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2017-10-11 02:51:28 AM  
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He's turning into another Al Davis, and not in a good way.
 
2017-10-11 02:56:48 AM  
I imagine they are sending a similar letter to Roger Dodger after his blathering yesterday.
 
2017-10-11 03:13:12 AM  
*gets a hueg bag of popcorn*

You know, part of me is going to be extremely amused if the NFL tries to make its players Not Take A Knee and this results in a full-on NFLPA strike.  :3

/would happily be supporting the NFLPA in this, of course
 
2017-10-11 03:29:48 AM  
I hope the players call their bluff.

Lets see what the teams do when all the players take a knee or even a few of their best / key players do it.

Gonna fark up your chance at winning games by benching players? Good luck with that.
 
2017-10-11 04:08:41 AM  
I love all the right-wing rags proclaiming that "Trump beat the NFL" because of Goodall's letter and Jones's proclamation. Imagine how impotently angry they're going to be when NFL players still take a goddamned knee during Thursday's games.

It's almost as if the noun, "protest", refers to a statement or action expressing disapproval or objection. Nowhere in that noun's definition does "approval" or "permission" apply - indeed, refusing such is the whole goddamned point.

Sorry, folks, but the only thing Trump did was embarrass himself further by trying to silence Americans, to prevent Americans doing what Americans have long held as a right - the right to dissent. As a sign tried to point out so very long ago, dissent really is the highest form of patriotism. Watching Trump, and Pence, and owners worried about their wallets try to quash dissent instead of respond to the issues driving that dissent is yet another reason to feel shame and disgust for the Trump administration.

Trump has no idea what it means to be American.
 
2017-10-11 04:11:49 AM  

FormlessOne: Trump has no idea what it means to be American.


I'm not sure I do either, anymore. Now if you'll excuse me, I have to go get felt up at the airport.
 
2017-10-11 04:12:48 AM  
I honestly hope that every goddamned Cowboy takes a knee - and then deliberately forfeits the game, because, after all, Jones said that any player taking a knee can't play.

That's how you shut the owners up in this protest. It's the players, not the owners, who have control of this situation - "he who can destroy a thing, controls a thing," sandworm or gridiron alike.
 
2017-10-11 04:13:33 AM  

Tanqueray: FormlessOne: Trump has no idea what it means to be American.

I'm not sure I do either, anymore. Now if you'll excuse me, I have to go get felt up at the airport.


And, remember - if you pay for the VIP package, you can either avoid the TSA handie altogether or, I suspect, ask for a TSA happy ending.
 
2017-10-11 04:25:47 AM  

FormlessOne: I honestly hope that every goddamned Cowboy takes a knee - and then deliberately forfeits the game, because, after all, Jones said that any player taking a knee can't play.

That's how you shut the owners up in this protest. It's the players, not the owners, who have control of this situation - "he who can destroy a thing, controls a thing," sandworm or gridiron alike.


I guess we get to find out how serious these guys were about this issue.  Cynical me says "not very".
 
2017-10-11 06:23:51 AM  

FormlessOne: Trump has no idea what it means to be American human.


FTFY.  From everything I've seen, Trump's interactions have been all about "mememememememememememememe".  Whether you call it narcissistic, psychotic, whatever, it's outside what is consider the norm for social interactions with other humans.

\or the ferret on his head has taken him over
 
2017-10-11 07:02:43 AM  
As much as I would like to see how this shiatshow unfolds Thursday, I'm STILL not watching.
 
2017-10-11 07:13:40 AM  
It just occurred to me: an American soldier fighting Nazis in the Second World War could have easily had a grandfather who fought in the American Civil War. In just a spit of eighty years we nearly ripped ourselves apart fighting the greatest of injustices, then crossed the Atlantic to beat down humanity hating fascists. I think those two soldiers, if they could sit in our living rooms today, would be quite impressed to see this peaceful protest at a GAME frothing up pundits and politicians and drawing attention to a racial injustice taking place on the streets of our cities. And we watch these fighting men play, stuffing our faces with buffalo wings and Doritos. This is an awesome country.
 
2017-10-11 07:35:58 AM  
Well this is going to end well. Where are all the righties that claimed (incorrectly) that the NFL was denying players their 1st amendment rights when they wanted to modify their uniforms to honor the Dallas PD. Oh so now that you don't like the protest so the black folk should be told to sit down and shut up.

I seriously hope this lead to games with no one or third stringers playing.
 
2017-10-11 07:50:05 AM  
I'd be a so called slave for the money they are making. I'm sure they will do much better without the NFL.
 
