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2017-10-05 12:47:08 PM  
I just re-read this book recently so I'm getting a kick...

Given the current state of our democracy maybe Mr. (Lt. Col. -ret) DuBois had some solid points.
 
2017-10-05 01:07:42 PM  
And showcase fantastic breasts.
 
2017-10-05 01:09:29 PM  
encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com
/meme storm ahead...
 
2017-10-05 01:14:02 PM  
img.fark.net
 
2017-10-05 01:23:34 PM  
As a huge fan of the book, the movie pissed me off something fierce, and I could never appreciate it for what it was.I think it would have been much better had they just changed the character and location names and called it something else.
 
2017-10-05 01:26:44 PM  

ox45tallboy: As a huge fan of the book, the movie pissed me off something fierce, and I could never appreciate it for what it was.I think it would have been much better had they just changed the character and location names and called it something else.


As someone who came to the book after the movie, I love both.
 
2017-10-05 01:31:23 PM  
The movie is better than the book.

The book is not a smart as it thinks it is.

And it is certainly not as smart as its legions of fanboys claim it is.

The movie at least acknowledges this and makes it a joke.
 
2017-10-05 01:33:01 PM  

Rocketboy1313: The movie is better than the book.

The book is not a smart as it thinks it is.


...But neither is the movie.
 
2017-10-05 01:34:28 PM  

This text is now purple: Rocketboy1313: The movie is better than the book.

The book is not a smart as it thinks it is.

...But neither is the movie.


So are you just going to ignore the second half of my post?
"And it is certainly not as smart as its legions of fanboys claim it is.

The movie at least acknowledges this and makes it a joke."
 
2017-10-05 01:37:11 PM  
I love both the book AND the movie, for different reasons.
 
2017-10-05 01:39:07 PM  
What I couldn't figure out was why Rico had to be submerged in a water tank to heal his leg wound.
 
2017-10-05 01:40:51 PM  

Rocketboy1313: This text is now purple: Rocketboy1313: The movie is better than the book.

The book is not a smart as it thinks it is.

...But neither is the movie.

So are you just going to ignore the second half of my post?
"And it is certainly not as smart as its legions of fanboys claim it is.

The movie at least acknowledges this and makes it a joke."


Would you like to know more?
 
2017-10-05 01:41:05 PM  
There were certain things I liked about the movie, but on the whole it wasn't that great.
 
2017-10-05 01:41:10 PM  

Strongbeerrules: What I couldn't figure out was why Rico had to be submerged in a water tank to heal his leg wound.


It's a Bacta tank.  Duh.

Satire doesn't have to get all the incidental details right.
 
2017-10-05 01:44:02 PM  

Strongbeerrules: What I couldn't figure out was why Rico had to be submerged in a water tank to heal his leg wound.


It's got electrolytes.
 
2017-10-05 01:47:05 PM  

BeesNuts: ox45tallboy: As a huge fan of the book, the movie pissed me off something fierce, and I could never appreciate it for what it was.I think it would have been much better had they just changed the character and location names and called it something else.

As someone who came to the book after the movie, I love both.


Hey, that's all good. I'm not trying to demean the movie, I'm just saying that it doesn't tell the same story as the book, and might have benefited from not trying to shoehorn the book's characters into the story it wanted to tell.
 
2017-10-05 01:50:09 PM  
And you got to shower with the girls...
 
2017-10-05 01:50:24 PM  
Starship Troopers: Service Guarantees Citizenship
Trump's America: GTFO Pedro!
 
2017-10-05 01:50:37 PM  
img.fark.net
/You guys are slippin' here
 
2017-10-05 01:50:45 PM  
I love this movie.  It is like a Rorschach test to identify people who are physically incapable of detecting satire.
 
2017-10-05 02:06:17 PM  
Who ya got?
Team Dina
img.fark.net
or Team Denise?

img.fark.net
 
2017-10-05 02:07:01 PM  

Rocketboy1313: This text is now purple: Rocketboy1313: The movie is better than the book.

