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(Business Insider)   Biden predicts 'ripples throughout the country' if Democratic Senate candidate pulls off upset in Alabama Senate race. Makes him want to take road trip to Birmingham in his '77 Trans Am   ( businessinsider.com) divider line
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2017-10-06 09:42:12 AM  
The mouth-breathers/breeders in Alabama outnumber the intellectuals four to one.  So I doubt this is going to happen.
 
2017-10-06 09:51:45 AM  

jwa007: The mouth-breathers/breeders in Alabama outnumber the intellectuals four to one.  So I doubt this is going to happen.


Yeah but some crazy is too crazy, even in Alabama.  He's polling a lot closer than he should as a democrat in a red state.
 
2017-10-06 09:59:37 AM  
He actually said "nipples" and was misquoted.
 
2017-10-06 10:08:07 AM  
img.fark.net
 
2017-10-06 10:19:18 AM  

jwa007: So I doubt this is going to happen.


Maybe, maybe not. Should be noted that Birmingham just elected its youngest mayor in 120 years, a progressive who ousted the two-term Dem incumbent. This is a Senate seat Dems should fight hard for, as they all should be, given the current national political landscape.
 
2017-10-06 10:37:54 AM  
In a sign that the country is broken. A lawless tyrant who has admitted that he would deny a sitting Senator from serving because he's a Muslim and who was fired twice from being a Judge because he couldn't and wouldn't follow the law will be easily elected. Because... ummm.... reasons?
 
2017-10-06 10:44:24 AM  
In no universe would Diamond Joe Biden go to "Birmingham." The only place in Alabama he'd wanna be at is Mobile. It's where Mardi Gras was invented, after all.
 
2017-10-06 11:23:15 AM  
Not going to happen. This is a lock for Moore.
 
2017-10-06 12:04:42 PM  

Shostie: Not going to happen. This is a lock for Moore.


That kind of defeatism is going to destroy this country. If you think Moore is wrong you need to fight him with everything, and stop trying to pretend we can just let places go to pot.
 
2017-10-06 12:05:22 PM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: jwa007: So I doubt this is going to happen.

Maybe, maybe not. Should be noted that Birmingham just elected its youngest mayor in 120 years, a progressive who ousted the two-term Dem incumbent. This is a Senate seat Dems should fight hard for, as they all should be, given the current national political landscape.


Yeah, but the cities don't necessarily have that big of an impact on a statewide race. IIRC Jackson, Mississippi's mayor (or maybe it's previous mayor) was black and Muslim. But you'd never know that from looking at the rest of the state.
 
2017-10-06 12:08:01 PM  
Sessions basically ran unopposed in the last election.
He won with something like 65% of the vote prior to that.

A Democrat winning the AL Senate seat wouldn't send ripples through the country, it'd be a tidal wave of terror through the GOP

It's also not going to happen.  They elected Moore to the state supreme court, then re-elected him after he was kicked out for his 10 commandments monument stunt.
 
2017-10-06 12:08:28 PM  

saintstryfe: Shostie: Not going to happen. This is a lock for Moore.

That kind of defeatism is going to destroy this country. If you think Moore is wrong you need to fight him with everything, and stop trying to pretend we can just let places go to pot.


Doug Jones is only down by 5%
 
2017-10-06 12:08:37 PM  

AdmirableSnackbar: He actually said "nipples" and was misquoted.


Oh, that makes sense. I read the entire transcript and I was wondering how ripples could possibly "explode with delight". Thanks for clearing that up.
 
2017-10-06 12:09:08 PM  

Gubbo: In a sign that the country is broken. A lawless tyrant who has admitted that he would deny a sitting Senator from serving because he's a Muslim and who was fired twice from being a Judge because he couldn't and wouldn't follow the law will be easily elected. Because... ummm.... reasons?


The usual reason boils down to a quick and effective STIGGINIT
 
2017-10-06 12:09:22 PM  
This ain't suburban Atlanta.  It won't even be close.
 
2017-10-06 12:09:58 PM  
Only things that will bring progress to Alabama are a superflu or a second Civil War.
 
2017-10-06 12:10:54 PM  
He's as friendly as a hound dog, and smells twice as good.
 
