Guadior42: Two of my 3 kids need the bili lights for a brief amount of time. Of course, their mother and I were not complete retarded farkwits and had our babies in modern hospitals, with all the benefits a modern, scientific society could offer.
mjjt: If you really want to cause dissension in the ranks, ask "We know God is perfect, and doesn't make mistakes, but if you were God, what would you change about today's world .... ?"And watch them try to hold two conflicting ideas in their tiny regimented minds
SansNeural: Guadior42: Two of my 3 kids need the bili lights for a brief amount of time. Of course, their mother and I were not complete retarded farkwits and had our babies in modern hospitals, with all the benefits a modern, scientific society could offer.Yeah, our first child needed the lights for 3 or 4 days. We brought him home after birth and by the second day we noticed the hue of his skin was scary yellow/orange.Took him back for a refund, but they shined lights on him instead. "See? Good as new!" they said. Seemed all right so we took him home. They neglected to tell us that some day he'd be a teenager.
washington-babylon: Or that when God created everything, that really means EVERYTHING. The entirety of space and time. Which means that just because we are trapped inside time following a certain path, God doesn't have to be. To an outside observer from dimensions higher than the ones we observe on a daily basis, "difficult" things like Omnipotence, Omniscience, and Omnipresence are trivial things almost not worth even noticing.
FormlessOne: Hilarious. Y'know, the thing that I find most interesting about the concept of a deity is that, for all we know, if such an entity even exists, the only true "act" that entity probably performed was to force a superposition to collapse into a position for the first damned time, ever, by observing it, and that everything that occurred after that was entirely driven by observation, not action.Of course that God makes no mistakes - He does nothing, good or bad, but merely watches. Perhaps we could wrap a religion around the Prime Observer, and make observation a sacred ritual. Imagine the fun - suddenly, the first true act of the scientific method is also the First Act of the One True Religion. We are made in that God's image because, like God, our act of observation changes both observer and observed, and the more observed the phenomenon, the more influence the observers have upon it - in other words, like God, we, too, can change reality through observation. We develop a catechism that includes all who observe, without discrimination - indeed, "God's creatures" are defined by their ability to effect observation great enough to influence quantum events.Or, I could just be really bored because I can't sleep and I'm taking a break from writing documentation about open source database implementations.
Lady J: Resident Muslim: aagrajag: Weaver95: bigfatbuddhist: That's some weapons-grade stupid saying, "Well, my kid's dead; but, it's okay because that's exactly what God wanted. I, on the other hand, will continue to look both ways when I cross the street..."that's evangelical christianity for you. its not a faith that encourages introspection or logic.Respectfully, Weav, no faith encourages introspection on logic; that's why it's called "faith". Some are merely worse offenders than others.Respectfully disagree.A lot of parts of the Islamic faith ask us to observe both creation and ourselves./a lot of today's science stems from thatHmm. I got handed a bunch of literature on Islam recently, which I've glanced over.The stuff actually makes a genuine effort to reconcile some of the traditional teaching of the faith, with 21st century society. And it's articulate and interesting, but there comes a point, where two conflicting beliefs meet, where they just have to fudge it. So (I don't know the exact words) women are supposed to be subservient to their husband... there's just no palatable way to say that to a 21st century London woman. So they just fudge it, with a lot of handwaving. And the science booklet is the same.
chuggernaught: Weaver95: christanity is not our friend.A couple of asshats do something evil so you blame the entire religion? You're better than that. That's something a Republican would do.
FormlessOne: Perhaps we could wrap a religion around the Prime Observer, and make observation a sacred ritual. Imagine the fun - suddenly, the first true act of the scientific method is also the First Act of the One True Religion.
Muzzleloader: Weaver95: christanity is not our friend.Never has been. It was designed from the ground up as a slaves religion to keep the poor and lessers in line. Roll over, stick your ass in the air and yell thank you god, I deserved that ass pounding, give me another. Don't worry now, after you die, you will spend forever in paradise and all the bad mean people will get their just rewards. Just remember to thank him for the fact that the shiat sandwich you eat every day has any bread at all. Oh, and even though he created everything, nothing evil is his fault. A religion for slaves and mindless fools.
aagrajag: How about this: they go free on their merry way after having surrendered their testicles and ovaries?
katrina_666: Lady J: It sounds like police are involved, but is this a crime?Don't get me wrong, it farking should be, but it's not in the US is it, because of religious freedumb bollocks?This took place in Michagan.
aagrajag: Critical thinking and faith are mutual enemies.
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