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2017-10-11 09:18:31 AM  
Just... for cost's sake, buy this one for all of them to use:

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2017-10-11 09:26:24 AM  
So when he throws backbreaking interceptions and makes bad reads, I get to do my Colonel Klink impersonation out of frustration.  Hey, there IS a silver lining!
 
2017-10-11 09:32:21 AM  
i.imgflip.com
 
2017-10-11 09:32:25 AM  
What are they doing?  Do they think this will help them be competitive this year?  If not, just ride out the string with your shiatty rookie QB and give him a chance to learn. There's no pressure on any Browns QB so use the player you think might be the QB of the future.  But, then, they're the Browns for a reason.
 
2017-10-11 09:33:12 AM  
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2017-10-11 09:41:50 AM  
Wasn't he already on the jersey? Pretty sure he started a game or two last year
 
2017-10-11 09:42:54 AM  

AdmirableSnackbar: What are they doing?  Do they think this will help them be competitive this year?  If not, just ride out the string with your shiatty rookie QB and give him a chance to learn. There's no pressure on any Browns QB so use the player you think might be the QB of the future.  But, then, they're the Browns for a reason.


Well, Hogan is also a sh*tty (basically) rookie, so it's really about figuring out which QB might be less sh*tty in the future. Maybe it's Hogan.
 
2017-10-11 09:43:22 AM  

SuperChuck: Wasn't he already on the jersey? Pretty sure he started a game or two last year


FTFA: Hogan, who will be making the first start of his career
 
2017-10-11 09:46:28 AM  

The_Y2P_Problem: So when he throws backbreaking interceptions and makes bad reads, I get to do my Colonel Klink impersonation out of frustration.  Hey, there IS a silver lining!


Hogan's Zero.
His jersey number is 8. Will that refer to INTs or how many quarters he lasts before he gets the boot as starting QB?
 
2017-10-11 09:48:36 AM  

eyeq360: The_Y2P_Problem: So when he throws backbreaking interceptions and makes bad reads, I get to do my Colonel Klink impersonation out of frustration.  Hey, there IS a silver lining!

Hogan's Zero.
His jersey number is 8. Will that refer to INTs or how many quarters he lasts before he gets the boot as starting QB?


Or how many quarters until one of the other team's defenders uses him like a Pogo-stick and ends his career.
 
2017-10-11 09:50:25 AM  

eyeq360: [i.imgflip.com image 363x720]


Don't be silly.  Lions love going to Cleveland.  It's practically a guaranteed win.

It's Tigers that should stay away.
 
2017-10-11 09:50:35 AM  

IAmRight: AdmirableSnackbar: What are they doing?  Do they think this will help them be competitive this year?  If not, just ride out the string with your shiatty rookie QB and give him a chance to learn. There's no pressure on any Browns QB so use the player you think might be the QB of the future.  But, then, they're the Browns for a reason.

Well, Hogan is also a sh*tty (basically) rookie, so it's really about figuring out which QB might be less sh*tty in the future. Maybe it's Hogan.


That's possible.  And Kizer was supposed to be a high upside but work in progress prospect.  All that means is that they shouldn't have started him in the first place, they should have gone directly to Hogan.
 
2017-10-11 10:07:32 AM  
The Browns are now Hogan's Zeros
 
2017-10-11 10:21:21 AM  

AdmirableSnackbar: What are they doing?  Do they think this will help them be competitive this year?  If not, just ride out the string with your shiatty rookie QB and give him a chance to learn. There's no pressure on any Browns QB so use the player you think might be the QB of the future.  But, then, they're the Browns for a reason.


Leaving a young QB in the game who clearly isn't ready yet is just bad for that young QB. Like career ending bad.
 
2017-10-11 10:25:54 AM  
"Hogan now gets his chance as the 28th different quarterback to start for the Browns since 1999."

Huh. You know, I'm starting to think that the quarterback might not be the real problem in Cleveland!!
 