The book is not a smart as it thinks it is.

...But neither is the movie.

So are you just going to ignore the second half of my post?
"And it is certainly not as smart as its legions of fanboys claim it is.

The movie at least acknowledges this and makes it a joke."


I realize the movie acknowledges the joke. That doesn't, on its own, make the joke funny. It's good in places, but overall, it's a poor movie. The leads are terrible and it's really unclear where Verhoeven spent all his money, because much of it is missing from what's onscreen.

RoboCop makes a lot of the same jokes, and is the much better movie.
 
2017-10-05 02:07:17 PM  

21-37-42: Who ya got?
Team Dina
[img.fark.net image 271x186]
or Team Denise?

[img.fark.net image 289x174]


Dina all the way.  What a lovely, lovely woman.
 
2017-10-05 02:07:58 PM  

Strongbeerrules: What I couldn't figure out was why Rico had to be submerged in a water tank to heal his leg wound.


Because he's infantry.  The med techs were playing a prank and he was too stupid to ask any questions.

On the other side, there was a sign, "HE FELL FOR IT!  DON'T LET ON!"
 
2017-10-05 02:09:37 PM  
A search for Starship Troopers Memes yielded the following results:
img.fark.net
img.fark.net

img.fark.net

And also:

img.fark.net
 
2017-10-05 02:09:43 PM  

real_headhoncho: [encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com image 298x169]
/meme storm ahead...


img.fark.net
 
2017-10-05 02:10:04 PM  

21-37-42: Who ya got?
Team Dina
[img.fark.net image 271x186]
or Team Denise?

[img.fark.net image 289x174]


I have always been team Dina:

pbs.twimg.com
 
2017-10-05 02:14:00 PM  

21-37-42: Who ya got?
Team Dina
[img.fark.net image 271x186]
or Team Denise?

[img.fark.net image 289x174]


Team Why Not Both
 
2017-10-05 02:17:23 PM  

skyotter: 21-37-42: Who ya got?
Team Dina
[img.fark.net image 271x186]
or Team Denise?

[img.fark.net image 289x174]

Team Why Not Both


Because Denise was with Charlie Sheen (so, ewww!!) plus Denise looks like a high-maintenance woman.

Dina, on the other hand... DANG!!!
 
2017-10-05 02:17:56 PM  

21-37-42: Who ya got?
Team Dina
[img.fark.net image 271x186]
or Team Denise?

[img.fark.net image 289x174]


Always Team Dina. Too bad she violated the one cardinal rule of movies like this: Never hook up with your life long crush as it's a sure death sentence within the next few scenes
 
2017-10-05 02:20:18 PM  
Saw this years ago before I saw the Live Action movie.  I enjoy the movie for the satire but still have rage over the tactics used by the humans.

Starship Troopers Anime (English) Part 1 of 6
Youtube XIZty-Eol4s
 
2017-10-05 02:20:37 PM  

karmaceutical: I love this movie.  It is like a Rorschach test to identify people who are physically incapable of detecting satire.


The problem I have with Starship Troopers as satire is this.

The Arachnids...are DICKS.  They've had seven movies and an animated TV series to subvert this somehow.  They've chosen not to.  Those goddamn things are dicks, through and through, who'll gleefully eviscerate you if you glance in their general direction.
 
2017-10-05 02:26:42 PM  

21-37-42: Who ya got?
Team Dina
[img.fark.net image 271x186]
or Team Denise?

[img.fark.net image 289x174]


I've made my choice.
img.fark.net
 
2017-10-05 02:28:06 PM  
It's amazing how people at the time didn't realize it was satire. The 4th sequel, Starship Troopers: Traitor of Mars is out now with the voices of some the original cast.

Also:
Starship Troopers - re:View
Youtube OkEdyq3UE5M
 
2017-10-05 02:29:19 PM  

karmaceutical: I love this movie.  It is like a Rorschach test to identify people who are physically incapable of detecting satire.


