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2017-10-05 04:34:07 PM  
Lots of slavery in the Bible, so what's the big deal?
 
2017-10-05 04:49:00 PM  
HE IS RISEN it is a miracle don't MAKE me use the whip.

/said with the proper cadence/accent.
 
2017-10-05 05:14:01 PM  
Other than the CAAIR taking their pay, I don't really see anything wrong with this.
 
2017-10-05 05:15:08 PM  
Is this a great country, or what?  We lock up more people than anyone for a reason, you know.
 
2017-10-05 05:16:53 PM  

fly_gal: Other than the CAAIR taking their pay, I don't really see anything wrong with this


If anyone can hire them, that's fair.  But something tells me I can't just order up a work gang for lawn duty.  There's....  complications.  What we used to call 'grease'.
 
2017-10-05 05:21:36 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: fly_gal: Other than the CAAIR taking their pay, I don't really see anything wrong with this

If anyone can hire them, that's fair.  But something tells me I can't just order up a work gang for lawn duty.  There's....  complications.  What we used to call 'grease'.


ah.  what happened to the good ol' "chain gang" days?
 
2017-10-05 05:33:20 PM  
Exactly the kind of thing I expect to see from Christian companies that take over public-sector services.  Religion is so protected and esteemed, they can get away with just about anything.
 
2017-10-05 05:34:55 PM  

fly_gal: Other than the CAAIR taking their pay, I don't really see anything wrong with this.


Soooo... you see nothing wrong with working people to exhaustion, in dangerous jobs, with no Workers' Compensation and the insurance plan is to send them back to prison if they get hurt?

<clicks profile>

Oh.  Canada.  You have no concept of what this is.  For you, medical care and humane treatment are a given.  Not so much in Christian America, where religious organizations are assumed to be beyond reproach.  No matter how corrupt.
 
2017-10-05 05:55:17 PM  
For those who actually want to RTFA, not the stupid Cliff's Notes version subby saddled us with:
https://www.revealnews.org/article/they-thought-they-were-going-to-re​h​ab-they-ended-up-in-chicken-plants/
 
2017-10-05 05:56:22 PM  
img.fark.net

Amateurs. Jim Jones did the "rehab as back-breaking work" back the late 60s and 70s in Northern California.
 
2017-10-05 05:56:22 PM  
rehab diversion?

you'renothelping.jpg
 
2017-10-05 05:56:30 PM  
Jesus.

I biatch about AA being less effective than cold turkey and being a stealth cult-style recruitment tool for Evangelical christianity, but these guys put that shiat in perspective.  This is almost scientology-level shiat.
 
2017-10-05 06:01:36 PM  

Jim_Callahan: Jesus.

I biatch about AA being less effective than cold turkey and being a stealth cult-style recruitment tool for Evangelical christianity, but these guys put that shiat in perspective.  This is almost scientology-level shiat.


yep, string the farkers up.
 
2017-10-05 06:01:49 PM  
Are there no workhouses?
 
2017-10-05 06:02:13 PM  
FTFA: Christian Alcoholics & Addicts in Recovery is a "diversion program" where drug addicts convicted of crimes can be sent...

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2017-10-05 06:03:04 PM  

SPARC Pile: [img.fark.net image 185x273]

Amateurs. Jim Jones did the "rehab as back-breaking work" back the late 60s and 70s in Northern California.


To be fair, though, when you just straight-up go and murder your entire workforce, that is a poor economic plan.
 
2017-10-05 06:03:09 PM  
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You should see the Nursing Home...
 
2017-10-05 06:04:24 PM  
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2017-10-05 06:04:39 PM  
From the ACTUAL article:
Brandon Spurgin was working in the chicken plants one night in 2014 when a metal door crashed down on his head, damaging his spine and leaving him with chronic pain, according to medical records. CAAIR filed for workers' compensation on his behalf and took the $4,500 in insurance payments. Spurgin said he got nothing.

Janet Wilkerson acknowledged that's standard practice.

"That's fraudulent behavior," said Eddie Walker, a former judge with the Arkansas Workers' Compensation Commission. He said workers' comp payments are required to go to the injured worker. "What's being done is clearly inappropriate."

Wow... I have no words. The owner of the company admits that ripping off Worker's Comp is "standard practice". Talk about farking balls...
 
2017-10-05 06:04:48 PM  
The Religion of Piecework®?
 
2017-10-05 06:05:14 PM  

Jim_Callahan: Jesus.

I biatch about AA being less effective than cold turkey and being a stealth cult-style recruitment tool for Evangelical christianity, but these guys put that shiat in perspective.  This is almost scientology-level shiat.


