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2017-10-05 08:28:38 PM  
Remember the good old days, when even unpopular Presidents were still able to be the adult in the room?
 
2017-10-05 08:57:37 PM  
WTF does my ex-gf have to do with North Korea?
 
2017-10-05 09:06:45 PM  
But we know this.
Their strategy has always been about self preservation of the dynastic rule.

delay, threaten, demand
 
2017-10-06 12:00:44 AM  
There is no remaining chance that it will agree to a total denuclearization, as it has seen what happened in a denuclearized Libya and assessed the doubtful status of U.S. adherence to the Iran nuclear agreement.

This is one of the many things 45 doesn't realize. If he backs out of the Iran deal without a good reason the rest of the world is never going to trust us in any kind of negotiation for as long as he's predisent.
 
2017-10-06 02:01:59 AM  

fusillade762: There is no remaining chance that it will agree to a total denuclearization, as it has seen what happened in a denuclearized Libya and assessed the doubtful status of U.S. adherence to the Iran nuclear agreement.

This is one of the many things 45 doesn't realize. If he backs out of the Iran deal without a good reason the rest of the world is never going to trust us in any kind of negotiation for as long as he's predisent.


Yes, he does understand all of that.

He's not content with the U.S. being chaotic, he has to make the entire world chaotic.

What if, and this is a HUGE what if, Trump and Putin both want the world to themselves.

Putin is driving wedges into every single country he can (Brexit, Catalonia, etc.) so that he can conquer them.

Trump think's he's going to get a part of it as well by going along with it. Of course, Putin has absolutely no intention of doing so, but he plays to Trump's narcissism to get what he wants.

I know it's easy to deride Trump as stupid. He certainly appears to be. But it's possible that everything he's ever done, from even before the election, has come from a misguided sense of overwhelming greed.

He doesn't care about the U.S. He doesn't care about the world. He cares about himself and his offspring. (Except Tiffany for whatever reason.)

And all of the "good things" that he does for his idiotic base is to shore up his power in any way he can.

If his ends get threatened in any real way, expect him to go ballistic. And I don't mean just throwing temper tantrums.

Even if Mueller finds damning incontrovertible proof.
Even if the House votes to impeach.
Even if the Senate moves to remove him from office.
Who is going to make him leave if he does not choose to do so?

This also includes him losing in 2020, assuming that he even allows an election to take place if he doesn't think he will win.

To what extreme will he go to ensure his family's success in this endeavor?

And to what extreme will he go if he realizes that he has no chance to succeed?

/Phew
//For a minute there
///I lost myself
 
2017-10-06 03:15:06 AM  
img.fark.net
 
2017-10-06 03:16:27 AM  

HedlessChickn: fusillade762: There is no remaining chance that it will agree to a total denuclearization, as it has seen what happened in a denuclearized Libya and assessed the doubtful status of U.S. adherence to the Iran nuclear agreement.

This is one of the many things 45 doesn't realize. If he backs out of the Iran deal without a good reason the rest of the world is never going to trust us in any kind of negotiation for as long as he's predisent.

Yes, he does understand all of that.

He's not content with the U.S. being chaotic, he has to make the entire world chaotic.

What if, and this is a HUGE what if, Trump and Putin both want the world to themselves.

Putin is driving wedges into every single country he can (Brexit, Catalonia, etc.) so that he can conquer them.

Trump think's he's going to get a part of it as well by going along with it. Of course, Putin has absolutely no intention of doing so, but he plays to Trump's narcissism to get what he wants.

I know it's easy to deride Trump as stupid. He certainly appears to be. But it's possible that everything he's ever done, from even before the election, has come from a misguided sense of overwhelming greed.

He doesn't care about the U.S. He doesn't care about the world. He cares about himself and his offspring. (Except Tiffany for whatever reason.)

And all of the "good things" that he does for his idiotic base is to shore up his power in any way he can.

If his ends get threatened in any real way, expect him to go ballistic. And I don't mean just throwing temper tantrums.

Even if Mueller finds damning incontrovertible proof.
Even if the House votes to impeach.
Even if the Senate moves to remove him from office.
Who is going to make him leave if he does not choose to do so?

This also includes him losing in 2020, assuming that he even allows an election to take place if he doesn't think he will win.

To what extreme will he go to ensure his family's success in this endeavor?