Chris Morris & Stewart Lee - What is Satire?
Youtube 304Kj8t8hUs
 
2017-10-05 02:31:47 PM  

PartTimeBuddha: Strongbeerrules: What I couldn't figure out was why Rico had to be submerged in a water tank to heal his leg wound.

It's got electrolytes.


Rico was a plant?  Well that would explain the blank expression throughout the movie.
 
2017-10-05 02:38:50 PM  
I like both the book and movie. What I hate is people turning every story into a social economical political commentary and judgement of our current blah blah blah shut the fark up and enjoy the giant bugs getting shot. Not everything needs to have some deep inner meaning.
 
2017-10-05 02:47:22 PM  

Lothar IB: I like both the book and movie. What I hate is people turning every story into a social economical political commentary and judgement of our current blah blah blah shut the fark up and enjoy the giant bugs getting shot. Not everything needs to have some deep inner meaning.


Sometimes social economical political commentary is just social economical political commentary
 
2017-10-05 02:51:29 PM  

Rocketboy1313: The movie is better than the book.

The book is not a smart as it thinks it is.

And it is certainly not as smart as its legions of fanboys claim it is.

The movie at least acknowledges this and makes it a joke.



Verhoeven isn't smart or subtle enough to make a satire.
He just made (another) shiatty movie.
 
2017-10-05 02:57:07 PM  

Clutch2013: They've had seven movies and an animated TV series to subvert this somehow.


7 movies, I was only aware of 5, now I have to hunt down 2 others.

Need to get the anime and the Tv show on DVD/Blu Ray while I am at it.
 
2017-10-05 02:58:42 PM  

give me doughnuts: Rocketboy1313: The movie is better than the book.

The book is not a smart as it thinks it is.

And it is certainly not as smart as its legions of fanboys claim it is.

The movie at least acknowledges this and makes it a joke.


Verhoeven isn't smart or subtle enough to make a satire.
He just made (another) shiatty movie.


Do you shave with that edge?
 
2017-10-05 02:59:35 PM  

Flappyhead: give me doughnuts: Rocketboy1313: The movie is better than the book.

The book is not a smart as it thinks it is.

And it is certainly not as smart as its legions of fanboys claim it is.

The movie at least acknowledges this and makes it a joke.


Verhoeven isn't smart or subtle enough to make a satire.
He just made (another) shiatty movie.

Do you shave with that edge?


No, it's just a very blunt truth.
 
2017-10-05 03:00:14 PM  

ox45tallboy: BeesNuts: ox45tallboy: As a huge fan of the book, the movie pissed me off something fierce, and I could never appreciate it for what it was.I think it would have been much better had they just changed the character and location names and called it something else.

As someone who came to the book after the movie, I love both.

Hey, that's all good. I'm not trying to demean the movie, I'm just saying that it doesn't tell the same story as the book, and might have benefited from not trying to shoehorn the book's characters into the story it wanted to tell.


I hear ya.  Didn't mean to come off as defensive.  I was just sharing my experience with the media, riffing off of you doing the same.  I'm not even sure I disagree that the movie didn't need to be "Starship Troopers".  I'll have to think on that one.  Heck, it could have been a warhammer 40k movie and had exactly the same plot and tone.  Call it "Imperial Guard".
 
2017-10-05 03:01:42 PM  

real_headhoncho: [img.fark.net image 850x566]


Were they?
the did not seem to care about Race, or Gender, or ability.
It was more what can you do. and what are you willing to risk. so much closer to a meritocracy.
 
KIA
2017-10-05 03:02:29 PM  

21-37-42: Who ya got?
Team Dina
[img.fark.net image 271x186]
or Team Denise?

[img.fark.net image 289x174]


Dina. Never a moment's hesitation. I'd walk over hot coals to have the pleasure of one dinner with her.
 
2017-10-05 03:04:20 PM  

ox45tallboy: As a huge fan of the book, the movie pissed me off something fierce, and I could never appreciate it for what it was.I think it would have been much better had they just changed the character and location names and called it something else.


I propose "A movie with gender neutral communal shower scenes!"
 