2017-10-11 08:19:25 AM  
The walkout is going to be amazing. Even 55th string players are members of the NFLPA. Lets see the owners guffaw their way out of that much lost revenue.
 
2017-10-11 08:48:47 AM  

not enough beer: Well this is going to end well. Where are all the righties that claimed (incorrectly) that the NFL was denying players their 1st amendment rights when they wanted to modify their uniforms to honor the Dallas PD. Oh so now that you don't like the protest so the black folk should be told to sit down and shut up.

I seriously hope this lead to games with no one or third stringers playing.


The fun part is watching Tim Tebow get called up, just so they have a QB on the field for some team, only to watch him take a knee (for completely different reasons) and die as Pence launches himself from the rafters to tear at him like an enraged, but confused, ghoul.

There Pence is on the field, gobbets of Tebow hanging from his gob, as he screams "BUT... BUT IT TASTES CHRISTIAN!"
 
2017-10-11 09:00:36 AM  
So...
Bringing awareness to Breast Cancer..  OK
Bringing awareness to our Military...  OK
Bringing awareness to domestic violence...  OK
Bringing awareness to social injustice... NOT OK

Makes perfect sense.....
 
2017-10-11 09:00:51 AM  

Deep Contact: I'd be a so called slave for the money they are making. I'm sure they will do much better without the NFL.


Money != Self-respect. If you want to be a whore, admit you want to be a whore.
 
2017-10-11 09:05:22 AM  
He is well within his rights.  if the players want to protest outside the workforce...knock yourself out.  But on the job?  you don't have that right.  as a sales guy, if I were to walk into my clients place and start discussing something either liberal or conservative and they stopped working with me because of those views, I would be fired.  and rightly so.  Therefore anything I post on social media is pure vanilla.

I would love to see these players, rather than just taking a knee, be a part of any conversation  starting foundations, working with kids (and some do).  But that stuff is not played on the media and I wish it would.  protesting in this day and age just further polarizes our society.
 
2017-10-11 09:13:28 AM  

Deep Contact: I'd be a so called slave for the money they are making. I'm sure they will do much better without the NFL.


Any further discussion is merely haggling over your price.
 
2017-10-11 09:15:28 AM  

UncleDirtNap: So...
Bringing awareness to Breast Cancer..  OK
Bringing awareness to our Military...  OK
Bringing awareness to domestic violence...  OK
Bringing awareness to social injustice... NOT OK

Makes perfect sense.....


So issue a BLM sticker or patch to wear, or if BLM is too control ersdial, another symbol or color pattern to wear. That would align this response
 with other causes.
 
2017-10-11 09:15:44 AM  

cartersdad: He is well within his rights.  if the players want to protest outside the workforce...knock yourself out.  But on the job?  you don't have that right.  as a sales guy, if I were to walk into my clients place and start discussing something either liberal or conservative and they stopped working with me because of those views, I would be fired.  and rightly so.  Therefore anything I post on social media is pure vanilla.

I would love to see these players, rather than just taking a knee, be a part of any conversation  starting foundations, working with kids (and some do).  But that stuff is not played on the media and I wish it would.  protesting in this day and age just further polarizes our society.


Well there it is....
 
2017-10-11 09:16:04 AM  

johnny_vegas: UncleDirtNap: So...
Bringing awareness to Breast Cancer..  OK
Bringing awareness to our Military...  OK
Bringing awareness to domestic violence...  OK
Bringing awareness to social injustice... NOT OK

Makes perfect sense.....

So issue a BLM sticker or patch to wear, or if BLM is too control ersdial, another symbol or color pattern to wear. That would align this response
 with other causes.


Controversial........sigh
 
2017-10-11 09:16:47 AM  

johnny_vegas: UncleDirtNap: So...
Bringing awareness to Breast Cancer..  OK
Bringing awareness to our Military...  OK
Bringing awareness to domestic violence...  OK
Bringing awareness to social injustice... NOT OK

Makes perfect sense.....

So issue a BLM sticker or patch to wear, or if BLM is too control ersdial, another symbol or color pattern to wear. That would align this response
 with other causes.


If you get BLM to pay the NFL a bunch of money, it's OK.

But all that matters to them is money.
 
2017-10-11 09:17:15 AM  

cartersdad: you don't have that right.  as a sales guy, if I were to walk into my clients place and start discussing something either liberal or conservative and they stopped working with me because of those views, I would be fired.  and rightly so.