2017-10-11 10:28:57 AM  
Gubbo:  Leaving a young QB in the game who clearly isn't ready yet is just bad for that young QB. Like career ending bad.

From Wikipedia: After the 2016 season, Kizer decided to forgo the remaining two years of eligibility and enter the 2017 NFL Draft.

I thought the whole point of college football was to get these guys ready for the pro game? Maybe he should have stayed in school if he's not ready. At least then he'd have a degree to fall back on when his career ending knee/back/shoulder injury occurs.
 
2017-10-11 10:35:12 AM  

SuperChuck: Wasn't he already on the jersey? Pretty sure he started a game or two last year


I think you might have him confused with Brian Hoyer?
 
2017-10-11 10:37:53 AM  

Dick Gozinya: I thought the whole point of college football was to get these guys ready for the pro game? Maybe he should have stayed in school if he's not ready. At least then he'd have a degree to fall back on when  he's drafted by the Brownshis career ending knee/back/shoulder injury occurs.


If you know you're gonna get picked high and get paid, why take the injury risk of staying school. He made the sensible long-term choice.

And college football fans would argue that getting players ready for the pro game is not the purpose of college football. And given the very different styles in the pro's, I'd agree with that.

/the really purpose of college ball is to make money for the schools off the backs of young black men
//NTTAWT apparently
 
2017-10-11 10:42:05 AM  

Slackfumasta: "Hogan now gets his chance as the 28th different quarterback to start for the Browns since 1999."

Huh. You know, I'm starting to think that the quarterback might not be the real problem in Cleveland!!


If Trent Dilfer can win a Superbowl by not making bad throws and letting the defense win games, then surely Cleveland could have at tried that plan at least once.
 
2017-10-11 10:42:26 AM  

Slackfumasta: "Hogan now gets his chance as the 28th different quarterback to start for the Browns since 1999."

Huh. You know, I'm starting to think that the quarterback might not be the real problem in Cleveland!!


You draft one bad QB, you drafted a bad QB. If you draft bad QBs all the time, you're the asshole?
 
2017-10-11 10:44:13 AM  

Dick Gozinya: Gubbo:  Leaving a young QB in the game who clearly isn't ready yet is just bad for that young QB. Like career ending bad.

From Wikipedia: After the 2016 season, Kizer decided to forgo the remaining two years of eligibility and enter the 2017 NFL Draft.

I thought the whole point of college football was to get these guys ready for the pro game? Maybe he should have stayed in school if he's not ready. At least then he'd have a degree to fall back on when his career ending knee/back/shoulder injury occurs.


The problem with that is he would be playing for Brian Kelly, who is a crazy man.  Besides, making it to the pros generally means that you can still get a football related job somewhere after you wash out.  Even if it's just assistant coach at some high school somewhere
 
2017-10-11 10:52:19 AM  

Gubbo: AdmirableSnackbar: What are they doing?  Do they think this will help them be competitive this year?  If not, just ride out the string with your shiatty rookie QB and give him a chance to learn. There's no pressure on any Browns QB so use the player you think might be the QB of the future.  But, then, they're the Browns for a reason.

Leaving a young QB in the game who clearly isn't ready yet is just bad for that young QB. Like career ending bad.


Starting and then almost immediately benching a young QB could also ruin his career.  If he wasn't ready they shouldn't have started him in the first place.
 
2017-10-11 10:53:54 AM  

Gubbo: Slackfumasta: "Hogan now gets his chance as the 28th different quarterback to start for the Browns since 1999."

Huh. You know, I'm starting to think that the quarterback might not be the real problem in Cleveland!!

If Trent Dilfer can win a Superbowl by not making bad throws and letting the defense win games, then surely Cleveland could have at tried that plan at least once.


To be fair that team Dilfer did that for was the Cleveland Browns.

/Fark Art Modell
//Steeler Fan
///but seriously, Fark Art Modell
 
2017-10-11 11:00:19 AM  
How do they keep choosing all these awful qbs? Even if they threw all of the names of potential qb's available in each draft in a hat and drew a random name, I feel like they should have found someone at least serviceable by now.
 