2017-10-05 03:05:48 PM  

21-37-42: Who ya got?
Team Dina
[img.fark.net image 271x186]
or Team Denise?

[img.fark.net image 289x174]


I vote for Team Threesome.
 
2017-10-05 03:10:55 PM  

Shazam999: 21-37-42: Who ya got?
Team Dina
[img.fark.net image 271x186]
or Team Denise?

[img.fark.net image 289x174]

I vote for Team Threesome.


imagemacros.files.wordpress.com
 
2017-10-05 03:12:51 PM  

Shazam999: ox45tallboy: As a huge fan of the book, the movie pissed me off something fierce, and I could never appreciate it for what it was.I think it would have been much better had they just changed the character and location names and called it something else.

I propose "A movie with gender neutral communal shower scenes!"


There's nothing wrong with that.
 
2017-10-05 03:16:40 PM  

TOY Moose: Saw this years ago before I saw the Live Action movie.  I enjoy the movie for the satire but still have rage over the tactics used by the humans.

[YouTube video]


I prefer Blue Gender for my Starship Trooper anime.

/yes, yes, I know the bugs in Blue Gender are just Mother Earth being pissed with humans
//still prefer it
 
2017-10-05 03:24:41 PM  

espiaboricua: A search for Starship Troopers Memes yielded the following results:
[img.fark.net image 479x280]
[img.fark.net image 775x496]

[img.fark.net image 599x466]

And also:

[img.fark.net image 742x626]


You got the original of that?

/oblig
//still funny
 
2017-10-05 03:26:44 PM  
espiaboricua:
[img.fark.net image 599x466]

Do you have the original of that?

I love the movie as much as the next person, but it seems like at least once a month we have one of these articles pointing out that it is actually satire.
 
2017-10-05 03:27:47 PM  

ox45tallboy: Shazam999: ox45tallboy: As a huge fan of the book, the movie pissed me off something fierce, and I could never appreciate it for what it was.I think it would have been much better had they just changed the character and location names and called it something else.

I propose "A movie with gender neutral communal shower scenes!"

There's nothing wrong with that.


It would've made the movie into a giant box office hit.
 
2017-10-05 03:29:25 PM  

give me doughnuts: Flappyhead: give me doughnuts: Rocketboy1313: The movie is better than the book.

The book is not a smart as it thinks it is.

And it is certainly not as smart as its legions of fanboys claim it is.

The movie at least acknowledges this and makes it a joke.


Verhoeven isn't smart or subtle enough to make a satire.
He just made (another) shiatty movie.

Do you shave with that edge?

No, it's just a very blunt truth.


I disagree strenuously, but that is a solid ass comeback. Gotta respect that.

/hats off
 
2017-10-05 03:46:21 PM  

ColSanders: espiaboricua:
[img.fark.net image 599x466]

Do you have the original of that?


As a matter of fact, I do: Thou Shall Click Hereof (NSFW obviously).
 
2017-10-05 03:47:02 PM  

give me doughnuts: Flappyhead: give me doughnuts: Rocketboy1313: The movie is better than the book.

The book is not a smart as it thinks it is.

And it is certainly not as smart as its legions of fanboys claim it is.

The movie at least acknowledges this and makes it a joke.


Verhoeven isn't smart or subtle enough to make a satire.
He just made (another) shiatty movie.

Do you shave with that edge?

No, it's just a very blunt truth.


I doubt shaving with blunt object will work for you after puberty
 
2017-10-05 03:48:04 PM  

espiaboricua: ColSanders: espiaboricua:
[img.fark.net image 599x466]

Do you have the original of that?

As a matter of fact, I do: Thou Shall Click Hereof (NSFW obviously).


Let's try that again: Thou Shall Click Hereof (NSFW Rules Apply).
 
2017-10-05 03:50:30 PM  

give me doughnuts: Shazam999: 21-37-42: Who ya got?
Team Dina
[img.fark.net image 271x186]
or Team Denise?

