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(Irish Independent)   Parents charged with manslaughter after newborn dies from treatable jaundice because parents refused to seek medical help. Their excuse? "God makes no mistakes"   ( independent.ie) divider line
    More: Sick, Ms Piland, Detective Peter Scaccia, Pediatrics, medical examiner, Faith Tech Ministries, Medicine, two-day-year old child, fellow church members  
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2017-10-06 02:55:05 AM  
If you really want to cause dissension in the ranks, ask "We know God is perfect, and doesn't make mistakes, but if you were God, what would you change about today's world .... ?"

And watch them try to hold two conflicting ideas in their tiny regimented minds
 
2017-10-06 03:10:25 AM  
Wrong. God made at least two: these farking shiat stain parents.

/if there was a God, that is
 
2017-10-06 03:10:42 AM  
So I guess God wasn't responsible for the human rationality that led to science and medicine.
 
2017-10-06 03:28:36 AM  
christanity is not our friend.
 
2017-10-06 03:55:18 AM  
That's some weapons-grade stupid saying, "Well, my kid's dead; but, it's okay because that's exactly what God wanted.  I, on the other hand, will continue to look both ways when I cross the street..."
 
2017-10-06 03:56:46 AM  
God might be right here and have those assholes locked up for years to keep them from being assholes that are breeding more assholes.
 
2017-10-06 05:16:59 AM  
Hilarious. Y'know, the thing that I find most interesting about the concept of a deity is that, for all we know, if such an entity even exists, the only true "act" that entity probably performed was to force a superposition to collapse into a position for the first damned time, ever, by observing it, and that everything that occurred after that was entirely driven by observation, not action.

Of course that God makes no mistakes - He does nothing, good or bad, but merely watches. Perhaps we could wrap a religion around the Prime Observer, and make observation a sacred ritual. Imagine the fun - suddenly, the first true act of the scientific method is also the First Act of the One True Religion. We are made in that God's image because, like God, our act of observation changes both observer and observed, and the more observed the phenomenon, the more influence the observers have upon it - in other words, like God, we, too, can change reality through observation. We develop a catechism that includes all who observe, without discrimination - indeed, "God's creatures" are defined by their ability to effect observation great enough to influence quantum events.

Or, I could just be really bored because I can't sleep and I'm taking a break from writing documentation about open source database implementations.
 
2017-10-06 05:23:13 AM  

FormlessOne: Hilarious. Y'know, the thing that I find most interesting about the concept of a deity is that, for all we know, if such an entity even exists, the only true "act" that entity probably performed was to force a superposition to collapse into a position for the first damned time, ever, by observing it, and that everything that occurred after that was entirely driven by observation, not action.


i've never understood why the christians tried to claim their god was all knowing and all powerful.  their religion is pretty late to the game....its been around what?  2000 years AT MOST?  less than that even, depending on how you count and which splinter sect we're talking about.  I could maybe see it if the christians just said their god was 'powerful'.  ok, sure.  I can go with that.  but 'all knowing/all powerful'?  c'mon.  that's just not ever going to make sense.
 
2017-10-06 05:36:20 AM  
The overlap between religion and stupidity/mental illness is as obvious as anything in God's creation.
 
2017-10-06 05:37:29 AM  

bigfatbuddhist: That's some weapons-grade stupid saying, "Well, my kid's dead; but, it's okay because that's exactly what God wanted.  I, on the other hand, will continue to look both ways when I cross the street..."


that's evangelical christianity for you.  its not a faith that encourages introspection or logic.
 
2017-10-06 05:50:50 AM  

mjjt: If you really want to cause dissension in the ranks, ask "We know God is perfect, and doesn't make mistakes, but if you were God, what would you change about today's world .... ?"

And watch them try to hold two conflicting ideas in their tiny regimented minds


Religious extremists have no problem utterly believing directly incompatible ideas. That's what you get from centuries of violently repressing any questions.
 
2017-10-06 05:55:55 AM  
Just another day in the third world.
 
2017-10-06 06:00:40 AM  
Looks like God made at least two mistakes.
 
2017-10-06 06:06:35 AM  
How about this: they go free on their merry way after having surrendered their testicles and ovaries?
 
2017-10-06 06:07:07 AM  
So I guess it's God's will that you go to prison for a long while.
 
2017-10-06 06:09:44 AM  

Weaver95: bigfatbuddhist: That's some weapons-grade stupid saying, "Well, my kid's dead; but, it's okay because that's exactly what God wanted.  I, on the other hand, will continue to look both ways when I cross the street..."

that's evangelical christianity for you.  its not a faith that encourages introspection or logic.


Respectfully, Weav, no faith encourages introspection on logic; that's why it's called "faith". Some are merely worse offenders than others.
 
