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2017-10-06 12:43:22 PM  

Ned Stark: I mean, in that particular study the WM/BF result was an exception to the trend. The later larger sample size study that "debuked" it found higher rates.

In fact, heres a side by side. Errr... over under.


Someone made an infographic with no link to an actual study.
 
2017-10-06 12:45:07 PM  
I remember there was a time Milo wouldn't even get mention on Fark.  Those were good times.
 
2017-10-06 12:46:26 PM  

Boxingoutsider: Farker Soze: Boxingoutsider: Cubicle Jockey: Boxingoutsider: I say it from time to time in my volunteer capacity in a huge room full of brown and black people, many of whom are violent and wouldnt hesitate to knock out a square who said it, and never get even a second look.

Ok, Im out.
Apologies, Jimmy.

Its real talk.  Come volunteer if you doubt me.  We need more people, even squares.

Are you a pimp? You know, a pimp's love is very different from that of a square.

Hahaha.   White boys in general dont make good pimps.   No.  I just mentor at risk kids from really challenging backgrounds.


Knock it off with the racist generalizations.  There are plenty of white pimps.
 
2017-10-06 12:47:36 PM  

Boxingoutsider: I feel that.   Theres some duplicity there.   Ok.  If its a professional troll I can see may be.   But . . . .even within his trolling he does put forth some uncomfortable stats.   Real stats, not fake news.

Good work.  But the trolls that reach this level are very very few and far between.   Tuning out people who just passionately disagree with you is more what I was aiming at.

Good one!


i imagine he had a better education outside of 4chan in school up to adulthood than the vast majority of others one associates with such boards, and certainly his audience find his various affectations worthwhile, but i have to say that i find him really quite immature, and, as for genuine knowledge and insight, i really do find him to about at the level that you'd get from any far more 'ordinary' person who liked to spend a lot of time on 4chan.
 
2017-10-06 12:47:44 PM  

Boxingoutsider: I'm not whining.


... he whined petulantly.
 
2017-10-06 12:48:09 PM  
Ned Stark: [Snipped quote tree to avoid wall of text]

It's alright, I was making light of the first part - it's easy to get lost when a discussion gets heated and you're suddenly finding yourself in half a dozen conversations at once on a site that's not the best laid out for keeping track of them. 

Now, as for the infographic - that's mostly true, but it neatly sidesteps the points for further investigation given in the actual paper itself, which specifically mentions that this is not in any way indicative of cultural or racial differences causing tension in the relationship itself being the root cause. 

"Overall, although marital dissolution was found to be strongly associated with race or ethnicity, the results failed to provide evidence that interracial marriage per se is associated with an elevated risk of marital dissolution. Some have argued that the increasing prevalence of interracial marriage may be associated with the reduction of social distance across groups. The findings described here showing little difference between interracial and endogamous marriages in the risk of divorce or separation lends further credence to this (albeit cautiously) optimistic point of view.
[...] In addition, Black husband-White wife pairings were found to be the least stable of all marriage types. One plausible interpretation of these results is that they reflect persistent racism and distrust directed toward Blacks, particularly Black men in the United States. The qualitative findings from Yancey (2007) indicated that Whites who married Blacks experienced more firsthand racism as compared to Whites who married other non-Black minorities. Specifically, White women reported encountering more racial incidents with their Black husbands (e.g., inferior service, racial profiling, and racism against their children) and more hostilities from families and cohorts as compared to other interracial pairings (Yancey). Research in communication and cultural studies echoed Yancey's findings and found that the above-mentioned social pressures tend to increase social isolation of Black-White unions, especially from the White community, and consequently negatively impact the survival of these marriages (Hibbler & Shinew, 2002; Porterfield, 1982)."
 
2017-10-06 12:48:11 PM  

anustart: Ned Stark:

It once came up here that i think interracial dating is probably a bad idea.

Which is really all that was ment. Interracial relationships blow up more often than ones that aren't. It's a bad idea in exactly the same way that, say, dating wildly out of your income bracket or education level is. There is simply a greater chance of sorrow and pain in your future.

But apparently I'm a hardcore defender of the purity of the whit race?

Look, it's really very simple.

You are making a generalization that mixed-race couples have a higher failure rate, with zero evidence.  it appears to us that you are using this fallacy to justify your own personal revulsion at seeing white girls with black guys so that you don't have to admit to yourself that you're really just (at least subconsicously) bigoted but rather are just so very concerned about their happiness. There are only two possibilities: Either we are correct in our interpretation or you are just incredibly wrong in your demographic analysis.

Even IF your wild assertion was true, SO WHAT?  People date, live together, even marry, and then sometimes it doesn't work out.  Who cares?


You can acknowledge something without running with it to some asinine conclusion or moral condemnation. We all do it every single day. You can tell because the world isn't a viscious chaotic hellhole 24/7.

"Probably a bad idea" means exactly and only that. it doesn't mean doing so will lead to unimaginable horror, it doesnt meant doing so amounts to race based treason, it doesnt mean a violent crack down on people who do it is appropriate and good, it doesnt mean people who do it are despicable moral failures. Christ almighty, I do shiat that's a bad idea probably every day.

Yes, people get into relationships with poor prospects all the time. Sometimes they beat the odds and find some really meaningful love, and good for them! So What? Beating the odds doesn't retroactively mean there is no such thing as odds.
 
2017-10-06 12:48:40 PM  

Elliot8654: Boxingoutsider: Elliot8654: Boxingoutsider: Elliot8654: Boxingoutsider: Elliot8654: Boxingoutsider: sigdiamond2000: Can you imagine waking up and feeling compelled to defend Milo Yiannopolis and Steve Bannon on the internet all morning?

Im a tiny bit of a milo fan and I'm not defending him.   I actually don't think anyone is.

I don't get how you can be a fan of him.

He is what 4chan looks like when they think they are trying to be christopher hitchens, given human form.

I like watching people squirm.   He makes people I think are ridiculous squirm.   Enemy of my enemy kind of deal.

Just because I like to watch him make pussies squirm doesnt mean I fall in lock Step with his views.   But here, and in modern society admitting I watch his videos and laugh makes me a Nazi

Terrible reason to be a fan of someone, but that's your bag, so hey. Stigginit-type attitude is what got us the most internationally despised president in history. What could go wrong?