And to what extreme will he go if he realiz ...


you have now been officially farkied as someone who knows chaos theory.

"you'll find out" he says..he will push any button he has to when Meuller comes down on him. Let's hope he does it quick enough so that Trump doesn't have that chance.
 
2017-10-06 03:17:56 AM  
Hes one of those do nothing president. Only last 4 years. If he thinks he got all the answers, why didnt he win another 4 years?
 
2017-10-06 03:19:28 AM  

FlyingBacon: Hes one of those do nothing president. Only last 4 years. If he thinks he got all the answers, why didnt he win another 4 years?


Gas was expensive
 
2017-10-06 03:22:33 AM  

biggamehickman: FlyingBacon: Hes one of those do nothing president. Only last 4 years. If he thinks he got all the answers, why didnt he win another 4 years?

Gas was expensive


Ted Koppel's little show didn't help. Coming out of Vietnam, Watergate, high inflation, the country couldn't handle the Iranian Hostage Crisis.
 
2017-10-06 03:32:11 AM  
"Greatest Monster" =/= Carter =/= good president

Well meaning, good guy, ineffective administrator
 
2017-10-06 03:35:06 AM  

HedlessChickn: Yes, he does understand all of that.


No.  He doesn't.
 
2017-10-06 03:38:46 AM  
Carter's assessment is fundamentally correct. The only thing Li'l Kim and the Bling Generals want is to remain in power.

This is achievable on a human scale (unlike the cosmic destiny-level bring back the Caliphate stuff that Isil and AQ want, which is to say, they don't really want anything) which means we can offer them a vision of the future which gives them that while also giving us what we want.

This absolutely works as a threat reduction strategy. It worked with the IRA - they wanted a united Ireland, we offered them a roadmap which has a that as a possible outcome through peaceable means; they (largely) stopped blowing people up and went into government. Even though Stormont looks a bit precarious at the moment no-one thinks the hard men are about to pick up the armalites again.

It's more or less worked (admittedly after they suffered serious military reversals at government hands) with the various South American terrorist factions. You might argue it's worked in Vietnam, a close analogue of DPRK, although what seems to have worked more is capitalism.

There are still ways out of this.
 
2017-10-06 03:39:31 AM  
I'm the Jimmy Carter, punkin' instigator.
I'm the fear addicted, danger illustrated.

I am Jimmy Carter, twisted Jimmy Carter.
You're the Jimmy Carter, twisted Jimmy Carter.
I am Jimmy Carter, twisted Jimmy Carter.

I'm the biatch you hated, filth infatuated - yeah
I'm the pain you tasted, well intoxicated

I am Jimmy Carter, twisted Jimmy Carter.
You're the Jimmy Carter, twisted Jimmy Carter.

I'm the self inflicted, mind detonator - yeah.
I'm the one infected, twisted animator.

I am Jimmy Carter, twisted Jimmy Carter.
You're the Jimmy Carter, twisted Jimmy Carter.
I am Jimmy Carter, twisted Jimmy Carter.
 
2017-10-06 03:48:08 AM  
vignette.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2017-10-06 03:52:33 AM  
Kissinger or Cheney?
 
2017-10-06 03:53:21 AM  
m.quickmeme.com
 
2017-10-06 03:54:06 AM  

HedlessChickn: Catalonia


Is that the reason now? Putin?

I can buy Brexit. Brits are that stupid. Catalonia? I'd buy SPAIN selling itself to Putin before Catalonia.
 
2017-10-06 03:55:12 AM  
Nessie wants his tree fitty from Kim?
 
2017-10-06 03:55:59 AM  
DNRA: Kissinger? Hanson?
 
2017-10-06 03:57:04 AM  
Jimmy Carter?  OMFG you reminded me of a time when shiat wasn't real.

Wait.  I want my life back.

Seriously.  This one sucks.
 
2017-10-06 03:57:37 AM  

wildcardjack: [m.quickmeme.com image 625x491]


No, he's sending over cases of Billy Beer.
 
2017-10-06 04:04:50 AM  

fusillade762: There is no remaining chance that it will agree to a total denuclearization, as it has seen what happened in a denuclearized Libya and assessed the doubtful status of U.S. adherence to the Iran nuclear agreement.

This is one of the many things 45 doesn't realize. If he backs out of the Iran deal without a good reason the rest of the world is never going to trust us in any kind of negotiation for as long as he's predisent.