2017-10-06 06:10:14 AM  
I guess God really wanted them in prison.  Kind of a dick way to go about that, but...
 
2017-10-06 06:12:32 AM  

Ambivalence: I guess God really wanted them in prison.  Kind of a dick way to go about that, but...


"Mysterious way... blah blah blah"

There is no God, and if there is - or She isn't just the forces around us we call Nature - then He's a right bastard.
 
2017-10-06 06:14:38 AM  

aagrajag: Respectfully, Weav, no faith encourages introspection on logic; that's why it's called "faith". Some are merely worse offenders than others


actually, there are at least a couple of faiths/religions that demand you study and question the world around you.  Judiasm does, so does neo-paganism and modern heathenry.  eastern religions too I believe, although I couldn't cite specific examples.

islam and christanity tho, they built their political, social and economic power base on creating and maintaining fear, ignorance and unquestioning obedience.
 
2017-10-06 06:15:18 AM  
Yeah, stupid parents. You're only allowed to ignore your kids and allow them to die if they are over 5 years old and not in a hot car.
 
2017-10-06 06:16:28 AM  
Both Josh and (Rachel) reached out to friends and fellow church members to come to their home and pray for Abigail's resurrection

Man, some people really need to be allahu akbared...

Also, how is this involuntary manslaughter? Not seeking help isn't an oopsy that just happens.
 
2017-10-06 06:16:39 AM  
/a few local kids have been killed, and more hurt, riding ATVs in recent years
//one was six years old
 
2017-10-06 06:16:58 AM  

FormlessOne: Hilarious. Y'know, the thing that I find most interesting about the concept of a deity is that, for all we know, if such an entity even exists, the only true "act" that entity probably performed was to force a superposition to collapse into a position for the first damned time, ever, by observing it, and that everything that occurred after that was entirely driven by observation, not action.

Of course that God makes no mistakes - He does nothing, good or bad, but merely watches. Perhaps we could wrap a religion around the Prime Observer, and make observation a sacred ritual. Imagine the fun - suddenly, the first true act of the scientific method is also the First Act of the One True Religion. We are made in that God's image because, like God, our act of observation changes both observer and observed, and the more observed the phenomenon, the more influence the observers have upon it - in other words, like God, we, too, can change reality through observation. We develop a catechism that includes all who observe, without discrimination - indeed, "God's creatures" are defined by their ability to effect observation great enough to influence quantum events.

Or, I could just be really bored because I can't sleep and I'm taking a break from writing documentation about open source database implementations.


You can tell a member of the Church of the All-seeing Eye by their departure salutation.

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2017-10-06 06:18:00 AM  

lucksi: Also, how is this involuntary manslaughter? Not seeking help isn't an oopsy that just happens.


Because they are Christian.

Forget religious, it is because of their religion.

But, this is America, and that's... okay...?
 
2017-10-06 06:18:39 AM  
This is a condition that can literally be treated by shining light on the baby. I believe even bright sunlight can help.

I hope the parents find themselves standing on the roof of their car in rising floodwaters.
 
2017-10-06 06:19:39 AM  

Weaver95: aagrajag: Respectfully, Weav, no faith encourages introspection on logic; that's why it's called "faith". Some are merely worse offenders than others

actually, there are at least a couple of faiths/religions that demand you study and question the world around you.  Judiasm does, so does neo-paganism and modern heathenry.  eastern religions too I believe, although I couldn't cite specific examples.

islam and christanity tho, they built their political, social and economic power base on creating and maintaining fear, ignorance and unquestioning obedience.


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there are at least a couple of faiths/religions that demand you study and question the world around you.

This is true, certainly of most forms of Judaism and the Jesuits, but it remains the fact that even those groups will only explore the world and its reality insofar as it can be reconciled with their most basic dogmas. Some are more flexible than others but when reality conflicts with the more fundamental teachings, they will crimestop every time.

Critical thinking and faith are mutual enemies.
 
2017-10-06 06:20:59 AM  

aagrajag: Critical thinking and faith are mutual enemies.


they CAN be, but it is not a requirement.

well...unless you're evangelical.  ignorance is kind of the point of the whole thing.
 
2017-10-06 06:23:12 AM  
It sounds like police are involved, but is this a crime?

Don't get me wrong, it farking should be, but it's not in the US is it, because of religious freedumb bollocks?
 
2017-10-06 06:23:13 AM  
Good, fark both of them.
 
2017-10-06 06:23:37 AM  

Weaver95: aagrajag: Respectfully, Weav, no faith encourages introspection on logic; that's why it's called "faith". Some are merely worse offenders than others

actually, there are at least a couple of faiths/religions that demand you study and question the world around you.  Judiasm does, so does neo-paganism and modern heathenry.  eastern religions too I believe, although I couldn't cite specific examples.

islam and christanity tho, they built their political, social and economic power base on creating and maintaining fear, ignorance and unquestioning obedience.