You never had a guilty pleasure?   I like public freakout videos too, but I usually feel bad for the participants.

Im honest and stand up about it.   Ill take whatever criticism people want to hurl.   The dudes a professional troll.   I just like that he trolls people I think are ruining my party.

 please explain why trolling is at all worthy of even a guilty pleasure? Either you don't believe what you are saying and you are intentionally lying to upset people,  in which case they are a shiatbag.

Or he actually believes what he says, and is legit a shiatbag.

Either way, its complete nonsense.

Are you kidding ?   Trolling people for fun is an ancient tradition.

Watching people get trolled is the same.   Theres tv shows about it, umpteen youtubers doing it to the tune of millions of views a day.

Its not moral, its not right, you wouldnt want your mom to get trolled and get angry and act a fool.  But . . . .it can be funny and a guilty pleasure.  Like the freakout videos.  ,I feel sorry for most of the freaker outers.   Wish they would not have had an embarrassing moment caught on video.   But. . . .like many many others I will watch for a little guilty entertainment.

Call me weird then, but watching others suffer doesn't bring me joy. And in all the cases so far where youtube people or tv shows "troll" people, it ends with letting them in on the joke.

I really don't like my ex now, but she was raped when she was a teenager by her first boyfriend and we both agree that was terrible.  If someone decided to "troll" her that rape victims are at fault for getting raped, i would feel zero percent bad when she takes his knees out with a baseball bat.


Me neither.  Crush rapists and people who would troll rape victims about their rape.

These people can't be let in on the joke because to them its not a joke.   To them if I dont respect your desire to choose a new gender identity whenever you want I'm denying their right to live.   When in fact I'm saying "no, youre a dude who thinks hes different things on different days.   Youre not a woman, a dragon, a wolf, or an attack helicopter"   and that doenst make me trans phobic.   I don't care what you "identify" as.
 
2017-10-06 12:49:26 PM  

beakerxf: Boxingoutsider: beakerxf: Boxingoutsider: JerseyTim: This really is a terrific piece of journalism.

On top of being a racist and overall horrible person, the fact that Bannon doesn't spell out "are" and "you" and writes things like "Dude!!! LMAO! ... Epic" in emails makes him that much more despicable.

That's what I hated most.   Ill admit I'm a closet milo video binge watcher.   I hate the way the college campuses especially seem to have become breeding grounds for a new kind of fascist identity politics where whoever is the most aggrieved becomes the most influential.   So . . . .I get off on watching him annihilate and trigger these pussy ass kids were raising.

But . . . that was really troubling.  I'm not going to vote republican ever, and I don't support white supremacy or Nazis or any of that shiat.   But. . . . like many people cited in that article,I am a long time leftist kind of pissed off with where we are going as a movement.

Its interesting how guys like milo and to a lesser extent Shapiro really resonate with many democrats who secretly despise snowflake liberalism but would almost never actually vote republican.  People like me who want there to be freedom and equality but don't want to be lectured about how intolerant they are because they arent super comfy with whatever the latest identity politics trend is.  Democrats who don't think cops are scum.   Democrats who own guns and like guns.   Democrats who believe in border security and don't want to be lectured on the cruelty of a wall or securing the border.

This is why the current gun debate is so important.  Pushing away moderates and chastising them because they aren't as angry as you or angry with the same things is just foolish.   Its partly why we have trump as our president.

To me that article painted milo as an attention seeking avaricious and obsequious kind of toady at the feet of real movers and shakers.   It painted bannon as thinking he's the man, but really being the same kind of obsequious toady just to a higher level of boss.  Also bannon comes off as . . . .just kind of dumb.   Cunning no doubt.   Able in some weird ways to navigate the halls and yachts of power well but ultimately just kind of simple and easily played.

Gonna go out on a limb and guess that you're a white middle class male. Not that's a bad thing. It's just that it's easy for you to be drawn to his ideaology because it's liw stakes for you. If the Milo and the Bannons of the world hold power, you're fine. White, middle class males will continue to be most powerful in society. If liberals hold power, you'd still be fine but maybe not the default power setting or centered in discussions. So it can feel like liberalism is going in the wrong direction because from your position, it's shifting power away from you.

And I think the college campus snowflake bullshiat it based on cherry picked campuses and push polls. Colleges are still popping out just as many Nazi sympathizing, khaki wearing Young Republicans as they are graduating hairy-pitted, tatted SJWs.

If I am being very selfish it does not matter at all who was in power. Middle class white male for sure. However to the people who are involved with the organization's I volunteer for it matters a great deal and it also matters to me morally who is in power.

I dont want gays to be persecuted.  I don't want us to bomb brown people for little or no reason.   I also think micro aggression is ridiculous and that the everyone gets a trophy thinking is going to kill us in the long run.

There's plenty of legitimate ways to challenge the worst ideas of the liberal movement. Using Mili "I let racists ghostwrite my articles" Yiannopoulos, is not one of them.

If you're going to expose yourself to his pseudo-intellectual clap trap, at least off-set it with legitimate thinkers.


I do.   Hes just a guilty pleasure and college snowflakes are easy targets.
 
2017-10-06 12:49:47 PM  

thorpe: tuxq: I'm just wondering when all of you realize we're being pitted against each other for the "betterment" of the rich. Drop the left and right think ... it's ALL propaganda.

"i'll just take a break from attacking lefties to remind them that, if they attack me, we're all just pawns in someone else's game."


b-b-but what about the bankers and juice!
 
2017-10-06 12:49:48 PM  

Ker_Thwap: Ned Stark: I mean, in that particular study the WM/BF result was an exception to the trend. The later larger sample size study that "debuked" it found higher rates.

In fact, heres a side by side. Errr... over under.

Someone made an infographic with no link to an actual study.


Difficulty: links are in the infographic
 
2017-10-06 12:51:54 PM  

triptheory: Boxingoutsider: triptheory: Boxingoutsider: JimmyTheHutt: Beta Tested: Probably because it isn't.

[img.fark.net image 320x190]

Cant joke ever.   This is the logical extension because every joke comes at someone's expense.   How can anyone live in a perpetual state of being offended?

