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(Mother Jones)   Once again, The Red Cross shows itself to be the "hopes and prayers" of hurricane disaster relief   ( motherjones.com) divider line
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2017-10-05 08:55:25 PM  
The Red Cross' anemic response to Hurricane Harvey left officials in several Texas counties seething, emails obtained by ProPublica show. In some cases, the Red Cross simply failed to show up as it promised it would.

No wonder they're pissed off; Houston's, like, the capitol of the libertarian mentality of "we don't need government, and we don't need to tax rich people, because they'll donate to charities."  When things like this happen, obviously the blame isn't on that mentality--no, that would admit defeat--but on the "incompetent" charity that was inevitably going to be insufficient to respond to the massive scale of one of the worst natural disasters of the decade.  It's sorta like raging against an AA battery when it won't start your car.
 
2017-10-05 09:28:59 PM  
More like the "Goodwill" of hurricane relief.
 
2017-10-05 09:44:13 PM  
"Global anti-poverty organization Oxfam America has made the unusual decision to step in and aid victims of Hurricane Maria in Puerto Rico, even though it's a territory of one of the wealthiest nations in the world.
"Oxfam has monitored the response in Puerto Rico closely, and we are outraged at the slow and inadequate response the US government has mounted in Puerto Rico," Oxfam America president Abby Maxman said in a statement. "Clean water, food, fuel, electricity, and health care are in desperately short supply and quickly dwindling, and we're hearing excuses and criticism from the administration instead of a cohesive and compassionate response."

Oxfam typically only provides aid to countries that are truly impoverished."

Shame on us.
 
2017-10-05 10:20:09 PM  
A significant portion of the Meals-Ready-to-Eat the charity did bring had gone bad

Damn. I didn't think MREs *went* bad.
 
2017-10-05 10:40:25 PM  

ElizaDoolittle: "Global anti-poverty organization Oxfam America has made the unusual decision to step in and aid victims of Hurricane Maria in Puerto Rico, even though it's a territory of one of the wealthiest nations in the world.
"Oxfam has monitored the response in Puerto Rico closely, and we are outraged at the slow and inadequate response the US government has mounted in Puerto Rico," Oxfam America president Abby Maxman said in a statement. "Clean water, food, fuel, electricity, and health care are in desperately short supply and quickly dwindling, and we're hearing excuses and criticism from the administration instead of a cohesive and compassionate response."

Oxfam typically only provides aid to countries that are truly impoverished."

Shame on us.


I am telling you, Trump is trying to lower the property values so he can sell it to Putin and Russia.
 
2017-10-05 11:28:28 PM  
"I hate to say this but the Red Cross is completely out of resources and have almost no road accessibility," responded Kristina Clark, an emergency management official in Harris County, which contains Houston. "The best thing I can recommend is to open something and message to your people to bring THEIR OWN food, sleeping bags, clothes, medication, etc."

Misappropriating resources and not having any resources are two different things.  Show me where they were wasteful, and I'll be outraged, but don't scapegoat volunteers who are doing their best.
 
2017-10-05 11:39:19 PM  
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/what's in a name?
 
2017-10-06 12:25:30 AM  

koder: The Red Cross' anemic response to Hurricane Harvey left officials in several Texas counties seething, emails obtained by ProPublica show. In some cases, the Red Cross simply failed to show up as it promised it would.

No wonder they're pissed off; Houston's, like, the capitol of the libertarian mentality of "we don't need government, and we don't need to tax rich people, because they'll donate to charities."  When things like this happen, obviously the blame isn't on that mentality--no, that would admit defeat--but on the "incompetent" charity that was inevitably going to be insufficient to respond to the massive scale of one of the worst natural disasters of the decade.  It's sorta like raging against an AA battery when it won't start your car.


Why did you bring race into this? Plus, I think an AA battery is perfectly capable of starting my car just as good as the Caucasian ones.
 
2017-10-06 12:28:00 AM  
I gotta send the thoughts and prayers...

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2017-10-06 12:28:54 AM  
I am hoping I (we) won't need the Red Cross or FEMA after this coming weekend.  GTFO Nate!

/NHC has my county *almost* in the bulls-eye
//This is always subject to change.
///Damn watersuckers!?
 
2017-10-06 12:29:44 AM  

soupbone: koder: The Red Cross' anemic response to Hurricane Harvey left officials in several Texas counties seething, emails obtained by ProPublica show. In some cases, the Red Cross simply failed to show up as it promised it would.