You have to be careful of some of the Heathen groups, though. On the surface they seem perfectly reasonable and inclusive, with a questioning nate, as you said. But there are at least a few that have been virtually taken over by white supremacists, and are merely a vehicle for recruiting anymore.

/Got to be careful about banging the 'Hot Pagan Chick'
//Her friends might be bald and want to talk about the good word of Hitler with you.
///Friday Slashies
 
2017-10-06 06:24:20 AM  

MmmmBacon: nate


"Nature". Damnit.
 
2017-10-06 06:26:59 AM  
 Then surely they will accept whatever the legal punishment is for this since it is also God's will.

The Lord works in mysterious ways...
 
2017-10-06 06:28:14 AM  
Ummm...anyone know anything about their"church" mentioned in the article?

"Faith Tech ministries" sounds pretty cult-y to me.

Didn't Scientology use similar legal terminology? Belief technology or something?
 
2017-10-06 06:30:15 AM  

MmmmBacon: Weaver95: aagrajag: Respectfully, Weav, no faith encourages introspection on logic; that's why it's called "faith". Some are merely worse offenders than others

actually, there are at least a couple of faiths/religions that demand you study and question the world around you.  Judiasm does, so does neo-paganism and modern heathenry.  eastern religions too I believe, although I couldn't cite specific examples.

islam and christanity tho, they built their political, social and economic power base on creating and maintaining fear, ignorance and unquestioning obedience.

You have to be careful of some of the Heathen groups, though. On the surface they seem perfectly reasonable and inclusive, with a questioning nate, as you said. But there are at least a few that have been virtually taken over by white supremacists, and are merely a vehicle for recruiting anymore.

/Got to be careful about banging the 'Hot Pagan Chick'
//Her friends might be bald and want to talk about the good word of Hitler with you.
///Friday Slashies


Ok now I wanna hear your stories...they sound like they'd make for a good premise to a film.
 
2017-10-06 06:30:49 AM  

mjjt: If you really want to cause dissension in the ranks, ask "We know God is perfect, and doesn't make mistakes, but if you were God, what would you change about today's world .... ?"

And watch them try to hold two conflicting ideas in their tiny regimented minds


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2017-10-06 06:31:57 AM  

Lady J: It sounds like police are involved, but is this a crime?

Don't get me wrong, it farking should be, but it's not in the US is it, because of religious freedumb bollocks?


This took place in Michagan.
 
2017-10-06 06:33:30 AM  

MmmmBacon: But there are at least a few that have been virtually taken over by white supremacists, and are merely a vehicle for recruiting anymore.


yeah, I know a couple of those asshats in my local area.

f*cktards don't know what they're talking about.
 
2017-10-06 06:37:29 AM  

Weaver95: christanity is not our friend.


Never has been.
 It was designed from the ground up as a slaves religion to keep the poor and lessers in line.
  Roll over, stick your ass in the air and yell thank you god, I deserved that ass pounding, give me another.
  Don't worry now, after you die, you will spend forever in paradise and all the bad mean people will get their just rewards.
  Just remember to thank him for the fact that the shiat sandwich you eat every day has any bread at all.
    Oh, and even though he created everything, nothing evil is his fault.
  A religion for slaves and mindless fools.
 
2017-10-06 06:40:36 AM  

Muzzleloader: Weaver95: christanity is not our friend.

Never has been.
 It was designed from the ground up as a slaves religion to keep the poor and lessers in line.
  Roll over, stick your ass in the air and yell thank you god, I deserved that ass pounding, give me another.
  Don't worry now, after you die, you will spend forever in paradise and all the bad mean people will get their just rewards.
  Just remember to thank him for the fact that the shiat sandwich you eat every day has any bread at all.
    Oh, and even though he created everything, nothing evil is his fault.
  A religion for slaves and mindless fools.


Approves, as do I:

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2017-10-06 06:42:44 AM  

lucksi: Both Josh and (Rachel) reached out to friends and fellow church members to come to their home and pray for Abigail's resurrection

Man, some people really need to be allahu akbared...

Also, how is this involuntary manslaughter? Not seeking help isn't an oopsy that just happens.


THIS. These parents knowingly, willfully and deliberately prevented this child from getting live saving medical help.
  That is straight up murder.
 
2017-10-06 06:44:27 AM  
Despite the fact Abigail wasn't eating properly and coughed up blood, the detective said Ms Piland put the two-day-year old child "near a window wearing just a diaper utilizing a hair dryer to keep her warm".