2017-10-11 11:01:35 AM  
downstairs

Just... for cost's sake, buy this one for all of them to use:

Just get Quarterback on the name plate.
 
2017-10-11 11:01:56 AM  

Hillbilly Jim: Gubbo: Slackfumasta: "Hogan now gets his chance as the 28th different quarterback to start for the Browns since 1999."

Huh. You know, I'm starting to think that the quarterback might not be the real problem in Cleveland!!

If Trent Dilfer can win a Superbowl by not making bad throws and letting the defense win games, then surely Cleveland could have at tried that plan at least once.

To be fair that team Dilfer did that for was the Cleveland Browns.

/Fark Art Modell
//Steeler Fan
///but seriously, Fark Art Modell


But Dilfer also played for the new Browns.
 
2017-10-11 11:08:43 AM  

AntonChigger: How do they keep choosing all these awful qbs? Even if they threw all of the names of potential qb's available in each draft in a hat and drew a random name, I feel like they should have found someone at least serviceable by now.


They've had serviceable QBs. They just dont have a decent line to protect them. And they give up too quick on them. And change coaches like most people change underwear, so even if one stays around, he's playing in 3 different systems in 3 years, etc.

Not that Joey Harrington was a "great" or even "good" QB in Detroit, but the same thing killed his career. He spent 90% of his playing time on his back, trying to distinguish between the Silverdome lights and the stars he was seeing because the Lions never had a decent line to protect him. The other 10% was spent learning a new offense from whatever 'flavor-of-the-month' HC/OC combo they hired. For all their hatred of Detroit, you'd think Cleveland would have picked up on that and not done the same, but no.
 
2017-10-11 11:12:13 AM  
It's almost as if the owner doesn't give a sh*t if the team is competitive or not.

I feel bad for the players and the fans. The players bust their asses and the fans spend a lot of hard earned money.
 
2017-10-11 11:13:39 AM  

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The quarterback jerseys in Cleveland have Velcro patches, it saves money on screen printing all the names.
 
2017-10-11 11:14:21 AM  

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Just... for cost's sake, buy this one for all of them to use:

Just get Quarterback on the name plate.


Yeah, pretty much.  Would save some money.  Their QB's certainly do not wear out their jerseys.  I'd let each individual have their own pants though- that could get gross.
 
2017-10-11 11:42:31 AM  
The good news for the Browns is that they have the Chargers on their schedule.
 
2017-10-11 11:58:07 AM  
Just saw this on twitter

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2017-10-11 12:50:26 PM  

AntonChigger: How do they keep choosing all these awful qbs? Even if they threw all of the names of potential qb's available in each draft in a hat and drew a random name, I feel like they should have found someone at least serviceable by now.


Because they keep putting everything into trying to get the next Brady/Rogers/whoever.

They don't put a solid O line or tools around the QB and put them in the starting spot before they are ready. Then virtually no QB has a chance, even if they could be great o. Other teams.

They need to just say "fark QBs" and work build a solid team elsewhere with some schmuck getting murdered in their backfield in the mean time. Once that is done you can bring in a QB.
 
2017-10-11 01:19:58 PM  
Hogan? Oh, brother...
 
2017-10-11 01:22:32 PM  

AntonChigger: How do they keep choosing all these awful qbs? Even if they threw all of the names of potential qb's available in each draft in a hat and drew a random name, I feel like they should have found someone at least serviceable by now.


Most of the league's best QBs are drafted very very high.  The Browns have not actually invested in the QB position in a meaningful way.  Let's look at the list of multi-game starters after Tim Couch was drafted and where these guys came from.  This list covers 17 years of QBs.