AA is the epitome of 'Scientology-level shiat'.  Pure and absolute pseudo science garbage.  It's no coincidence they parallel each other across the board.

I'll wait for the AA anecdotes to come prove me wrong.
 
2017-10-05 06:05:38 PM  

Jim_Callahan: Jesus.

I biatch about AA being less effective than cold turkey


  - if by "cold turkey" you mean "trying to quit on your own", that's not my experience.  I only got to 3 weeks dry at a time on my own over a span of 6 months trying.

and being a stealth cult-style recruitment tool for Evangelical christianity,

  - At my home group's last "Group Conscience" meeting, about half of us were biatching about the 1 or 2 guys who just *have* to tell you all about their Higher Power, "Lord Jesus, my Savior!".  Biatch was all we could do because by AA's "rules", we can't kick anybody out.


but these guys put that shiat in perspective.  This is almost scientology-level shiat.

 - A-farking-greed.
 
2017-10-05 06:07:07 PM  

tjfly: FTFA: Christian Alcoholics & Addicts in Recovery is a "diversion program" where drug addicts convicted of crimes can be sent...

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Internet poster tjfly was sent to a religious work camp to avoid jail time for a copyright infringement violation.

imokwiththis.jpg (he deserves the country he wants)
 
2017-10-05 06:07:44 PM  

tjfly: FTFA: Christian Alcoholics & Addicts in Recovery is a "diversion program" where drug addicts convicted of crimes can be sent...

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Either you're a shiat human being, or that's the only sentence you read.

A: Addiction counseling takes a back seat to work.
B: They get paid nothing for working.
C: They work full time.
D: If they get injured, they're told to sack up or go to prison.
E: The "program" still submits claims to Worker's Comp for injuries, but they get no care.
F: Not all people sent to the program are actually convicted.
 
2017-10-05 06:07:52 PM  

Jim_Callahan: Jesus.

I biatch about AA being less effective than cold turkey and being a stealth cult-style recruitment tool for Evangelical christianity, but these guys put that shiat in perspective.  This is almost scientology-level shiat.


It's basically the Scientology's Sea Org. Though that one you're brainwashed into doing the work before becoming forced labor. Here you're already a prisoner, promised that you will be rehabbed in order to make your life better after prison and instead forced into labor and brainwashing instead of the rehab you were promised. Just like Scientology, when you learn it's true nature, you're imprisoned if you rebel or get hurt on the job making you useless as an asset on being forced labor for them.
 
2017-10-05 06:12:06 PM  

tjfly: FTFA: Christian Alcoholics & Addicts in Recovery is a "diversion program" where drug addicts convicted of crimes can be sent...

[i0.kym-cdn.com image 600x339]


read the damn article. In some cases the guys sent to these horrible chicken-processing plants were not drug addicts, or even convicted.

If they got injured (which was often) they didn't receive proper medical care. The CAAIR folks filed workmen's comp claims and kept any money received. One poor schmuck wasn't a drug addict when he went into the program but he turned into one after his hand was crushed and they didn't give him adequate medical care. Yay now he's addicted to pain pills.
 
2017-10-05 06:12:11 PM  
The for-profit prison industry is backdoor slavery.
 
2017-10-05 06:12:15 PM  

IRQ12: AA is the epitome of 'Scientology-level shiat'.


Well, your second statement about "pseudo science garbage" is certainly debatable, by I can't let that first one slide.

AA doesn't make you join.

AA doesn't make you leave.

AA doesn't make you pay anything.

AA doesn't even insist that you follow their program.  If you keep showing up to meetings and keep saying you're an AA, then you are - even if you aren't doing any else that's suggested.  Now *individual* AA members might put some pressure on you to get a sponsor, read the book, follow the steps, etc, but that's on them.
 
2017-10-05 06:14:44 PM  

SansNeural: IRQ12: AA is the epitome of 'Scientology-level shiat'.

Well, your second statement about "pseudo science garbage" is certainly debatable, by I can't let that first one slide.

AA doesn't make you join.

AA doesn't make you leave.

AA doesn't make you pay anything.

AA doesn't even insist that you follow their program.  If you keep showing up to meetings and keep saying you're an AA, then you are - even if you aren't doing any else that's suggested.  Now *individual* AA members might put some pressure on you to get a sponsor, read the book, follow the steps, etc, but that's on them.


Well they do hide all the religious bullshiat when you first show up, tell you not to worry about it and then suddenly start pressuring you to accept Jesus. At least that was my experience.
 