They'll just never trust us.  American Supremacy is dead.
 
2017-10-06 04:11:14 AM  

puffy999: Brits are that stupid.


Coming from anybody but an American that would be an insult.
 
2017-10-06 04:12:57 AM  

HedlessChickn: fusillade762: There is no remaining chance that it will agree to a total denuclearization, as it has seen what happened in a denuclearized Libya and assessed the doubtful status of U.S. adherence to the Iran nuclear agreement.

This is one of the many things 45 doesn't realize. If he backs out of the Iran deal without a good reason the rest of the world is never going to trust us in any kind of negotiation for as long as he's predisent.

Yes, he does understand all of that.

He's not content with the U.S. being chaotic, he has to make the entire world chaotic.

What if, and this is a HUGE what if, Trump and Putin both want the world to themselves.

Putin is driving wedges into every single country he can (Brexit, Catalonia, etc.) so that he can conquer them.

Trump think's he's going to get a part of it as well by going along with it. Of course, Putin has absolutely no intention of doing so, but he plays to Trump's narcissism to get what he wants.

I know it's easy to deride Trump as stupid. He certainly appears to be. But it's possible that everything he's ever done, from even before the election, has come from a misguided sense of overwhelming greed.

He doesn't care about the U.S. He doesn't care about the world. He cares about himself and his offspring. (Except Tiffany for whatever reason.)

And all of the "good things" that he does for his idiotic base is to shore up his power in any way he can.

If his ends get threatened in any real way, expect him to go ballistic. And I don't mean just throwing temper tantrums.

Even if Mueller finds damning incontrovertible proof.
Even if the House votes to impeach.
Even if the Senate moves to remove him from office.
Who is going to make him leave if he does not choose to do so?

This also includes him losing in 2020, assuming that he even allows an election to take place if he doesn't think he will win.

To what extreme will he go to ensure his family's success in this endeavor?

And to what extreme will he go if he realizes that he has no chance to succeed?

/Phew
//For a minute there
///I lost myself


Donald Trump is looking at Stephen Paddock right now and thinking to himself this motherfarker was on to something.
 
2017-10-06 04:18:03 AM  
Carter is a wonderful, dusty man.
 
2017-10-06 04:25:48 AM  
My favorite Carter story:

A female college or high schooler was helping Jimmy Carter build a Habitat for Humanity home. She was having some problems talking to Carter while she was trying to drive a nail.

"This is hard to do."
"Well, hit the damn thing."
 
2017-10-06 04:29:06 AM  

FlyingBacon: Hes one of those do nothing president. Only last 4 years. If he thinks he got all the answers, why didnt he win another 4 years?


If the hostages got rescued he would have been seen as one of the greatest Presidents. The rescue attempt didn't go well, and so we got Reagan. That's how it goes.

This is why I'd take the threats Trump makes seriously. He knows that no matter how farked up his term may be, one big military score would make him a hero. He knows he could easily own the next election if he could hit the jackpot somewhere. Obviously it not going to be in the usual suspects(Syria/Iraq/Afghanistan). So where does that leave?
 
2017-10-06 04:42:49 AM  

Birnone: FlyingBacon: Hes one of those do nothing president. Only last 4 years. If he thinks he got all the answers, why didnt he win another 4 years?

If the hostages got rescued he would have been seen as one of the greatest Presidents. The rescue attempt didn't go well, and so we got Reagan. That's how it goes.

This is why I'd take the threats Trump makes seriously. He knows that no matter how farked up his term may be, one big military score would make him a hero. He knows he could easily own the next election if he could hit the jackpot somewhere. Obviously it not going to be in the usual suspects(Syria/Iraq/Afghanistan). So where does that leave?


Didn't work for George H W Bush and he was levels and levels above Trump in just about any category.
 
2017-10-06 04:45:13 AM  

Birnone: FlyingBacon: Hes one of those do nothing president. Only last 4 years. If he thinks he got all the answers, why didnt he win another 4 years?

If the hostages got rescued he would have been seen as one of the greatest Presidents. The rescue attempt didn't go well, and so we got Reagan. That's how it goes.

This is why I'd take the threats Trump makes seriously. He knows that no matter how farked up his term may be, one big military score would make him a hero. He knows he could easily own the next election if he could hit the jackpot somewhere. Obviously it not going to be in the usual suspects(Syria/Iraq/Afghanistan). So where does that leave?