Pederson - veteran backup
Wynn - 6th round pick
Holcomb - backup free agent
Garcia - veteran free agent
McCown - 4th round pick
Dilfer - veteran free agent
Frye - 3rd round pick
Anderson - picked up off of waivers
Quinn - 1st round pick
McCoy - 3rd round pick
Delhomme - veteran free agent on his last legs
Wallace - acquired via trade of a 7th round pick
Weeden - 1st round pick; 22nd overall
Campbell - free agent veteran backup
Hoyer - signed off the free agent garbage heap
Manziel - 1st round pick; 22nd overall
McCown - free agent spare
RGIII - free agent reclamation project
Kessler - 3rd round pick
Kizer - 2nd round pick
Hogan - Picked up off the Kansas City practice squad -- former 5th round pick

It's not the o-line.  It's not rushing them to play too soon.  It's not giving up on them too early, as evidenced by the fact none of those guys went elsewhere and did anything of note.

The problem is they refuse to spend a top 20 overall pick on a QB and keep hoping to find the diamond in the rough later in the draft or in free agency.  The Browns continually try to fix the most important position in pro sports by looking in places where the odds of finding greatness are dramatically lower than they are if you just go draft one of the highest rated QBs in a draft.
 
2017-10-11 01:28:21 PM  
Sorry, I forgot to include where Quinn was drafted.  No surprise, it was 22nd overall, which is where the Browns also picked Weeden and Manziel.

In other words, a team that has spent 20+ years desperate for a QB have never spent more than a 22nd overall pick on one.
 
2017-10-11 01:45:48 PM  

Troy McClure: AntonChigger: How do they keep choosing all these awful qbs? Even if they threw all of the names of potential qb's available in each draft in a hat and drew a random name, I feel like they should have found someone at least serviceable by now.

Most of the league's best QBs are drafted very very high.  The Browns have not actually invested in the QB position in a meaningful way.  Let's look at the list of multi-game starters after Tim Couch was drafted and where these guys came from.  This list covers 17 years of QBs.

Pederson - veteran backup
Wynn - 6th round pick
Holcomb - backup free agent
Garcia - veteran free agent
McCown - 4th round pick
Dilfer - veteran free agent
Frye - 3rd round pick
Anderson - picked up off of waivers
Quinn - 1st round pick
McCoy - 3rd round pick
Delhomme - veteran free agent on his last legs
Wallace - acquired via trade of a 7th round pick
Weeden - 1st round pick; 22nd overall
Campbell - free agent veteran backup
Hoyer - signed off the free agent garbage heap
Manziel - 1st round pick; 22nd overall
McCown - free agent spare
RGIII - free agent reclamation project
Kessler - 3rd round pick
Kizer - 2nd round pick
Hogan - Picked up off the Kansas City practice squad -- former 5th round pick

It's not the o-line.  It's not rushing them to play too soon.  It's not giving up on them too early, as evidenced by the fact none of those guys went elsewhere and did anything of note.

The problem is they refuse to spend a top 20 overall pick on a QB and keep hoping to find the diamond in the rough later in the draft or in free agency.  The Browns continually try to fix the most important position in pro sports by looking in places where the odds of finding greatness are dramatically lower than they are if you just go draft one of the highest rated QBs in a draft.


I can't deny your conclusions.  Since the Browns have two picks in the first round (and possibly a first overall) plus 3 in the second round, perhaps this is the year where they go all-in on a QB early.
 
2017-10-11 02:04:44 PM  

Troy McClure: Sorry, I forgot to include where Quinn was drafted.  No surprise, it was 22nd overall, which is where the Browns also picked Weeden and Manziel.

In other words, a team that has spent 20+ years desperate for a QB have never spent more than a 22nd overall pick on one.


On the other hand, both Rodgers and Brady were available after the 22nd pick in their respective drafts.

:-)
 
2017-10-11 02:08:13 PM  

IAmRight: Troy McClure: Sorry, I forgot to include where Quinn was drafted.  No surprise, it was 22nd overall, which is where the Browns also picked Weeden and Manziel.

In other words, a team that has spent 20+ years desperate for a QB have never spent more than a 22nd overall pick on one.

On the other hand, both Rodgers and Brady were available after the 22nd pick in their respective drafts.

