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(Business Insider)   Biden predicts 'ripples throughout the country' if Democratic Senate candidate pulls off upset in Alabama Senate race. Makes him want to take road trip to Birmingham in his '77 Trans Am   ( businessinsider.com) divider line
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2017-10-06 09:42:12 AM  
26 votes:
The mouth-breathers/breeders in Alabama outnumber the intellectuals four to one.  So I doubt this is going to happen.
2017-10-06 12:08:01 PM  
17 votes:
Sessions basically ran unopposed in the last election.
He won with something like 65% of the vote prior to that.

A Democrat winning the AL Senate seat wouldn't send ripples through the country, it'd be a tidal wave of terror through the GOP

It's also not going to happen.  They elected Moore to the state supreme court, then re-elected him after he was kicked out for his 10 commandments monument stunt.
2017-10-06 12:04:42 PM  
16 votes:

Shostie: Not going to happen. This is a lock for Moore.


That kind of defeatism is going to destroy this country. If you think Moore is wrong you need to fight him with everything, and stop trying to pretend we can just let places go to pot.
2017-10-06 10:19:18 AM  
12 votes:

jwa007: So I doubt this is going to happen.


Maybe, maybe not. Should be noted that Birmingham just elected its youngest mayor in 120 years, a progressive who ousted the two-term Dem incumbent. This is a Senate seat Dems should fight hard for, as they all should be, given the current national political landscape.
2017-10-06 10:37:54 AM  
11 votes:
In a sign that the country is broken. A lawless tyrant who has admitted that he would deny a sitting Senator from serving because he's a Muslim and who was fired twice from being a Judge because he couldn't and wouldn't follow the law will be easily elected. Because... ummm.... reasons?
2017-10-06 09:51:45 AM  
7 votes:

jwa007: The mouth-breathers/breeders in Alabama outnumber the intellectuals four to one.  So I doubt this is going to happen.


Yeah but some crazy is too crazy, even in Alabama.  He's polling a lot closer than he should as a democrat in a red state.
2017-10-06 12:35:15 PM  
6 votes:

jwa007: The mouth-breathers/breeders in Alabama outnumber the intellectuals four to one.  So I doubt this is going to happen.


Okay, a few things that come to mind:

1. As someone who suffers from difficulties breathing through their nose due to sinus/scar tissue issues, I most once again point out that some of us who are 'mouth breathers' are so because of medical reasons, you insensitive clod.

2. Since when is 'breeder' a pejorative? What the hell is wrong with people who have kids? Are people having kids now somehow bad? I really don't get where this is a useful insult.

3. Why assume that everyone who doesn't vote democrat is dumb, and that everyone who does vote democrat is an "intellectual"? Why make assumptions on the intelligence of people? There are indeed intelligent people that absolutely cannot stand the Democrats (right, wrong, or indifferent). Wouldn't it make more sense to characterize those who aren't voting democrat as conservatives/republicans?  I mean, in the liberal crowd, saying "where the conservatives outnumber the democrats" is the same unspoken code for what you just said.

4. I've recently fully converted to D-leaning because of the bullshiat the ultraconservatives are pushing, and i've got a feeling there're a lot of people out there going the same way. However, would it not make more sense to belittle the conservative platform while being more welcoming to voters that are on the fence, than to openly ridicule anyone that doesn't believe what you do? How is that helpful?

In general, I keep seeing the same arguments against being polite from folks here, for a variety of reasons, and I can't help but think that the combative nature and belittling tone is just as much a reason why some people chose not to vote as anything.

I get that being accommodating of people who are just plain out wrong is bad, and not fighting back against harmful ideologies such as Naziism is not going to help. But at the same time, every case I've seen/heard of people being willing to come over and join your side/leave any of those ideologies is based on someone being polite and kind and educating them/working them through their bullshiat, not people screaming and yelling and denouncing and attacking and putting people on the defensive.  The *last* thing that helps an argument is putting the other side on the defensive because then they're far less likely to listen to you and your ideas.