2017-10-05 06:14:44 PM  
Still better than Scientology's SeaOrg.
 
2017-10-05 06:15:25 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: Exactly the kind of thing I expect to see from Christian companies that take over public-sector services.  Religion is so protected and esteemed, they can get away with just about anything.


Never trust a "Christian" business. They WILL cheat you. I will no longer do business with them. Too many unpaid or underpaid gigs.
 
2017-10-05 06:15:45 PM  

Egalitarian: tjfly: FTFA: Christian Alcoholics & Addicts in Recovery is a "diversion program" where drug addicts convicted of crimes can be sent...

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read the damn article. In some cases the guys sent to these horrible chicken-processing plants were not drug addicts, or even convicted.

If they got injured (which was often) they didn't receive proper medical care. The CAAIR folks filed workmen's comp claims and kept any money received. One poor schmuck wasn't a drug addict when he went into the program but he turned into one after his hand was crushed and they didn't give him adequate medical care. Yay now he's addicted to pain pills.


Oh, don't forget, the guy who got his hand crushed and is now addicted to pain pills was accused of being "lazy" and having injured himself on purpose because he couldn't work with a crushed hand.
 
2017-10-05 06:15:48 PM  

tjfly: FTFA: Christian Alcoholics & Addicts in Recovery is a "diversion program" where drug addicts convicted of crimes can be sent...

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Optimal:
Church - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - State

This:
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2017-10-05 06:16:08 PM  
I have no issues with community service as punishment. I have issues with corporations profiting from forced free labor.
 
2017-10-05 06:16:11 PM  

onomatopoeon: SPARC Pile: [img.fark.net image 185x273]

Amateurs. Jim Jones did the "rehab as back-breaking work" back the late 60s and 70s in Northern California.

To be fair, though, when you just straight-up go and murder your entire workforce, that is a poor economic plan.


It does a great job of avoiding pensions and severance pay though.
 
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2017-10-05 06:16:13 PM  
I'm sorry that some of you have had very negative experiences with AA.

It's right there in the literature that opens each meeting, AA is not for everyone.

If you have a problem with drugs or alcohol, or have a friend and family member who does, I hope that you/they will find something that works.
 
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2017-10-05 06:17:35 PM  

insertsnarkyusername: Well they do hide all the religious bullshiat when you first show up, tell you not to worry about it and then suddenly start pressuring you to accept Jesus. At least that was my experience.


That sucks, that should not have been.  I do not think that a soul in my home group practices any religion.
 
2017-10-05 06:20:19 PM  
Mention Christianity and even though it is being used by people who do not represent the basics of the faith all the self righteous smug idiots come out of the woodwork to add their opinion...problem is that it's nothing more than a cookie cutter point of view shared by a group of drones trying to convince the other drones they are unique.  My head would explode if I ever saw one intelligent and original comment on fark.
 
2017-10-05 06:22:16 PM  

SewerRatOps: Mention Christianity and even though it is being used by people who do not represent the basics of the faith all the self righteous smug idiots come out of the woodwork to add their opinion...problem is that it's nothing more than a cookie cutter point of view shared by a group of drones trying to convince the other drones they are unique.  My head would explode if I ever saw one intelligent and original comment on fark.


You sound triggered.

And like you suffer from poor reading comprehension.

And possibly like you run this program.
 
2017-10-05 06:22:46 PM  

tjfly: FTFA: Christian Alcoholics & Addicts in Recovery is a "diversion program" where drug addicts convicted of crimes can be sent...

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You sound like you'd love to live in Saudi Arabia.
 
2017-10-05 06:23:12 PM  
Serious question for Americans; is there a single part of your society that doesn't have some corrupt person abusing people and using it to rake in cash?
 
2017-10-05 06:24:28 PM  

insertsnarkyusername: SansNeural: IRQ12: AA is the epitome of 'Scientology-level shiat'.

Well, your second statement about "pseudo science garbage" is certainly debatable, by I can't let that first one slide.

AA doesn't make you join.

AA doesn't make you leave.

AA doesn't make you pay anything.

AA doesn't even insist that you follow their program.  If you keep showing up to meetings and keep saying you're an AA, then you are - even if you aren't doing any else that's suggested.  Now *individual* AA members might put some pressure on you to get a sponsor, read the book, follow the steps, etc, but that's on them.

Well they do hide all the religious bullshiat when you first show up, tell you not to worry about it and then suddenly start pressuring you to accept Jesus. At least that was my experience.


