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(CityLab)   America's latest urban transportation boondoggle: streetcars. You will be unsurprised to learn that Detroit is Case Study #1   ( citylab.com) divider line
    More: Fail, Bus, streetcar, New York City, Salt Lake City, brand-new downtown streetcar, successful streetcar network, Tram, two-mile streetcar cost  
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2017-10-05 08:23:46 PM  
5 votes:
Sooooo...

First, Detroit destroys the streetcars to sell busses...

Nowthey want the street cars back...

OK, this could have been a valid use of the ironic tab.
2017-10-05 04:57:17 PM  
4 votes:
This is the sixth budget cycle in a row in which the city of Milwaukee has reduced the budget for police, firefighters, and EMTs, but they somehow found money for a streetcar.
2017-10-05 06:35:47 PM  
2 votes:

groppet: The one here in DC was sitting in a rail yard for years and they installed it and have been testing it for a while. I think it is being used now but it really doesn't go anywhere. But they have been talking about expanding it, seems busses would be cheaper though.


The one in Portland seems to do better than busses because it's easy for occasional users to know where it goes.
2017-10-06 02:11:31 AM  
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Vaginosilicosis: davidphogan: End to end?  South Waterfront to NW 23rd?  3.5 miles in 35 to 40 minutes, walking, through downtown Portland and the Pearl?  Or do you mean across town, like Joe Rose did where he walked through the center of the loop?

Yes, walking through the center of a circle is faster than going around the circle.

The original line ran from PSU Urban Center to NW 23rd and Marshall and was 2 1/4 miles,  its not in a circle unless you count the return line not being on the same street.   The same destination walking is only about 1.5 miles.   The street car took 35-45 minutes end to end depending on traffic and lights, a person walking PSU to NW 23rd could do it in 20 min,  walking casually.

On the stretch from PSU to the Burnside where the damn thing stopped every 5 feet you could walk the same route, no shortcuts, and beat the train to Burnside by 5 minutes.

The MAX is fine, for the 2% of people that live right near a station and work at another station, but the streetcar was a bad joke that they have decided to continue building out.


I lived near the NW 23rd stop when the SoWa extension opened.  It was about 20-25 minutes to go 2.25 miles back then.  Since then, they've opened the SoWa portion, the East Side, and the Bridge.

I use the MAX occasionally, also.  Apparently I'm part of the 2% of people in the seven county region you're referring to that lives near it.  Since it only goes to three of those counties (that's why it's run by TRImet) do you want to use actual numbers instead of comparing apples to tacos?
2017-10-06 01:35:50 AM  
1 vote:
Why in the name of God for anybody Build a Streetcar line that was just 1.3 miles long?

Street cars have their uses. They can be pretty good in Toronto. We have a reasonably extensive line system that intersects several subway stations and bus lines.

They are also a pain in the ass. Where are the bus pulls over and guys can go pass them, the streetcar stop in the center lane and oblige everyone else on the street to stop as well. But, they are cheaper to run and carry a lot more people. Probably not as fast as the buses, but efficient in their own way.
2017-10-06 12:55:20 AM  
1 vote:

Vaginosilicosis: davidphogan: groppet: The one here in DC was sitting in a rail yard for years and they installed it and have been testing it for a while. I think it is being used now but it really doesn't go anywhere. But they have been talking about expanding it, seems busses would be cheaper though.

The one in Portland seems to do better than busses because it's easy for occasional users to know where it goes.

You can beat the Portland street car from end to end by walking, and you don't have to hustle either,  that thing is a joke.   I dearly hope they haven't added to that line or put in others, its a rolling road block.


End to end?  South Waterfront to NW 23rd?  3.5 miles in 35 to 40 minutes, walking, through downtown Portland and the Pearl?  Or do you mean across town, like Joe Rose did where he walked through the center of the loop?

Yes, walking through the center of a circle is faster than going around the circle.
2017-10-05 09:27:01 PM  
1 vote:
Street cars are expensive because no one builds them. If you want to do a small district circuit, just get a few tram busses like they use to move people from parking to theme park gates.
2017-10-05 07:53:37 PM  
1 vote:
They seem to be doing well in Toronto
2017-10-05 07:25:53 PM  
1 vote:
So the streetcar has to actually go to places people want to go? Color me shocked!
 
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