I dunno. Maybe i'm just getting too old for the passionate warrior stance. I'd much rather have a conversation and hash out ideas than to be belligerent and try to somehow "win" the argument and "prove" that i'm the better person. Just ain't worth it.
2017-10-06 12:16:34 PM  
6 votes:

Dusk-You-n-Me: jwa007: So I doubt this is going to happen.

Maybe, maybe not. Should be noted that Birmingham just elected its youngest mayor in 120 years, a progressive who ousted the two-term Dem incumbent. This is a Senate seat Dems should fight hard for, as they all should be, given the current national political landscape.


I agree, but it frustrates me to see people calling for Democrats to a) fight every battle and b) stop taking corporate cash, as if fighting every battle isn't expensive.

And no, Bernie and/or Trump didn't prove that you can run without spending money. Local elections are different.
2017-10-06 12:24:41 PM  
4 votes:
They cite John Bel Edwards )Louisiana)  as an underdog example, but many planets had to align correctly for it to happen. I won't go into all of them here, but to list a few:

 JBL is pro-gun, and pro-life. Not to extremes (no rape wands or free AKs for every child), but enough to perk ears among people who...

 Were not exactly thrilled with Diaper Dave. Weakest possible Republican that could be nominated.

 To a lesser extent it seemed as though Vitter would continue Jindal's scorched Earth economic policies. At the time Louisiana was just behind Kansas as ammo for anyone trying to demonstrate that harrdline GOP tactics were actually beneficial. Despite Jindal and Vitter's documented dislike of each other, on paper they seemed more of the same.

 Finally, and arguably most spectacularly, Bel Edwards ran a BB listening ad DURING LSU GAME. Football is King in the South, and even if you were taking a pee break you probably overheard the ad playing. Paraphrased it said, "John Bel Edwards answered the call to serve his country. David Vitter answers calls from prostitutes."

 My point is that cautious optimism should be used by Alabama hopefuls. You gotta get in the mud with this pig Moore. Kick him the balls while he's down from a first strike. It's a streetlight with these clowns, not elevated discourse leading up to the polls. Rhetoric and brass knuckles. Do it. Im rooting for you.

/you know else was a Louisiana underdog in 2009?
2017-10-06 12:09:58 PM  
4 votes:
Only things that will bring progress to Alabama are a superflu or a second Civil War.
2017-10-06 10:44:24 AM  
4 votes:
In no universe would Diamond Joe Biden go to "Birmingham." The only place in Alabama he'd wanna be at is Mobile. It's where Mardi Gras was invented, after all.
2017-10-06 01:35:40 PM  
3 votes:
Christ, people, if you think being mean to every conservative-leaning person coming around to the Democrats is a winning strategy, you're an idiot.

It's not like being conservative is, in a vacuum, a terrible thing. It's just that this country is waaaaaay too far to the right.
2017-10-06 01:21:20 PM  
3 votes:

Kit Fister: I dunno. Maybe i'm just getting too old for the passionate warrior stance. I'd much rather have a conversation and hash out ideas than to be belligerent and try to somehow "win" the argument and "prove" that i'm the better person. Just ain't worth it.


It's odd that during your years as a conservative, you and yours never felt the need to have a conversation with liberals about, well, anything really. Instead to chose to call us godless heathen hippy communists out to destroy the 'American Way' all the while attempting to take away the rights of women and minorities.
2017-10-06 12:09:08 PM  
3 votes:

Gubbo: In a sign that the country is broken. A lawless tyrant who has admitted that he would deny a sitting Senator from serving because he's a Muslim and who was fired twice from being a Judge because he couldn't and wouldn't follow the law will be easily elected. Because... ummm.... reasons?


The usual reason boils down to a quick and effective STIGGINIT
2017-10-06 12:08:28 PM  
3 votes:

saintstryfe: Shostie: Not going to happen. This is a lock for Moore.

That kind of defeatism is going to destroy this country. If you think Moore is wrong you need to fight him with everything, and stop trying to pretend we can just let places go to pot.


