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(AutoBlog)   Have you ever said, 'I wish I could find a Rolls-Royce knockoff with the style of a Toyota, including cheesy cloth seats'? Well, today is your lucky day   ( autoblog.com) divider line
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2017-10-05 02:15:15 PM  
I am by no means an automotive / mechanical / engineering / [other] expert, but 280hp out of a V12 up to 2016? That sounds... laughably underwhelming, right? What the hell is the point? Shiat, my 2013 Sonata's 4-banger puts out 274hp; am I just missing something here?
 
2017-10-05 02:36:35 PM  
Toyoya Century is a nice car.

Wouldn't call it a Rolls knockoff. It's designed for Japanese executives and government officials to look relatively inconspicuous and modest from the outside (you don't want to stick out too much in Japan, not even as ceo of a major company) but still very comfortable inside.

When I lived in Japan I rode one almost daily for my work (well I didn't drive, we had a driver), very comfortable ride.
 
2017-10-05 02:49:40 PM  
I think these things are awesome, and I am glad Toyota is sticking to it's roots. It is definitely not for American consumption though.
 
2017-10-05 05:53:07 PM  
design treading somewhere near recent Rolls-Royces and classic Lincoln Continentals

But can if fit six girlies?
 
2017-10-05 07:10:16 PM  
This looks like something my grandparents would have found fancy 30 years ago.
 
2017-10-05 07:13:39 PM  

That Guy What Stole the Bacon: I am by no means an automotive / mechanical / engineering / [other] expert, but 280hp out of a V12 up to 2016? That sounds... laughably underwhelming, right? What the hell is the point? Shiat, my 2013 Sonata's 4-banger puts out 274hp; am I just missing something here?


There was a gentleman's agreement among Japanese car manufacturers not to produce cars that have over 276 HP.

My guess is that since this is such a traditional car, they have stuck to that tradition, even they though stopped following that agreement a long time ago.
 
2017-10-05 07:14:14 PM  

That Guy What Stole the Bacon: I am by no means an automotive / mechanical / engineering / [other] expert, but 280hp out of a V12 up to 2016? That sounds... laughably underwhelming, right? What the hell is the point? Shiat, my 2013 Sonata's 4-banger puts out 274hp; am I just missing something here?


The engine was rated back in the 90's when the horsepower cap was still in play.  The figure was probably just never updated because it wasn't a car that was being bought on it's performance specs.
 
2017-10-05 07:15:32 PM  

Glitchwerks: That Guy What Stole the Bacon: I am by no means an automotive / mechanical / engineering / [other] expert, but 280hp out of a V12 up to 2016? That sounds... laughably underwhelming, right? What the hell is the point? Shiat, my 2013 Sonata's 4-banger puts out 274hp; am I just missing something here?

There was a gentleman's agreement among Japanese car manufacturers not to produce cars that have over 276 HP.

My guess is that since this is such a traditional car, they have stuck to that tradition, even they though stopped following that agreement a long time ago.


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2017-10-05 07:17:54 PM  

That Guy What Stole the Bacon: I am by no means an automotive / mechanical / engineering / [other] expert, but 280hp out of a V12 up to 2016? That sounds... laughably underwhelming, right? What the hell is the point? Shiat, my 2013 Sonata's 4-banger puts out 274hp; am I just missing something here?


There's a weird gentleman's agreement among Japanese automakers that they not report any car having more than 276 horsepower for their domestic market.
 
2017-10-05 07:45:57 PM  

Glitchwerks: That Guy What Stole the Bacon: I am by no means an automotive / mechanical / engineering / [other] expert, but 280hp out of a V12 up to 2016? That sounds... laughably underwhelming, right? What the hell is the point? Shiat, my 2013 Sonata's 4-banger puts out 274hp; am I just missing something here?

There was a gentleman's agreement among Japanese car manufacturers not to produce cars that have over 276 HP.

My guess is that since this is such a traditional car, they have stuck to that tradition, even they though stopped following that agreement a long time ago.


They never actually adhered to it in the first place, though. They just put out false HP numbers.

That's the problem with this car. It seems to have been designed by Japanese people for the Japanese market, and they have wildly different taste in cars than we do. These big luxury Toyotas may appeal old Japanese men who want a high class vehicle and still think the kokusan (Japanese-made) label means something, but I can't imagine many Americans going out and buying one.
 
2017-10-05 08:12:22 PM  
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2017-10-05 08:22:58 PM  

bikkurikun: Toyoya Century is a nice car.