It couldn't possibly be that people don't like jokes that are at the expense of a minority group that is currently seeing their rights whittled away day by day. No, that wouldn't be it at all.

Maybe you should stick to "chicken crossing the road" jokes.

Day by day trans rights are expanding I believe.   Every place near me now has trans bathrooms.   Despite what the orange Hitler says they serve openly in the military .

Grow up, toughen up a little.

Nah, I think I'm doing just fine thanks.

Maybe you should be a little less of an asshole.


Maybe.   But you are a soft minded person who needs to understand people can disagree and that doesnt mean they are denying your right to life or want you thrown in the gas chamber.

The real world is a little rough and tumble.   People dont always agree.  Even people from the same political group.
 
2017-10-06 12:52:12 PM  

Ker_Thwap: Ned Stark: I mean, in that particular study the WM/BF result was an exception to the trend. The later larger sample size study that "debuked" it found higher rates.

In fact, heres a side by side. Errr... over under.

Someone made an infographic with no link to an actual study.


Ned's just here to derail another thread with endless posts of aw-shucks racism. It's his trick.
 
2017-10-06 12:54:28 PM  

Boxingoutsider: Elliot8654: Boxingoutsider: Elliot8654: Boxingoutsider: Elliot8654: Boxingoutsider: Elliot8654: Boxingoutsider: sigdiamond2000: Can you imagine waking up and feeling compelled to defend Milo Yiannopolis and Steve Bannon on the internet all morning?

Im a tiny bit of a milo fan and I'm not defending him.   I actually don't think anyone is.

I don't get how you can be a fan of him.

He is what 4chan looks like when they think they are trying to be christopher hitchens, given human form.

I like watching people squirm.   He makes people I think are ridiculous squirm.   Enemy of my enemy kind of deal.

Just because I like to watch him make pussies squirm doesnt mean I fall in lock Step with his views.   But here, and in modern society admitting I watch his videos and laugh makes me a Nazi

Terrible reason to be a fan of someone, but that's your bag, so hey. Stigginit-type attitude is what got us the most internationally despised president in history. What could go wrong?

You never had a guilty pleasure?   I like public freakout videos too, but I usually feel bad for the participants.

Im honest and stand up about it.   Ill take whatever criticism people want to hurl.   The dudes a professional troll.   I just like that he trolls people I think are ruining my party.

 please explain why trolling is at all worthy of even a guilty pleasure? Either you don't believe what you are saying and you are intentionally lying to upset people,  in which case they are a shiatbag.

Or he actually believes what he says, and is legit a shiatbag.

Either way, its complete nonsense.

Are you kidding ?   Trolling people for fun is an ancient tradition.

Watching people get trolled is the same.   Theres tv shows about it, umpteen youtubers doing it to the tune of millions of views a day.

Its not moral, its not right, you wouldnt want your mom to get trolled and get angry and act a fool.  But . . . .it can be funny and a guilty pleasure.  Like the freakout videos.  ,I feel sorry for most of the freaker outers.   Wish they would not have had an embarrassing moment caught on video.   But. . . .like many many others I will watch for a little guilty entertainment.

Call me weird then, but watching others suffer doesn't bring me joy. And in all the cases so far where youtube people or tv shows "troll" people, it ends with letting them in on the joke.

I really don't like my ex now, but she was raped when she was a teenager by her first boyfriend and we both agree that was terrible.  If someone decided to "troll" her that rape victims are at fault for getting raped, i would feel zero percent bad when she takes his knees out with a baseball bat.

Me neither.  Crush rapists and people who would troll rape victims about their rape.

These people can't be let in on the joke because to them its not a joke.   To them if I dont respect your desire to choose a new gender identity whenever you want I'm denying their right to live.   When in fact I'm saying "no, youre a dude who thinks hes different things on different days.   Youre not a woman, a dragon, a wolf, or an attack helicopter"   and that doenst make me trans phobic.   I don't care what you "identify" as.


So you are fine with people trolling, but just over topics you approve of? Gender is fine, rape isn't. Should i tell gun nuts their kids deserve it when they get killed? Or is that inappropriate? What about sexual assault victim, telling them they muat have been at least partially to blame?

And if you think it shouldn't be trolled about (like rape) but someone else does, aren't you in the same boat as us "snowflakes"?
 
2017-10-06 12:55:18 PM  

21-7-b: Boxingoutsider: I feel that.   Theres some duplicity there.   Ok.  If its a professional troll I can see may be.   But . . . .even within his trolling he does put forth some uncomfortable stats.   Real stats, not fake news.

Good work.  But the trolls that reach this level are very very few and far between.   Tuning out people who just passionately disagree with you is more what I was aiming at.

Good one!

i imagine he had a better education outside of 4chan in school up to adulthood than the vast majority of others one associates with such boards, and certainly his audience find his various affectations worthwhile, but i have to say that i find him really quite immature, and, as for genuine knowledge and insight, i really do find him to about at the level that you'd get from any far more 'ordinary' person who liked to spend a lot of time on 4chan.


Definitely highly immature.   And nothing really earth shaking factually.  Maybe some of the stats on suicide in the trans community and violence in the lesbian community that are uncomfortable for some.  But I agree.
 
2017-10-06 12:55:34 PM  

beakerxf: Do you know how money laundering works? You take that was earned in a criminal act, funnel it through a legitimate business, then the money looks legal.

Articles written by self-described racists, funneled through a couple vaguely brown looking fellas suddenly seems not racist.

Breibart is just laundered racism.


That's the least important thing about an idea. Ideas aren't money. Ideas either stand on their own or they don't. Their source and motivation can (and should) be scrutinized. But censored and discarded? You never know where a good idea might come from. Autobaun from Nazis, for example. (They were also huge into gun control)
 
2017-10-06 12:59:49 PM  

Some Guy In A Waistcoat: Ned Stark: [Snipped quote tree to avoid wall of text]

It's alright, I was making light of the first part - it's easy to get lost when a discussion gets heated and you're suddenly finding yourself in half a dozen conversations at once on a site that's not the best laid out for keeping track of them. 