Doug Jones is only down by 5%
2017-10-06 05:43:06 PM  
2 votes:

qorkfiend: The Jami Turman Fan Club: Rwa2play: Mrbogey: The Left writes off poor and rural white people as ignorant backwards bithgots and then wonder why they lose.

Except this is true.

Whether or not you accept...is of no concern to me.

He oversells it.  Scared rural people put folks into groups of "us" and "them", and anybody who isn't "us" is a threat.   All of which is true, but...

1) There a lot of not-scared rural people out there.  They've been to big cities (and met lots of minorities there) and weren't scared by them.   Heck a lot of them work in the city even it's an hour commute.  They're fairly well educated, so knowledge doesn't bother them.  These people are ripe for the picking, not only as Democratic voters, but as candidates.

2) Democrats used to have unions.  Lots of money in a union shop, and a lot of workers there have respect of the locals.  They're an  excellent bridge, as they consider both Democrats and Republicans to be "us".  Unfortunately, Bill Clinton badly hurt unions, and the unions did not back Hillary- they may have voted for her, but they didn't support her the way she needed them to.

When we focus on those two groups, we can win rural states like Indiana and North Carolina.  However, if we insist on lumping all rural people into one group, both of those groups will vote Republican, and we've seen what happens then.

How do you square your assertion that the people of Indiana and North Carolina support unions with the fact that they consistently elect explicitly anti-union Republicans?


Just venturing a guess here: but there are many "axis" of ways people choose who they vote for.  Culture is one of them and if you play up the cultural angle (religion, history, race) people may support candidates that otherwise are in opposition to their economic and employment interests.

I know a lot of Fark Liberals(tm) point out the obvious problem with these voting patterns, but unfortunately it isn't always easy for a person to look purely from detached viewpoint when they see changes in the economy that have negatively affected their employability

I'm somewhat progressive, but I recognize that the way to reaching white blue collar voters is requires assurance and education.  Assurance that there is not desire to remove their religious and cultural beliefs and enforce some other philosophy on them.  And education (within dialog, not via bullet points) that the economic plans of the democrats will both preserve and even improve their way of life while enabling their children to move up the economic ladder.
2017-10-06 03:17:46 PM  
2 votes:

Rwa2play: Mrbogey: The Left writes off poor and rural white people as ignorant backwards bithgots and then wonder why they lose.

Except this is true.

Whether or not you accept...is of no concern to me.


He oversells it.  Scared rural people put folks into groups of "us" and "them", and anybody who isn't "us" is a threat.   All of which is true, but...

1) There a lot of not-scared rural people out there.  They've been to big cities (and met lots of minorities there) and weren't scared by them.   Heck a lot of them work in the city even it's an hour commute.  They're fairly well educated, so knowledge doesn't bother them.  These people are ripe for the picking, not only as Democratic voters, but as candidates.

2) Democrats used to have unions.  Lots of money in a union shop, and a lot of workers there have respect of the locals.  They're an  excellent bridge, as they consider both Democrats and Republicans to be "us".  Unfortunately, Bill Clinton badly hurt unions, and the unions did not back Hillary- they may have voted for her, but they didn't support her the way she needed them to.

When we focus on those two groups, we can win rural states like Indiana and North Carolina.  However, if we insist on lumping all rural people into one group, both of those groups will vote Republican, and we've seen what happens then.
2017-10-06 02:18:47 PM  
2 votes:

Mrbogey: The Left writes off poor and rural white people as ignorant backwards bigots and then wonder why they lose.


You are a boring and unoriginal drewg. Which is frankly sad considering how long you've been around Fark.
2017-10-06 12:44:09 PM  
2 votes:

Gubbo: In a sign that the country is broken. A lawless tyrant who has admitted that he would deny a sitting Senator from serving because he's a Muslim and who was fired twice from being a Judge because he couldn't and wouldn't follow the law will be easily elected. Because... ummm.... reasons?


This is what I don't get.