That would be the case, if, a wide receiver decided in the middle of a pass route to stop at the 50 yd line and 'take a knee'. Then, the protest is affecting the job. On the sidelines before the game is a case of literally nothing football related happening.
 
2017-10-11 09:18:19 AM  
We all understand that if Zeke or Dax kneels, then they still play, right?
 
2017-10-11 09:18:23 AM  

johnny_vegas: a BLM sticker


A sticker. Give 'em a farking sticker.

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahah
 
2017-10-11 09:18:39 AM  

johnny_vegas: So issue a BLM sticker or patch to wear, or if BLM is too control ersdial, another symbol or color pattern to wear. That would align this response
 with other causes.


You know I actually like that idea quite a bit.  Good thinking.
 
2017-10-11 09:19:32 AM  

Rapmaster2000: We all understand that if Zeke or Dax Dak kneels, then they still play, right?


Damnit.
 
2017-10-11 09:20:01 AM  

cartersdad: He is well within his rights.  if the players want to protest outside the workforce...knock yourself out.  But on the job?  you don't have that right.  as a sales guy, if I were to walk into my clients place and start discussing something either liberal or conservative and they stopped working with me because of those views, I would be fired.  and rightly so.  Therefore anything I post on social media is pure vanilla.

I would love to see these players, rather than just taking a knee, be a part of any conversation  starting foundations, working with kids (and some do).  But that stuff is not played on the media and I wish it would.  protesting in this day and age just further polarizes our society.


First of all, they are doing this on their own time, they get paid for games not pregame pomp. Secondly, there is a big difference between your job and theirs. They have very detailed personal as well union contracts that list what they can and cannot be fired for. Taking a knee before the game starts is probably not listed in the contract as grounds for termination.

Also, the players aren't just taking a knee. They are talking about it to anyone who will listen, perhaps you should start listening.
 
2017-10-11 09:22:54 AM  

johnny_vegas: UncleDirtNap: So...
Bringing awareness to Breast Cancer..  OK
Bringing awareness to our Military...  OK
Bringing awareness to domestic violence...  OK
Bringing awareness to social injustice... NOT OK

Makes perfect sense.....

So issue a BLM sticker or patch to wear, or if BLM is too control ersdial, another symbol or color pattern to wear. That would align this response
 with other causes.


That is probably against their contract. I can only assume the NFL specifies in their contracts that players are not allowed to alter the uniforms. Uniforms are the teams, and the NFL's, branding. They are very protective of it.
 
2017-10-11 09:24:09 AM  
So, do they have a plan or just a "nah, we don't agree" letter?

Anyway, this thing started right.  A true protest our of ideals.  Then went nuts when Trump biatched about it.  So it became a reaction to Trump calling them SOBs.  Now that the owners are biatching it actually is returning focus to the class and race issues it was originally meant to do.

Good.

Let's hope it stays focused on that (thanks Jones and Trump) and not on a fight between millionaires and billionaires.
 
2017-10-11 09:24:27 AM  

johnny_vegas: johnny_vegas: UncleDirtNap: So...
Bringing awareness to Breast Cancer..  OK
Bringing awareness to our Military...  OK
Bringing awareness to domestic violence...  OK
Bringing awareness to social injustice... NOT OK

Makes perfect sense.....

So issue a BLM sticker or patch to wear, or if BLM is too control ersdial, another symbol or color pattern to wear. That would align this response
 with other causes.

Controversial........sigh


They're too uppity for ya, eh?
 
2017-10-11 09:25:05 AM  

max_pooper: johnny_vegas: UncleDirtNap: So...
Bringing awareness to Breast Cancer..  OK
Bringing awareness to our Military...  OK
Bringing awareness to domestic violence...  OK
Bringing awareness to social injustice... NOT OK

Makes perfect sense.....

So issue a BLM sticker or patch to wear, or if BLM is too control ersdial, another symbol or color pattern to wear. That would align this response
 with other causes.

That is probably against their contract. I can only assume the NFL specifies in their contracts that players are not allowed to alter the uniforms. Uniforms are the teams, and the NFL's, branding. They are very protective of it.


To the point of suspending players who repeatedly violate that rule.
 
2017-10-11 09:26:02 AM  

Poot beer: johnny_vegas: a BLM sticker

A sticker. Give 'em a farking sticker.

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahah

Location:  Missouri


i.imgur.comView Full Size
 
2017-10-11 09:27:34 AM  

max_pooper: johnny_vegas: UncleDirtNap: So...
Bringing awareness to Breast Cancer..  OK
Bringing awareness to our Military...  OK
Bringing awareness to domestic violence...  OK
Bringing awareness to social injustice... NOT OK

Makes perfect sense.....