[img.fark.net image 289x174]

I vote for Team Threesome.

[imagemacros.files.wordpress.com image 600x450]


That I will agree with.
 
2017-10-05 03:50:55 PM  

espiaboricua: ColSanders: espiaboricua:
[img.fark.net image 599x466]

Do you have the original of that?

As a matter of fact, I do: Thou Shall Click Hereof (NSFW obviously).


Listened to the end
i.dailymail.co.uk
 
2017-10-05 04:10:44 PM  

skyotter: 21-37-42: Who ya got?
Team Dina
[img.fark.net image 271x186]
or Team Denise?

[img.fark.net image 289x174]

Team Why Not Both

img.fark.net
 
2017-10-05 04:10:56 PM  

LewDux: give me doughnuts: Flappyhead: give me doughnuts: Rocketboy1313: The movie is better than the book.

The book is not a smart as it thinks it is.

And it is certainly not as smart as its legions of fanboys claim it is.

The movie at least acknowledges this and makes it a joke.


Verhoeven isn't smart or subtle enough to make a satire.
He just made (another) shiatty movie.

Do you shave with that edge?

No, it's just a very blunt truth.

I doubt shaving with blunt object will work for you after puberty



That's it?


Lame.
 
2017-10-05 04:25:53 PM  

Rocketboy1313: T
The book is not a smart as it thinks it is.


I keep seeing people arguing that the book is fascist, ignorant, or otherwise stupid.  Maybe I'm a bit simple, but I am a fan of it and don't agree.  I mean the book espouses almost a meritocracy, but really just the idea that if you're not willing to have some skin in the game, you shouldn't have a ton of say in how things run.  That's basically it.  They go so far as to state that the only reason they use "service = citizenship" is because that was the system in place when they finally squared away how to govern effectively, not because veterans are somehow inherently better/smarter/more talented.

It all seems very reasonable to me.
 
2017-10-05 04:38:14 PM  

brokendownyota: I keep seeing people arguing that the book is fascist, ignorant, or otherwise stupid.  Maybe I'm a bit simple, but I am a fan of it and don't agree.  I mean the book espouses almost a meritocracy, but really just the idea that if you're not willing to have some skin in the game, you shouldn't have a ton of say in how things run.  That's basically it.  They go so far as to state that the only reason they use "service = citizenship" is because that was the system in place when they finally squared away how to govern effectively, not because veterans are somehow inherently better/smarter/more talented.

It all seems very reasonable to me.


I am more criticizing the teacher and student conversations.  Having Rico poorly argue a case while the teacher continues to build on certain assertions makes it all feel very strawman-y.

If you boil down everything in the book to, "I would require public service before allowing someone to vote or hold office" with some micro points illustrated in the story then it would be fine.  But, having literal lectures that (at least once) misuses an economics term, makes me crinkle my nose at the whole thing.  It is not a book that confronts a world view and tests the resolve of the character, it is a book that just illustrates a world view and does not challenge it.
 
2017-10-05 04:38:54 PM  

brokendownyota: Rocketboy1313: T
The book is not a smart as it thinks it is.

I keep seeing people arguing that the book is fascist, ignorant, or otherwise stupid.  Maybe I'm a bit simple, but I am a fan of it and don't agree.  I mean the book espouses almost a meritocracy, but really just the idea that if you're not willing to have some skin in the game, you shouldn't have a ton of say in how things run.  That's basically it.  They go so far as to state that the only reason they use "service = citizenship" is because that was the system in place when they finally squared away how to govern effectively, not because veterans are somehow inherently better/smarter/more talented.

It all seems very reasonable to me.


The book started out with the MI nuking cities that belonged to the Skinnies to discourage them from entering the war on the side of the arachnids. Johnny was afraid of and couldn't talk to girls. Heinlein brings Johnny's father back in at the end when he should have been dead. These are three really obvious reasons how ST is juvenile fiction.

The book just isn't that good. It appeals to teenage boys for the same reason Ayn Rand does. Most men grow out of that phase. I feel the same way about Enders Game.
 