Now, as for the infographic - that's mostly true, but it neatly sidesteps the points for further investigation given in the actual paper itself, which specifically mentions that this is not in any way indicative of cultural or racial differences causing tension in the relationship itself being the root cause. 

"Overall, although marital dissolution was found to be strongly associated with race or ethnicity, the results failed to provide evidence that interracial marriage per se is associated with an elevated risk of marital dissolution. Some have argued that the increasing prevalence of interracial marriage may be associated with the reduction of social distance across groups. The findings described here showing little difference between interracial and endogamous marriages in the risk of divorce or separation lends further credence to this (albeit cautiously) optimistic point of view.
[...] In addition, Black husband-White wife pairings were found to be the least stable of all marriage types. One plausible interpretation of these results is that they reflect persistent racism and distrust directed toward Blacks, particularly Black men in the United States. The qualitative findings from Yancey (2007) indicated that Whites who married Blacks experienced more firsthand racism as compared to Whites who married other non-Black minorities. Specifically, White women reported encountering more racial incidents with their Black husbands (e.g., inferior service, racial profiling, and racism against their children) and more hostilities from families and cohorts as compared to other interracial pairings (Yancey). Research in communication and cultural studies echoed Yancey's findings and found that the above-mentioned social pressures tend to increase social isolation of Black-White unions, especially from the White community, and consequently negatively impact the survival of these marriages (Hibbler & Shinew, 2002; Porterfield, 1982)."


... and?

If you marriage falls apart because of racist abuse, it's still gone. There are a lot of assholes for you to point a finger at, and boy are they guilty as sin, but it's still your personal life in shambles.
 
2017-10-06 12:59:58 PM  

Boxingoutsider: Maybe.   But you are a soft minded person who needs to understand people can disagree and that doesnt mean they are denying your right to life or want you thrown in the gas chamber.


Of course not.  They just think it's perfectly okay to hang out with guys who do want to do that.
 
2017-10-06 01:00:09 PM  

Ned Stark: Ker_Thwap: Ned Stark: I mean, in that particular study the WM/BF result was an exception to the trend. The later larger sample size study that "debuked" it found higher rates.

In fact, heres a side by side. Errr... over under.

Someone made an infographic with no link to an actual study.

Difficulty: links are in the infographic


My bad, I assumed the links led back to the image of the infographic.   I took the time to type out the link, since it wasn't clickable.

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1741-3737.2008.00582.x/f​u​ll

It's a very interesting study, but the infographic you posted is trash.  It cherrypicks data from the study without putting it in the full context of the study.  Read the study, ignore the shiatty infographic.
 
2017-10-06 01:03:13 PM  

thorpe: Ker_Thwap: Ned Stark: I mean, in that particular study the WM/BF result was an exception to the trend. The later larger sample size study that "debuked" it found higher rates.

In fact, heres a side by side. Errr... over under.

Someone made an infographic with no link to an actual study.

Ned's just here to derail another thread with endless posts of aw-shucks racism. It's his trick.


Dont blame me, HotWingConspiracybrought it up.
 
2017-10-06 01:03:30 PM  

Boxingoutsider: To them if I dont respect your desire to choose a new gender identity whenever you want I'm denying their right to live.   When in fact I'm saying "no, youre a dude who thinks hes different things on different days.   Youre not a woman, a dragon, a wolf, or an attack helicopter"   and that doenst make me trans phobic.


Look at it this way: by perpetuating the 'attack helicopter' meme, you are making it so much easier for others to spread the mockery and marginalisation to 'actual' transsexuals. More to the point, it lets you rationalise siding with a person who actively maligns trans people and tells people to attack them.

"Never feel bad for mocking a transgender person. It is our job to point out their absurdity, to not make the problem worse by pretending they are normal. Much like fat-shaming, if our mockery drives them to get the help they need, we may save their life."
 
2017-10-06 01:03:55 PM  

Elliot8654: Boxingoutsider: Elliot8654: Boxingoutsider: Elliot8654: Boxingoutsider: Elliot8654: Boxingoutsider: Elliot8654: Boxingoutsider: sigdiamond2000: Can you imagine waking up and feeling compelled to defend Milo Yiannopolis and Steve Bannon on the internet all morning?

Im a tiny bit of a milo fan and I'm not defending him.   I actually don't think anyone is.

I don't get how you can be a fan of him.

He is what 4chan looks like when they think they are trying to be christopher hitchens, given human form.

I like watching people squirm.   He makes people I think are ridiculous squirm.   Enemy of my enemy kind of deal.

Just because I like to watch him make pussies squirm doesnt mean I fall in lock Step with his views.   But here, and in modern society admitting I watch his videos and laugh makes me a Nazi

Terrible reason to be a fan of someone, but that's your bag, so hey. Stigginit-type attitude is what got us the most internationally despised president in history. What could go wrong?

You never had a guilty pleasure?   I like public freakout videos too, but I usually feel bad for the participants.

Im honest and stand up about it.   Ill take whatever criticism people want to hurl.   The dudes a professional troll.   I just like that he trolls people I think are ruining my party.

 please explain why trolling is at all worthy of even a guilty pleasure? Either you don't believe what you are saying and you are intentionally lying to upset people,  in which case they are a shiatbag.

Or he actually believes what he says, and is legit a shiatbag.

Either way, its complete nonsense.

Are you kidding ?   Trolling people for fun is an ancient tradition.

Watching people get trolled is the same.   Theres tv shows about it, umpteen youtubers doing it to the tune of millions of views a day.

Its not moral, its not right, you wouldnt want your mom to get trolled and get angry and act a fool.  But . . . .it can be funny and a guilty pleasure.  Like the freakout videos.  ,I feel sorry for most of the freaker outers.   Wish they would not have had an embarrassing moment caught on video.   But. . . .like many many others I will watch for a little guilty entertainment.

Call me weird then, but watching others suffer doesn't bring me joy. And in all the cases so far where youtube people or tv shows "troll" people, it ends with letting them in on the joke.

I really don't like my ex now, but she was raped when she was a teenager by her first boyfriend and we both agree that was terrible.  If someone decided to "troll" her that rape victims are at fault for getting raped, i would feel zero percent bad when she takes his knees out with a baseball bat.

Me neither.  Crush rapists and people who would troll rape victims about their rape.

