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(Anand Tech)   Seagate shipping 12TB helium-filled hard drives, with emphasis on consumer market, almost large enough for subby's pr0n collection   ( anandtech.com) divider line
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2017-10-05 06:23:19 PM  
9 votes:
I have all my movies on a 10TB hard drive. That boggles me sometimes... I remember being so impressed when 3.5" floppy disks came into existence.
2017-10-05 09:36:22 PM  
4 votes:

Mister Peejay: gaslight: So they finally caught up with Western Digital. Why is this news?

Seagate drives don't blow goats?


My experience is the exact opposite
2017-10-05 09:27:34 PM  
3 votes:

gaslight: So they finally caught up with Western Digital. Why is this news?


Seagate drives don't blow goats?
2017-10-05 07:42:01 PM  
3 votes:

revrendjim: styckx: revrendjim: What is the purpose of the helium? Reduced air drag?

Exactly this..

Drives don't last any longer or shorter.. Same risks and shortcomings as any other mechanical drive

Then why not a vacuum? The enclosure is sealed anyway.


The drive heads use the ambient gas to float above the disk surface. In a vacuum they would just lie on the disk and damage the surface.
2017-10-05 07:21:58 PM  
3 votes:
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2017-10-05 06:20:03 PM  
3 votes:

vpb: Meh:

http://newatlas.com/western-digital-hgst-14tb-enterprise-hs14-hdd/5164​1/


gaslight: So they finally caught up with Western Digital. Why is this news?


because..

MrPoopyPants: $430/12TB=$35.83/TB

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ZAZ [TotalFark]
2017-10-05 05:03:59 PM  
3 votes:
How long does the helium last? I was in school in the CRT era and it was advised not to store your helium in the same room as a CRT because gas would migrate into the vacuum inside. Helium molecules (which are helium atoms) are tiny.
2017-10-06 12:59:00 PM  
2 votes:

casual disregard: likefunbutnot: rka: 7200

These drives probably spin at 54 - 5800, actually. These are the SMR "shingled" drive heads that are meant for data archiving needs rather than the traditional magnetic heads that you'd find in the high capacity enterprise product lines.

SMR drives behave oddly, but for light access needs like a pool for storing all your porn or movies, they work just fine once you've given one 24 - 36 hours to fill up. Surprisingly, they do work acceptably in disk arrays, which is something that isn't necessarily true of some of the more modest capacity "Green" or "Eco"-type drives.

Also, Seagate will probably offer them vastly cheaper in External drives. Probably $299 or something.

Note too that 12TB is within spitting distance of the mathematical limit for having a hard read error for a single drive all by itself. You don't wanna use drives that big for a traditional RAID5 without adding some kind of extra parity checking.

Hrm, interesting.

Let's say I am working with a subset of a specific kind of information - I can have exactly one hard copy if one exists, and exactly one digital copy. If I want to ensure data integrity of the digital copy, how can I ensure there will never be hard drive failure without making additional copies? Assume I'm a complete cyber nub with zero education.


Hard drives ... always fail. I don't understand the question.
rka
2017-10-05 09:52:19 PM  
2 votes:

NateAsbestos: Mister Peejay: gaslight: So they finally caught up with Western Digital. Why is this news?

Seagate drives don't blow goats?

My experience is the exact opposite


I've worked in the storage industry my entire career. We had a LARGE customer with our storage array. A whole 9 drive enclosure! 72GB drives! Cutting edge stuff back in the day. But they had 1000 of those enclosures.

At one point Seagate drive failures were so bad they threatened to make us replace all 9000 drives.
rka
2017-10-05 07:46:11 PM  
2 votes:

bonobo73: revrendjim: What is the purpose of the helium? Reduced air drag?

Platters spin at 100,000 rpm.  No oxygen, so the spindle doesn't catch fire.


7200
2017-10-05 06:38:37 PM  
2 votes:

revrendjim: What is the purpose of the helium? Reduced air drag?


Exactly this..

Drives don't last any longer or shorter.. Same risks and shortcomings as any other mechanical drive
2017-10-05 08:15:27 PM  
1 vote:

rka: 7200


These drives probably spin at 54 - 5800, actually. These are the SMR "shingled" drive heads that are meant for data archiving needs rather than the traditional magnetic heads that you'd find in the high capacity enterprise product lines.

SMR drives behave oddly, but for light access needs like a pool for storing all your porn or movies, they work just fine once you've given one 24 - 36 hours to fill up. Surprisingly, they do work acceptably in disk arrays, which is something that isn't necessarily true of some of the more modest capacity "Green" or "Eco"-type drives.

Also, Seagate will probably offer them vastly cheaper in External drives. Probably $299 or something.

Note too that 12TB is within spitting distance of the mathematical limit for having a hard read error for a single drive all by itself. You don't wanna use drives that big for a traditional RAID5 without adding some kind of extra parity checking.
2017-10-05 07:15:57 PM  
1 vote:

revrendjim: styckx: revrendjim: What is the purpose of the helium? Reduced air drag?

Exactly this..

Drives don't last any longer or shorter.. Same risks and shortcomings as any other mechanical drive

Then why not a vacuum? The enclosure is sealed anyway.


With a vacuum, the air will leak IN...by putting helium in there, it will decrease the rate.
2017-10-05 05:54:08 PM  
1 vote:
So they finally caught up with Western Digital. Why is this news?
2017-10-05 05:36:26 PM  
1 vote:
$430/12TB=$35.83/TB

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vpb [TotalFark]
2017-10-05 04:36:28 PM  
1 vote:
 
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