Wouldn't call it a Rolls knockoff. It's designed for Japanese executives and government officials to look relatively inconspicuous and modest from the outside (you don't want to stick out too much in Japan, not even as ceo of a major company) but still very comfortable inside.

When I lived in Japan I rode one almost daily for my work (well I didn't drive, we had a driver), very comfortable ride.


I kinda like it actually, I can see the appeal of subtlety.
 
2017-10-05 08:23:36 PM  

Likwit: Glitchwerks: That Guy What Stole the Bacon: I am by no means an automotive / mechanical / engineering / [other] expert, but 280hp out of a V12 up to 2016? That sounds... laughably underwhelming, right? What the hell is the point? Shiat, my 2013 Sonata's 4-banger puts out 274hp; am I just missing something here?

There was a gentleman's agreement among Japanese car manufacturers not to produce cars that have over 276 HP.

My guess is that since this is such a traditional car, they have stuck to that tradition, even they though stopped following that agreement a long time ago.

They never actually adhered to it in the first place, though. They just put out false HP numbers.

That's the problem with this car. It seems to have been designed by Japanese people for the Japanese market, and they have wildly different taste in cars than we do. These big luxury Toyotas may appeal old Japanese men who want a high class vehicle and still think the kokusan (Japanese-made) label means something, but I can't imagine many Americans going out and buying one.


well, its only going to be sold in the japanease market (its only ever been sold there) so that should be fairly logical.

I like that they use wool seats rather then leather because leather seats might make a fart like noise when rubbed against and thus would be embarrassing.
 
2017-10-05 08:30:57 PM  

tlchwi02: Likwit: Glitchwerks: That Guy What Stole the Bacon: I am by no means an automotive / mechanical / engineering / [other] expert, but 280hp out of a V12 up to 2016? That sounds... laughably underwhelming, right? What the hell is the point? Shiat, my 2013 Sonata's 4-banger puts out 274hp; am I just missing something here?

There was a gentleman's agreement among Japanese car manufacturers not to produce cars that have over 276 HP.

My guess is that since this is such a traditional car, they have stuck to that tradition, even they though stopped following that agreement a long time ago.

They never actually adhered to it in the first place, though. They just put out false HP numbers.

That's the problem with this car. It seems to have been designed by Japanese people for the Japanese market, and they have wildly different taste in cars than we do. These big luxury Toyotas may appeal old Japanese men who want a high class vehicle and still think the kokusan (Japanese-made) label means something, but I can't imagine many Americans going out and buying one.

well, its only going to be sold in the japanease market (its only ever been sold there) so that should be fairly logical.

I like that they use wool seats rather then leather because leather seats might make a fart like noise when rubbed against and thus would be embarrassing.


I suppose I should pay more attention to TFA :/
 
2017-10-05 09:02:19 PM  

That Guy What Stole the Bacon: I am by no means an automotive / mechanical / engineering / [other] expert, but 280hp out of a V12 up to 2016? That sounds... laughably underwhelming, right? What the hell is the point? Shiat, my 2013 Sonata's 4-banger puts out 274hp; am I just missing something here?


There is a gentleman's agreement in Japan to not make more than 276/280hp.  (Sort of like how all American high performance cars in the 1960s made "425" horsepower, or how all German cars that aren't Porsche are speed limited to 250km/h)  This is where you see things like, for instance, Toyota Supras or Mitsubishi 3000GTs making over 300hp in the USA but 276hp in Japan.  And sometimes it's the exact same everything, just different numbers on the sales brochure.  For Mazda Cosmos that made a genuine 276hp but the computer started cutting boost early so that they were only making 4psi by redline, so the power curve was a flat 276 from here to eternity.  Or Nissan Skylines that genuinely did make 276hp, and there were marks on certain vacuum hoses where you needed to remove restrictor pills to make the 400hp that the engine was actually engineered for.

/trivia:  In the DaimlerChrysler era, the Mercedes execs drove Chrysler 300s because they weren't German, and therefore weren't limited to 155mph.  You could do 170mph in a Hemi 300 but the E-class it was based on was limited to 155)
/more trivia:  Pontiac also deliberately detuned a bunch of their 455ci Firebirds for insurance reasons, there was a little tab that kept the carburetor from opening all the way,  Which was easily fixed with a pair of pliers.
 