These people can't be let in on the joke because to them its not a joke.   To them if I dont respect your desire to choose a new gender identity whenever you want I'm denying their right to live.   When in fact I'm saying "no, youre a dude who thinks hes different things on different days.   Youre not a woman, a dragon, a wolf, or an attack helicopter"   and that doenst make me trans phobic.   I don't care what you "identify" as.

So you are fine with people trolling, but just over topics you approve of? Gender is fine, rape isn't. Should i tell gun nuts their kids deserve it when they get killed? Or is that inappropriate? What about sexual assault victim, telling them they muat have been at least partially to blame?

And if you think it shouldn't be trolled about (like rape) but someone else does, aren't you in the same boat as us "snowflakes"?


Yes.  Absolutely.   Ask any comedian.  Race is still a huge part of comedy.
 
2017-10-06 01:04:04 PM  

Destructor: beakerxf: Do you know how money laundering works? You take that was earned in a criminal act, funnel it through a legitimate business, then the money looks legal.

Articles written by self-described racists, funneled through a couple vaguely brown looking fellas suddenly seems not racist.

Breibart is just laundered racism.

That's the least important thing about an idea. Ideas aren't money. Ideas either stand on their own or they don't. Their source and motivation can (and should) be scrutinized. But censored and discarded? You never know where a good idea might come from. Autobaun from Nazis, for example. (They were also huge into gun control)


The autobahn was not invented by the Nazis though, in fact prior to taking power they disliked the idea. The idea started before WW1 and then was kicked around in the 20's before being taken seriously in the 30's before Hitler took power.

That along with the idea that the nazis got people back to work are both myths. The only thing they did that significantly reduced unemployment was the war.
 
2017-10-06 01:04:38 PM  

Boxingoutsider: 21-7-b: Boxingoutsider: I feel that.   Theres some duplicity there.   Ok.  If its a professional troll I can see may be.   But . . . .even within his trolling he does put forth some uncomfortable stats.   Real stats, not fake news.

Good work.  But the trolls that reach this level are very very few and far between.   Tuning out people who just passionately disagree with you is more what I was aiming at.

Good one!

i imagine he had a better education outside of 4chan in school up to adulthood than the vast majority of others one associates with such boards, and certainly his audience find his various affectations worthwhile, but i have to say that i find him really quite immature, and, as for genuine knowledge and insight, i really do find him to about at the level that you'd get from any far more 'ordinary' person who liked to spend a lot of time on 4chan.

Definitely highly immature.   And nothing really earth shaking factually.  Maybe some of the stats on suicide in the trans community and violence in the lesbian community that are uncomfortable for some.  But I agree.


so, now on this issue of 'milo's presentation of facts being uncomfortable for some.' can you tell me more about that?
 
2017-10-06 01:05:32 PM  

yelmrog: Boxingoutsider: Maybe.   But you are a soft minded person who needs to understand people can disagree and that doesnt mean they are denying your right to life or want you thrown in the gas chamber.

Of course not.  They just think it's perfectly okay to hang out with guys who do want to do that.


No doubt.   Like I said.   Real actual honest to god Nazis.   Not "you don't hate what I hate, youre a Nazi" Nazis.
 
2017-10-06 01:05:38 PM  

Boxingoutsider: JimmyTheHutt: Cubicle Jockey: He brought them up in a discussion about Milo. Milo isn't talking on campuses about unions, the ACA or progressive taxation.

Boxingoutsider: If I don't agree with your desire to identify as a man/woman/x/dragon/attack helicopter

Uh huh.  Remember, folks, the Attack Helicopter meme is definitely not transphobic.  Totally.  Trust us.

Here we go.   Joke about it and your "phobic"     great example of precisely what I'm talking about.

Thanks for playing.


See here's the  funny thin about Humor.  "Joking" can either be a way for the otherwise powerless to "speak truth to power" and redress inequality, or it can be used by the powerful to further belittle and marginalize.  We have another name for the latter, it's called "bullying", and frankly its's the most craven, cowardly form of bullying, the kind where the bully gets to spew their hateful mean garbage, but then shield themselves from the blowback of their actions and play the victim if the target takes offense because "I was only joking"

And your example is a wonderful evocation of what makes the alt-right tick:
"If I don't agree with your desire to identify as a"

So who the fark ASKED you to "agree"/approve/or otherwise sign off on SOMEONE ELSE's decisions?  ALL you are asked to do is not be a dick to someone, and respect them , or even just not go out of your way not to oppose them,

And it's too much for you and yours.   In a way I understand.   You are White males in a system that is DESIGNED from the ground up to confer upon you EVERY possible societal advantage, and still you generally fail at completing life's basic tasks: achieving financial security, having a lasting, meaningful intimate relationship, reproducing.   And so rather than take stock and realize there is something wrong with YOU and do some real work to fix it, you blame society, you play the victim even though you started life winning the genetic lottery.  And when people do thing of which you do not "agree" well that's infuriating because it drives home just how powerless you are  and how even your  privilege, which already failed you is getting thinner and less useful by the day
 
2017-10-06 01:05:51 PM  

Boxingoutsider: Elliot8654: Boxingoutsider: Elliot8654: Boxingoutsider: Elliot8654: Boxingoutsider: Elliot8654: Boxingoutsider: Elliot8654: Boxingoutsider: sigdiamond2000: Can you imagine waking up and feeling compelled to defend Milo Yiannopolis and Steve Bannon on the internet all morning?

Im a tiny bit of a milo fan and I'm not defending him.   I actually don't think anyone is.

I don't get how you can be a fan of him.

He is what 4chan looks like when they think they are trying to be christopher hitchens, given human form.

I like watching people squirm.   He makes people I think are ridiculous squirm.   Enemy of my enemy kind of deal.

Just because I like to watch him make pussies squirm doesnt mean I fall in lock Step with his views.   But here, and in modern society admitting I watch his videos and laugh makes me a Nazi

Terrible reason to be a fan of someone, but that's your bag, so hey. Stigginit-type attitude is what got us the most internationally despised president in history. What could go wrong?

You never had a guilty pleasure?   I like public freakout videos too, but I usually feel bad for the participants.