2017-10-06 12:11:41 PM  
Moore may be radical enough to shoot himself in the foot a few times as he thinks he's fighting the good fight.
 
2017-10-06 12:13:46 PM  
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2017-10-06 12:13:56 PM  

EyeballKid: Only things that will bring progress to Alabama are a superflu or a second Civil War.


Or if Kim Jong Un's aim is off ...
 
2017-10-06 12:16:34 PM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: jwa007: So I doubt this is going to happen.

Maybe, maybe not. Should be noted that Birmingham just elected its youngest mayor in 120 years, a progressive who ousted the two-term Dem incumbent. This is a Senate seat Dems should fight hard for, as they all should be, given the current national political landscape.


I agree, but it frustrates me to see people calling for Democrats to a) fight every battle and b) stop taking corporate cash, as if fighting every battle isn't expensive.

And no, Bernie and/or Trump didn't prove that you can run without spending money. Local elections are different.
 
2017-10-06 12:18:20 PM  

saintstryfe: Shostie: Not going to happen. This is a lock for Moore.

That kind of defeatism is going to destroy this country. If you think Moore is wrong you need to fight him with everything, and stop trying to pretend we can just let places go to pot.


Meth.  They're going to meth.
 
2017-10-06 12:18:32 PM  
Dougie Jones for Senate!  Mr Jackpots all the way!

img.fark.net
 
2017-10-06 12:20:20 PM  
Help us Joe-bi Wan Kenobi, you're our only hope.
 
2017-10-06 12:20:29 PM  

Dafatone: I agree, but it frustrates me to see people calling for Democrats to a) fight every battle and b) stop taking corporate cash, as if fighting every battle isn't expensive.


Yeah, you won't see me making that argument. Until campaign finance reforms are made, Dems should play on the same field with the same rules that Reps are.
 
2017-10-06 12:20:45 PM  

Ambivalence: jwa007: The mouth-breathers/breeders in Alabama outnumber the intellectuals four to one.  So I doubt this is going to happen.

Yeah but some crazy is too crazy, even in Alabama.  He's polling a lot closer than he should as a democrat in a red state.


Hasn't that been the pattern with all the special elections?  Democrats don't win but they cut very close.

Now, if he wins?  Republicans go to DERPCON1.  I think Moore will pull it out but if it's any closer than 5 points Republicans should get very concerned that if deep red state Alabama is that close, the country can't be not that far behind.
 
2017-10-06 12:21:11 PM  

harleyquinnical: Gubbo: In a sign that the country is broken. A lawless tyrant who has admitted that he would deny a sitting Senator from serving because he's a Muslim and who was fired twice from being a Judge because he couldn't and wouldn't follow the law will be easily elected. Because... ummm.... reasons?

The usual reason boils down to a quick and effective STIGGINIT


That is the normal reason. But what about Alabama is normal.
 
2017-10-06 12:22:54 PM  

Rwa2play: Ambivalence: jwa007: The mouth-breathers/breeders in Alabama outnumber the intellectuals four to one.  So I doubt this is going to happen.

Yeah but some crazy is too crazy, even in Alabama.  He's polling a lot closer than he should as a democrat in a red state.

Hasn't that been the pattern with all the special elections?  Democrats don't win but they cut very close.

Now, if he wins?  Republicans go to DERPCON1.  I think Moore will pull it out but if it's any closer than 5 points Republicans should get very concerned that if deep red state Alabama is that close, the country can't be not that far behind.


Tell that to Jon Ossoff.
 
2017-10-06 12:23:03 PM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: jwa007: So I doubt this is going to happen.

Maybe, maybe not. Should be noted that Birmingham just elected its youngest mayor in 120 years, a progressive who ousted the two-term Dem incumbent. This is a Senate seat Dems should fight hard for, as they all should be, given the current national political landscape.


I agree that it needs to be fought for, with expectations as close to zero as mathematically possible...
 
2017-10-06 12:23:31 PM  

Tell Me How My Blog Tastes: It's where Mardi Gras was invented, after all.


Not sure many Europeans would back that claim.
 