2017-10-05 04:44:42 PM  
CSB mode ON:

I was 14 when the movie came out.  A friend called my house to see if I wanted to go catch it.  It was a school night, so I figured my folks wouldn't go for it.  My dad, upon hearing what movie it was, insisted I go.

/Had no idea why he was so enthusiastic about me seeing it
//He'd read the book as required reading at the War College, wasn't familiar with the movie
///Still enjoyed sweet, sweet bewbies on a school night, though
 
2017-10-05 04:51:57 PM  

madgonad: brokendownyota: Rocketboy1313: T
The book is not a smart as it thinks it is.

I keep seeing people arguing that the book is fascist, ignorant, or otherwise stupid.  Maybe I'm a bit simple, but I am a fan of it and don't agree.  I mean the book espouses almost a meritocracy, but really just the idea that if you're not willing to have some skin in the game, you shouldn't have a ton of say in how things run.  That's basically it.  They go so far as to state that the only reason they use "service = citizenship" is because that was the system in place when they finally squared away how to govern effectively, not because veterans are somehow inherently better/smarter/more talented.

It all seems very reasonable to me.

The book started out with the MI nuking cities that belonged to the Skinnies to discourage them from entering the war on the side of the arachnids. Johnny was afraid of and couldn't talk to girls. Heinlein brings Johnny's father back in at the end when he should have been dead. These are three really obvious reasons how ST is juvenile fiction.

The book just isn't that good. It appeals to teenage boys for the same reason Ayn Rand does. Most men grow out of that phase. I feel the same way about Enders Game.


Your post makes it pretty clear if you read ST, you didn't understand it.    But you are hardly alone.

Voerhoeven said he never read the book.   Michael Moorcock used his criticisms of it to acquire celebrity in a essay called 'Starship Stormtropers.'   He lambasted the work, along with Tolkein.    I asked him about it on his online forum one time.   His response was that he never actually read it.   He just needed to take on a popular work in order to get recognition.

These days I'm pretty far left - well, not as far left as Heinlein in Stranger in a Strange Land, which he wrote at the same time as ST.    But I'll never understand the need to endlessly misrepresent this work.

For example, there's no reason that Johnny's dad should be dead at the end of the book.   The city that was nuked was Buenos Aires.    The Rico family lived in the Phillippines.   His native tongue was Tagalog.   His mother just happened to be there visiting.

All of this is explicitly pointed out in the book.
 
2017-10-05 04:57:20 PM  

madgonad: The book just isn't that good. It appeals to teenage boys for the same reason Ayn Rand does. Most men grow out of that phase. I feel the same way about Enders Game.


I am still a huge fan of "Ender" because the follow up books re-contextualize the story as the beginning of a philosophy about empathy and understanding that I really grab to.
 
2017-10-05 05:00:29 PM  

demiurgex: madgonad: brokendownyota: Rocketboy1313: T
The book is not a smart as it thinks it is.

I keep seeing people arguing that the book is fascist, ignorant, or otherwise stupid.  Maybe I'm a bit simple, but I am a fan of it and don't agree.  I mean the book espouses almost a meritocracy, but really just the idea that if you're not willing to have some skin in the game, you shouldn't have a ton of say in how things run.  That's basically it.  They go so far as to state that the only reason they use "service = citizenship" is because that was the system in place when they finally squared away how to govern effectively, not because veterans are somehow inherently better/smarter/more talented.

It all seems very reasonable to me.

The book started out with the MI nuking cities that belonged to the Skinnies to discourage them from entering the war on the side of the arachnids. Johnny was afraid of and couldn't talk to girls. Heinlein brings Johnny's father back in at the end when he should have been dead. These are three really obvious reasons how ST is juvenile fiction.

The book just isn't that good. It appeals to teenage boys for the same reason Ayn Rand does. Most men grow out of that phase. I feel the same way about Enders Game.

Your post makes it pretty clear if you read ST, you didn't understand it.    But you are hardly alone.