No wonder they're pissed off; Houston's, like, the capitol of the libertarian mentality of "we don't need government, and we don't need to tax rich people, because they'll donate to charities."  When things like this happen, obviously the blame isn't on that mentality--no, that would admit defeat--but on the "incompetent" charity that was inevitably going to be insufficient to respond to the massive scale of one of the worst natural disasters of the decade.  It's sorta like raging against an AA battery when it won't start your car.

Why did you bring race into this? Plus, I think an AA battery is perfectly capable of starting my car just as good as the Caucasian ones.


Yeah, but you have to go through twelve steps to get it to work.
 
2017-10-06 12:29:46 AM  
I'll just cancel my next platelet donation then.
 
2017-10-06 12:30:14 AM  

Nofun: "I hate to say this but the Red Cross is completely out of resources and have almost no road accessibility," responded Kristina Clark, an emergency management official in Harris County, which contains Houston. "The best thing I can recommend is to open something and message to your people to bring THEIR OWN food, sleeping bags, clothes, medication, etc."

Misappropriating resources and not having any resources are two different things.  Show me where they were wasteful, and I'll be outraged, but don't scapegoat volunteers who are doing their best.


After the Red Cross's screwup in Haiti, I can't blame anyone for wanting to donate to a different charity.
 
2017-10-06 12:30:35 AM  

Non Sequitur Man: [img.fark.net image 300x150]

/what's in a name?


Another dyslexic joke I see.....
 
2017-10-06 12:37:19 AM  

starsrift: Nofun: "I hate to say this but the Red Cross is completely out of resources and have almost no road accessibility," responded Kristina Clark, an emergency management official in Harris County, which contains Houston. "The best thing I can recommend is to open something and message to your people to bring THEIR OWN food, sleeping bags, clothes, medication, etc."

Misappropriating resources and not having any resources are two different things.  Show me where they were wasteful, and I'll be outraged, but don't scapegoat volunteers who are doing their best.

After the Red Cross's screwup in Haiti, I can't blame anyone for wanting to donate to a different charity.


This is why I only donate to camgirls.
 
2017-10-06 12:39:19 AM  

soupbone: koder: The Red Cross' anemic response to Hurricane Harvey left officials in several Texas counties seething, emails obtained by ProPublica show. In some cases, the Red Cross simply failed to show up as it promised it would.

No wonder they're pissed off; Houston's, like, the capitol of the libertarian mentality of "we don't need government, and we don't need to tax rich people, because they'll donate to charities."  When things like this happen, obviously the blame isn't on that mentality--no, that would admit defeat--but on the "incompetent" charity that was inevitably going to be insufficient to respond to the massive scale of one of the worst natural disasters of the decade.  It's sorta like raging against an AA battery when it won't start your car.

Why did you bring race into this? Plus, I think an AA battery is perfectly capable of starting my car just as good as the Caucasian ones.


The japanese ones are better.
 
2017-10-06 12:39:33 AM  
Well shiat! As a Christian,  I Know I'm helping.... but I don't have to lift a finger.
 
2017-10-06 12:40:17 AM  
How many times a year do we have to publish this same article that the Red Cross is worthless during large-scale disasters?

Apparently we don't publish them enough because people still give money. I've seen the dysfunction over and over again in the gulf coast region. I'm surprised the Texans didn't get the memo yet.

http://www.theadvocate.com/louisiana_flood_2016/article_59b03594-689f​-​11e6-bf38-fbc43401d8d9.html
 
2017-10-06 12:54:30 AM  
This is why we need to privatize groups like this! Government run organizations are nothing but flaming paper bags full of money. Excluding the wonderful US military of course.

Wait....what? What do you mean? The Red Cross is private? Dude, stop smoking that crap.
 
2017-10-06 01:00:56 AM  
Propublica keeps printing these articles badmouthing the Red Cross, and the Red Cross keeps providing them with verifiable documentation that the articles are incorrect. But Propublica never retracts anything. I don't consider them good journalists.
 
2017-10-06 01:02:36 AM  
Yeah, the Red Cross is also the go-to charity when it comes to putting a disaster relief prompt on a card reader.

It looks like most of the money goes to their blood products division. I'm looking at their published 2016 operating expanses and 63% is "biomedical services" and 12% is "domestic disaster services"

https://www.redcross.org/images/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m64340273_​A​nnual-Report-2016.pdf
 
2017-10-06 01:04:57 AM  

RobertGash: How many times a year do we have to publish this same article that the Red Cross is worthless during large-scale disasters?

Apparently we don't publish them enough because people still give money. I've seen the dysfunction over and over again in the gulf coast region. I'm surprised the Texans didn't get the memo yet.

http://www.theadvocate.com/louisiana_flood_2016/article_59b03594-689f-​11e6-bf38-fbc43401d8d9.html


Or Haiti for that matter.