2017-10-06 12:24:41 PM  
They cite John Bel Edwards )Louisiana)  as an underdog example, but many planets had to align correctly for it to happen. I won't go into all of them here, but to list a few:

 JBL is pro-gun, and pro-life. Not to extremes (no rape wands or free AKs for every child), but enough to perk ears among people who...

 Were not exactly thrilled with Diaper Dave. Weakest possible Republican that could be nominated.

 To a lesser extent it seemed as though Vitter would continue Jindal's scorched Earth economic policies. At the time Louisiana was just behind Kansas as ammo for anyone trying to demonstrate that harrdline GOP tactics were actually beneficial. Despite Jindal and Vitter's documented dislike of each other, on paper they seemed more of the same.

 Finally, and arguably most spectacularly, Bel Edwards ran a BB listening ad DURING LSU GAME. Football is King in the South, and even if you were taking a pee break you probably overheard the ad playing. Paraphrased it said, "John Bel Edwards answered the call to serve his country. David Vitter answers calls from prostitutes."

 My point is that cautious optimism should be used by Alabama hopefuls. You gotta get in the mud with this pig Moore. Kick him the balls while he's down from a first strike. It's a streetlight with these clowns, not elevated discourse leading up to the polls. Rhetoric and brass knuckles. Do it. Im rooting for you.

/you know else was a Louisiana underdog in 2009?
 
2017-10-06 12:26:05 PM  

EyeballKid: Rwa2play: Ambivalence: jwa007: The mouth-breathers/breeders in Alabama outnumber the intellectuals four to one.  So I doubt this is going to happen.

Yeah but some crazy is too crazy, even in Alabama.  He's polling a lot closer than he should as a democrat in a red state.

Hasn't that been the pattern with all the special elections?  Democrats don't win but they cut very close.

Now, if he wins?  Republicans go to DERPCON1.  I think Moore will pull it out but if it's any closer than 5 points Republicans should get very concerned that if deep red state Alabama is that close, the country can't be not that far behind.

Tell that to Jon Ossoff.


You didn't see that?  SC5 (which was going on the same night as GA6) was supposed to be a shoo-in but the margin was even closer than Ossoff's defeat.

Also:  Remember when we all thought Trump wouldn't win?
 
2017-10-06 12:26:49 PM  

Tarl3k: Dusk-You-n-Me: jwa007: So I doubt this is going to happen.

Maybe, maybe not. Should be noted that Birmingham just elected its youngest mayor in 120 years, a progressive who ousted the two-term Dem incumbent. This is a Senate seat Dems should fight hard for, as they all should be, given the current national political landscape.

I agree that it needs to be fought for, with expectations as close to zero as mathematically possible...


Because people always fight the hardest when they expect to lose, right?
 
2017-10-06 12:27:19 PM  
 Lots of mistakes in that post, sorry. "Boss makes a dollar, I make a dime, that's why I poop on company time.'
 
2017-10-06 12:27:48 PM  

dickfreckle: My point is that cautious optimism should be used by Alabama hopefuls. You gotta get in the mud with this pig Moore. Kick him the balls while he's down from a first strike. It's a streetlight with these clowns, not elevated discourse leading up to the polls. Rhetoric and brass knuckles. Do it. Im rooting for you.


To me every Congressional race should be treated as a street fight, especially if Republicans are spoiling for one.
 
2017-10-06 12:35:15 PM  

jwa007: The mouth-breathers/breeders in Alabama outnumber the intellectuals four to one.  So I doubt this is going to happen.


Okay, a few things that come to mind:

1. As someone who suffers from difficulties breathing through their nose due to sinus/scar tissue issues, I most once again point out that some of us who are 'mouth breathers' are so because of medical reasons, you insensitive clod.

2. Since when is 'breeder' a pejorative? What the hell is wrong with people who have kids? Are people having kids now somehow bad? I really don't get where this is a useful insult.

3. Why assume that everyone who doesn't vote democrat is dumb, and that everyone who does vote democrat is an "intellectual"? Why make assumptions on the intelligence of people? There are indeed intelligent people that absolutely cannot stand the Democrats (right, wrong, or indifferent). Wouldn't it make more sense to characterize those who aren't voting democrat as conservatives/republicans?  I mean, in the liberal crowd, saying "where the conservatives outnumber the democrats" is the same unspoken code for what you just said.

