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(CNN)   If the Vegas shooter had been trying to stockpile cold medicine instead of guns, he would have been sitting in jail long ago   ( cnn.com) divider line
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2017-10-06 09:11:33 AM  
Sadly, there's not constitutional amendment to protect the right to keep and bare Sudafed.  Nor is there a lobbying group that promotes Sudafed.
 
2017-10-06 09:22:18 AM  
Yes. I stopped buying pseudoephedrine containing medicines when they started requiring ID and imposing limits.

Someone could make meth with some pseudoephedrine. Better put allergy sufferers on a list!
 
2017-10-06 09:54:50 AM  
I just buy meth now

/They never ask for an ID
 
2017-10-06 10:05:27 AM  
When Sudafed is outlawed only outlaws will have Sudafed.

//amidoingitright?
 
2017-10-06 10:11:21 AM  

Ambivalence: Sadly, there's not constitutional amendment to protect the right to keep and bare Sudafed.  Nor is there a lobbying group that promotes Sudafed.


Bullsh*t there isn't. They just aren't as powerful as the NRA.
 
2017-10-06 10:16:47 AM  

NewportBarGuy: Ambivalence: Sadly, there's not constitutional amendment to protect the right to keep and bare Sudafed.  Nor is there a lobbying group that promotes Sudafed.

Bullsh*t there isn't. They just aren't as powerful as the NRA.


It's not that they're less powerful, it's that they'd much prefer that you take the $400 month prescription allergy meds than some cheap ass Sudafed.
 
2017-10-06 10:21:47 AM  

Ambivalence: Sadly, there's not constitutional amendment to protect the right to keep and bare Sudafed.  Nor is there a lobbying group that promotes Sudafed.


There is a lobbying group of pharmaceutical companies and they protected the fark out of their product. Whether sold to meth makers or people with colds, they profited. So they sure as hell didn't want limits. Even placing it behind the counter w/o prescription, limits or tracking hurts sales since people just browse then aisle and grab something and the extra step of asking w/o any prejudice lowers sales. Also, the boxes stolen by junkies had already been paid for by the pharmacy, so the manufacturers already had their profit.

It took years and years of headlines about societal problems with meth before any laws could be passed thanks to the lobbying of pharmaceutical manufacturers. They made the same arguments Colombia or Mexico make about cocaine: Hey, it's not our fault. People are gonna do what they are gonna do. Why don't we address demand and addiction....
 
d23 [BareFark]
2017-10-06 10:23:29 AM  
but but but but Kennedy on Fox Business just told me yesterday that if trucks drove into a crowd we wouldn't regulate trucks!

Though, oops, we do regulate trucks.  So confusing.
 
2017-10-06 10:25:06 AM  
This is why I just collect the Americium in fire alarms. Everyone thinks I'm just being safe when I'm really building my own nuclear reactor.
 
2017-10-06 10:25:27 AM  
Hard to believe two distinct and separate things are regulated differently. Especially when one has a whole constitutional amendment protecting it and the other is used to make meth.

 But they're regulated differently?!?? I'm literally choking on my gluten free non gmo muffin and my half soy double chai mocha choca latte in surprise.
 
2017-10-06 10:26:20 AM  

d23: but but but but Kennedy on Fox Business just told me yesterday that if trucks drove into a crowd we wouldn't regulate trucks!

Though, oops, we do regulate trucks.  So confusing.


We should regulate guns too. I cant believe the United States doesn't regulate guns.
 
2017-10-06 10:28:01 AM  
My new favorite...


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2017-10-06 10:29:32 AM  

question_dj: Yes. I stopped buying pseudoephedrine containing medicines when they started requiring ID and imposing limits.

Someone could make meth with some pseudoephedrine. Better put allergy sufferers on a list!


Allegra is way better at controlling my allergies when they flare up.
 
