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(Sun Sentinel)   When a car thief pursued by police jumps in the water to escape, the police must shoot and kill him in self defense   ( sun-sentinel.com) divider line
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2017-10-06 11:14:44 AM  
Was his name "Bob"?
 
2017-10-06 11:23:32 AM  
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Maybe it was a mercy killing ?
 
2017-10-06 11:34:21 AM  
Do the cops fight over who gets to put a notch in their service revolver?  Because that sure would explain their enthusiasm for shooting people.
 
2017-10-06 11:44:29 AM  
Really subby?

"the person being followed bailed out of a brown SUV in the city of Miami and carjacked another vehicle."

"The woman later told the station by telephone, "All I saw was a guy come to my window and point a gun at me," before ordering her out of the car."


"...faced off with for at least 45 minutes. "

Sticking a gun in somebody's face is a whole lot more violent than being a car thief.
 
2017-10-06 11:47:33 AM  

ralanprod: Sticking a gun in somebody's face is a whole lot more violent than being a car thief.


Shooting a man that is treading water is also a whole lot more violent than being a car thief.  Ergo, the cops are much worse than car thieves.
 
2017-10-06 11:58:39 AM  
Eh, they probably didn't need to shoot him unless he had his gun in the water with him and was pointing it at them.

At the same time, a dude who robbed a bank and then carjacked a woman at gun point being shot during his attempt to evade justice is no great loss.

He looks white, if he'd just allowed himself to be arrested he'd still be breathing.
 
2017-10-06 12:17:00 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: ralanprod: Sticking a gun in somebody's face is a whole lot more violent than being a car thief.

Shooting a man that is treading water is also a whole lot more violent than being a car thief.  Ergo, the cops are much worse than car thieves.


Sure if he was just a car thief.  That ignores the whole bank robber, double car jacker thing though. Plus he could have been Aquaman. Maybe he had his trident hidden under the water. You have to consider all the possibilities.
 
2017-10-06 12:20:27 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: ralanprod: Sticking a gun in somebody's face is a whole lot more violent than being a car thief.

Shooting a man that is treading water is also a whole lot more violent than being a car thief.  Ergo, the cops are much worse than car thieves.


Slaughtering people in a church or shooting up a movie theatre are a lot more violent than being a carjacker too.  And not only did they not shoot either of those violent criminals, they got Burger King for the church shooter.  I wonder what the difference was...
 
2017-10-06 12:43:05 PM  

ralanprod: Plus he could have been Aquaman.


That thought crossed my mind, but the river creatures would have saved him if he was really Aquaman.
 
2017-10-06 12:50:51 PM  
Did he call the water as home base? If not, then it's fair game
 
2017-10-06 12:56:10 PM  
Sounds like they should have called in Knight Boat. The crime solving boat.

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2017-10-06 12:56:38 PM  
As long as they're not using lead on waterfowl.
 
2017-10-06 12:56:52 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: ralanprod: Plus he could have been Aquaman.

That thought crossed my mind, but the river creatures would have saved him if he was really Aquaman.


Would they now?  I think I would have remembered if he'd ever wrangled gators, and I can't recall him ever calling freshwater creatures.  Does he have control over them?
 
2017-10-06 12:57:33 PM  
Was he black? The article is unclear.
 
2017-10-06 12:58:11 PM  
"Self defense" includes shooting people who are running away from you.
 
2017-10-06 12:58:38 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: ralanprod: Plus he could have been Aquaman.

That thought crossed my mind, but the river creatures would have saved him if he was really Aquaman.


Can he talk to alligators or manatees or just fish?
 
2017-10-06 12:59:47 PM  

WelldeadLink: As long as they're not using lead on waterfowl.


No doubt. Someone needs to call the EPA to file charges against the cops putting lead in the water.

(remembers who the current head of the EPA is).

Nevermind.
 
2017-10-06 01:00:11 PM  
Cops needed to earn a water kill achievement badge?
 
2017-10-06 01:00:20 PM  

vudukungfu: Was his name "Bob"?


Wade
 
2017-10-06 01:01:44 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: Eh, they probably didn't need to shoot him unless he had his gun in the water with him and was pointing it at them.

At the same time, a dude who robbed a bank and then carjacked a woman at gun point being shot during his attempt to evade justice is no great loss.

He looks white, if he'd just allowed himself to be arrested he'd still be breathing.


Do most guns work underwater? Or after being submerged?
 
2017-10-06 01:01:44 PM  

AdmirableSnackbar: Marcus Aurelius: ralanprod: Sticking a gun in somebody's face is a whole lot more violent than being a car thief.

Shooting a man that is treading water is also a whole lot more violent than being a car thief.  Ergo, the cops are much worse than car thieves.

Slaughtering people in a church or shooting up a movie theatre are a lot more violent than being a carjacker too.  And not only did they not shoot either of those violent criminals, they got Burger King for the church shooter. I wonder what the difference was...