Carter's administration eventually did negotiate the release of the hostages. The Iranians didn't want to renegotiate with Reagan and it was Carter who told Reagan at 8:30 AM on January 20th, 1981 that the hostages were about to be released.

Some even think Reagan told the Iranians to wait to release the hostages.

Neither of those put Regean in a good light unless you just hate Carter and need to derp.
 
2017-10-06 04:47:45 AM  

UsikFark: Carter's administration eventually did negotiate the release of the hostages. The Iranians didn't want to renegotiate with Reagan and it was Carter who told Reagan at 8:30 AM on January 20th, 1981 that the hostages were about to be released.

Some even think Reagan told the Iranians to wait to release the hostages.

Neither of those put Regean in a good light unless you just hate Carter and need to derp.


I live around a lot of people who need to derp....

*Sigh*
 
2017-10-06 04:53:45 AM  

puffy999: HedlessChickn: Brits are that stupid.


Speaking as a Brit, I am in full 51.9% agreement with this statement.
 
2017-10-06 05:01:42 AM  
All due respect to mister Carter there, that wasn't so much a message to trump or Kim Jong Un. It was a message to Nato and the State department.
 
2017-10-06 05:07:56 AM  

puffy999: HedlessChickn: Catalonia

Is that the reason now? Putin?

I can buy Brexit. Brits are that stupid. Catalonia? I'd buy SPAIN selling itself to Putin before Catalonia.


Putin doesn't want the EU broken up it's his biggest market he just wanted the UK out and isolated so he can talk with the EU about those pesky sanctions without the UK going 'non'.
That's working pretty well so far.
Trump was probably in their view going to be leading an isolationist US, but with D2S bellicose rhetoric lately that's looking rather shaky. I still believe that this part of the plan in the long run will not work out well at all for Russia.
 
2017-10-06 05:13:05 AM  

Banned on the Run: "Greatest Monster" =/= Carter =/= good president

Well meaning, good guy, ineffective administrator


As an administrator, he beats the living, bleeding shiat out of the thing that sits in the Oval Office today.
 
2017-10-06 05:17:20 AM  

Travis_Bickle: All due respect to mister Carter there, that wasn't so much a message to trump or Kim Jong Un. It was a message to Nato and the State department.


All due respect for Mr. Bickle, the only American Carter names is Tillerson. And the title says "What I Learned..." not "President Trump Should..." Why do you think this particular essay is a personal message to Trump if it doesn't include his name? He's not going to read that.
 
2017-10-06 05:17:57 AM  

biggamehickman: FlyingBacon: Hes one of those do nothing president. Only last 4 years. If he thinks he got all the answers, why didnt he win another 4 years?

Gas was expensive


Inflation was crippling, his solution for energy shortages was for us to wear sweaters and just deal with having less, he complained about the 'malaise' the country was in, he was helpless in dealing with Iran taking and holding US hostages (recall the infamous 'rescue' that turned into a rout). The country was well sick of him long before Reagan appeared on the scene and offered a way out. Carter is a nice, well-meaning man who was a disaster as president.
 
2017-10-06 05:32:29 AM  
Presidential, African Presidential
 
2017-10-06 05:40:54 AM  

Banned on the Run: "Greatest Monster" =/= Carter =/= good president

Well meaning, good guy, ineffective administrator


We didn't elect him to be a good administrator. We elected him because he was an honest man, and we needed that after the Nixon debacle.
 
2017-10-06 05:44:00 AM  

Ed Grubermann: Banned on the Run: "Greatest Monster" =/= Carter =/= good president

Well meaning, good guy, ineffective administrator

We didn't elect him to be a good administrator. We elected him because he was an honest man, and we needed that after the Nixon debacle.


Did you see him at the Panama Canal transfer?
 
2017-10-06 05:44:51 AM  
The North Koreans should know it's easy to persuade Carter to support them. All they need to do is what the Saudis did, pump in millions in Arab petrodollars into Carter's global endeavors.
 
2017-10-06 05:47:33 AM  

Hillbilly Jim: Didn't work for George H W Bush and he was levels and levels above Trump in just about any category.


The problem with Bush the Not as Bad was that the chickenhawks were not satisfied with just driving Iraq out of Kuwait and sabotaged him. They wanted the war that Bush the Lesser fought and they punished his father for not giving it to them, even though he abided by the terms of Gulf War 1.
 
