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(Pro Football Talk)   Tampa Bay kicker on missing all 3 field goal tries: "This one's on me." Apparently he can't count either   ( profootballtalk.nbcsports.com) divider line
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2017-10-06 09:16:14 AM  
56 and 49 yarders aren't gimmes, for sure. The 31? Yeah, that's definitely on him. Thing is none of 'em were even close.
 
2017-10-06 09:26:42 AM  
He might as well have cleaned out his locker on his way home from the game.
 
2017-10-06 09:49:12 AM  

John Buck 41: 56 and 49 yarders aren't gimmes, for sure. The 31? Yeah, that's definitely on him. Thing is none of 'em were even close.


That 56 yarder was so bad it missed the field.

Looking forward to our next terrible kicker though. That brief moment of hope when you get a new guy should be quickly erased when he misses a 22 yarder on his first attempt.
 
2017-10-06 09:52:28 AM  

Ethertap: John Buck 41: 56 and 49 yarders aren't gimmes, for sure. The 31? Yeah, that's definitely on him. Thing is none of 'em were even close.

That 56 yarder was so bad it missed the field.

Looking forward to our next terrible kicker though. That brief moment of hope when you get a new guy should be quickly erased when he misses a 22 yarder on his first attempt.


Chicago released a former second round pick/college star kicker just before the season started, he might be worth a try!
 
2017-10-06 09:53:55 AM  

Tiberius Gracchus: Ethertap: John Buck 41: 56 and 49 yarders aren't gimmes, for sure. The 31? Yeah, that's definitely on him. Thing is none of 'em were even close.

That 56 yarder was so bad it missed the field.

Looking forward to our next terrible kicker though. That brief moment of hope when you get a new guy should be quickly erased when he misses a 22 yarder on his first attempt.

Chicago released a former second round pick/college star kicker just before the season started, he might be worth a try!


We already ruined his career, so it's only fitting we bring him back for the mercy kill.
 
2017-10-06 09:56:29 AM  
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2017-10-06 10:01:10 AM  
Maybe Robert Aguayo wasn't that bad after all.  Maybe Tampa is to kickers what Cleveland is to QBs.
 
2017-10-06 10:03:08 AM  

Tiberius Gracchus: Ethertap: John Buck 41: 56 and 49 yarders aren't gimmes, for sure. The 31? Yeah, that's definitely on him. Thing is none of 'em were even close.

That 56 yarder was so bad it missed the field.

Looking forward to our next terrible kicker though. That brief moment of hope when you get a new guy should be quickly erased when he misses a 22 yarder on his first attempt.

Chicago released a former second round pick/college star kicker just before the season started, he might be worth a try!


They had Mike Nugent?
 
2017-10-06 10:08:56 AM  
Is it possible that it's the holder/long snapper? If you keep putting new kickers in and there's still a problem, eventually you have to look for another cause.
 
2017-10-06 10:10:33 AM  

Klivian: Is it possible that it's the holder/long snapper? If you keep putting new kickers in and there's still a problem, eventually you have to look for another cause.


The holds looked fine last night
 
2017-10-06 10:11:31 AM  
Laces out!
 
2017-10-06 10:12:12 AM  
That was painful to watch.... by the time the third one was being set up I was telling myself "There's NO WAY he misses thi.... Oh shiat."
 
2017-10-06 10:12:14 AM  

abmoraz: Maybe Robert Aguayo wasn't that bad after all.  Maybe Tampa is to kickers what Cleveland is to QBs.


The Curse of Igwebuike
 
2017-10-06 10:12:23 AM  
Aguayo is available. If not him, then there's probably a good kicker available in the first round next year.

/remember vividly discussing the stupidity of that pick with people who insisted it was fine
 
2017-10-06 10:14:12 AM  
How stupid do you have to be to draft a kicker
 
2017-10-06 10:14:44 AM  

Klivian: Is it possible that it's the holder/long snapper? If you keep putting new kickers in and there's still a problem, eventually you have to look for another cause.


On the missed 31-yarder they did a slow motion replay of the snap and hold.  Holder got it down clean, turned the laces away and held it correctly.  (Linked since NFL is prevented embeds)  Folk just completely miffed it
 
2017-10-06 10:15:14 AM  

Klivian: Is it possible that it's the holder/long snapper? If you keep putting new kickers in and there's still a problem, eventually you have to look for another cause.


God hates Tampa Bay?
 
2017-10-06 10:15:39 AM  
Before I clicked I thought it was an old story about Steven Hauschka.

He's definitely not the greatest NFL scorer of all time: Al Del Greco.
 
2017-10-06 10:17:03 AM  

Klivian: Is it possible that it's the holder/long snapper? If you keep putting new kickers in and there's still a problem, eventually you have to look for another cause.


Perhaps it's a faulty kicker picker.
 
2017-10-06 10:17:06 AM  

Glockenspiel Hero: Klivian: Is it possible that it's the holder/long snapper? If you keep putting new kickers in and there's still a problem, eventually you have to look for another cause.

On the missed 31-yarder they did a slow motion replay of the snap and hold.  Holder got it down clean, turned the laces away and held it correctly.  (Linked since NFL is prevented embeds)  Folk just completely miffed it


yeah - the 31-yarder was all about him being in his own head. They showed one of the coaches talking to him after one of the misses (maybe that one?) - he's going to need to talk to a shrink or something
 
2017-10-06 10:20:45 AM  
Missed the game but took Tampa Bay (plus 4) and the under. Was not pleased this morning.
 
2017-10-06 10:20:51 AM  

skylabdown: That was painful to watch.... by the time the third one was being set up I was telling myself "There's NO WAY he misses thi.... Oh shiat."


It was painful.  I've never seen such an obvious case of the yips in football.  It's not like he isn't capable of making those kicks.  And yet they weren't just missed, they were shanked.

I wanted Tampa to lose, but I didn't enjoy watching a guy's career come to a screeching halt.
 
2017-10-06 10:21:40 AM  

AdmirableSnackbar: He might as well have cleaned out his locker on his way home from the game.


I'd assumed by the time he got from the field to his locker the maintenance guy was  already replacing the name tag on the locker.
 