Voerhoeven said he never read the book.   Michael Moorcock used his criticisms of it to acquire celebrity in a essay called 'Starship Stormtropers.'   He lambasted the work, along with Tolkein.    I asked him about it on his online forum one time.   His response was that he never actually read it.   He just needed to take on a popular work in order to get recognition.

These days I'm pretty far left - well, not as far left as Heinlein in Stranger in a Strange Land, which he wrote at the same time as ST.    But I'll never understand the need to endlessly misrepresent this work.

For example, there's no reason that Johnny's dad should be dead a ...


And Darth Vader was tall in original. it's unbelievable how Spaceballs got that bit wrong
 
2017-10-05 05:07:48 PM  
I enjoyed the book for what it was a libertarian screed wrapped in a decent story.

 I enjoyed the movie but I have to question the wisdom of earth's military leaders. No air defense over drop zones? No secured landing zones? And what war criminal in high command decided that human  wave assaults were a good idea? Nuclear hand grenades? Sure, if you view your troops a completely disposable, which, judging by the way they flush away troops, that just may be the case!
 
2017-10-05 05:09:12 PM  

Delawheredad: I enjoyed the book for what it was a libertarian screed wrapped in a decent story.

 I enjoyed the movie but I have to question the wisdom of earth's military leaders. No air defense over drop zones? No secured landing zones? And what war criminal in high command decided that human  wave assaults were a good idea? Nuclear hand grenades? Sure, if you view your troops a completely disposable, which, judging by the way they flush away troops, that just may be the case!


Seriouslu, who taught them warfare, Stalin?
 
2017-10-05 05:09:23 PM  
If I wanted a satire I would reread 'Bill the Galactic Hero.'  Well written and hits some of Heinlein's tender spots.
 
2017-10-05 05:16:40 PM  

LewDux: Lothar IB: I like both the book and movie. What I hate is people turning every story into a social economical political commentary and judgement of our current blah blah blah shut the fark up and enjoy the giant bugs getting shot. Not everything needs to have some deep inner meaning.

Sometimes social economical political commentary is just social economical political commentary


But most of the time it's a big fat brown penis.

/No wait, that's a cigar.
 
2017-10-05 05:17:57 PM  
kudayta:

/No wait, that's a cigar.

If you brave enough
 
2017-10-05 05:20:58 PM  

21-37-42: Who ya got?
Team Dina
[img.fark.net image 271x186]
or Team Denise?

[img.fark.net image 289x174]


Both
 
2017-10-05 05:26:35 PM  

Rocketboy1313: madgonad: The book just isn't that good. It appeals to teenage boys for the same reason Ayn Rand does. Most men grow out of that phase. I feel the same way about Enders Game.

I am still a huge fan of "Ender" because the follow up books re-contextualize the story as the beginning of a philosophy about empathy and understanding that I really grab to.


fark Children of the Mind, that book was awful and led the way for all his "prequel" crap.
 
2017-10-05 05:44:14 PM  

2wolves: If I wanted a satire I would reread 'Bill the Galactic Hero.'  Well written and hits some of Heinlein's tender spots.


Did he ever get that second L back after Planet of 10,000 bars?

I happen to prefer Retief for my satire.
 
2017-10-05 06:08:49 PM  
The VFX in that film are easily top 10 all time.

/IMHO better than Titanic which it lost the Oscar to
 
2017-10-05 06:13:22 PM  
I enjoyed the book as a good sci fi yarn but you have to be a bit of a randian level nutjob to take any of the philosophy seriously.

I loved the farking movie. One of my favorite rewatches to this day.
 
2017-10-05 07:04:30 PM  

LewDux: Seriouslu, who taught them warfare, Stalin?


2.media.dorkly.cvcdn.com
 
2017-10-05 07:59:01 PM  

21-37-42: Who ya got?
Team Dina
[img.fark.net image 271x186]
or Team Denise?

[img.fark.net image 289x174]


Is this some kind of joke? Are you trying to be funny? Like a clown?