Im honest and stand up about it.   Ill take whatever criticism people want to hurl.   The dudes a professional troll.   I just like that he trolls people I think are ruining my party.

 please explain why trolling is at all worthy of even a guilty pleasure? Either you don't believe what you are saying and you are intentionally lying to upset people,  in which case they are a shiatbag.

Or he actually believes what he says, and is legit a shiatbag.

Either way, its complete nonsense.

Are you kidding ?   Trolling people for fun is an ancient tradition.

Watching people get trolled is the same.   Theres tv shows about it, umpteen youtubers doing it to the tune of millions of views a day.

Its not moral, its not right, you wouldnt want your mom to get trolled and get angry and act a fool.  But . . . .it can be funny and a guilty pleasure.  Like the freakout videos.  ,I feel sorry for most of the freaker outers.   Wish they would not have had an embarrassing moment caught on video.   But. . . .like many many others I will watch for a little guilty entertainment.

Call me weird then, but watching others suffer doesn't bring me joy. And in all the cases so far where youtube people or tv shows "troll" people, it ends with letting them in on the joke.

I really don't like my ex now, but she was raped when she was a teenager by her first boyfriend and we both agree that was terrible.  If someone decided to "troll" her that rape victims are at fault for getting raped, i would feel zero percent bad when she takes his knees out with a baseball bat.

Me neither.  Crush rapists and people who would troll rape victims about their rape.

These people can't be let in on the joke because to them its not a joke.   To them if I dont respect your desire to choose a new gender identity whenever you want I'm denying their right to live.   When in fact I'm saying "no, youre a dude who thinks hes different things on different days.   Youre not a woman, a dragon, a wolf, or an attack helicopter"   and that doenst make me trans phobic.   I don't care what you "identify" as.

So you are fine with people trolling, but just over topics you approve of? Gender is fine, rape isn't. Should i tell gun nuts their kids deserve it when they get killed? Or is that inappropriate? What about sexual assault victim, telling them they muat have been at least partially to blame?

And if you think it shouldn't be trolled about (like rape) but someone else does, aren't you in the same boat as us "snowflakes"?

Yes.  Absolutely.   Ask any comedian.  Race is still a huge part of comedy.


BIG difference: comedians are telling jokes.
Trolls are intentionally lying just to piss people off.
 
2017-10-06 01:07:05 PM  
PanicMan:

Reclusive Republican billionaires are funding a racist media conspiracy to undermine the foundations of democracy with the tech industry that goes all the way to the highest levels of the White House and you complain about Democrats???

I am not thrilled with anything going on right now.  Including that.  The billionaires aren't even part of the two-party system.  They just use it for their profit / entertainment.

Breitbart isn't where toilet journalism began, but it is what I think of when I think of Billionaires manipulating things for fun and profit.

As for understanding the LGBT community, I played the part of the 'boyfriend' for many years to cover for someone who couldn't be out in public.  I've seen it first hand, and did what I could about it.  It has gone a bit overboard for my taste, but that is understandable considering the really-awful history.

Yes, I like the progress we've made, but in the last few years I've seen what I hated about conservatives, creeping into the liberal mindset.  Censorship.

If liberals support censorship, conservatives will run with it.  The morals of a society ebb and flow.  There are 'great restorations,' of morality and conservatism.  If you destroy freedoms for unpopular speech, you destroy your own defense against the next 'restoration.'

So there's a whole bunch of thoughts that everyone can tear into me over for various reasons.
 
2017-10-06 01:11:52 PM  
You mean you DID NAZI THAT COMING, Subby?
 
2017-10-06 01:14:06 PM  

Ned Stark: Some Guy In A Waistcoat: Ned Stark: Some Guy In A Waistcoat: Ned Stark: Some Guy In A Waistcoat: Ned Stark: Huggermugger: Ned Stark: All trends have their exceptions, and yeah that is one I knew about.

/Maybe this data just means white women mudsharks are hard to like with
//That's stolen

Isn't that the term you people usually use?  At least in private conversation and on alt-right message boards.

That doesn't call back to the higher imaginary WM/WF divorce rate and really seems more like genuine ragey misogyny than a tongue in cheek joke. Probably wouldn't have stolen that version.

FTFY. We already covered how the original study asserting higher divorce rates in mixed marriages was shown to be flawed, and following studies showed greater parity between mixed and same race/ethnicity.

What, exactly, is mixed about a WM/WF marriage?

I'll cop to it - that mistake is entirely on me. I was still thinking about the original the original argument you were going for for most of this thread about the reason for not dating outside your race as because the divorce rates show they're absolutely doomed to fail. 

So... wait. Are you claiming that it's the other way around now?

No? Chase this quote line back to the top. It starts with some guy pointing out that one study found a lower divorce rate for WM/BF than for WM/WF relationships. I agreed that every trend has it's exceptions and that I had seen the same data myself, then shared a quip someone posted the last time we talked about that study(for indeed, everything has happened before.) After that it's just huggermugger doing some dumb ftfy shiat and me explaining why what he said is nonsensical.

Damn, first you downgrade me from proper noun status when talking to other people and now you refer to me as a different party entirely. That's cold, Ned. What did I ever do to you?

Oh? My apologies. Kinda dealing with a lot of fronts here, not keeping to strict a track of who exacltly said what. If we ever meet at a dark party or some shiat remind me of how I wronged you and I'll buy you a beer or something. We can have this debate again but loud drunk and in public.


So, to get on the same page - are you saying that study is an exception to the normal trends where mixed marriages have a more or less similar divorce rate to any other, or the debunked trend for mixed marriages to have a disproportionately higher divorce rate from your original argument?

I mean, in that particular study the WM/BF result was an exception to the trend. The later larger sample size study that "debuked" it found higher rates.

In fact, heres a side by side. Errr... over under.
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Couple things:

This study is almost a decade old
Interracial marriage has increased since the publishing of the 2009 study
The source is questionable. A study was done in 08.....then real quick again in 09 that shows almost the exact opposite....and then no further research to this day.

It really doesn't matter. Waving a decade old study around and saying "checkmate nerds! Here's my proof" is leaving me limp. Dare I say "fake news"?
 
2017-10-06 01:17:34 PM  

Ned Stark: ... and?