2017-10-06 10:24:47 AM  
I don't know what I'm talking about,  but isn't the precentage for field goals and extra points in 2016 well above 75%?  I'm not a big fan but is it time to make it a bit more difficult?
 
2017-10-06 10:25:37 AM  

Glockenspiel Hero: Klivian: Is it possible that it's the holder/long snapper? If you keep putting new kickers in and there's still a problem, eventually you have to look for another cause.

On the missed 31-yarder they did a slow motion replay of the snap and hold.  Holder got it down clean, turned the laces away and held it correctly.  (Linked since NFL is prevented embeds)  Folk just completely miffed it


The 31-yarder looked like a give-me one. Just kick it straight through the uprights and make 3 points. Folk went and hooked it way too the left. That was some funky kicking mechanics there.
 
2017-10-06 10:26:02 AM  
As a Patriots fan, that was an ugly game to watch.  Solder looks slow and broken, more absolutely brainless penalties, some dropped passes, an overthrow.  Fortunately, the Bucs offense looked even worse.
 
2017-10-06 10:27:31 AM  
You can take the player from the JETS, but you can't take the JETS out of the player.
 
2017-10-06 10:29:00 AM  

Ker_Thwap: As a Patriots fan, that was an ugly game to watch.  Solder looks slow and broken, more absolutely brainless penalties, some dropped passes, an overthrow.  Fortunately, the Bucs offense looked even worse.


As I've said before, Solder is a prime candidate for JPP therapy. But with him, im pretty sure he could have no arms and STILL find a way to hold.
 
2017-10-06 10:30:02 AM  

FriarReb98: You can take the player from the JETS, but you can't take the JETS out of the player.


Folk was actually a pretty good kicker while he was on the Jets
 
2017-10-06 10:30:28 AM  
Kotter and Jameis are probably glad inside Folk took the pressure off their horrible games.
 
2017-10-06 10:30:39 AM  

WhyKnot: AdmirableSnackbar: He might as well have cleaned out his locker on his way home from the game.

I'd assumed by the time he got from the field to his locker the maintenance guy was  already replacing the name tag on the locker.


I was looking for the Turk after that missed chip shot to meet Folk out on the field to say "Coach wants to see you. Bring your playbook."
 
2017-10-06 10:32:15 AM  

eyeq360: Glockenspiel Hero: Klivian: Is it possible that it's the holder/long snapper? If you keep putting new kickers in and there's still a problem, eventually you have to look for another cause.

On the missed 31-yarder they did a slow motion replay of the snap and hold.  Holder got it down clean, turned the laces away and held it correctly.  (Linked since NFL is prevented embeds)  Folk just completely miffed it

The 31-yarder looked like a give-me one. Just kick it straight through the uprights and make 3 points. Folk went and hooked it way too the left. That was some funky kicking mechanics there.


It was nice actually having Feely on the sidelines for it "See him pick up his toe on the kick? That's cause he picked up his head. No confidence in the kick as he makes it, he HAS to look early to watch it, which causes the left hook"

His own head is up his ass, and the former kicker can show it in slow-mo
 
2017-10-06 10:40:18 AM  

FriarReb98: You can take the player from the JETS, but you can't take the JETS out of the player.


As I understand it, once you're a Jet you're a Jet all the way...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exGJsv6ZNlo
 
2017-10-06 10:44:33 AM  
Poor guy.  It was probably Belichick putting magnets in the ball.  Right, haters?
 
2017-10-06 10:44:54 AM  
finally NFL kickers get the respect they deserve with an article about them on the main page at Fark! woohoo!

/jk
//move this to the sports tab
 
2017-10-06 10:45:16 AM  

skylabdown: That was painful to watch.... by the time the third one was being set up I was telling myself "There's NO WAY he misses thi.... Oh shiat."


I'm a Pats fan and felt bad enough for him that I genuinely wanted him to hit that one.
 
2017-10-06 10:46:31 AM  

xaks: eyeq360: Glockenspiel Hero: Klivian: Is it possible that it's the holder/long snapper? If you keep putting new kickers in and there's still a problem, eventually you have to look for another cause.

On the missed 31-yarder they did a slow motion replay of the snap and hold.  Holder got it down clean, turned the laces away and held it correctly.  (Linked since NFL is prevented embeds)  Folk just completely miffed it

The 31-yarder looked like a give-me one. Just kick it straight through the uprights and make 3 points. Folk went and hooked it way too the left. That was some funky kicking mechanics there.

It was nice actually having Feely on the sidelines for it "See him pick up his toe on the kick? That's cause he picked up his head. No confidence in the kick as he makes it, he HAS to look early to watch it, which causes the left hook"

His own head is up his ass, and the former kicker can show it in slow-mo


The announcers were surprisingly non terrible last night.  It seems like half the announcers normal have a gift of being able to piss off fans of both teams.
 
2017-10-06 10:48:27 AM  

Callous: skylabdown: That was painful to watch.... by the time the third one was being set up I was telling myself "There's NO WAY he misses thi.... Oh shiat."

I'm a Pats fan and felt bad enough for him that I genuinely wanted him to hit that one.


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2017-10-06 10:51:11 AM  
Watching the game last night I felt bad for him. Glad he was awful so the Pats could eek out a win but that was painful to watch.
 
2017-10-06 10:53:13 AM  

Ker_Thwap: xaks: eyeq360: Glockenspiel Hero: Klivian: Is it possible that it's the holder/long snapper? If you keep putting new kickers in and there's still a problem, eventually you have to look for another cause.

On the missed 31-yarder they did a slow motion replay of the snap and hold.  Holder got it down clean, turned the laces away and held it correctly.  (Linked since NFL is prevented embeds)  Folk just completely miffed it

The 31-yarder looked like a give-me one. Just kick it straight through the uprights and make 3 points. Folk went and hooked it way too the left. That was some funky kicking mechanics there.

It was nice actually having Feely on the sidelines for it "See him pick up his toe on the kick? That's cause he picked up his head. No confidence in the kick as he makes it, he HAS to look early to watch it, which causes the left hook"

His own head is up his ass, and the former kicker can show it in slow-mo

The announcers were surprisingly non terrible last night.  It seems like half the announcers normal have a gift of being able to piss off fans of both teams.