4. I've recently fully converted to D-leaning because of the bullshiat the ultraconservatives are pushing, and i've got a feeling there're a lot of people out there going the same way. However, would it not make more sense to belittle the conservative platform while being more welcoming to voters that are on the fence, than to openly ridicule anyone that doesn't believe what you do? How is that helpful?

In general, I keep seeing the same arguments against being polite from folks here, for a variety of reasons, and I can't help but think that the combative nature and belittling tone is just as much a reason why some people chose not to vote as anything.

I get that being accommodating of people who are just plain out wrong is bad, and not fighting back against harmful ideologies such as Naziism is not going to help. But at the same time, every case I've seen/heard of people being willing to come over and join your side/leave any of those ideologies is based on someone being polite and kind and educating them/working them through their bullshiat, not people screaming and yelling and denouncing and attacking and putting people on the defensive.  The *last* thing that helps an argument is putting the other side on the defensive because then they're far less likely to listen to you and your ideas.

I dunno. Maybe i'm just getting too old for the passionate warrior stance. I'd much rather have a conversation and hash out ideas than to be belligerent and try to somehow "win" the argument and "prove" that i'm the better person. Just ain't worth it.
 
2017-10-06 12:36:07 PM  

Teaser: saintstryfe: Shostie: Not going to happen. This is a lock for Moore.

That kind of defeatism is going to destroy this country. If you think Moore is wrong you need to fight him with everything, and stop trying to pretend we can just let places go to pot.

Doug Jones is only down by 5%


Yeah, but nobody really cares. Everybody always asks about his brother, Dow, though.
 
2017-10-06 12:39:28 PM  

ilambiquated: Tell Me How My Blog Tastes: It's where Mardi Gras was invented, after all.

Not sure many Europeans would back that claim.


True. Only on this continent. But they helped organize some of the New Orleans Mardi Gras societies.
 
2017-10-06 12:44:09 PM  

Gubbo: In a sign that the country is broken. A lawless tyrant who has admitted that he would deny a sitting Senator from serving because he's a Muslim and who was fired twice from being a Judge because he couldn't and wouldn't follow the law will be easily elected. Because... ummm.... reasons?


This is what I don't get.

Out of all of the disqualifying factors for serving as an elected official in the US, how is "being removed from office for cause" not a disqualifier for holding future office?
 
2017-10-06 12:46:03 PM  

Rwa2play: dickfreckle: My point is that cautious optimism should be used by Alabama hopefuls. You gotta get in the mud with this pig Moore. Kick him the balls while he's down from a first strike. It's a streetlight with these clowns, not elevated discourse leading up to the polls. Rhetoric and brass knuckles. Do it. Im rooting for you.

To me every Congressional race should be treated as a street fight, especially if Republicans are spoiling for one.


 No, it's a streetlight.
 
2017-10-06 12:48:47 PM  

Rwa2play: EyeballKid: Rwa2play: Ambivalence: jwa007: The mouth-breathers/breeders in Alabama outnumber the intellectuals four to one.  So I doubt this is going to happen.

Yeah but some crazy is too crazy, even in Alabama.  He's polling a lot closer than he should as a democrat in a red state.

Hasn't that been the pattern with all the special elections?  Democrats don't win but they cut very close.

Now, if he wins?  Republicans go to DERPCON1.  I think Moore will pull it out but if it's any closer than 5 points Republicans should get very concerned that if deep red state Alabama is that close, the country can't be not that far behind.

Tell that to Jon Ossoff.

You didn't see that?  SC5 (which was going on the same night as GA6) was supposed to be a shoo-in but the margin was even closer than Ossoff's defeat.

Also:  Remember when we all thought Trump wouldn't win?


I'm hoping (praying?) that the next few election cycles are so close/diverse that it soundly beats the image of two warring ideologies.  America has become, in my opinion, so divided along a few specific lines that a lot of nuance and compromise is impossible for moral or ideological reasons.
 
2017-10-06 12:53:13 PM  

qorkfiend: Tarl3k: Dusk-You-n-Me: jwa007: So I doubt this is going to happen.

Maybe, maybe not. Should be noted that Birmingham just elected its youngest mayor in 120 years, a progressive who ousted the two-term Dem incumbent. This is a Senate seat Dems should fight hard for, as they all should be, given the current national political landscape.