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5801531be4b0162c043c28cd
 
2017-10-06 01:20:09 AM  

liltingbanshee: Propublica keeps printing these articles badmouthing the Red Cross, and the Red Cross keeps providing them with verifiable documentation that the articles are incorrect. But Propublica never retracts anything. I don't consider them good journalists.


They like to imply your donation is "going towards" victims of the current disaster. The truth is only a minority of your donation goes towards helping disaster victims and you (the donor) have no promise of which one. Right now, the Red Cross is suggesting on their website that you donate to help the victims of Hurricane Harvey, which ended Sept. 3. But a majority of that money is going to blood products (according to their budget).

So they should be more honest about using today's disaster to solicit donations to fund pretty much anything they spend money on. Then there won't be so many articles about how the Red Cross has done nothing for [today's disaster] and how pissed off you should be about that.
 
2017-10-06 01:21:44 AM  
 
2017-10-06 01:21:46 AM  
This from the state where 20 congressmen and senators voted against Sandy relief.  I would say fark them if decent humans weren't involved but I hope they keep their mouth shut.

But Cruz can go fark himself any time he would like.
 
2017-10-06 01:22:13 AM  

fusillade762: A significant portion of the Meals-Ready-to-Eat the charity did bring had gone bad

Damn. I didn't think MREs *went* bad.


Military MREs have an inspection date, which is typically two years after manufacturing.  If they check out, they are kept, but their normal shelf life is five years after manufacture, longer if stored in a cool place.

I only know this because I am considering buying a few cases for emergencies.  I haven't decided if they are the best choice for my needs (short term emergencies).
 
2017-10-06 01:24:02 AM  

koder: The Red Cross' anemic response to Hurricane Harvey left officials in several Texas counties seething, emails obtained by ProPublica show. In some cases, the Red Cross simply failed to show up as it promised it would.

No wonder they're pissed off; Houston's, like, the capitol of the libertarian mentality of "we don't need government, and we don't need to tax rich people, because they'll donate to charities."  When things like this happen, obviously the blame isn't on that mentality--no, that would admit defeat--but on the "incompetent" charity that was inevitably going to be insufficient to respond to the massive scale of one of the worst natural disasters of the decade.  It's sorta like raging against an AA battery when it won't start your car.


Houston is actually a liberal city and is blue, so are you talking about TX as a whole? Or the region?
 
2017-10-06 01:25:05 AM  

UsikFark: liltingbanshee: Propublica keeps printing these articles badmouthing the Red Cross, and the Red Cross keeps providing them with verifiable documentation that the articles are incorrect. But Propublica never retracts anything. I don't consider them good journalists.

They like to imply your donation is "going towards" victims of the current disaster. The truth is only a minority of your donation goes towards helping disaster victims and you (the donor) have no promise of which one. Right now, the Red Cross is suggesting on their website that you donate to help the victims of Hurricane Harvey, which ended Sept. 3. But a majority of that money is going to blood products (according to their budget).

So they should be more honest about using today's disaster to solicit donations to fund pretty much anything they spend money on. Then there won't be so many articles about how the Red Cross has done nothing for [today's disaster] and how pissed off you should be about that.


Isn't that how *all* disaster relief charities operate? I'm dead serious.
 
2017-10-06 01:26:28 AM  

fusillade762: A significant portion of the Meals-Ready-to-Eat the charity did bring had gone bad

Damn. I didn't think MREs *went* bad.


Yeah, I refuse to believe that. Hell, people still eat K rations.
 
2017-10-06 01:34:09 AM  
When our house burned, the Red Cross was there while the firefighters were still there with a gift card for us to get food and clothes, since all of that was gone, along with pre-paid reservations for a hotel room. I don't know who called them, but the lady just showed up.

Their claims that the Red Cross was nowhere to be found seems tenuous, at best.
 
2017-10-06 01:39:41 AM  

UsikFark: Yeah, the Red Cross is also the go-to charity when it comes to putting a disaster relief prompt on a card reader.

It looks like most of the money goes to their blood products division. I'm looking at their published 2016 operating expanses and 63% is "biomedical services" and 12% is "domestic disaster services"


OK but if you look at that same document, 70% of their income comes from products they sell (i.e. blood products).

https://www.redcross.org/images/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m64340273_​A​nnual-Report-2016.pdf

OK but 70% of their income comes from blood services (the only thing they sell for profit).
 
2017-10-06 01:43:07 AM  

Spermbot: UsikFark: liltingbanshee: Propublica keeps printing these articles badmouthing the Red Cross, and the Red Cross keeps providing them with verifiable documentation that the articles are incorrect. But Propublica never retracts anything. I don't consider them good journalists.