Romo is a good announcer.
Thanks Dak.
Still hope he might make a comeback.
 
OOF
2017-10-06 10:54:07 AM  
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2017-10-06 10:55:48 AM  
Bad coaching decisions there.  He'd already missed a few times in the prior game, and they KNOW what his real range is, so they NEVER should have sent him out there for the 56 yard attempt.  It was a guaranteed miss, and it likely influenced his concentration on the next one (also risky) and by the time he lined up for the 31 yarder he was a farking head case of nerves.  Yes, an NFL kicker should make a 31 yarder, but the coaches didn't help by making him try a 56 yarder that he was never going to make.
 
2017-10-06 10:59:57 AM  
Sports stories...on MY main page? It's more likely that you think...
 
2017-10-06 11:03:00 AM  

cefm: Bad coaching decisions there.  He'd already missed a few times in the prior game, and they KNOW what his real range is, so they NEVER should have sent him out there for the 56 yard attempt.  It was a guaranteed miss, and it likely influenced his concentration on the next one (also risky) and by the time he lined up for the 31 yarder he was a farking head case of nerves.  Yes, an NFL kicker should make a 31 yarder, but the coaches didn't help by making him try a 56 yarder that he was never going to make.


Is he an NFL kicker? Because I think NFL kickers are 26/37 on 50+ yard FG's this year. Dude should at least be able to make it look close.
 
2017-10-06 11:05:26 AM  

SuperChuck: FriarReb98: You can take the player from the JETS, but you can't take the JETS out of the player.

Folk was actually a pretty good kicker while he was on the Jets


Well with that offense he had a lot of practice....
 
2017-10-06 11:06:35 AM  
Well, just to play devil's advocate, at least he didn't have Lucy swipe the ball up as he attempted a kickoff.
 
2017-10-06 11:08:17 AM  

pearls before swine: skylabdown: That was painful to watch.... by the time the third one was being set up I was telling myself "There's NO WAY he misses thi.... Oh shiat."

It was painful.  I've never seen such an obvious case of the yips in football.  It's not like he isn't capable of making those kicks.  And yet they weren't just missed, they were shanked.

I wanted Tampa to lose, but I didn't enjoy watching a guy's career come to a screeching halt.


I feel for him too.  I really do.  But keeping your head about you is what makes you a good player.  In the NFL, even the lowly position of the kicker is still the best of the best.  Those dudes are generally 95%.  Short of a block, or high winds, they almost never miss.  No matter how much pressure they are under.

It happens so infrequently that when a kicker misses, everyone is shocked!

So you would be correct to assume that his entire career is in jeopardy.  Because if he can't keep his head straight on the 5th game of the season, in nice weather, what's going to happen when there is REAL pressure?
 
2017-10-06 11:09:52 AM  
Next year, Vinatieri is a UFA. Just wait and dump a garbage truck of money on him. He break whatever kicker curse the bucs have.
 
2017-10-06 11:11:07 AM  

cefm: Bad coaching decisions there.  He'd already missed a few times in the prior game, and they KNOW what his real range is


In the pregame show they lamenting that he looked really good in warm-ups, maybe the prior game was a fluke, wet ball, blah blah.

It wouldn't even have mattered if the Bucs offense could actually score more touchdowns. They lost not because of their crappy kicker but because they couldn't score on their own merit.
 
2017-10-06 11:11:51 AM  

AquaTatanka: How stupid do you have to be to draft a kicker


If it's a once-in-a-generation guy, I can see spending a 6th rounder on him. Or just wait for a team to get pissed that an awesome kicker missed a key field goal and sign him for just over the veteran minimum. Whatever.
 
2017-10-06 11:12:50 AM  

Publikwerks: Next year, Vinatieri is a UFA. Just wait and dump a garbage truck of money on him. He break whatever kicker curse the bucs have.


Or a hip
 
2017-10-06 11:13:16 AM  

meanmutton: AquaTatanka: How stupid do you have to be to draft a kicker

If it's a once-in-a-generation guy, I can see spending a 6th rounder on him. Or just wait for a team to get pissed that an awesome kicker missed a key field goal and sign him for just over the veteran minimum. Whatever.


Janikowski was possibly the second-best 1st round pick in 2000 after Urlacher.
 
2017-10-06 11:14:52 AM  

Ker_Thwap: xaks: eyeq360: Glockenspiel Hero: Klivian: Is it possible that it's the holder/long snapper? If you keep putting new kickers in and there's still a problem, eventually you have to look for another cause.

On the missed 31-yarder they did a slow motion replay of the snap and hold.  Holder got it down clean, turned the laces away and held it correctly.  (Linked since NFL is prevented embeds)  Folk just completely miffed it

The 31-yarder looked like a give-me one. Just kick it straight through the uprights and make 3 points. Folk went and hooked it way too the left. That was some funky kicking mechanics there.

It was nice actually having Feely on the sidelines for it "See him pick up his toe on the kick? That's cause he picked up his head. No confidence in the kick as he makes it, he HAS to look early to watch it, which causes the left hook"

His own head is up his ass, and the former kicker can show it in slow-mo

The announcers were surprisingly non terrible last night.  It seems like half the announcers normal have a gift of being able to piss off fans of both teams.


I'll never understand why people hate on Romo or Collinsworth. You don't like their voice? Do you want good football analysis or do you want Morgan Freeman? You can't have both.
 
2017-10-06 11:17:48 AM  

Callous: Publikwerks: Next year, Vinatieri is a UFA. Just wait and dump a garbage truck of money on him. He break whatever kicker curse the bucs have.

Or a hip


I had a high school gym teacher that was in his late 60's, and he would regularly kick 50 yard field goals. I don't remember him ever missing. Then he'd go back to the other end zone and put a dozen or so range balls right through the uprights from 110 yards with a pitching wedge.

The wiry old guy was like a freakish machine in flesh

/end CSB
 
2017-10-06 11:18:53 AM  
Look for the Bucs to cut Folk on Monday and hold tryouts on Wednesday.