Those monsters. He would have been better off being shot.
 
2017-10-06 01:02:03 PM  
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2017-10-06 01:02:05 PM  

Bermuda59: Marcus Aurelius: ralanprod: Plus he could have been Aquaman.

That thought crossed my mind, but the river creatures would have saved him if he was really Aquaman.

Can he talk to alligators or manatees or just fish?


Well, he talks to sea turtles, whales, and dolphins, so I'm guessing gators and manatees would be reasonable.
 
2017-10-06 01:02:17 PM  
So, man with gun in water? Water isn't insta-kill like it is in shooters.
 
2017-10-06 01:02:23 PM  
He was clearly treading water at them in a threatening manner...and obviously a flight risk.

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/Not a fan of criminals
//A fan of due process
///third slashies
 
2017-10-06 01:02:54 PM  

ralanprod: Really subby?

"the person being followed bailed out of a brown SUV in the city of Miami and carjacked another vehicle."

"The woman later told the station by telephone, "All I saw was a guy come to my window and point a gun at me," before ordering her out of the car."

"...faced off with for at least 45 minutes. "

Sticking a gun in somebody's face is a whole lot more violent than being a car thief.


Don't forget the original bank robbery.

Yeah.  Not losing sleep over this one.
 
2017-10-06 01:03:34 PM  

swamp_of_dumb: vudukungfu: Was his name "Bob"?

Wade


He left Miami.
 
2017-10-06 01:03:48 PM  
"Perez stressed that the man was armed but did not explain the circumstances that led to his shooting."

Not enough information to know whether to feel good or bad about this.  Pointing a gun at the police?  Or just treading water?  Subby assumed facts not in evidence.
 
2017-10-06 01:03:50 PM  
It saves everybody a lot of paperwork if the Citizen, er, I mean the Perp, is killed before anybody is charged or convicted.

And God forbid you have to hang him, send him to the chair, inject him, or gas him when it is proven that you have the right perp and not some random runner. That will cost you several million dollars extras.

TAKE A KNEE FOR THE INNOCENT CITIZENS, PEOPLE!
 
2017-10-06 01:06:25 PM  

Resin33: AdmirableSnackbar: Marcus Aurelius: ralanprod: Sticking a gun in somebody's face is a whole lot more violent than being a car thief.

Shooting a man that is treading water is also a whole lot more violent than being a car thief.  Ergo, the cops are much worse than car thieves.

Slaughtering people in a church or shooting up a movie theatre are a lot more violent than being a carjacker too.  And not only did they not shoot either of those violent criminals, they got Burger King for the church shooter. I wonder what the difference was...

Those monsters. He would have been better off being shot.

We would all be better off if they just shiat him.
 
2017-10-06 01:06:49 PM  
And nothimg of value was lost.
 
2017-10-06 01:07:53 PM  
I get it.

American cops have become pussified bed-wetters who feel it's OK to shoot first and determine whether or not the suspect was actually armed later. But shooting a guy when he's completely surrounded by armed officers because nobody wants to get their uniform wet...That's a new level of pansy-ass cop.

Cops used to be tough, not cruel.
They used to accept that their line of work was dangerous, not take the work because they wanted to be dangerous.
 
2017-10-06 01:09:02 PM  
Was the criminal white?
 
2017-10-06 01:10:08 PM  

ralanprod: Marcus Aurelius: ralanprod: Sticking a gun in somebody's face is a whole lot more violent than being a car thief.

Shooting a man that is treading water is also a whole lot more violent than being a car thief.  Ergo, the cops are much worse than car thieves.

Sure if he was just a car thief.  That ignores the whole bank robber, double car jacker thing though. Plus he could have been Aquaman. Maybe he had his trident hidden under the water. You have to consider all the possibilities.


None of that matters.  If he was not a threat AT THAT MOMENT (and being in the water makes that FAR less likely) then he was murdered by the police.

So yeah, yet another murdering cop this year.  How many are we up to so far?  Have we hit a thousand yet?
 
2017-10-06 01:10:44 PM  

AdmirableSnackbar: Marcus Aurelius: ralanprod: Sticking a gun in somebody's face is a whole lot more violent than being a car thief.

Shooting a man that is treading water is also a whole lot more violent than being a car thief.  Ergo, the cops are much worse than car thieves.

Slaughtering people in a church or shooting up a movie theatre are a lot more violent than being a carjacker too.  And not only did they not shoot either of those violent criminals, they got Burger King for the church shooter.  I wonder what the difference was...


Hmmm.  I don't know.  Let's see, one of these involved a suspect that was being interrogated and getting food for a suspect in interrogation is a common technique to build trust so that they will talk seems like a difference.   Eh, what the fark...who cares?!  YOU'VE GOT AN OPINION and that is all that counts.
 