If God doesn't make mistakes, then why use a hair dryer to warn the baby? Room temperature and the sun should had been enough. That baby died because these idolaters placed their faith on their fancy machine instead of the lord. Well, looks like their golden calf was just full of hot air.
 
2017-10-06 06:46:51 AM  

Muzzleloader: lucksi: Both Josh and (Rachel) reached out to friends and fellow church members to come to their home and pray for Abigail's resurrection

Man, some people really need to be allahu akbared...

Also, how is this involuntary manslaughter? Not seeking help isn't an oopsy that just happens.

THIS. These parents knowingly, willfully and deliberately prevented this child from getting live saving medical help.
  That is straight up murder.


IANAL, but I think that legally, murder requires an overt act. This has a ring of "depraved indifference" or the like.

Just nitpicking. This makes me sick.
 
2017-10-06 06:47:20 AM  

Muzzleloader: That is straight up murder.


This country has way too much of a "children are property of their parents" mentality for that to happen in all but the most brutal cases.
 
2017-10-06 06:48:15 AM  

swamp_of_dumb: FormlessOne: <My ramblings, omitted for brevity>

You can tell a member of the Church of the All-seeing Eye by their departure salutation.

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Heh. Gotta love a relevant Prisoner reference...
 
2017-10-06 06:49:26 AM  

aagrajag: Muzzleloader: lucksi: Both Josh and (Rachel) reached out to friends and fellow church members to come to their home and pray for Abigail's resurrection

Man, some people really need to be allahu akbared...

Also, how is this involuntary manslaughter? Not seeking help isn't an oopsy that just happens.

THIS. These parents knowingly, willfully and deliberately prevented this child from getting live saving medical help.
  That is straight up murder.

IANAL, but I think that legally, murder requires an overt act. This has a ring of "depraved indifference" or the like.

Just nitpicking. This makes me sick.


Negligent manslaughter, if I was a betting person.
 
2017-10-06 06:49:47 AM  
Weaver95: christanity humanity is not our friend. FTFY
 
2017-10-06 06:50:07 AM  

Bowen: Muzzleloader: That is straight up murder.

This country has way too much of a "children are property of their parents" mentality for that to happen in all but the most brutal cases.

Your children are not your children.
They are the sons and daughters of Life's longing for itself.
They come through you but not from you,
And though they are with you yet they belong not to you.
You may give them your love but not your thoughts, 
For they have their own thoughts.
You may house their bodies but not their souls,
For their souls dwell in the house of tomorrow, 
which you cannot visit, not even in your dreams.
You may strive to be like them, 
but seek not to make them like you.
For life goes not backward nor tarries with yesterday.
You are the bows from which your children
as living arrows are sent forth.
The archer sees the mark upon the path of the infinite, 
and He bends you with His might 
that His arrows may go swift and far.
Let your bending in the archer's hand be for gladness;
For even as He loves the arrow that flies, 
so He loves also the bow that is stable.

 
2017-10-06 06:54:02 AM  
Their god loves dead babbies, so... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
2017-10-06 06:54:04 AM  
FormlessOne: <words>

User name checks out for a non-corporeal deity.
 
2017-10-06 06:56:08 AM  

Gleeman: backhand.slap.of.reason: mjjt: Apparently he made lots of mistakes

Three Whom God Should Not Have Created: Persians, Jews, and Flies  is an anti-Iranian and anti-semitic Iraqi government[citation needed] pamphlet widely published during the era of Saddam Hussein.
The author, Khairallah Talfah, was an Iraqi Ba'ath Party official, and the maternal uncle and father-in-law of Saddam Hussein. He first wrote the ten-page pamphlet in 1940.
In 1981, following the start of the Iran-Iraq War, the Iraqi government publishing house Dar al-Hurriyya (Abode of Liberty) republished it, and the Iraqi Ministry of Education distributed the propaganda as part of a textbook for school-children.
The work describes Persians as "animals God created in the shape of humans", Jews as a "mixture of dirt and the leftovers of diverse people",[1] and flies as poor misunderstood creatures "whom we do not understand God's purpose in creating".[2][3] According to Con Coughlin, "This weak Iraqi attempt at imitating Mein Kampf nevertheless had a bearing on Saddam's future policymaking. As president of Iraq, Saddam's foreign policy was determined by his hatred of the Persians, or Iranians as they are better known, and the Israelis."[2] To put it more soberly, Iraq competed militarily with Pahlavi Iran to its east and Israel to its west, and was perceived by both countries to be an existential threat, until Saddam settled his differences with Mohammad Reza Shah Pahlavi through the 1975 Algiers Agreement.
Saddam Hussein had the book's title phrase etched into a plaque he kept on his desk.[4]

Feel free to append the list

Want Persia modern day Iraq?

Iran.

IRT TFA: looks like our mental health system failed yet again.


What system?
 
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