Out of all of the disqualifying factors for serving as an elected official in the US, how is "being removed from office for cause" not a disqualifier for holding future office?
2017-10-06 12:27:48 PM  
2 votes:

dickfreckle: My point is that cautious optimism should be used by Alabama hopefuls. You gotta get in the mud with this pig Moore. Kick him the balls while he's down from a first strike. It's a streetlight with these clowns, not elevated discourse leading up to the polls. Rhetoric and brass knuckles. Do it. Im rooting for you.


To me every Congressional race should be treated as a street fight, especially if Republicans are spoiling for one.
2017-10-06 12:20:29 PM  
2 votes:

Dafatone: I agree, but it frustrates me to see people calling for Democrats to a) fight every battle and b) stop taking corporate cash, as if fighting every battle isn't expensive.


Yeah, you won't see me making that argument. Until campaign finance reforms are made, Dems should play on the same field with the same rules that Reps are.
2017-10-06 11:23:15 AM  
2 votes:
Not going to happen. This is a lock for Moore.
2017-10-06 03:17:42 PM  
1 vote:

mdemon81: Dafatone: mdemon81: Dafatone: Christ, people, if you think being mean to every conservative-leaning person coming around to the Democrats is a winning strategy, you're an idiot.

It's not like being conservative is, in a vacuum, a terrible thing. It's just that this country is waaaaaay too far to the right.

One, this is Fark. No one here is changing their minds about anything. Two, 'conservatism' in the United States is morally and ethically bankrupt. I can get along with a dictionary definition conservative but that's a far cry from what the political movement currently embodies so your second sentence is entirely pointless.

How does it help to attack people who are coming around to our side?

If it takes the threat of being associated with literal nazis for them to come around then perhaps I don't think highly enough of them to treat them very well, politics be damned.


And your feelings about who you think highly of are worth letting the Nazis win elections?
2017-10-06 03:12:43 PM  
1 vote:
The man has an immaculate '67 Vette. What would he want with a Trans-Am?
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2017-10-06 03:04:35 PM  
1 vote:

Mrbogey: The Left writes off poor and rural white people as ignorant backwards bigots and then wonder why they lose.


Except this is true.

Whether or not you accept...is of no concern to me.
2017-10-06 02:50:10 PM  
1 vote:

Dafatone: mdemon81: Dafatone: Christ, people, if you think being mean to every conservative-leaning person coming around to the Democrats is a winning strategy, you're an idiot.

It's not like being conservative is, in a vacuum, a terrible thing. It's just that this country is waaaaaay too far to the right.

One, this is Fark. No one here is changing their minds about anything. Two, 'conservatism' in the United States is morally and ethically bankrupt. I can get along with a dictionary definition conservative but that's a far cry from what the political movement currently embodies so your second sentence is entirely pointless.

How does it help to attack people who are coming around to our side?


If it takes the threat of being associated with literal nazis for them to come around then perhaps I don't think highly enough of them to treat them very well, politics be damned.
2017-10-06 02:37:55 PM  
1 vote:

mdemon81: Dafatone: Christ, people, if you think being mean to every conservative-leaning person coming around to the Democrats is a winning strategy, you're an idiot.

It's not like being conservative is, in a vacuum, a terrible thing. It's just that this country is waaaaaay too far to the right.

One, this is Fark. No one here is changing their minds about anything. Two, 'conservatism' in the United States is morally and ethically bankrupt. I can get along with a dictionary definition conservative but that's a far cry from what the political movement currently embodies so your second sentence is entirely pointless.


How does it help to attack people who are coming around to our side?
2017-10-06 02:13:28 PM  
1 vote:
The Left writes off poor and rural white people as ignorant backwards bigots and then wonder why they lose.
2017-10-06 01:45:45 PM  
1 vote:
I predict shock and confusion on Fark as the new status quot continues to be maintained across the land.
2017-10-06 01:31:52 PM  
1 vote:

dickfreckle: Rwa2play: dickfreckle: My point is that cautious optimism should be used by Alabama hopefuls. You gotta get in the mud with this pig Moore. Kick him the balls while he's down from a first strike. It's a streetlight with these clowns, not elevated discourse leading up to the polls. Rhetoric and brass knuckles. Do it. Im rooting for you.