:-)


Fun fact: the pick right before the Patriots drafted Tom Brady, the Browns drafted QB Spergon Wynn
 
2017-10-11 02:09:23 PM  

llortcM_yllort: IAmRight: Troy McClure: Sorry, I forgot to include where Quinn was drafted.  No surprise, it was 22nd overall, which is where the Browns also picked Weeden and Manziel.

In other words, a team that has spent 20+ years desperate for a QB have never spent more than a 22nd overall pick on one.

On the other hand, both Rodgers and Brady were available after the 22nd pick in their respective drafts.

:-)

Fun fact: the pick right before the Patriots drafted Tom Brady, the Browns drafted QB Spergon Wynn


My mistake. Wynn was the last QB drafted before Tom Brady.
 
2017-10-11 02:29:43 PM  
They'll go 11-5 now.

/ Stanford fan, so maybe I'm biased?
 
2017-10-11 05:46:36 PM  

The_Y2P_Problem: So when he throws backbreaking interceptions and makes bad reads, I get to do my Colonel Klink impersonation out of frustration.  Hey, there IS a silver lining!


That makes 2 of us.

I can't get the gif to load, so I'll have to settle for this.
memegenerator.net
 
2017-10-11 06:26:11 PM  

Troy McClure: AntonChigger: How do they keep choosing all these awful qbs? Even if they threw all of the names of potential qb's available in each draft in a hat and drew a random name, I feel like they should have found someone at least serviceable by now.

Most of the league's best QBs are drafted very very high.  The Browns have not actually invested in the QB position in a meaningful way.  Let's look at the list of multi-game starters after Tim Couch was drafted and where these guys came from.  This list covers 17 years of QBs.

Pederson - veteran backup
Wynn - 6th round pick
Holcomb - backup free agent
Garcia - veteran free agent
McCown - 4th round pick
Dilfer - veteran free agent
Frye - 3rd round pick
Anderson - picked up off of waivers
Quinn - 1st round pick
McCoy - 3rd round pick
Delhomme - veteran free agent on his last legs
Wallace - acquired via trade of a 7th round pick
Weeden - 1st round pick; 22nd overall
Campbell - free agent veteran backup
Hoyer - signed off the free agent garbage heap
Manziel - 1st round pick; 22nd overall
McCown - free agent spare
RGIII - free agent reclamation project
Kessler - 3rd round pick
Kizer - 2nd round pick
Hogan - Picked up off the Kansas City practice squad -- former 5th round pick

It's not the o-line.  It's not rushing them to play too soon.  It's not giving up on them too early, as evidenced by the fact none of those guys went elsewhere and did anything of note.

The problem is they refuse to spend a top 20 overall pick on a QB and keep hoping to find the diamond in the rough later in the draft or in free agency.  The Browns continually try to fix the most important position in pro sports by looking in places where the odds of finding greatness are dramatically lower than they are if you just go draft one of the highest rated QBs in a draft.


And yet half the top ten QBs by passer rating last year were drafted after the first round (plus Rodgers drafted at 24th. And pretty much everything I look at ends up about 50/50 between first round picks and others.

While high first round picks may lead to better results it is hardly necessary to get a decent quarterback.

Taking that many stabs at it, a decent organization should have come up with something useable at the very least. But unless they fix the organization from the top down, that won't happen.
 
2017-10-12 12:46:38 AM  

dywed88: AntonChigger: How do they keep choosing all these awful qbs? Even if they threw all of the names of potential qb's available in each draft in a hat and drew a random name, I feel like they should have found someone at least serviceable by now.

Because they keep putting everything into trying to get the next Brady/Rogers/whoever.

They don't put a solid O line or tools around the QB and put them in the starting spot before they are ready. Then virtually no QB has a chance, even if they could be great o. Other teams.

They need to just say "fark QBs" and work build a solid team elsewhere with some schmuck getting murdered in their backfield in the mean time. Once that is done you can bring in a QB.