I agree that it needs to be fought for, with expectations as close to zero as mathematically possible...

Because people always fight the hardest when they expect to lose, right?


When losing by a small margin IS winning, then they can be expected to fight hard.  Also, when you expect to win and lose, that does wonders for your morale, right?  That's what I thought...
 
2017-10-06 12:54:58 PM  

Thingster: Gubbo: In a sign that the country is broken. A lawless tyrant who has admitted that he would deny a sitting Senator from serving because he's a Muslim and who was fired twice from being a Judge because he couldn't and wouldn't follow the law will be easily elected. Because... ummm.... reasons?

This is what I don't get.

Out of all of the disqualifying factors for serving as an elected official in the US, how is "being removed from office for cause" not a disqualifier for holding future office?


Being twice removed. It's baffling.
 
2017-10-06 12:57:50 PM  
The DNC should definitely spend their entire warchest on this. Yup.
 
2017-10-06 01:01:02 PM  

dickfreckle: They cite John Bel Edwards )Louisiana)  as an underdog example, but many planets had to align correctly for it to happen. I won't go into all of them here, but to list a few:

 JBL is pro-gun, and pro-life. Not to extremes (no rape wands or free AKs for every child), but enough to perk ears among people who...

 Were not exactly thrilled with Diaper Dave. Weakest possible Republican that could be nominated.

 To a lesser extent it seemed as though Vitter would continue Jindal's scorched Earth economic policies. At the time Louisiana was just behind Kansas as ammo for anyone trying to demonstrate that harrdline GOP tactics were actually beneficial. Despite Jindal and Vitter's documented dislike of each other, on paper they seemed more of the same.

 Finally, and arguably most spectacularly, Bel Edwards ran a BB listening ad DURING LSU GAME. Football is King in the South, and even if you were taking a pee break you probably overheard the ad playing. Paraphrased it said, "John Bel Edwards answered the call to serve his country. David Vitter answers calls from prostitutes."

 My point is that cautious optimism should be used by Alabama hopefuls. You gotta get in the mud with this pig Moore. Kick him the balls while he's down from a first strike. It's a streetlight with these clowns, not elevated discourse leading up to the polls. Rhetoric and brass knuckles. Do it. Im rooting for you.

/you know else was a Louisiana underdog in 2009?


It's a race where a Democrat could make a truly audacious play. The JBL ad you mentioned got tongues wagging here in LA, it was bold and pulled no punches.

With the race in Alabama being such a long shot, a shockingly stark Hail Mary seems like a decent idea.
 
2017-10-06 01:07:06 PM  
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2017-10-06 01:08:53 PM  

jwa007: The mouth-breathers/breeders in Alabama outnumber the intellectuals four to one.  So I doubt this is going to happen.


That ratio sounds a little low.
 
2017-10-06 01:11:47 PM  

Tarl3k: qorkfiend: Tarl3k: Dusk-You-n-Me: jwa007: So I doubt this is going to happen.

Maybe, maybe not. Should be noted that Birmingham just elected its youngest mayor in 120 years, a progressive who ousted the two-term Dem incumbent. This is a Senate seat Dems should fight hard for, as they all should be, given the current national political landscape.

I agree that it needs to be fought for, with expectations as close to zero as mathematically possible...

Because people always fight the hardest when they expect to lose, right?

When losing by a small margin IS winning, then they can be expected to fight hard.  Also, when you expect to win and lose, that does wonders for your morale, right?  That's what I thought...


Expecting to lose the whole time does wonders for morale, right? That's what I thought...
 
2017-10-06 01:14:07 PM  

Kit Fister: jwa007: The mouth-breathers/breeders in Alabama outnumber the intellectuals four to one.  So I doubt this is going to happen.

Okay, a few things that come to mind:

1. As someone who suffers from difficulties breathing through their nose due to sinus/scar tissue issues, I most once again point out that some of us who are 'mouth breathers' are so because of medical reasons, you insensitive clod.

2. Since when is 'breeder' a pejorative? What the hell is wrong with people who have kids? Are people having kids now somehow bad? I really don't get where this is a useful insult.