2017-10-06 01:10:53 PM  
Who gives a shiat? He was a known bank robber and car jacked 2 people at gunpoint.
 
2017-10-06 01:10:58 PM  
And by a thousand yet, I mean just this year.
 
2017-10-06 01:11:10 PM  

lostcat: I get it.

American cops have become pussified bed-wetters who feel it's OK to shoot first and determine whether or not the suspect was actually armed later. But shooting a guy when he's completely surrounded by armed officers because nobody wants to get their uniform wet...That's a new level of pansy-ass cop.

Cops used to be tough, not cruel.
They used to accept that their line of work was dangerous, not take the work because they wanted to be dangerous.


Not cruel or not photographed?
 
2017-10-06 01:11:16 PM  
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2017-10-06 01:11:59 PM  

DarkVader: If he was not a threat AT THAT MOMENT


And if he was a threat AT THAT MOMENT?
 
2017-10-06 01:12:08 PM  

goatleggedfellow: TuteTibiImperes: Eh, they probably didn't need to shoot him unless he had his gun in the water with him and was pointing it at them.

At the same time, a dude who robbed a bank and then carjacked a woman at gun point being shot during his attempt to evade justice is no great loss.

He looks white, if he'd just allowed himself to be arrested he'd still be breathing.

Do most guns work underwater? Or after being submerged?


At least once.
 
2017-10-06 01:12:37 PM  
PSA: if you are a criminal with a gun the police will shoot at you
 
2017-10-06 01:12:43 PM  

ReasonedDiscourse: "Perez stressed that the man was armed but did not explain the circumstances that led to his shooting."

Not enough information to know whether to feel good or bad about this.  Pointing a gun at the police?  Or just treading water?  Subby assumed facts not in evidence.


There's video in the article.

He was in an area enclosed on three sides, and there were police boats all along the only way out. He was treading water for a solid five minutes after the video started, clinging to a wall with one hand. It looks like they decided to shoot him because he took a big breath and went under water. I guess they thought he might swim underwater all the way under their boats and somehow escape their detection when he came up for air on the other side. And there was obviously no one among the half dozen (or more) cops there who could come up with a better idea than shooting him in the 5+ minutes they had.
 
2017-10-06 01:13:14 PM  

tuxq: Who gives a shiat? He was a known bank robber and car jacked 2 people at gunpoint.


Allegedly.

And what's a worse crime, carjacking or murder?  Because he was murdered.

/I don't really care about banks.
 
2017-10-06 01:14:01 PM  
I'm just surprised they didn't light him up with a .50 cal from a helicopter...

With multiple police boats at the scene, the main remained bobbing in the water for more than 30 minutes.

So, in 1/2 an hour they couldn't figure out anything better than shooting him? How farking incompetent are our police?
How long before we address the issue that our law enforcement officials are generally incompetent, if not outright murderous? This is just as big of an issue as gun control and abortion, so WHY THE FARK isn't anyone calling this BS out as well?
 
2017-10-06 01:14:05 PM  
To be fair, the suspect did a jackknife dive as he entered into the water...I mean, that has knife right in the name of it.
 
2017-10-06 01:14:11 PM  

Magnus: DarkVader: If he was not a threat AT THAT MOMENT

And if he was a threat AT THAT MOMENT?


Then the cop who shot him needs to prove it at his murder trial.
 
2017-10-06 01:14:19 PM  
Just for the record he was white and he was armed. Those facts will put some people at ease.
 
2017-10-06 01:14:22 PM  

lostcat: ReasonedDiscourse: "Perez stressed that the man was armed but did not explain the circumstances that led to his shooting."

Not enough information to know whether to feel good or bad about this.  Pointing a gun at the police?  Or just treading water?  Subby assumed facts not in evidence.

There's video in the article.

He was in an area enclosed on three sides, and there were police boats all along the only way out. He was treading water for a solid five minutes after the video started, clinging to a wall with one hand. It looks like they decided to shoot him because he took a big breath and went under water. I guess they thought he might swim underwater all the way under their boats and somehow escape their detection when he came up for air on the other side. And there was obviously no one among the half dozen (or more) cops there who could come up with a better idea than shooting him in the 5+ minutes they had.


Thank you -- didn't see that.  So, it's murder.
 
2017-10-06 01:14:25 PM  
Call me a police apologist if you like, but I didn't read where they shot him after he entered the water.  I didn't see where he dropped his gun before entering the water.  I don't know enough about guns to know if they can even fire wet.  I won't watch snuff videos, so I'm just going to wait for the followup article that has actual information before getting overly outraged.

I'm thinking that if he was still armed and climbing out of the canal with a gun, with the potential to get back on the street and try another armed carjacking... it might have been better to just end him against the concrete shooting gallery backstop.  But, that's also making assumptions on my part, thus I highlighted the if.

I'm too lazy to google additional articles.
 
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