2017-10-06 10:29:39 AM  
Ah the result of the glorious war on drugs. What is really sad is you can be thrown in jail for just buying  pseudoephedrine
 
2017-10-06 10:29:56 AM  

js34603: Hard to believe two distinct and separate things are regulated differently. Especially when one has a whole constitutional amendment protecting it and the other is used to make meth.

 But they're regulated differently?!?? I'm literally choking on my gluten free non gmo muffin and my half soy double chai mocha choca latte in surprise.


An odd take going for the false equivalence argument on an argument literally based on false equivalence, though at least the article is meant to draw attention to the absurd idea that Sudafed, a product with legitimate and safe uses, is more heavily regulated than guns, a product that also has legitimate uses, though is far more destructive.

/stop hiding behind the 2nd.  It says 'well-regulated' and even if you want to argue it doesn't apply to individuals, we can literally change decide the law, as a country, via an amendment, if enough people were to agree.
 
2017-10-06 10:30:29 AM  

d23: but but but but Kennedy on Fox Business just told me yesterday that if trucks drove into a crowd we wouldn't regulate trucks!

Though, oops, we do regulate trucks.  So confusing.


We're pretty close to having self driving trucks eliminate the jobs of drivers... so why not develop self-shooting guns to put mass shooters out of business?
 
2017-10-06 10:30:58 AM  
Well, technically, pharmaceuticals (mostly legal ones) kill far more people than guns do.

So ... in this case, it kinda makes sense. Regulate the thing that kills more people.

Having said that, the drugs that kill the most people every day are not opioids being used by hardcore addicts. Prescription medication kills more people by far, just from regular side effects and adverse reactions. They kill so many people, we don't exactly how many people they kill

Drugs actually are dangerous, yo.
 
2017-10-06 10:31:01 AM  

js34603: Especially when one has a whole constitutional amendment protecting it and the other is used to make meth.


One puts holes in things at a distance and the other clears nasal passages. Personally, I find that I need my nasal passages cleared more often than I need holes put in things relatively far away from me.

/only occasionally have I considered trying to clear my sinuses with a gun
 
2017-10-06 10:31:23 AM  

weddingsinger: stop hiding behind the 2nd.  It says 'well-regulated' and even if you want to argue it doesn't apply to individuals, we can literally change decide the law, as a country, via an amendment, if enough people were to agree


That's why the NRA is so frothy.  They can see the writing on the wall.
 
2017-10-06 10:32:06 AM  
Our founding fathers could never have predicted Breaking Bad.
 
2017-10-06 10:36:34 AM  
The issue isn't about guns, the issue is about sudafed being over-regulated.  It's the same as the opioid "crisis." People seem to forget that there is a valid medical use for it.

I'm in a tiny podunk town in the middle of nowhere.  Most of the meth I see is from Mexico.  When I see locally produced meth, it's an oddity.  The fact that the local market is being supplied by the cartels is concerning, to say the least.
 
2017-10-06 10:36:47 AM  

Aidan: js34603: Especially when one has a whole constitutional amendment protecting it and the other is used to make meth.

One puts holes in things at a distance and the other clears nasal passages. Personally, I find that I need my nasal passages cleared more often than I need holes put in things relatively far away from me.

/only occasionally have I considered trying to clear my sinuses with a gun


Clear your sinuses?  Pfft, rookie.

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2017-10-06 10:37:26 AM  

kbronsito: Ambivalence: Sadly, there's not constitutional amendment to protect the right to keep and bare Sudafed.  Nor is there a lobbying group that promotes Sudafed.

There is a lobbying group of pharmaceutical companies and they protected the fark out of their product. Whether sold to meth makers or people with colds, they profited. So they sure as hell didn't want limits. Even placing it behind the counter w/o prescription, limits or tracking hurts sales since people just browse then aisle and grab something and the extra step of asking w/o any prejudice lowers sales. Also, the boxes stolen by junkies had already been paid for by the pharmacy, so the manufacturers already had their profit.