So issue a BLM sticker or patch to wear, or if BLM is too control ersdial, another symbol or color pattern to wear. That would align this response
 with other causes.

That is probably against their contract. I can only assume the NFL specifies in their contracts that players are not allowed to alter the uniforms. Uniforms are the teams, and the NFL's, branding. They are very protective of it.


My hope was to have it sanctioned by the NFL, let them try and regain their lost moral compass
 
2017-10-11 09:32:03 AM  

Tr0mBoNe: johnny_vegas: johnny_vegas: UncleDirtNap: So...
Bringing awareness to Breast Cancer..  OK
Bringing awareness to our Military...  OK
Bringing awareness to domestic violence...  OK
Bringing awareness to social injustice... NOT OK

Makes perfect sense.....

So issue a BLM sticker or patch to wear, or if BLM is too control ersdial, another symbol or color pattern to wear. That would align this response
 with other causes.

Controversial........sigh

They're too uppity for ya, eh?


LOL....The white bread from Halifax is gonna tell it like it is!
 
2017-10-11 09:34:41 AM  

johnny_vegas: Tr0mBoNe: johnny_vegas: johnny_vegas: UncleDirtNap: So...
Bringing awareness to Breast Cancer..  OK
Bringing awareness to our Military...  OK
Bringing awareness to domestic violence...  OK
Bringing awareness to social injustice... NOT OK

Makes perfect sense.....

So issue a BLM sticker or patch to wear, or if BLM is too control ersdial, another symbol or color pattern to wear. That would align this response
 with other causes.

Controversial........sigh

They're too uppity for ya, eh?

LOL....The white bread from Halifax is gonna tell it like it is!


imageshack.comView Full Size
 
2017-10-11 09:37:47 AM  

rewind2846: Deep Contact: I'd be a so called slave for the money they are making. I'm sure they will do much better without the NFL.

Money != Self-respect. If you want to be a whore, admit you want to be a whore.


Yep. As the old joke goes, we've established what kind of person you are, now we're just haggling over price.
 
2017-10-11 09:38:15 AM  

Tr0mBoNe: johnny_vegas: Tr0mBoNe: johnny_vegas: johnny_vegas: UncleDirtNap: So...
Bringing awareness to Breast Cancer..  OK
Bringing awareness to our Military...  OK
Bringing awareness to domestic violence...  OK
Bringing awareness to social injustice... NOT OK

Makes perfect sense.....

So issue a BLM sticker or patch to wear, or if BLM is too control ersdial, another symbol or color pattern to wear. That would align this response
 with other causes.

Controversial........sigh

They're too uppity for ya, eh?

LOL....The white bread from Halifax is gonna tell it like it is!

[imageshack.com image 410x282]


Don't sell yourself short, your an incredible jerk off
 
2017-10-11 09:38:30 AM  
The only thing that will change the dynamics back to why players are taking the knee is for some prominent, popular, and noncontroversal Black player have an unfortunate incident with the local police While Black, captured on tape.

And I'm not talking fatality. From beginning to end, a.simple While Black encounter that the cops don't recognize or don't care.

/bonus if it's a Cowboy
 
2017-10-11 09:40:42 AM  

EyeballKid: Deep Contact: I'd be a so called slave for the money they are making. I'm sure they will do much better without the NFL.

Any further discussion is merely haggling over your price.


I'm thinking $4.2mil/yr and a $2.7mil signing bonus.
 
2017-10-11 09:44:21 AM  

max_pooper: cartersdad: He is well within his rights.  if the players want to protest outside the workforce...knock yourself out.  But on the job?  you don't have that right.  as a sales guy, if I were to walk into my clients place and start discussing something either liberal or conservative and they stopped working with me because of those views, I would be fired.  and rightly so.  Therefore anything I post on social media is pure vanilla.

I would love to see these players, rather than just taking a knee, be a part of any conversation  starting foundations, working with kids (and some do).  But that stuff is not played on the media and I wish it would.  protesting in this day and age just further polarizes our society.

First of all, they are doing this on their own time, they get paid for games not pregame pomp. Secondly, there is a big difference between your job and theirs. They have very detailed personal as well union contracts that list what they can and cannot be fired for. Taking a knee before the game starts is probably not listed in the contract as grounds for termination.

Also, the players aren't just taking a knee. They are talking about it to anyone who will listen, perhaps you should start listening.