They like to imply your donation is "going towards" victims of the current disaster. The truth is only a minority of your donation goes towards helping disaster victims and you (the donor) have no promise of which one. Right now, the Red Cross is suggesting on their website that you donate to help the victims of Hurricane Harvey, which ended Sept. 3. But a majority of that money is going to blood products (according to their budget).

So they should be more honest about using today's disaster to solicit donations to fund pretty much anything they spend money on. Then there won't be so many articles about how the Red Cross has done nothing for [today's disaster] and how pissed off you should be about that.

Isn't that how *all* disaster relief charities operate? I'm dead serious.


I suppose, but I guess the occasional bad press isn't as bad for donations as saying "Only a small fraction of donations to the Red Cross will go to disaster relief and only a fraction of that will go to [specific disaster area] and it might not get there this year" when they ask for money. Donations are only about 20% of their income, anyways... most of it comes from "products and services".

Related: I know that people line up to donate blood during/after a disaster. I also know that blood has to be screened and processed so it's not exactly going out today. I donate blood regularly and I never expect my pint to go to a specific cause, I figure it's "first in, first out" and the old product gets used first. However, it's not like the blood centers around here tell people the blood is going to a specific disaster, AFAIK, unless they're putting up a "the blood supply is critically low" notice which isn't the same as saying "The American Red Cross is using donor dollars right now to provide shelter, food, comfort and emergency support for individuals and families affected by [Hurricane Whatever]".
 
2017-10-06 01:51:59 AM  

liltingbanshee: UsikFark: Yeah, the Red Cross is also the go-to charity when it comes to putting a disaster relief prompt on a card reader.

It looks like most of the money goes to their blood products division. I'm looking at their published 2016 operating expanses and 63% is "biomedical services" and 12% is "domestic disaster services"

OK but if you look at that same document, 70% of their income comes from products they sell (i.e. blood products).

https://www.redcross.org/images/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m64340273_A​nnual-Report-2016.pdf

OK but 70% of their income comes from blood services (the only thing they sell for profit).


That's fine with me but they portray themselves as a disaster relief organization who's collecting donations for [today's disaster]. Only if you know what you and I know right now do you understand that "Help people affected by disasters big and small" probably means "mostly providing blood products and some disaster relief, plus other stuff we don't talk about so much."
 
2017-10-06 01:52:28 AM  

koder: Houston's, like, the capitol of the libertarian mentality of "we don't need government, and we don't need to tax rich people, because they'll donate to charities."


Houston just elected an openly gay mayor, for three terms in a row.

It's an extremely blue city in a red state.

How about we stop with the ignorant stereotyping?
 
2017-10-06 02:03:16 AM  

UsikFark: liltingbanshee: UsikFark: Yeah, the Red Cross is also the go-to charity when it comes to putting a disaster relief prompt on a card reader.

It looks like most of the money goes to their blood products division. I'm looking at their published 2016 operating expanses and 63% is "biomedical services" and 12% is "domestic disaster services"

OK but if you look at that same document, 70% of their income comes from products they sell (i.e. blood products).

https://www.redcross.org/images/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m64340273_A​nnual-Report-2016.pdf

OK but 70% of their income comes from blood services (the only thing they sell for profit).

That's fine with me but they portray themselves as a disaster relief organization who's collecting donations for [today's disaster]. Only if you know what you and I know right now do you understand that "Help people affected by disasters big and small" probably means "mostly providing blood products and some disaster relief, plus other stuff we don't talk about so much."


They do seem to do a pretty good job on helping with the small, localized stuff.

However, when the larger scale disasters happen, they have repeatedly dropped the ball.

I can tell you that after Katrina, people were a hell of a lot more impressed with the Salvation Army's ability to be on the ground and immediately making sure everyone had food and water.

If you decide to donate to a charity to help the people in Puerto Rico, you kind of want to know that money won't be spent on something else entirely.
 
2017-10-06 02:34:43 AM  

fusillade762: A significant portion of the Meals-Ready-to-Eat the charity did bring had gone bad

Damn. I didn't think MREs *went* bad.


yes, they have a shelf life. dry packed sealed foods can be purchased which have a 25 year life span.
 
2017-10-06 02:45:46 AM  

liltingbanshee: This is what they did in Haiti: http://www.redcross.org/about-us/our-work/international-services/haiti​-assistance-program#Our-Work


Well, no. This is what they did in Haiti.

Millions donated, why haven't more Haitians been helped?
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2017-10-06 03:03:11 AM  
Somehow, I blame vampires.
 