The groups vary quite a bit, but the founders were insistent on that "Higher Power" stuff and their backgrounds were overwhelmingly Christian.  In the early days of AA, one of their founding members was atheist and railed at Bill W about all that God crap.  He (and others) are the reason some of the official language was toned down to "God, as we understood him" and "Higher Power".

There are secular, agnostic/atheist 12 step groups that basically follow all the 12 steps and 12 traditions but with references to God/Higher Power changed to try to point a similar psychological effect without the damned sky monster.  I'd attend those, but the nearest is over an hour drive from me.
 
2017-10-05 06:24:41 PM  
"They slaughter and process chickens for some of America's largest retailers and restaurants, including Walmart, KFC and Popeyes Louisiana Kitchen. They also make pet food for PetSmart and Rachael Ray's Nutrish brand."

I can't say I'm really a frequent customer at these places, but I'll gladly give up my few trips to KFC each year.
 
2017-10-05 06:24:58 PM  

Mock26: Still better than Scientology's SeaOrg.


I sea what you org'd there.
 
2017-10-05 06:25:19 PM  

tjfly: drug addicts convicted of crimes


Drug addiction is in reality a health problem, not a legal problem.
 
2017-10-05 06:25:20 PM  

DOCTORD000M: Serious question for Americans; is there a single part of your society that doesn't have some corrupt person abusing people and using it to rake in cash?


Serious question for you; is your country somehow magically corruption-free?

Second serious question; where's the wormhole to your magical land of un-reality?
 
2017-10-05 06:28:22 PM  

fly_gal: Other than the CAAIR taking their pay, I don't really see anything wrong with this.


Wait a minute. You mean you're okay with the following?

(Per TFA)
- Addicts (and BTW, drug addiction is a medical problem, not a crime IMHO) are worked seven days a week on threat of being incarcerated; it's basically indentured servitude. Not even prisons treat convicts like this.
Instead of receiving drug addiction treatment and therapy, CAAIR only provides addicts in their program with "thoughts and prayers" and the idea that recovery is only achieved through hard labor, an antiquated concept first put into practice by Christians, and is where we get the word "Penitentiary" from, as it was believed the only way to "cure" addicts and convicted criminals was through penitent service.
- If they are injured or suffer a permanent disability on the job, they do not receive worker's compensation or SSI Disability like other employees do.
- Addicts in the program receive no pay, unlike prison inmates who at least receive some sort of monetary compensation.
- CAAIR profits from this scam, collecting the well-below-minimum wages paid by companies who employ these addicts, a win-win for both CAAIR and the employers
- Neither CAAIR nor the employers are required to pay anything towards social security, taxes, medicaid, disability, etc.
- The work is grueling and dangerous and lacking OSHA oversight or any other legal representation to ensure their safety on the job.

I would like to think that you approve of this cruel program simply because you failed to RTFA. Or maybe you're just an asshole.
 
2017-10-05 06:28:48 PM  

DOCTORD000M: Serious question for Americans; is there a single part of your society that doesn't have some corrupt person abusing people and using it to rake in cash?


Has Canada stopped exploiting foreign workers? Rob Ford your last corrupt official? First Nations people all getting a fair deal?
 
2017-10-05 06:28:55 PM  

limeyfellow: onomatopoeon: SPARC Pile: [img.fark.net image 185x273]

Amateurs. Jim Jones did the "rehab as back-breaking work" back the late 60s and 70s in Northern California.

To be fair, though, when you just straight-up go and murder your entire workforce, that is a poor economic plan.

It does a great job of avoiding pensions and severance pay though.


Even when there is an actual "severance", they just send your hand to the processing plant and send you back to prison.
 
2017-10-05 06:29:05 PM  

SansNeural: Well, your second statement about "pseudo science garbage" is certainly debatable


No, it's not debatable.  Nor has it proven to have an efficacy better than going cold turkey.  Sorry it offends you as you found it works for you but Scientology probably works for others, moon rocks may help others  too.

And you may ask, "well why do you care?", because all day every day people are forced into AA based rehab programs to avoid jail time or from family and AA forces people to believe that if AA isn't working it is because they are doing it wrong.  And some studies have said that this all or nothing approach may make things worse in the long run.  Yes,we all see the caveats the members like to give all over the internet but at it's core it is a psuedo scientific religious group with not a shred of proof that there is any efficacy beyond *anything* else.

As a foot note when people refuse to take in alternative views/facts to their belief in a system, well I will let you draw your conclusions on that.

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/04/the-irrationalit​y​-of-alcoholics-anonymous/386255/
 
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