2017-10-05 09:02:21 PM  

Likwit: tlchwi02: Likwit: Glitchwerks: That Guy What Stole the Bacon: I am by no means an automotive / mechanical / engineering / [other] expert, but 280hp out of a V12 up to 2016? That sounds... laughably underwhelming, right? What the hell is the point? Shiat, my 2013 Sonata's 4-banger puts out 274hp; am I just missing something here?

There was a gentleman's agreement among Japanese car manufacturers not to produce cars that have over 276 HP.

My guess is that since this is such a traditional car, they have stuck to that tradition, even they though stopped following that agreement a long time ago.

They never actually adhered to it in the first place, though. They just put out false HP numbers.

That's the problem with this car. It seems to have been designed by Japanese people for the Japanese market, and they have wildly different taste in cars than we do. These big luxury Toyotas may appeal old Japanese men who want a high class vehicle and still think the kokusan (Japanese-made) label means something, but I can't imagine many Americans going out and buying one.

well, its only going to be sold in the japanease market (its only ever been sold there) so that should be fairly logical.

I like that they use wool seats rather then leather because leather seats might make a fart like noise when rubbed against and thus would be embarrassing.

I suppose I should pay more attention to TFA :/


apparently it uses the LS 600h powertrain, so it should in reality have 394 hp engine and put out somewhere around 440-450 total hp. still, its tuned to be as quiet and smooth as possible, because its going for the rolls royce type 'luxury means silence' and not 'flashy sporty luxury' style. i would assume that the owner would never be driving a car like this anyway, so comfort is the primary goal
 
2017-10-05 09:05:38 PM  

bikkurikun: Toyoya Century is a nice car.

Wouldn't call it a Rolls knockoff. It's designed for Japanese executives and government officials to look relatively inconspicuous and modest from the outside (you don't want to stick out too much in Japan, not even as ceo of a major company) but still very comfortable inside.

When I lived in Japan I rode one almost daily for my work (well I didn't drive, we had a driver), very comfortable ride.


This, Subby's an idiot, etc.

The Century is the car that says you're a rich important mofo who is refined enough to not be all flashy about it.  Which is kind of flash in and of itself.  Sort of the difference between being driven in a Bristol and being driven in a Bentley on 26" spinners.

/more trivia:  The Century was the first car in the world with rear-seat airbags
 
2017-10-05 09:08:17 PM  

Mindlock: That Guy What Stole the Bacon: I am by no means an automotive / mechanical / engineering / [other] expert, but 280hp out of a V12 up to 2016? That sounds... laughably underwhelming, right? What the hell is the point? Shiat, my 2013 Sonata's 4-banger puts out 274hp; am I just missing something here?

The engine was rated back in the 90's when the horsepower cap was still in play.  The figure was probably just never updated because it wasn't a car that was being bought on it's performance specs.


For decades, Rolls-Royce listed a given car's engine's horsepower as "Sufficient".

That always amused me.  Actual numbers are so agricultural.
 
2017-10-05 09:15:38 PM  
Likwit:
That's the problem with this car. It seems to have been designed by Japanese people for the Japanese market, and they have wildly different taste in cars than we do. These big luxury Toyotas may appeal old Japanese men who want a high class vehicle and still think the kokusan (Japanese-made) label means something, but I can't imagine many Americans going out and buying one.

Toyota has sold enough Lexus LS-series cars, which looked like "nothing" on wheels, to suggest that Americans may have a taste for understated refinement.

The LS-series is what made Mercedes-Benz crap their collective pants.  It's interesting, you could actually see the LS effect if you watched the Mercedes lineup.  Before, say, 1991-1992, Mercedes were very boring, conservatively engineered cars.  They were more or less forever cars.  After the Japanese manufacturers started making S-classes at a third the cost, they stopped doing automatic annual price increases, and started adding a lot of "features".  Adding content while reducing price means you have to cheap out, and the 1990s was when Mercedes stopped being forever cars and started being cars you lease for three years and then turn in before something expensive breaks.

There's a damn good reason why Mercedes seem to have a 90% depreciation over five years,
 
2017-10-05 09:41:02 PM  
The Toyota Century is the kind of object that could only have come from the culture in which it was created. It has cloth seats because leather is too loud, and you wouldn't want to annoy the other passengers by squeaking every time to shift your weight. It has lace curtains instead of tinted windows, because tinted windows are too gangsta. It doesn't sell on conspicuous consumption: "the Century is acquired through persistent work, the kind that is done in a plain but formal suit." I'd get a kick out of owning one, and I could pretty easily import a 15 year old example here in Canada; here's one for sale right now for just over $6,000. The only impediments would be servicing for anything that broke, and the fact that I'm not rich enough to have my own chauffeur so I wouldn't be able to appreciate the opulent back seat.
 