If you marriage falls apart because of racist abuse, it's still gone. There are a lot of assholes for you to point a finger at, and boy are they guilty as sin, but it's still your personal life in shambles.


See this is the thing - you presented the argument as if the divorces were prevalent through sheer dint of dating outside your ethnic group. Intentional or not, that's how it's being read. But then when you read that perhaps it's because of societal attitudes towards mixed race couples and essentially say "I'm against mixed-race relationships because they'll only face adversity from people against mixed-race relationships", it makes you part of that exact same problem.
 
2017-10-06 01:18:48 PM  

Magorn: So who the fark ASKED you to "agree"/approve/or otherwise sign off on SOMEONE ELSE's decisions? ALL you are asked to do is not be a dick to someone, and respect them , or even just not go out of your way not to oppose them,


Too much work to even afford the basic modicum of human decency if someone isn't within acceptable parameters.
 
2017-10-06 01:19:55 PM  

thorpe: Ned's just here to derail another thread with endless posts of aw-shucks racism. It's his trick.


Possible silver lining, we might be able to make "moderate intensity dating advice" into a Fark in-joke that'll ridicule him every time we use it
 
2017-10-06 01:23:52 PM  

Boxingoutsider: People like me who want there to be freedom and equality but don't want to be lectured about how intolerant they are because they arent super comfy with whatever the latest identity politics trend is.  Democrats who don't think cops are scum.   Democrats who own guns and like guns.   Democrats who believe in border security and don't want to be lectured on the cruelty of a wall or securing the border.


Sounds mostly to me like you have bought into the propaganda being touted around the internet. Milo and his ilk spend their entire careers painting the "opposition" as a monolith of absurdity. 
Most Democrats & Liberals don't want to ban guns. 
Most Democrats & Liberals do like border security.
Most Democrats & Liberals don't think cops are scum.
Most Democrats & Liberals don't want safe spaces everywhere.
Most Democrats & Liberals don't want to ban all opposing speech.
Most Democrats & Liberals don't identify with the latest twitter trend of identity politics. 

Things aren't as black and white as you are trying to portray them as. Sure there is a vocal group on the internet who takes things too far, but that is in EVERY sub-group in our society. Stop paying attention to them and you will see a lot of nuance and complexity in the group you are being taught to hate.
 
2017-10-06 01:24:00 PM  

AdamK: The autobahn was not invented by the Nazis though, in fact prior to taking power they disliked the idea. The idea started before WW1 and then was kicked around in the 20's before being taken seriously in the 30's before Hitler took power.


Hmm. Well, so much for that chestnut.

Point still stands though. Bad people can sometimes have an occasional good idea. I'm not saying a Nazi is going to come up with a solution for world hunger (that doesn't involve genocide). But you never know.

Anyway, that's at the far extreme. The underlying premise is the unfounded assumption that everyone at Breitbart is a mini Hitler secretly pouring quicksilver into the ears of the common dolt. Should we assume that the pol tab here is full of misogynists because they make fun of Ann Coulter's appearance so often it's basically turned into a meme?
 
2017-10-06 01:24:44 PM  

Rindred: What_Would_Jimi_Do: the only way todays politicians can stay in control is to continue to drive the wedge between us. wether it is  political affiliation, race, gender or religion - and also lack thereof. gun violence, opioid additions or whatever - as long as the public are after each others throats the politicians have us exactly where they need us.

okay everyone can return to the normal race baiting and name calling.

What was called race baiting, this article proved to be "correctly identifying racists." The wedge isn't being driven by people who can successfully spot racists, but is being driven by people who will provide excuses for racists when the racists' political positions are in line with their own.

If you don't want to be lumped in with the racists, un-align your views from the racists to distinguish yourself.


Nah bro, you're missing the point.  The point is that Both Sides Are Bad, So...
 
2017-10-06 01:28:49 PM  

JerseyTim: This really is a terrific piece of journalism.

On top of being a racist and overall horrible person, the fact that Bannon doesn't spell out "are" and "you" and writes things like "Dude!!! LMAO! ... Epic" in emails makes him that much more despicable.


This!

It took me like an hour and a half between phone calls to read the article. It is very telling, now they can't
just pretend they don't court the extremist haters out there.
 
2017-10-06 01:29:01 PM  

Some Guy In A Waistcoat: Ned Stark: ... and?

If you marriage falls apart because of racist abuse, it's still gone. There are a lot of assholes for you to point a finger at, and boy are they guilty as sin, but it's still your personal life in shambles.

See this is the thing - you presented the argument as if the divorces were prevalent through sheer dint of dating outside your ethnic group.


Do you suspect that a lot of people who arent in mixed race relationships face racial abuse based on their mixed relationships(which they don't have)? Because I'm pretty sure actually being in an interracial relationship will have an impact on how often that happens.

  it makes you part of that exact same problem.

Howzat? I've never abused a mixed race couple in my life. Why would I?

I've even attended a mixed race wedding. The gift I brought was pretty crummy, but that's because I was broke not passive aggression.
 
2017-10-06 01:33:27 PM  

Prank Call of Cthulhu: For some reason the Venn diagram of "likes Nazis," "takes video games way too seriously," "enjoys functional programming," "wears fedoras and describes self as a 'nice guy'," "can't get laid," "hates women" is pretty large.


Trilbies. They wear trilbies.
img.fark.net
 
2017-10-06 01:36:01 PM  

willfullyobscure: Yep. There's a big ol' Nazi. Oh yeah. lmao

[img.fark.net image 654x459]


You know there were gay nazis the *first* time around, right? That helped Hitler rise to power?
(It didn't end well for them, and Hitler farked them over, but they existed.)

"Lol he's gay so he can't be a Nazi!" is, you know, like, historically inaccurate.
 
2017-10-06 01:40:33 PM  

Ed Grubermann: Prank Call of Cthulhu: For some reason the Venn diagram of "likes Nazis," "takes video games way too seriously," "enjoys functional programming," "wears fedoras and describes self as a 'nice guy'," "can't get laid," "hates women" is pretty large.

Trilbies. They wear trilbies.
[img.fark.net image 850x664]


Thank you. You missed one, thoughwww.indygear.com
 
2017-10-06 01:40:34 PM  

Ned Stark: It once came up here that i think interracial dating is probably a bad idea.