GM with his scouting staff will look for all the free agent kickers recently in the league. Then invite the best 4-6 interested candidates to RJ Stadium for a one day tryout. Winner becomes the starting kicker.

Ex-kicker Jay Feely was part of last night's broadcast team. Certainly the right analyst at the right time.
 
2017-10-06 11:20:22 AM  

Publikwerks: Next year, Vinatieri is a UFA. Just wait and dump a garbage truck of money on him. He break whatever kicker curse the bucs have.


Umm...when's Gostkowski's contract up again?
 
2017-10-06 11:21:46 AM  

SkittlesAreYum: I'll never understand why people hate on Romo or Collinsworth. You don't like their voice? Do you want good football analysis or do you want Morgan Freeman? You can't have both.


Romo is great but Collinsworth and "good football analysis" don't belong anywhere near each other.
 
2017-10-06 11:26:34 AM  

SkittlesAreYum: Ker_Thwap: xaks: eyeq360: Glockenspiel Hero: Klivian: Is it possible that it's the holder/long snapper? If you keep putting new kickers in and there's still a problem, eventually you have to look for another cause.

On the missed 31-yarder they did a slow motion replay of the snap and hold.  Holder got it down clean, turned the laces away and held it correctly.  (Linked since NFL is prevented embeds)  Folk just completely miffed it

The 31-yarder looked like a give-me one. Just kick it straight through the uprights and make 3 points. Folk went and hooked it way too the left. That was some funky kicking mechanics there.

It was nice actually having Feely on the sidelines for it "See him pick up his toe on the kick? That's cause he picked up his head. No confidence in the kick as he makes it, he HAS to look early to watch it, which causes the left hook"

His own head is up his ass, and the former kicker can show it in slow-mo

The announcers were surprisingly non terrible last night.  It seems like half the announcers normal have a gift of being able to piss off fans of both teams.

I'll never understand why people hate on Romo or Collinsworth. You don't like their voice? Do you want good football analysis or do you want Morgan Freeman? You can't have both.


Now, here's a guy who likes hearing "now, here's a guy who" over and over again on Sunday nights.
 
2017-10-06 11:27:53 AM  

AdmirableSnackbar: Romo is great


I thought it was going to be a disaster, but yeah, Romo deserves a spot in the booth.

It hurts my soul to àdmit that. Maybe we can get Jessica Simpson in the stands for the next few TNF games to screw with him.
 
2017-10-06 11:36:59 AM  

DannyBrandt: AdmirableSnackbar: Romo is great

I thought it was going to be a disaster, but yeah, Romo deserves a spot in the booth.

It hurts my soul to àdmit that. Maybe we can get Jessica Simpson in the stands for the next few TNF games to screw with him.


I too thought he did a really good job.

He's got a lot of energy.  Seems like a very happy dude.
It's a shame is career as a player didn't go better.  He was never anything close the the best QB.  But he was good...
 
2017-10-06 11:37:34 AM  

AdmirableSnackbar: meanmutton: AquaTatanka: How stupid do you have to be to draft a kicker

If it's a once-in-a-generation guy, I can see spending a 6th rounder on him. Or just wait for a team to get pissed that an awesome kicker missed a key field goal and sign him for just over the veteran minimum. Whatever.

Janikowski was possibly the second-best 1st round pick in 2000 after Urlacher.


That year also had the following taken in the 1st round: LaVar Arrington (3 time Pro Bowler), Chris Samuels (6 times, once all-pro), Jamal Lewis (NFL MVP and Super Bowl champion), John Abraham (5 time pro-bowler, 3 time first team all-pro once 2nd team all-pro), Shaun Alexander (NFL MVP, multiple pro bowls and all-pros), and a handfull of other guys who made Pro Bowls playing non-kicker positions.

The problem with kickers is that the difference between the very best and the average works out to about 0.6 or 0.7 points per game. Decidedly meh.
 
2017-10-06 11:44:25 AM  

lilbjorn: Poor guy.  It was probably Belichick putting magnets in the ball.  Right, haters?


Those magnets seem to be doing a pretty good job of pushing your CBs away from opposing WRs this year
 
2017-10-06 11:47:22 AM  

pearls before swine: It was painful. I've never seen such an obvious case of the yips in football. It's not like he isn't capable of making those kicks. And yet they weren't just missed, they we


Needs glasses?..
 
2017-10-06 11:47:53 AM  

meanmutton: AdmirableSnackbar: meanmutton: AquaTatanka: How stupid do you have to be to draft a kicker

If it's a once-in-a-generation guy, I can see spending a 6th rounder on him. Or just wait for a team to get pissed that an awesome kicker missed a key field goal and sign him for just over the veteran minimum. Whatever.

Janikowski was possibly the second-best 1st round pick in 2000 after Urlacher.

That year also had the following taken in the 1st round: LaVar Arrington (3 time Pro Bowler), Chris Samuels (6 times, once all-pro), Jamal Lewis (NFL MVP and Super Bowl champion), John Abraham (5 time pro-bowler, 3 time first team all-pro once 2nd team all-pro), Shaun Alexander (NFL MVP, multiple pro bowls and all-pros), and a handfull of other guys who made Pro Bowls playing non-kicker positions.

The problem with kickers is that the difference between the very best and the average works out to about 0.6 or 0.7 points per game. Decidedly meh.


Abraham I'll give you, Samuels maybe.  Alexander had 5 good years, Arrington 3, and Lewis 3 or 4.  Janikowski spent 17 years as consistently one of the best kickers in the league.  Career longevity and consistency is more important than being good for a handful of seasons.  When a guy is contributing over a decade and a half worth of production that's much more valuable than a flash-in-the-pan like Arrington or either of those RBs.  And last night shows just how valuable a decent kicker can be.
 
2017-10-06 11:48:32 AM  
As bad as Folk was, the play calling was even worse. Martin averaged almost 6 yards per carry but rather feed him more, they continued to let Winston chuck it all over the field missing wide open receivers all night. Martin damn well should have had more than 13 carries. I could almost get it if Winston was dealing, but he sucked balls last night.
 
