM  

AdmirableSnackbar: Not everyone considers money to be more important than human life like you seem to do.


We''ll find out hopefully. Let's see how many people still "protest " if it cost them a game day check.  I wouldn't take the over on that bet.
 
2017-10-11 02:20:12 PM  
At the end of the day, it's a job.  Either you do it the way the boss wants it done or you lose your job to somebody who will.  Period.   Those who choose not to do what the boss wants, the way he wants it done, are effectively "choosing" not to have that job.
Choose wisely.

AdmirableSnackbar: ununcle:  I'm curious to see how many will still "protest" when they're the ones with something to lose. HA HA.

Not everyone considers money to be more important than human life like you seem to do.  Many of these players have something to lose and they risk it just by going out into public like all of the unarmed, non-threatening, non-white people who have been murdered by police.  You know, the people you just laughed at.

Like Michael Bennett? (still laughing at him!)
Are you seriously trying to say that refusing to stand for the National Anthem is somehow saving lives?  Seriously?  Now we're just laughing at you...  And if you think for an instant that any of these guys would consider giving up their game day checks, Ferrari's, mansions and hot ass biatches to go sit in the unemployment line with Kapperdick...?  Well, rather than comment on how out of touch you are with reality, let's just say, That ain't happening.
 
2017-10-11 02:21:35 PM  

Release the Hounds: Are you seriously trying to say that refusing to stand for the National Anthem is somehow saving lives?  Seriously?


No, that's not what I'm saying.  Be smarter.
 
2017-10-11 02:29:23 PM  
If Goodell thinks that the protests have something to do with declining ratings, than he's doing this to protect both the NFL and their players. Unless the players' goal is to take a big pay cut.
 
2017-10-11 02:30:10 PM  
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2017-10-11 02:38:58 PM  
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2017-10-11 02:39:36 PM  
Think anyone will kneel at the Olympics?
 
2017-10-11 02:40:06 PM  

AdmirableSnackbar: Release the Hounds: Are you seriously trying to say that refusing to stand for the National Anthem is somehow saving lives?  Seriously?

No, that's not what I'm saying.  Be smarter.


No, that's what you said.  "Not everyone considers money to be more important that human life like you seem to do"
Money (to be lost by kneeling) more important that human life (saved by kneeling).
You could have said something like "Not everyone considers money to be more important their political convictions..."  But, you didn't.
If you say something stupid at least own it, otherwise you look... Well, you look the way you do now.
 
2017-10-11 02:46:09 PM  
The idea that a "majority" of the players will kneel is laughable- they ain't gonna quit their day job.  Sure, there will probably be some outliers, but damn few, if any.  They'll raise a fist, turn their back on the flag, something...but lose a game check, a weeks pay?  No farking way.
 
2017-10-11 02:47:24 PM  

Release the Hounds: AdmirableSnackbar: Release the Hounds: Are you seriously trying to say that refusing to stand for the National Anthem is somehow saving lives?  Seriously?

No, that's not what I'm saying.  Be smarter.

No, that's what you said.  "Not everyone considers money to be more important that human life like you seem to do"
Money (to be lost by kneeling) more important that human life (saved by kneeling).
You could have said something like "Not everyone considers money to be more important their political convictions..."  But, you didn't.
If you say something stupid at least own it, otherwise you look... Well, you look the way you do now.


I never said lives were saved by kneeling.  That was your own interpretation.  They're kneeling to bring awareness about the lives taken by police - you can't save them at this point, but you can change how police act.

The original dumbass said that the players have nothing at stake now, which isn't true - it's just as likely that the next cop who decides to murder a brown person might target them as it is any non-white American.  So either you're not able to follow a conversation or you're being intentionally obtuse.  Be smarter.
 
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