Which is really all that was ment. Interracial relationships blow up more often than ones that aren't. It's a bad idea in exactly the same way that, say, dating wildly out of your income bracket or education level is. There is simply a greater chance of sorrow and pain in your future.

But apparently I'm a hardcore defender of the purity of the whit race?


Thank God my wife (of 30 years) and I only have different religious beliefs. Otherwise we'd be screwed.

Your concern is duly ignored.
 
2017-10-06 01:40:41 PM  

Ned Stark: Do you suspect that a lot of people who arent in mixed race relationships face racial abuse based on their mixed relationships(which they don't have)? Because I'm pretty sure actually being in an interracial relationship will have an impact on how often that happens.


Isn't that the point I just made, and that the study alluded to? That there will be problems in mixed-race relationships suffer tension borne from societal attitudes and treatment? At least, I think it is because those two sentences barely made any sense. 

Howzat? I've never abused a mixed race couple in my life. Why would I?

Abuse was never mentioned. Attitude was. You [and that's the general 'you', not the specific) can still make life hard for a mixed couple without putting on a white hood. When people say "there're still certain attitudes and views that cause issues for mixed-race couples", and you say "Exactly! That's why I don't condone those relationships at all", that should be a point where you (that's the specific 'you' this time, not the general) badly need to be taught about the concept of 'self-fulfilling prophecy'.
 
2017-10-06 01:41:31 PM  

whitroth: Ed Grubermann: Prank Call of Cthulhu: For some reason the Venn diagram of "likes Nazis," "takes video games way too seriously," "enjoys functional programming," "wears fedoras and describes self as a 'nice guy'," "can't get laid," "hates women" is pretty large.

Trilbies. They wear trilbies.
[img.fark.net image 850x664]

Thank you. You missed one, though[www.indygear.com image 295x325]


Be attractive, don't be unattractive.  Got it.
 
2017-10-06 01:43:30 PM  
Some Guy In A Waistcoat:That there will be problems in mixed-race relationships and they may suffer tension borne from societal attitudes and treatment? At least, I think it is because those two sentences barely made any sense.


FTFM

/My kingdom for a farking edit button.
 
2017-10-06 01:44:08 PM  

Some Guy In A Waistcoat: Ned Stark: Do you suspect that a lot of people who arent in mixed race relationships face racial abuse based on their mixed relationships(which they don't have)? Because I'm pretty sure actually being in an interracial relationship will have an impact on how often that happens.

Isn't that the point I just made, and that the study alluded to? That there will be problems in mixed-race relationships suffer tension borne from societal attitudes and treatment? At least, I think it is because those two sentences barely made any sense. 

Howzat? I've never abused a mixed race couple in my life. Why would I?

Abuse was never mentioned. Attitude was. You [and that's the general 'you', not the specific) can still make life hard for a mixed couple without putting on a white hood. When people say "there're still certain attitudes and views that cause issues for mixed-race couples", and you say "Exactly! That's why I don't condone those relationships at all", that should be a point where you (that's the specific 'you' this time, not the general) badly need to be taught about the concept of 'self-fulfilling prophecy'.


I absolutely condone interracial realationships. Not once have I ever claimed that being involved in one was wrong in any way.
 
2017-10-06 01:44:09 PM  
I don't get what these people.."DO"...They get people to read their stupid little right wing
Nazi crap  and jerk off to it? I just don't get it..Their market isn't that big, and most of them hide
in the cracks and crevices. They spout on and on about revolutions and tearing down systems, etc..
But really they are just playing both sides for a buck. A few hundred rednecks with tiki-torches,once,  does not a "revolution" make.. The "true believers" are aligned on the wrong side of history, they have aligned
themselves with Timothy McVeigh,  The Atlanta Olympic bomber, Branch Dildonians,  The Ruby Ridge idiots,
The Waco Branch Davidians, etc...  And in almost all of those above cases, their actions resulted in the
deaths and/or injury of children.
 
2017-10-06 01:45:33 PM  

Destructor: AdamK: The autobahn was not invented by the Nazis though, in fact prior to taking power they disliked the idea. The idea started before WW1 and then was kicked around in the 20's before being taken seriously in the 30's before Hitler took power.

Hmm. Well, so much for that chestnut.

Point still stands though. Bad people can sometimes have an occasional good idea. I'm not saying a Nazi is going to come up with a solution for world hunger (that doesn't involve genocide). But you never know.

Anyway, that's at the far extreme. The underlying premise is the unfounded assumption that everyone at Breitbart is a mini Hitler secretly pouring quicksilver into the ears of the common dolt. Should we assume that the pol tab here is full of misogynists because they make fun of Ann Coulter's appearance so often it's basically turned into a meme?


Right well they hijacked the leading industrial/technological & military power in europe so by proxy they could claim ownership of lots of shiat when really the nazis were only good at: killing, drugs, stealing & slavery.
 
2017-10-06 01:48:06 PM  
the worst racists are the gay ones.
 
2017-10-06 01:48:56 PM  

Ned Stark: Some Guy In A Waistcoat: Ned Stark: Do you suspect that a lot of people who arent in mixed race relationships face racial abuse based on their mixed relationships(which they don't have)? Because I'm pretty sure actually being in an interracial relationship will have an impact on how often that happens.

Isn't that the point I just made, and that the study alluded to? That there will be problems in mixed-race relationships suffer tension borne from societal attitudes and treatment? At least, I think it is because those two sentences barely made any sense. 

Howzat? I've never abused a mixed race couple in my life. Why would I?

Abuse was never mentioned. Attitude was. You [and that's the general 'you', not the specific) can still make life hard for a mixed couple without putting on a white hood. When people say "there're still certain attitudes and views that cause issues for mixed-race couples", and you say "Exactly! That's why I don't condone those relationships at all", that should be a point where you (that's the specific 'you' this time, not the general) badly need to be taught about the concept of 'self-fulfilling prophecy'.

I absolutely condone interracial realationships. Not once have I ever claimed that being involved in one was wrong in any way.


Shouldn't you be busy reading that study that you linked to, and apologizing for posting that infographic?
 
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