It took years and years of headlines about societal problems with meth before any laws could be passed thanks to the lobbying of pharmaceutical manufacturers. They made the same arguments Colombia or Mexico make about cocaine: Hey, it's not our fault. People are gonna do what they are gonna do. Why don't we address demand and addiction....


They aren't wrong. Attacking supply is a mistake in the drug war.
 
2017-10-06 10:39:05 AM  
The challenge is (registering guns) not the act of registering guns, it's what will be done long term with the information?  Historically many governments, as they move towards totalitarianism, have not been huge fans of private gun ownership.  Not saying that is a viable outcome, but it is within the realm of possibilities.

That being said, not 100% sure how we put in place a system to keep up with purchases.  Many of us have more than the 1 gun per person.  At an abstract level, recording how many is probably not a bad thing.  At that practical level, it does concern one.

Argument has been made, well you have to register your cars.  Not necessarily, only registration is needed for operating on public roads.  If I have 10 acres someplace, I can keep them there, drive them around, no license tag needed.

Yes, dude bought a lot of guns in a short period.  Not sure how to reasonably corral that detail and not cause angst among the, while polite, heavily armed segment of the population
 
2017-10-06 10:39:35 AM  
We need to start prescribing guns.
 
2017-10-06 10:40:33 AM  
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2017-10-06 10:41:49 AM  
Because Nevada Gun law mentiond in artice.  Sign seen in Fallon Nevada.

What could go wrong?
 
2017-10-06 10:44:36 AM  
I keep seeing memes like this.

Oh after 1 shoe bomber we have to take off our shoes, but guns!!!!

Oh you can't buy pot, but guns!!!!

Using stupid, laws to encourage the implementation of other laws is illogical.
 
2017-10-06 10:45:30 AM  
Thank God he wasn't lobbing Jarts from the 32nd floor. Of course, he would have had to gone to Mexico to buy those.
 
2017-10-06 10:46:32 AM  
There's no constitutional right to health care!

/chessmate liberdinos
 
2017-10-06 10:48:02 AM  
Laws have extremely limited effects on prevention. With enough planning and treachery there will always be success at horror regardless of the means to carry it out. Everyone else but me, you live in cages and then I'll be safe, okay?
 
2017-10-06 10:52:09 AM  
We don't need to drag politics into this issue that is clearly all the Democrats fault. No amount of regulation could have prevented this tragedy, except for perhaps Barack Obama's anti-gun deregulation of bump stocks, which should not be reexamined in any meaningful way by congress, at all. Nancy Pelosi should step down.

It's just too soon to politicize this tragedy.
 
2017-10-06 10:52:19 AM  

js34603: gluten free non gmo muffin and my half soy double chai mocha choca latte in surprise.


Look out for the armpit hair, you poor little milk-blooded beta.
 
2017-10-06 10:54:30 AM  

question_dj: Yes. I stopped buying pseudoephedrine containing medicines when they started requiring ID and imposing limits.

Someone could make meth with some pseudoephedrine. Better put allergy sufferers on a list!


Why? It's still a pretty effective decongestant.  Worth it (to me) to put myself on a watchlist in order to have it around when I need it.

/normally I just take nettle extract for my sinuses
 
2017-10-06 10:54:51 AM  

Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: My new favorite...


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a.abcnews.com

2,996 dead by the use of knives.
 
2017-10-06 10:55:40 AM  
Or if he had tried to buy and install a non-restricted flow showerhead.
 
2017-10-06 10:57:25 AM  
Having to show your DL when buying sudafed is more onerous than having to go through a background check?
 
2017-10-06 10:58:21 AM  

Smelly Pirate Hooker: Drugs actually are dangerous, yo.


Guns are actually dangerous, yo.
 
2017-10-06 10:59:06 AM  

Ambivalence: Sadly, there's not constitutional amendment to protect the right to keep and bare Sudafed.  Nor is there a lobbying group that promotes Sudafed.