To me every Congressional race should be treated as a street fight, especially if Republicans are spoiling for one.

 No, it's a streetlight.


Street light
It's the only light I know
2017-10-06 01:30:01 PM  
1 vote:
I've got a very liberal aunt who works as a research scientist along with her husband at Auburn. She is immensely frustrated at being surrounded by a sea of red yet at the same time she thinks it is a fascinating thing to watch when she can take her emotions out of it. Everybody in the family has given her shiat over Senator Roy Moore for a decade now, she really loves that fellow representing her state.
2017-10-06 01:20:25 PM  
1 vote:

Kit Fister: jwa007: The mouth-breathers/breeders in Alabama outnumber the intellectuals four to one.  So I doubt this is going to happen.

Okay, a few things that come to mind:

1. As someone who suffers from difficulties breathing through their nose due to sinus/scar tissue issues, I most once again point out that some of us who are 'mouth breathers' are so because of medical reasons, you insensitive clod.

2. Since when is 'breeder' a pejorative? What the hell is wrong with people who have kids? Are people having kids now somehow bad? I really don't get where this is a useful insult.

3. Why assume that everyone who doesn't vote democrat is dumb, and that everyone who does vote democrat is an "intellectual"? Why make assumptions on the intelligence of people? There are indeed intelligent people that absolutely cannot stand the Democrats (right, wrong, or indifferent). Wouldn't it make more sense to characterize those who aren't voting democrat as conservatives/republicans?  I mean, in the liberal crowd, saying "where the conservatives outnumber the democrats" is the same unspoken code for what you just said.

4. I've recently fully converted to D-leaning because of the bullshiat the ultraconservatives are pushing, and i've got a feeling there're a lot of people out there going the same way. However, would it not make more sense to belittle the conservative platform while being more welcoming to voters that are on the fence, than to openly ridicule anyone that doesn't believe what you do? How is that helpful?

In general, I keep seeing the same arguments against being polite from folks here, for a variety of reasons, and I can't help but think that the combative nature and belittling tone is just as much a reason why some people chose not to vote as anything.

I get that being accommodating of people who are just plain out wrong is bad, and not fighting back against harmful ideologies such as Naziism is not going to help. But at the same time, every case I've seen/heard of peo ...


You're right, but unfortunately, it's human nature to be more interested in crowing about how right you are than actually focus on winning.
2017-10-06 01:14:07 PM  
1 vote:

Kit Fister: jwa007: The mouth-breathers/breeders in Alabama outnumber the intellectuals four to one.  So I doubt this is going to happen.

Okay, a few things that come to mind:

1. As someone who suffers from difficulties breathing through their nose due to sinus/scar tissue issues, I most once again point out that some of us who are 'mouth breathers' are so because of medical reasons, you insensitive clod.

2. Since when is 'breeder' a pejorative? What the hell is wrong with people who have kids? Are people having kids now somehow bad? I really don't get where this is a useful insult.

3. Why assume that everyone who doesn't vote democrat is dumb, and that everyone who does vote democrat is an "intellectual"? Why make assumptions on the intelligence of people? There are indeed intelligent people that absolutely cannot stand the Democrats (right, wrong, or indifferent). Wouldn't it make more sense to characterize those who aren't voting democrat as conservatives/republicans?  I mean, in the liberal crowd, saying "where the conservatives outnumber the democrats" is the same unspoken code for what you just said.

4. I've recently fully converted to D-leaning because of the bullshiat the ultraconservatives are pushing, and i've got a feeling there're a lot of people out there going the same way. However, would it not make more sense to belittle the conservative platform while being more welcoming to voters that are on the fence, than to openly ridicule anyone that doesn't believe what you do? How is that helpful?

In general, I keep seeing the same arguments against being polite from folks here, for a variety of reasons, and I can't help but think that the combative nature and belittling tone is just as much a reason why some people chose not to vote as anything.