2017-10-05 10:08:45 PM  
Still a damn slight better than the G-Wiz.
 
2017-10-05 10:15:26 PM  
Leather is also pretty shiatty.  Cloth seats are much nicer to actually have to live with.  Granted, neither has the pure bliss of *velour*, but i think that particular gem never managed to cross either ocean.

/seriously, wtf is with leather.  it's cold in the winter, it's hot in the summer, and it cracks before the car's paid off
/has a car with leather seats.  it farking sucks.  next car will also have leather seats, because Volvo for some stupid-ass reason didn't make any of their good cars with cloth interior
 
2017-10-05 11:13:50 PM  

Mister Peejay: Leather is also pretty shiatty.  Cloth seats are much nicer to actually have to live with.  Granted, neither has the pure bliss of *velour*, but i think that particular gem never managed to cross either ocean.

/seriously, wtf is with leather.  it's cold in the winter, it's hot in the summer, and it cracks before the car's paid off
/has a car with leather seats.  it farking sucks.  next car will also have leather seats, because Volvo for some stupid-ass reason didn't make any of their good cars with cloth interior


leather is easy to clean
 
2017-10-05 11:31:01 PM  
Looks more like a Bentley to me.  More of a 'town car' than a house in the country.
 
2017-10-06 01:00:49 AM  

Mister Peejay: Leather is also pretty shiatty.  Cloth seats are much nicer to actually have to live with.  Granted, neither has the pure bliss of *velour*, but i think that particular gem never managed to cross either ocean.

/seriously, wtf is with leather.  it's cold in the winter, it's hot in the summer, and it cracks before the car's paid off
/has a car with leather seats.  it farking sucks.  next car will also have leather seats, because Volvo for some stupid-ass reason didn't make any of their good cars with cloth interior


Came here to say all of that, but the thing that leather has (or at least traditionally had) over cloth was durability. If you kept leather treated, it would wear remarkably well. Higher end cars had that, and stupid people took it as a sign of luxury, so now leather is a thing, Give me cloth any day, I don't want to smell anyone else's farts.
 
2017-10-06 01:16:57 AM  

Mister Peejay: Leather is also pretty shiatty.  Cloth seats are much nicer to actually have to live with.  Granted, neither has the pure bliss of *velour*, but i think that particular gem never managed to cross either ocean.

/seriously, wtf is with leather.  it's cold in the winter, it's hot in the summer, and it cracks before the car's paid off
/has a car with leather seats.  it farking sucks.  next car will also have leather seats, because Volvo for some stupid-ass reason didn't make any of their good cars with cloth interior


The thing with leather seats these days is everybody cheaps out with it, even guys like Rolls Royce.  Nobody spends a few extra bucks to get the high-end Corinthian stuff anymore.
 
2017-10-06 03:35:56 AM  

Mindlock: Mister Peejay: Leather is also pretty shiatty.  Cloth seats are much nicer to actually have to live with.  Granted, neither has the pure bliss of *velour*, but i think that particular gem never managed to cross either ocean.

/seriously, wtf is with leather.  it's cold in the winter, it's hot in the summer, and it cracks before the car's paid off
/has a car with leather seats.  it farking sucks.  next car will also have leather seats, because Volvo for some stupid-ass reason didn't make any of their good cars with cloth interior

The thing with leather seats these days is everybody cheaps out with it, even guys like Rolls Royce.  Nobody spends a few extra bucks to get the high-end Corinthian stuff anymore.


From another article today, cheesy cloth seats are actually wool
 
2017-10-06 08:56:01 AM  
Mister Peejay
I have new XC90 R-Design with suede seats...
 
2017-10-06 10:18:51 AM  
It looks more like an Cadillac knock off to me.
 
2017-10-06 07:35:23 PM  

chrisco123: Mister Peejay
I have new XC90 R-Design with suede seats...


I'm shopping S60Rs because they're pretty mental and they depreciated like rocks.  And in true Volvo fashion, they have a towing capacity large enough that I can tug one of my Mazdas around if I so desired.  But the seats apparently came in two options: black leather, and brown leather.

Admittedly the brown leather looks really catchy, sort of like the blue Subaru STi seats but less boy-racer.  But dang it, what is wrong with cloth?

The dashboard on my employer's CTS4 is stitched cloth.  It'd be nice if they made the seats out of that material.
 
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