Are they in Uniform?  Imagine a UPS worker protesting in front of a UPS Store in their uniform.  That wouldn't sell would it?  and I would disagree that they are just paid for working between the sidelines.  you get paid for the games...interviews...practice and other personal appearances.  you are representing the team and that team is owned by a corporation or a person.

What are they saying "Racial inequality!!  Police brutality!!"  and then you have people like Michael Bennett (I am a fan) who out and out lie about their experience.  these protest do nothing but polarize.  use your fame, go on a ride along, work with youth organizations, make a difference.  don't just be outraged.
 
2017-10-11 09:44:42 AM  
While on the subject...

i.imgur.comView Full Size
 
2017-10-11 09:45:01 AM  

Poot beer: That would be the case, if, a wide receiver decided in the middle of a pass route to stop at the 50 yd line and 'take a knee'. Then, the protest is affecting the job. On the sidelines before the game is a case of literally nothing football related happening.


Do something while representing your employer that pisses off 10%, 20%, 30% of your employers customers and see what happens to you.

I support the message, but you are not immune from consequences, even if the root of your message is good.

You can't support the 'rights' of the players, and not support the same rights of the fans, advertisers, teams, etc.

The players want to be lauded for their social stance, but don't want to be held accountable for anything. We'll see how big their balls are and how much they really care about this issue.  I hope Dak does something really overt this week. Then we'll see who's boss.
 
2017-10-11 09:45:18 AM  
But seriously, a strike would be hilarious and awesome.

The NFL's destruction would be hilarious. All those stadiums being built for no one.

/the only bad part is it would make Trump happy
 
2017-10-11 09:47:10 AM  

MugzyBrown: Poot beer: That would be the case, if, a wide receiver decided in the middle of a pass route to stop at the 50 yd line and 'take a knee'. Then, the protest is affecting the job. On the sidelines before the game is a case of literally nothing football related happening.

Do something while representing your employer that pisses off 10%, 20%, 30% of your employers customers and see what happens to you.

I support the message, but you are not immune from consequences, even if the root of your message is good.

You can't support the 'rights' of the players, and not support the same rights of the fans, advertisers, teams, etc.

The players want to be lauded for their social stance, but don't want to be held accountable for anything. We'll see how big their balls are and how much they really care about this issue.  I hope Dak does something really overt this week. Then we'll see who's boss.


He's on a bye, so that wouldn't be interesting.

But he won't do anything because that's not the kind of guy he is. Plus he's the guy who hasn't made BANK yet but also is in position to make a lot of money in the future.
 
2017-10-11 09:49:19 AM  

IAmRight: But he won't do anything because that's not the kind of guy he is. Plus he's the guy who hasn't made BANK yet but also is in position to make a lot of money in the future.


He's not the kind of guy with balls? Or maybe he thinks the form of protest is weak sauce?

He's (a potential) top 10 QB in the NFL. He can do whatever he wants and not worry about money. Teams will fall over themselves to write him a check.
 
2017-10-11 09:51:13 AM  

max_pooper: cartersdad: He is well within his rights.  if the players want to protest outside the workforce...knock yourself out.  But on the job?  you don't have that right.  as a sales guy, if I were to walk into my clients place and start discussing something either liberal or conservative and they stopped working with me because of those views, I would be fired.  and rightly so.  Therefore anything I post on social media is pure vanilla.

I would love to see these players, rather than just taking a knee, be a part of any conversation  starting foundations, working with kids (and some do).  But that stuff is not played on the media and I wish it would.  protesting in this day and age just further polarizes our society.

First of all, they are doing this on their own time, they get paid for games not pregame pomp. Secondly, there is a big difference between your job and theirs. They have very detailed personal as well union contracts that list what they can and cannot be fired for. Taking a knee before the game starts is probably not listed in the contract as grounds for termination.

Also, the players aren't just taking a knee. They are talking about it to anyone who will listen, perhaps you should start listening.


Players are required to practice, attend meetings, etc. It's not just play the game. You think they just show up 10 minutes before kickoff on gameday? It's clear that protests have some effect on the public image of the NFL and the teams that employ the players. If I went out on my own time and publicly embarrassed my employer, you can bet I'd get fired.

However, I think all the gnashing of teeth over the flag and the national anthem is silly, at best. It's just another form of religion. Say the proper words and perform the proper rituals at the right time or else. And as long as you do that, you can ignore all the values you claim to be supporting.
 
2017-10-11 09:53:29 AM  
When it comes down to it, it's jerreh's business, and he can do with it what he wants.
 
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