2017-10-06 05:54:50 AM  
Figuring out what the other guy wants is always an important step in negotiating a solution.
 
2017-10-06 05:57:44 AM  
Last time Carter tried to help out on North Korea was 1994. It went badly.

Carter came back from his freelance meeting with Kim Il Sung waving some "peace in our time" horseshiat agreement around, Clinton was royally pissed but bit his lip and played along...and we got rolled.

Wonderful man, Carter - but a piss-poor judge of international leaders' intentions, and with a particular blind spot for dictators. 

You know that feeling you get when Dick Cheney says he's going on a hunting trip? Same thing, only with nuclear weapons.
 
2017-10-06 06:57:59 AM  

jjorsett: biggamehickman: FlyingBacon: Hes one of those do nothing president. Only last 4 years. If he thinks he got all the answers, why didnt he win another 4 years?

Gas was expensive

Inflation was crippling, his solution for energy shortages was for us to wear sweaters and just deal with having less, he complained about the 'malaise' the country was in, he was helpless in dealing with Iran taking and holding US hostages (recall the infamous 'rescue' that turned into a rout). The country was well sick of him long before Reagan appeared on the scene and offered a way out. Carter is a nice, well-meaning man who was a disaster as president.


Also, the Soviet Union reached peak strength under Carter, taking advantage of all Carter's distractions to invade Afghanistan.

I was alive back then. The Nixon/Ford/Carter years make Trump seem like the slight turbulence that the pilot apologizes for during your flight.
 
2017-10-06 07:11:46 AM  

Ed Grubermann: We didn't elect him to be a good administrator. We elected him because he was an honest man, and we needed that after the Nixon debacle.


UsikFark: Carter is a wonderful, dusty man.


jso2897: As an administrator, he beats the living, bleeding shiat out of the thing that sits in the Oval Office today.


Okay, now get the stars out of your eyes.

It's fashionable for good and wise progressives (just ask 'em) nowadays to treat Carter like the second coming of Nelson Mandela - but during Carter's term in office they were all set to toss him aside in favor of Ted Kennedy, the walking, talking, pantsless-staggering, waitress-fondling embodiment of the limousine liberal don't-you-know-who-I-AM it's-okay-when-we-do-it ethos.

Michael and Sonny were gone so they wanted Fredo, basically.
 
2017-10-06 07:46:06 AM  
Yes. Lets keep the regime with the generational prisons in power.
 
2017-10-06 07:58:29 AM  
Jimmy Carter should stick to nailing 2x4s and stay away from the keyboard, his idiocy has unsurprisingly not improved with age.
 
2017-10-06 08:00:49 AM  

Gulper Eel: Last time Carter tried to help out on North Korea was 1994. It went badly.

Carter came back from his freelance meeting with Kim Il Sung waving some "peace in our time" horseshiat agreement around, Clinton was royally pissed but bit his lip and played along...and we got rolled.

Wonderful man, Carter - but a piss-poor judge of international leaders' intentions, and with a particular blind spot for dictators. 

You know that feeling you get when Dick Cheney says he's going on a hunting trip? Same thing, only with nuclear weapons.


Exactly right.  He is like Neville Chamberlain on LSD sometimes.
 
2017-10-06 08:03:55 AM  

Gulper Eel: Ed Grubermann: We didn't elect him to be a good administrator. We elected him because he was an honest man, and we needed that after the Nixon debacle.

UsikFark: Carter is a wonderful, dusty man.

jso2897: As an administrator, he beats the living, bleeding shiat out of the thing that sits in the Oval Office today.

Okay, now get the stars out of your eyes.

It's fashionable for good and wise progressives (just ask 'em) nowadays to treat Carter like the second coming of Nelson Mandela - but during Carter's term in office they were all set to toss him aside in favor of Ted Kennedy, the walking, talking, pantsless-staggering, waitress-fondling embodiment of the limousine liberal don't-you-know-who-I-AM it's-okay-when-we-do-it ethos.

Michael and Sonny were gone so they wanted Fredo, basically.


Hah,
How many times did Ted run for POTUS?  Last time was when the public found out about the woman he killed when driving drunk, which ended his campaign.
The funnier quote from the 1980 election is related to the fact that evangelicals chose the flaky Californian actor with multiple divorces over the deeply religious, committed family man.
 
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