...and then they bring in guys who try to do just that, and people are screaming for their heads when they don't win 'cuz they still don't have a QB.  It's called the Cycle of Losing. It happens every two years. It will happen at the end of this year. Hue, Sashi Brown, and Mr. Met will be shunted aside for a new coach and FO that will be shunted aside two years down the road. It's the Cleveland Browns way, and it transcends every position of the franchise, including the owner.
 
2017-10-12 12:57:21 AM  

IlGreven: dywed88: AntonChigger: How do they keep choosing all these awful qbs? Even if they threw all of the names of potential qb's available in each draft in a hat and drew a random name, I feel like they should have found someone at least serviceable by now.

Because they keep putting everything into trying to get the next Brady/Rogers/whoever.

They don't put a solid O line or tools around the QB and put them in the starting spot before they are ready. Then virtually no QB has a chance, even if they could be great o. Other teams.

They need to just say "fark QBs" and work build a solid team elsewhere with some schmuck getting murdered in their backfield in the mean time. Once that is done you can bring in a QB.

...and then they bring in guys who try to do just that, and people are screaming for their heads when they don't win 'cuz they still don't have a QB.  It's called the Cycle of Losing. It happens every two years. It will happen at the end of this year. Hue, Sashi Brown, and Mr. Met will be shunted aside for a new coach and FO that will be shunted aside two years down the road. It's the Cleveland Browns way, and it transcends every position of the franchise, including the owner.


Yeah, people will whine. They always do. But the team needs to just tell them to shut the fark up and then ignore them.
 
2017-10-12 09:51:28 AM  

dywed88: IlGreven: dywed88: AntonChigger: How do they keep choosing all these awful qbs? Even if they threw all of the names of potential qb's available in each draft in a hat and drew a random name, I feel like they should have found someone at least serviceable by now.

Because they keep putting everything into trying to get the next Brady/Rogers/whoever.

They don't put a solid O line or tools around the QB and put them in the starting spot before they are ready. Then virtually no QB has a chance, even if they could be great o. Other teams.

They need to just say "fark QBs" and work build a solid team elsewhere with some schmuck getting murdered in their backfield in the mean time. Once that is done you can bring in a QB.

...and then they bring in guys who try to do just that, and people are screaming for their heads when they don't win 'cuz they still don't have a QB.  It's called the Cycle of Losing. It happens every two years. It will happen at the end of this year. Hue, Sashi Brown, and Mr. Met will be shunted aside for a new coach and FO that will be shunted aside two years down the road. It's the Cleveland Browns way, and it transcends every position of the franchise, including the owner.

Yeah, people will whine. They always do. But the team needs to just tell them to shut the fark up and then ignore them.


That's the problem, though. They don't. They haven't. They're a team almost exclusively driven by fans.  That is why the Cycle of Losing exists.  That is why Haslam lied when he preached patience, because he's just like the Lerners were: Image first, success second.  It's probably why he was more than happy to sell ownership of Pilot to Warren Buffett: It looks like he's doing something about the problems he's had with that franchise rather than actually doing something about them.
 
2017-10-12 02:04:57 PM  
HEY.

The coach has gotta take a stand, it don't help to hide.
 
2017-10-12 02:47:54 PM  

Troy McClure: The Browns continually try to fix the most important position in pro sports by looking in places where the odds of finding greatness are dramatically lower than they are if you just go draft one of the highest rated QBs in a draft.


That worked out really well for the Chargers and Ryan Leaf.

/Or any number of other "highest rated" draft busts.
 
2017-10-12 03:17:12 PM  

FriarED1: Troy McClure: The Browns continually try to fix the most important position in pro sports by looking in places where the odds of finding greatness are dramatically lower than they are if you just go draft one of the highest rated QBs in a draft.

That worked out really well for the Chargers and Ryan Leaf.

/Or any number of other "highest rated" draft busts.


It's not a risk free process. What you have to go with is what gives you the best chance of success. Statistically, your chance of getting a serviceable starter in the 1st round is 63%. By the 2nd, it's down to 27%, and 4th round and beyond, it will be 8% or less.
 
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