2017-10-06 11:55:00 AM  
They don't think it be like it is, but it do.

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2017-10-06 12:03:39 PM  

Pangea: They don't think it be like it is, but it do.

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reminds me... i've always wondered where Sean Young should fit on the hot/crazy scale.
 
2017-10-06 12:05:59 PM  

DannyBrandt: AdmirableSnackbar: Romo is great

I thought it was going to be a disaster, but yeah, Romo deserves a spot in the booth.

It hurts my soul to àdmit that. Maybe we can get Jessica Simpson in the stands for the next few TNF games to screw with him.


I really liked Romo in the booth.  He knows his stuff and provides expert insight on coverages and routes and I like his demeanor.  Sounds like a fun guy to watch a game with a beer or twelve.
 
2017-10-06 12:09:43 PM  

AquaTatanka: How stupid do you have to be to draft a kicker


It works out sometimes. The Bengals drafted a great kicker this year in Jake Elliott. Did you see that 61 yarder?
 
2017-10-06 12:10:02 PM  

beerrun: As bad as Folk was, the play calling was even worse. Martin averaged almost 6 yards per carry but rather feed him more, they continued to let Winston chuck it all over the field missing wide open receivers all night. Martin damn well should have had more than 13 carries. I could almost get it if Winston was dealing, but he sucked balls last night.


The inability of Jameis to convert 3rd downs in the first half killed the running game.  You can't run the ball if you can't move the sticks.  The worst coaching decision was the onside kick.  2:10 remaining, one timeout, if you can get a three and out, you will at worst have the ball at your 30-40 yard line with 1:10 remaining down 2.  It's straightforward math.  The decision to onside was god-awful.  The only way the onside makes sense is if your defense is trash and the score is 98-95 and you've never stopped the other team once.  But the defense was stout in the 2nd half, a 3 and out is a reasonable outcome.
 
2017-10-06 12:11:08 PM  

Klivian: AquaTatanka: How stupid do you have to be to draft a kicker

It works out sometimes. The Bengals drafted a great kicker this year in Jake Elliott. Did you see that 61 yarder?


I did not.

Still think a guy off waivers or an undrafted or a UFA is a better bet than spending a draft pick.
 
2017-10-06 12:25:18 PM  

AquaTatanka: Klivian: AquaTatanka: How stupid do you have to be to draft a kicker

It works out sometimes. The Bengals drafted a great kicker this year in Jake Elliott. Did you see that 61 yarder?

I did not.

Still think a guy off waivers or an undrafted or a UFA is a better bet than spending a draft pick.


Go watch the clip, and all will become clear
 
2017-10-06 12:25:38 PM  

SkittlesAreYum: Ker_Thwap: xaks: eyeq360: Glockenspiel Hero: Klivian: Is it possible that it's the holder/long snapper? If you keep putting new kickers in and there's still a problem, eventually you have to look for another cause.

On the missed 31-yarder they did a slow motion replay of the snap and hold.  Holder got it down clean, turned the laces away and held it correctly.  (Linked since NFL is prevented embeds)  Folk just completely miffed it

The 31-yarder looked like a give-me one. Just kick it straight through the uprights and make 3 points. Folk went and hooked it way too the left. That was some funky kicking mechanics there.

It was nice actually having Feely on the sidelines for it "See him pick up his toe on the kick? That's cause he picked up his head. No confidence in the kick as he makes it, he HAS to look early to watch it, which causes the left hook"

His own head is up his ass, and the former kicker can show it in slow-mo

The announcers were surprisingly non terrible last night.  It seems like half the announcers normal have a gift of being able to piss off fans of both teams.

I'll never understand why people hate on Romo or Collinsworth. You don't like their voice? Do you want good football analysis or do you want Morgan Freeman? You can't have both.


Romo seems good so far, he doesn't seem to take himself too seriously.  Collinsworth is horrible, and it's not about his voice.  He's exactly the know it all type who confidently rips the play call in hindsight.  I thought he was going to cry when Malcom Butler intercepted that pass.  Just very negative and opinionated overall.  Yes, he knows the rules of the game at least.  His analysis is often flawed based on the game situation.
 
2017-10-06 12:30:11 PM  
Collinsworth is enough to make me mute or avoid SNF altogether.  I find him that grating.  He's an insufferably arrogant douche.  He rambles on about his good old days and talks like people are watching to tune in to his life story.  I can't count the number of times i've actually yelled "STFU Collinsworth" at my TV.

I really like Romo so far but, Romo was going a bit too far into the "in Dallas we...." stories last night too.
Focus on the game at hand or recollect stories vague enough that you're not name dropping Amendola and Cole Beasley.
 
2017-10-06 12:35:25 PM  

Ethertap: John Buck 41: 56 and 49 yarders aren't gimmes, for sure. The 31? Yeah, that's definitely on him. Thing is none of 'em were even close.

That 56 yarder was so bad it missed the field.

Looking forward to our next terrible kicker though. That brief moment of hope when you get a new guy should be quickly erased when he misses a 22 yarder on his first attempt.


What's particularly odd for me is that as a Bucs fan from day one, I remember that traditionally the kicker was the high scorer.
 
2017-10-06 12:36:53 PM  

AquaTatanka: Collinsworth is enough to make me mute or avoid SNF altogether.  I find him that grating.  He's an insufferably arrogant douche.  He rambles on about his good old days and talks like people are watching to tune in to his life story.  I can't count the number of times i've actually yelled "STFU Collinsworth" at my TV.

I really like Romo so far but, Romo was going a bit too far into the "in Dallas we...." stories last night too.
Focus on the game at hand or recollect stories vague enough that you're not name dropping Amendola and Cole Beasley.


He did have one babbling moment last night, that wasn't overly pertinent or even interesting, and the story just kind of petered out as the play started.    I assume that's an experience thing that the producers will work with him on.
 
2017-10-06 12:42:05 PM  
At least Romo doesn't seem to take himself too seriously. He had a moment where he was praising the Bucs for doing something (maybe kicking a FG instead of going for it on 4th down) and after it failed he came right back with a tongue-in-cheek "like I said, you gotta go for it there".
 