There's also no law against stockpiling Sudafed, subby's misleading clickbait headline notwithstanding. You can have crates of Sudafed in your basement, and noone's going to come by and put you in prison.
 
2017-10-06 10:59:52 AM  

Smelly Pirate Hooker: Well, technically, pharmaceuticals (mostly legal ones) kill far more people than guns do.

So ... in this case, it kinda makes sense. Regulate the thing that kills more people.

Having said that, the drugs that kill the most people every day are not opioids being used by hardcore addicts. Prescription medication kills more people by far, just from regular side effects and adverse reactions. They kill so many people, we don't exactly how many people they kill

Drugs actually are dangerous, yo.


Cars kill FAR more people than guns. ~35k a year. And that's pretty heavily regulated too.
 
d23 [BareFark]
2017-10-06 11:00:04 AM  

Jaymark108: There's no constitutional right to health care!

/chessmate liberdinos


Yes, and we only bring up human morality at times that it is useful to us.
 
2017-10-06 11:00:50 AM  

ZeroPly: Ambivalence: Sadly, there's not constitutional amendment to protect the right to keep and bare Sudafed.  Nor is there a lobbying group that promotes Sudafed.

There's also no law against stockpiling Sudafed, subby's misleading clickbait headline notwithstanding. You can have crates of Sudafed in your basement, and noone's going to come by and put you in prison.


Why are you in basement??
 
2017-10-06 11:02:06 AM  

Dancin_In_Anson: Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: My new favorite...


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2,996 dead by the use of knives.


Knife:
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Plane:
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There is a slight difference between the two.
 
d23 [BareFark]
2017-10-06 11:02:10 AM  

Secret Master of All Flatulence: The issue isn't about guns, the issue is about sudafed being over-regulated.  It's the same as the opioid "crisis." People seem to forget that there is a valid medical use for it.

I'm in a tiny podunk town in the middle of nowhere.  Most of the meth I see is from Mexico.  When I see locally produced meth, it's an oddity.  The fact that the local market is being supplied by the cartels is concerning, to say the least.


And your experience can be extrapolated to everyone, everything, everywhere.  We got it.
 
2017-10-06 11:03:50 AM  

6nome: Our founding fathers could never have predicted Breaking Bad.


Are you kidding?  Those dudes smuggled rum and dealt in slaves.  The only thing different is selling meth instead of spices from the East Indies.
 
2017-10-06 11:04:05 AM  

ZeroPly: Ambivalence: Sadly, there's not constitutional amendment to protect the right to keep and bare Sudafed.  Nor is there a lobbying group that promotes Sudafed.

There's also no law against stockpiling Sudafed, subby's misleading clickbait headline notwithstanding. You can have crates of Sudafed in your basement, and noone's going to come by and put you in prison.


Go the the drug store and tell them you want to buy Sudafed in bulk.  Or call Pfizer and tell them that you want to buy crates of it to just have stockpiled in your basement.  Come back and let us all know how that worked out for you.
 
2017-10-06 11:04:07 AM  

ChrisDe: Thank God he wasn't lobbing Jarts from the 32nd floor. Of course, he would have had to gone to Mexico to buy those.


Please tell me more about these mexican jarts.  Might have to take a road trip
 
2017-10-06 11:04:54 AM  

Dancin_In_Anson: Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: My new favorite...


[img.fark.net image 512x288]

[a.abcnews.com image 640x360]

2,996 dead by the use of knives.


Disgusting, isn't it?

They should have been allowed to have guns on the plane, but libtards say nooooooooo!
 
2017-10-06 11:05:00 AM  

Aidan: /only occasionally have I considered trying to clear my sinuses with a gun



Preach, brother!
 
2017-10-06 11:07:22 AM  
The Vegas shooter will always be a mystery. Just the way he wants it. He knew that we will be talking about him for years to come. Mystery always keep people talking.
 
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