3. Why assume that everyone who doesn't vote democrat is dumb, and that everyone who does vote democrat is an "intellectual"? Why make assumptions on the intelligence of people? There are indeed intelligent people that absolutely cannot stand the Democrats (right, wrong, or indifferent). Wouldn't it make more sense to characterize those who aren't voting democrat as conservatives/republicans?  I mean, in the liberal crowd, saying "where the conservatives outnumber the democrats" is the same unspoken code for what you just said.

4. I've recently fully converted to D-leaning because of the bullshiat the ultraconservatives are pushing, and i've got a feeling there're a lot of people out there going the same way. However, would it not make more sense to belittle the conservative platform while being more welcoming to voters that are on the fence, than to openly ridicule anyone that doesn't believe what you do? How is that helpful?

In general, I keep seeing the same arguments against being polite from folks here, for a variety of reasons, and I can't help but think that the combative nature and belittling tone is just as much a reason why some people chose not to vote as anything.

I get that being accommodating of people who are just plain out wrong is bad, and not fighting back against harmful ideologies such as Naziism is not going to help. But at the same time, every case I've seen/heard of people being willing to come over and join your side/leave any of those ideologies is based on someone being polite and kind and educating them/working them through their bullshiat, not people screaming and yelling and denouncing and attacking and putting people on the defensive.  The *last* thing that helps an argument is putting the other side on the defensive because then they're far less likely to listen to you and your ideas.

I dunno. Maybe i'm just getting too old for the passionate warrior stance. I'd much rather have a conversation and hash out ideas than to be belligerent and try to somehow "win" the argument and "prove" that i'm the better person. Just ain't worth it.


So, the years of Muslim hate, gay hate, woman hate, disdain for the poor, disdain for regulation, those were all fine with you, but it's only most recently that the GOP has gone too far for you.

I'm sorry I didn't bake you a pie to welcome you into the "Resistance," But you certainly took your sweet time arriving at that conclusion, and you let a lot of bullshiat pass during that time.
 
2017-10-06 01:15:29 PM  

Kit Fister: jwa007: The mouth-breathers/breeders in Alabama outnumber the intellectuals four to one.  So I doubt this is going to happen.

Okay, a few things that come to mind:

1. As someone who suffers from difficulties breathing through their nose due to sinus/scar tissue issues, I most once again point out that some of us who are 'mouth breathers' are so because of medical reasons, you insensitive clod.

2. Since when is 'breeder' a pejorative? What the hell is wrong with people who have kids? Are people having kids now somehow bad? I really don't get where this is a useful insult.

3. Why assume that everyone who doesn't vote democrat is dumb, and that everyone who does vote democrat is an "intellectual"? Why make assumptions on the intelligence of people? There are indeed intelligent people that absolutely cannot stand the Democrats (right, wrong, or indifferent). Wouldn't it make more sense to characterize those who aren't voting democrat as conservatives/republicans?  I mean, in the liberal crowd, saying "where the conservatives outnumber the democrats" is the same unspoken code for what you just said.

4. I've recently fully converted to D-leaning because of the bullshiat the ultraconservatives are pushing, and i've got a feeling there're a lot of people out there going the same way. However, would it not make more sense to belittle the conservative platform while being more welcoming to voters that are on the fence, than to openly ridicule anyone that doesn't believe what you do? How is that helpful?

In general, I keep seeing the same arguments against being polite from folks here, for a variety of reasons, and I can't help but think that the combative nature and belittling tone is just as much a reason why some people chose not to vote as anything.

I get that being accommodating of people who are just plain out wrong is bad, and not fighting back against harmful ideologies such as Naziism is not going to help. But at the same time, every case I've seen/heard of people being willing to come over and join your side/leave any of those ideologies is based on someone being polite and kind and educating them/working them through their bullshiat, not people screaming and yelling and denouncing and attacking and putting people on the defensive.  The *last* thing that helps an argument is putting the other side on the defensive because then they're far less likely to listen to you and your ideas.

I dunno. Maybe i'm just getting too old for the passionate warrior stance. I'd much rather have a conversation and hash out ideas than to be belligerent and try to somehow "win" the argument and "prove" that i'm the better person. Just ain't worth it.


The concern is palpable...
 
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