2017-10-06 12:46:51 PM  

Ker_Thwap: AquaTatanka: Collinsworth is enough to make me mute or avoid SNF altogether.  I find him that grating.  He's an insufferably arrogant douche.  He rambles on about his good old days and talks like people are watching to tune in to his life story.  I can't count the number of times i've actually yelled "STFU Collinsworth" at my TV.

I really like Romo so far but, Romo was going a bit too far into the "in Dallas we...." stories last night too.
Focus on the game at hand or recollect stories vague enough that you're not name dropping Amendola and Cole Beasley.

He did have one babbling moment last night, that wasn't overly pertinent or even interesting, and the story just kind of petered out as the play started.    I assume that's an experience thing that the producers will work with him on.


was thinking the same thing.  "he'll learn not to go into such detail" crossed my mind.  I really do like him so far.  It's a breath of fresh air, so to speak, because most of the announcers i'd honestly rather watch the game without.  If the games were broadcast like a dvd with a "commentary track" i'd probably have it turned off for 90% of the games anyway.
 
2017-10-06 12:56:53 PM  

abmoraz: Maybe Robert Aguayo wasn't that bad after all.  Maybe Tampa is to kickers what Cleveland is to QBs.


Except Tampa has had some really decent kickers in the past.
 
2017-10-06 12:59:08 PM  

kevljo: abmoraz: Maybe Robert Aguayo wasn't that bad after all.  Maybe Tampa is to kickers what Cleveland is to QBs.

Except Tampa has had some really decent kickers in the past.


And we've been an excellent farm team for QBs.
 
2017-10-06 01:09:25 PM  
First one, 56 yarder, hooked badly right.

The other two, hooked to the left, and just were outside the upright.  It was the kicker.  Be lucky if he still has a job.
 
2017-10-06 01:15:53 PM  

abmoraz: Maybe Robert Aguayo wasn't that bad after all.  Maybe Tampa is to kickers what Cleveland is to QBs.


Nah, the bucs are the all time best at snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.
It's what they do. Had he made them all, odds are they still would have lost.
 
2017-10-06 01:18:59 PM  

CivicMindedFive: Kotter and Jameis are probably glad inside Folk took the pressure off their horrible games.


Yeah, wonder if winston is color blond ala vinny.
   Plus their play calling was horrible.It's not against the law to run it a lot.
 
2017-10-06 01:23:52 PM  

lilbjorn: Poor guy.  It was probably Belichick putting magnets in the ball.  Right, haters?


It's possible.
 
2017-10-06 01:28:21 PM  

Glockenspiel Hero: Klivian: Is it possible that it's the holder/long snapper? If you keep putting new kickers in and there's still a problem, eventually you have to look for another cause.

On the missed 31-yarder they did a slow motion replay of the snap and hold.  Holder got it down clean, turned the laces away and held it correctly.  (Linked since NFL is prevented embeds)  Folk just completely miffed it


TIL it's possible to throw a knuckleball with your feet.
 
2017-10-06 01:35:36 PM  

MikeBoomshadow: Ethertap: John Buck 41: 56 and 49 yarders aren't gimmes, for sure. The 31? Yeah, that's definitely on him. Thing is none of 'em were even close.

That 56 yarder was so bad it missed the field.

Looking forward to our next terrible kicker though. That brief moment of hope when you get a new guy should be quickly erased when he misses a 22 yarder on his first attempt.

What's particularly odd for me is that as a Bucs fan from day one, I remember that traditionally the kicker was the high scorer.


That's was thanks to Dungys patented field goal em to death offense.
 
2017-10-06 01:36:26 PM  

AquaTatanka: How stupid do you have to be to draft a kicker


Could be worse... their punter was a 3rd round pick as well...
 
2017-10-06 01:44:44 PM  
Where is John McKay when you need him? (Yeah, yeah, dead.) He had some great zingers about Bucs kickers including the infamous, "Capece is kaput" comment.
 
2017-10-06 01:47:36 PM  
AdmirableSnackbar: ... [cut out a bunch of stuff talking about Janikowski being drafted in the 1st round] ...
And last night shows just how valuable a decent kicker can be.


I agree with you. Last night shows the value of a decent kicker. An average kicker is all you really need. Is it nice to have the best kicker in the NFL? Heck, yeah. But the difference between the best kicker in the NFL and a league average kicker isn't worth a 1st round pick.

Particularly when teams recently had gotten Matt Praeter or Adam Vinatieri without sacrificing anything.
 
2017-10-06 01:58:52 PM  

meanmutton: AdmirableSnackbar: ... [cut out a bunch of stuff talking about Janikowski being drafted in the 1st round] ...
And last night shows just how valuable a decent kicker can be.

I agree with you. Last night shows the value of a decent kicker. An average kicker is all you really need. Is it nice to have the best kicker in the NFL? Heck, yeah. But the difference between the best kicker in the NFL and a league average kicker isn't worth a 1st round pick.

Particularly when teams recently had gotten Matt Praeter or Adam Vinatieri without sacrificing anything.


I disagree that you only need an average kicker, you absolutely need the best kicker you can get. What the bucs did wrong though was twofold: their talent evaluation is off and they way overpaid for a kicker, most of the time you can get really great kicker in a late round, it's not a normal skill position type of value.
 
2017-10-06 02:00:07 PM  

Ethertap: John Buck 41: 56 and 49 yarders aren't gimmes, for sure. The 31? Yeah, that's definitely on him. Thing is none of 'em were even close.

That 56 yarder was so bad it missed the field.

Looking forward to our next terrible kicker though. That brief moment of hope when you get a new guy should be quickly erased when he misses a 22 yarder on his first attempt.


Sometimes the new guy works out.....

assets.nydailynews.com
 
2017-10-06 02:01:00 PM  

lilbjorn: Poor guy.  It was probably Belichick putting magnets in the ball.  Right, haters?


You should wipe your chin
 
2017-10-06 02:17:13 PM  

meanmutton: AdmirableSnackbar: ... [cut out a bunch of stuff talking about Janikowski being drafted in the 1st round] ...
And last night shows just how valuable a decent kicker can be.