2017-10-06 03:20:55 AM  

koder: No wonder they're pissed off; Houston's, like, the capitol of the libertarian mentality of "we don't need government, and we don't need to tax rich people, because they'll donate to charities." When things like this happen, obviously the blame isn't on that mentality--no, that would admit defeat--but on the "incompetent" charity that was inevitably going to be insufficient to respond to the massive scale of one of the worst natural disasters of the decade. It's sorta like raging against an AA battery when it won't start your car.


Houston.  The biggest blue city in the South.  Really.  The one that cheerfully elected an openly lesbian mayor for three full terms.  Really.
 
2017-10-06 03:47:50 AM  
I wish we could go back to church charities, when you had to swear allegiance to Jesus Christ before receiving food or a pair of shoes.
 
2017-10-06 04:39:57 AM  
Diverting money and blood to the American Red Cross when it could be used for local relief is the second disaster that follows the storm. I can't believe they weren't selling water did $6 a bottle.  The service has really gone downhill since the new CEO cut the salary to less than $1,000,000 a year.
 
2017-10-06 05:18:22 AM  

NEDM: Houston.  The biggest blue city in the South.  Really.  The one that cheerfully elected an openly lesbian mayor for three full terms.  Really.


And then followed up with a straight, black Harvard Law male.
 
2017-10-06 05:29:50 AM  
A civilian would think that EVERY MRE had gone bad, what, just because the M&Ms had turned hard? If you are military, there ain't no such a damn thing.
 
2017-10-06 06:02:25 AM  

RINO: fusillade762: A significant portion of the Meals-Ready-to-Eat the charity did bring had gone bad

Damn. I didn't think MREs *went* bad.

Yeah, I refuse to believe that. Hell, people still eat K rations.


I don't think they're talking about the military type "MREs" I'm thinking it's more like some package of food filled with things that don't require heating or refrigeration.  But not packed for years out expiration.  That's just the impression I got, could be wrong.
 
2017-10-06 06:17:04 AM  
Shouldn't disaster relief be the job of a government and charities are only needed when the government in question is impoverished.

Shouldn't the wealthiest country in the world be able to solve its own problems that happened in such a small part of it?
 
2017-10-06 06:57:24 AM  
There were comments regarding the red Cross having supplies and not distributing them on Facebook

I don't know anyone who evacuated there so I can't speak to it's veracity

They did bring some meals to my hotel, but my wife's friends have brought more
 
2017-10-06 06:59:48 AM  

koder: The Red Cross' anemic response to Hurricane Harvey left officials in several Texas counties seething, emails obtained by ProPublica show. In some cases, the Red Cross simply failed to show up as it promised it would.

No wonder they're pissed off; Houston's, like, the capitol of the libertarian mentality of "we don't need government, and we don't need to tax rich people, because they'll donate to charities."  When things like this happen, obviously the blame isn't on that mentality--no, that would admit defeat--but on the "incompetent" charity that was inevitably going to be insufficient to respond to the massive scale of one of the worst natural disasters of the decade.  It's sorta like raging against an AA battery when it won't start your car.


fark off

Because you're talking out your damn ass

You're quite welcome to drive yourself down here and look at what happened, or I don't know, farking help
 
2017-10-06 07:00:55 AM  

ElizaDoolittle: "Global anti-poverty organization Oxfam America has made the unusual decision to step in and aid victims of Hurricane Maria in Puerto Rico, even though it's a territory of one of the wealthiest nations in the world.
"Oxfam has monitored the response in Puerto Rico closely, and we are outraged at the slow and inadequate response the US government has mounted in Puerto Rico," Oxfam America president Abby Maxman said in a statement. "Clean water, food, fuel, electricity, and health care are in desperately short supply and quickly dwindling, and we're hearing excuses and criticism from the administration instead of a cohesive and compassionate response."

Oxfam typically only provides aid to countries that are truly impoverished."

Shame on us.


The fact that this shiat has to happen pisses me off

But this is a country where a farking turd that was born with a gilded spoon in it's mouth is President
 
2017-10-06 07:02:04 AM  

MSBFDffpm: I am hoping I (we) won't need the Red Cross or FEMA after this coming weekend.  GTFO Nate!

/NHC has my county *almost* in the bulls-eye
//This is always subject to change.
///Damn watersuckers!?


Yeah, we don't need a third damn storm to hit the gulf coast

I just got the doors back on my house
 
2017-10-06 07:02:50 AM  

liltingbanshee: Propublica keeps printing these articles badmouthing the Red Cross, and the Red Cross keeps providing them with verifiable documentation that the articles are incorrect. But Propublica never retracts anything. I don't consider them good journalists.


So you got citations?
 
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