I get that being accommodating of people who are just plain out wrong is bad, and not fighting back against harmful ideologies such as Naziism is not going to help. But at the same time, every case I've seen/heard of people being willing to come over and join your side/leave any of those ideologies is based on someone being polite and kind and educating them/working them through their bullshiat, not people screaming and yelling and denouncing and attacking and putting people on the defensive.  The *last* thing that helps an argument is putting the other side on the defensive because then they're far less likely to listen to you and your ideas.

I dunno. Maybe i'm just getting too old for the passionate warrior stance. I'd much rather have a conversation and hash out ideas than to be belligerent and try to somehow "win" the argument and "prove" that i'm the better person. Just ain't worth it.


So, the years of Muslim hate, gay hate, woman hate, disdain for the poor, disdain for regulation, those were all fine with you, but it's only most recently that the GOP has gone too far for you.

I'm sorry I didn't bake you a pie to welcome you into the "Resistance," But you certainly took your sweet time arriving at that conclusion, and you let a lot of bullshiat pass during that time.
2017-10-06 12:26:05 PM  
1 vote:

EyeballKid: Rwa2play: Ambivalence: jwa007: The mouth-breathers/breeders in Alabama outnumber the intellectuals four to one.  So I doubt this is going to happen.

Yeah but some crazy is too crazy, even in Alabama.  He's polling a lot closer than he should as a democrat in a red state.

Hasn't that been the pattern with all the special elections?  Democrats don't win but they cut very close.

Now, if he wins?  Republicans go to DERPCON1.  I think Moore will pull it out but if it's any closer than 5 points Republicans should get very concerned that if deep red state Alabama is that close, the country can't be not that far behind.

Tell that to Jon Ossoff.


You didn't see that?  SC5 (which was going on the same night as GA6) was supposed to be a shoo-in but the margin was even closer than Ossoff's defeat.

Also:  Remember when we all thought Trump wouldn't win?
2017-10-06 12:22:54 PM  
1 vote:

Rwa2play: Ambivalence: jwa007: The mouth-breathers/breeders in Alabama outnumber the intellectuals four to one.  So I doubt this is going to happen.

Yeah but some crazy is too crazy, even in Alabama.  He's polling a lot closer than he should as a democrat in a red state.

Hasn't that been the pattern with all the special elections?  Democrats don't win but they cut very close.

Now, if he wins?  Republicans go to DERPCON1.  I think Moore will pull it out but if it's any closer than 5 points Republicans should get very concerned that if deep red state Alabama is that close, the country can't be not that far behind.


Tell that to Jon Ossoff.
2017-10-06 12:20:45 PM  
1 vote:

Ambivalence: jwa007: The mouth-breathers/breeders in Alabama outnumber the intellectuals four to one.  So I doubt this is going to happen.

Yeah but some crazy is too crazy, even in Alabama.  He's polling a lot closer than he should as a democrat in a red state.


Hasn't that been the pattern with all the special elections?  Democrats don't win but they cut very close.

Now, if he wins?  Republicans go to DERPCON1.  I think Moore will pull it out but if it's any closer than 5 points Republicans should get very concerned that if deep red state Alabama is that close, the country can't be not that far behind.
2017-10-06 12:18:32 PM  
1 vote:
Dougie Jones for Senate!  Mr Jackpots all the way!

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2017-10-06 12:09:22 PM  
1 vote:
This ain't suburban Atlanta.  It won't even be close.
2017-10-06 12:05:22 PM  
1 vote:

Dusk-You-n-Me: jwa007: So I doubt this is going to happen.

Maybe, maybe not. Should be noted that Birmingham just elected its youngest mayor in 120 years, a progressive who ousted the two-term Dem incumbent. This is a Senate seat Dems should fight hard for, as they all should be, given the current national political landscape.


Yeah, but the cities don't necessarily have that big of an impact on a statewide race. IIRC Jackson, Mississippi's mayor (or maybe it's previous mayor) was black and Muslim. But you'd never know that from looking at the rest of the state.
2017-10-06 10:08:07 AM  
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2017-10-06 09:59:37 AM  
1 vote:
He actually said "nipples" and was misquoted.
 
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