I agree with you. Last night shows the value of a decent kicker. An average kicker is all you really need. Is it nice to have the best kicker in the NFL? Heck, yeah. But the difference between the best kicker in the NFL and a league average kicker isn't worth a 1st round pick.

Particularly when teams recently had gotten Matt Praeter or Adam Vinatieri without sacrificing anything.


The point is that if you can get a great kicker who will be with you for 17 years instead of a less than 50/50 shot that you'll get a contributor for a handful of seasons then a 1st round pick is absolutely worth it.  And damn that was a really shiatty draft.
 
2017-10-06 02:25:20 PM  

AdmirableSnackbar: WhyKnot: AdmirableSnackbar: He might as well have cleaned out his locker on his way home from the game.

I'd assumed by the time he got from the field to his locker the maintenance guy was  already replacing the name tag on the locker.

I was looking for the Turk after that missed chip shot to meet Folk out on the field to say "Coach wants to see you. Bring your playbook."


Is ' The Turk' still a thing? I recall reading about that 45 years ago.
 
2017-10-06 02:26:06 PM  

AquaTatanka: How stupid do you have to be to draft a kicker


I've no idea how hard it is to find a good kicker, and maybe you don't need to draft one.  But you *do* need a good kicker.

On essentially every NFL team, every year, the highest scoring player is the kicker.  He kicks all the field goals, and every time someone gets a TD, he kicks the extra point.  Those TD's get spread around between one or two running backs and a bunch of receivers, plus an occasional QB keeper.  But the kicker gets a point from almost every TD.

Lots of games come down to kicking.

Yes, kickers tend to be smaller than most NFL players, and they are far less involved in the physical/violent parts of the game.  But they are very important and you can't ignore that position, you can't start thinking "It's just a kicker, it doesn't matter".
 
2017-10-06 02:27:44 PM  

John Buck 41: AdmirableSnackbar: WhyKnot: AdmirableSnackbar: He might as well have cleaned out his locker on his way home from the game.

I'd assumed by the time he got from the field to his locker the maintenance guy was  already replacing the name tag on the locker.

I was looking for the Turk after that missed chip shot to meet Folk out on the field to say "Coach wants to see you. Bring your playbook."

Is ' The Turk' still a thing? I recall reading about that 45 years ago.


It was as recently as a few years ago.  They might have a new term for it but yeah there's a hatchet man.  You see it all the time on Hard Knocks.
 
2017-10-06 02:42:08 PM  
adam vinatieri runs down herschel walker
Youtube WooPp3UVCp8
 
2017-10-06 02:45:05 PM  

kevljo: abmoraz: Maybe Robert Aguayo wasn't that bad after all.  Maybe Tampa is to kickers what Cleveland is to QBs.

Except Tampa has had some really decent kickers in the past.


Matt Bryant is a prime example. That guy is still money for the Falcons.
 
2017-10-06 02:57:21 PM  

Ker_Thwap: [Youtube image 480x360][Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/WooPp3UVCp8]


Adam Vinatieri played against Herschel Walker? Damn he's old
 
2017-10-06 02:58:01 PM  

Ker_Thwap: [Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/WooPp3UVCp8]


That was beautiful.  Still have a soft spot in my heart for that guy.
 
2017-10-06 03:00:26 PM  

poorsigmund: Ker_Thwap: [Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/WooPp3UVCp8]

That was beautiful.  Still have a soft spot in my heart for that guy.


The man will never pay for his own beer anywhere in New England.
 
2017-10-06 03:21:46 PM  

AdmirableSnackbar: meanmutton: AdmirableSnackbar: ... [cut out a bunch of stuff talking about Janikowski being drafted in the 1st round] ...
And last night shows just how valuable a decent kicker can be.

I agree with you. Last night shows the value of a decent kicker. An average kicker is all you really need. Is it nice to have the best kicker in the NFL? Heck, yeah. But the difference between the best kicker in the NFL and a league average kicker isn't worth a 1st round pick.

Particularly when teams recently had gotten Matt Praeter or Adam Vinatieri without sacrificing anything.

The point is that if you can get a great kicker who will be with you for 17 years instead of a less than 50/50 shot that you'll get a contributor for a handful of seasons then a 1st round pick is absolutely worth it.  And damn that was a really shiatty draft.


That particular year, there was a 50/50 shot at having a Pro Bowler including a couple NFL MVPs.
 
2017-10-06 04:40:05 PM  
I kicked as many field goals against the Pats last night as Folk did.
 
2017-10-06 04:41:10 PM  

AquaTatanka: How stupid do you have to be to draft a kicker


CTRL-F Russell Erxlaben

Hmm...
 
2017-10-06 04:48:59 PM  

xaks: eyeq360: Glockenspiel Hero: Klivian: Is it possible that it's the holder/long snapper? If you keep putting new kickers in and there's still a problem, eventually you have to look for another cause.

On the missed 31-yarder they did a slow motion replay of the snap and hold.  Holder got it down clean, turned the laces away and held it correctly.  (Linked since NFL is prevented embeds)  Folk just completely miffed it

The 31-yarder looked like a give-me one. Just kick it straight through the uprights and make 3 points. Folk went and hooked it way too the left. That was some funky kicking mechanics there.

It was nice actually having Feely on the sidelines for it "See him pick up his toe on the kick? That's cause he picked up his head. No confidence in the kick as he makes it, he HAS to look early to watch it, which causes the left hook"

His own head is up his ass, and the former kicker can show it in slow-mo


did you notice how the Pats kicker right after that positively blasted it & i don't think he looked up til that ball was almost through the posts

laces out Dan
 
2017-10-06 04:49:18 PM  

skylabdown: I kicked as many field goals against the Pats last night as Folk did.


HA! Me too.
 
2017-10-06 04:53:04 PM  

inner ted: xaks: eyeq360: Glockenspiel Hero: Klivian: Is it possible that it's the holder/long snapper? If you keep putting new kickers in and there's still a problem, eventually you have to look for another cause.

On the missed 31-yarder they did a slow motion replay of the snap and hold.  Holder got it down clean, turned the laces away and held it correctly.  (Linked since NFL is prevented embeds)  Folk just completely miffed it

The 31-yarder looked like a give-me one. Just kick it straight through the uprights and make 3 points. Folk went and hooked it way too the left. That was some funky kicking mechanics there.

It was nice actually having Feely on the sidelines for it "See him pick up his toe on the kick? That's cause he picked up his head. No confidence in the kick as he makes it, he HAS to look early to watch it, which causes the left hook"

His own head is up his ass, and the former kicker can show it in slow-mo

did you notice how the Pats kicker right after that positively blasted it & i don't think he looked up til that ball was almost through the posts

laces out Dan


Yup. When you're on, when you have confidence, and you can *feel* you hit it _just right_, you don' t really NEED to look to confirm. You already know.

Similar to a golf swing, or a bowling toss..."As soon as I let it go"
 
2017-10-06 04:53:23 PM  

AquaTatanka: How stu


Hey now, Jason Hanson was the high point of the Lions team for most of his career.
 
2017-10-06 04:55:19 PM  

xaks: inner ted: xaks: eyeq360: Glockenspiel Hero: Klivian: Is it possible that it's the holder/long snapper? If you keep putting new kickers in and there's still a problem, eventually you have to look for another cause.

On the missed 31-yarder they did a slow motion replay of the snap and hold.  Holder got it down clean, turned the laces away and held it correctly.  (Linked since NFL is prevented embeds)  Folk just completely miffed it

The 31-yarder looked like a give-me one. Just kick it straight through the uprights and make 3 points. Folk went and hooked it way too the left. That was some funky kicking mechanics there.

It was nice actually having Feely on the sidelines for it "See him pick up his toe on the kick? That's cause he picked up his head. No confidence in the kick as he makes it, he HAS to look early to watch it, which causes the left hook"

His own head is up his ass, and the former kicker can show it in slow-mo

did you notice how the Pats kicker right after that positively blasted it & i don't think he looked up til that ball was almost through the posts

laces out Dan

Yup. When you're on, when you have confidence, and you can *feel* you hit it _just right_, you don' t really NEED to look to confirm. You already know.

Similar to a golf swing, or a bowling toss..."As soon as I let it go"


Or 3 pointers in basketball.
 
2017-10-06 06:29:50 PM  
MikeBoomshadow:
What's particularly odd for me is that as a Bucs fan from day one, I remember that traditionally the kicker was the high scorer.

Indeed.  During our dark ages, I remember the only good long-term players being Ron Hall, Paul Gruber, Donald Igwebuike and Steve Christie.
 
2017-10-06 08:32:29 PM  

AugieDoggyDaddy: I don't know what I'm talking about,  but isn't the precentage for field goals and extra points in 2016 well above 75%?  I'm not a big fan but is it time to make it a bit more difficult?


they made extra point kicks harder a year or two back and it dropped the percentage on those from 99% to 94% or something.

for field goals the percentage is always going to be pretty high because if they are far enough away where the kick would have a low percentage chance, they will probably just punt. most teams have a pretty good idea of how far their kicker can reliably put it through. of course there are a few exceptions like being a last kick at the end of the game as time runs out or whatever that maybe is risky but maybe higher chance than a hail mary.
 
2017-10-06 10:32:17 PM  

JuggleGeek: On essentially every NFL team, every year, the highest scoring player is the kicker.  He kicks all the field goals, and every time someone gets a TD, he kicks the extra point.  Those TD's get spread around between one or two running backs and a bunch of receivers, plus an occasional QB keeper.  But the kicker gets a point from almost every TD.


And that is pretty much always the case whether you have the best kicker ever, an average kicker, or the worst kicker in the league. The absolute number of points isn't relevant, the relevant thing would be the increase in the number of points by improving your kicker.

For Extra Points, the worst team in the NFL last year missed five, that is less than 1/3 of a point per game.

Field goals are more complicated because of ranges and everything, but no team missed more than 2 field goals under 30 years and the biggest impact on field goal percentage is the length of the kicks, with teams at the bottom having disproportionate amounts of field goals at 40+ yards. An average team to the best team last year hit about 3 more field goals in 2016, or just over half a point per game.

Yes, having a great kicker will let you do more games, but going from a mediocre kicker to the best isn't likely to have a very big impact on your season. Most regular offensive or defensive players will have a bigger impact going from a mediocre player to a great one or using up precious resources (salary cap or early draft picks), and if you can get closer to their endzone before kicking or keep the opponent further back it will also improve your kicking/weaken theirs. And there are plenty of decent kickers our there.
 
2017-10-07 12:07:06 AM  
According to dywed88, it's okay to lose a game or two now and then because you don't give a shiat about your kicker.

But I'm going to disagree with that plan.
 
2017-10-07 12:18:50 AM  

JuggleGeek: According to dywed88, it's okay to lose a game or two now and then because you don't give a shiat about your kicker.

But I'm going to disagree with that plan.


Teams have limited resources. Draft picks, salary cap, rosters spots, etc are all limited. You need to spend those resources where they will have the greatest impact. If you have a choice between an average kicker and a pro-bowl wide receiver or a pro-bowl kicker and an average wide receiver, the former will win you more games because the difference in impact between an average and a great WR is far great than the difference between an average and great K.

If all your other positions are great and don't have much room to upgrade, then hell yes, put a first round pick and a monster contract on a kicker.
 
2017-10-07 12:28:51 AM  

skylabdown: I kicked as many field goals against the Pats last night as Folk did.


I love this comment so much.
 
2017-10-07 08:16:17 AM  

Slow To Return: AquaTatanka: How stupid do you have to be to draft a kicker

CTRL-F Russell Erxlaben

Hmm...


Grew up in New Orleans.  I remember how awful the Saints ownership were until Tom Benson bought the team.  They drafted Erxlaben in the 1st round because he could kick and punt and therefore, could save the team money.  It was literally a cost saving move.
 
2017-10-07 06:04:29 PM  
Ravens fan here....  we went from Stover to Tucker.   (Oh yeah, we had Cundiff in there, but who hasn't had Cundiff in their team?)

Kickers make a difference when they are awesome like Stover and Tucker.
 
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