You posted a picture of Dina Meyer, a goddess descended to earth, beside some kind of vague swirl of colored pixels with a roughly humanoid outline. Give your head a shake!
 
2017-10-05 08:06:38 PM  

Delawheredad: I enjoyed the book for what it was a libertarian screed wrapped in a decent story.

 I enjoyed the movie but I have to question the wisdom of earth's military leaders. No air defense over drop zones? No secured landing zones? And what war criminal in high command decided that human  wave assaults were a good idea? Nuclear hand grenades? Sure, if you view your troops a completely disposable, which, judging by the way they flush away troops, that just may be the case!


Those grenades always make me think of the Davey Crockett nuclear rifle from the 50's. Crews *might* survive firing the damn thing!
 
2017-10-05 08:07:49 PM  

Rocketboy1313: This text is now purple: Rocketboy1313: The movie is better than the book.

The book is not a smart as it thinks it is.

...But neither is the movie.

So are you just going to ignore the second half of my post?
"And it is certainly not as smart as its legions of fanboys claim it is.

The movie at least acknowledges this and makes it a joke."


Yes, we know.

img.fark.net
 
2017-10-05 08:08:44 PM  

Chevello: 2wolves: If I wanted a satire I would reread 'Bill the Galactic Hero.'  Well written and hits some of Heinlein's tender spots.

Did he ever get that second L back after Planet of 10,000 bars?

I happen to prefer Retief for my satire.


Why has there never been a screen adaptation of Retief?  Snarky galactic spy would sell some popcorn.
 
2017-10-05 08:15:32 PM  
i remember when the whispers out that the film was an allegory for the German fascism of the 1930's/40's.... however i think the article is putting the cart before the horse a bit to say it was about fascism in America.  i don't think so.... he's looking at it through modern-day lenses which is skewing his perception.
 
2017-10-05 08:56:44 PM  

fifthhorseman: I happen to prefer Retief for my satire.

Why has there never been a screen adaptation of Retief?  Snarky galactic spy would sell some popcorn.


Retief would be really hard to do. We know it's meant to be a cheesy send-up (although I have the sneaking suspicion it wasn't entirely meant to be one) but I could see a lot of people taking issue with its more, er, dated influences. Still, it would be the closest I'd ever get to seeing a farking Bolo on the big screen so I want it. I'd personally say Stainless Steel Rat has a better chance of being adapted. Hell I'm surprised it was never turned into an anime somehow. Seems like it would be a good fit, if it weren't just derided as a Lupin III knock-off.

/Breath of the Wild is the closest thing I've ever seen something capture the setting/feel of The Night of the Trolls
 
2017-10-05 09:04:41 PM  

batlock666: 21-37-42: Who ya got?
Team Dina
[img.fark.net image 271x186]
or Team Denise?

[img.fark.net image 289x174]

I have always been team Dina:

[pbs.twimg.com image 600x600]


Wow
 
2017-10-05 09:06:59 PM  
I thought the reason there was no air defense at klendathu was that they didn't realize the bugs were capable of hitting targets at that altitude. It's been a while since I've watched it,tho.
 
2017-10-05 09:40:47 PM  
The Forever War (original or that weird new version with more pages) is a better social commentary than Starship Troopers.

Bo us, way less fascism.

Movie is a hoot, so farking funny.
 
2017-10-05 09:41:11 PM  

NathanAllen: The Forever War (original or that weird new version with more pages) is a better social commentary than Starship Troopers.

Bo us, way less fascism.

Movie is a hoot, so farking funny.


Or bonus.

Weekend started early.
 
2017-10-05 10:08:59 PM  

ox45tallboy: As a huge fan of the book, the movie pissed me off something fierce, and I could never appreciate it for what it was.I think it would have been much better had they just changed the character and location names and called it something else.


In the words of Hazel Stone, "Just file off the serial numbers"
 
2017-10-05 10:27:00 PM  

ox45tallboy: As a huge fan of the book, the movie pissed me off something fierce, and I could never appreciate it for what it was.I think it would have been much better had they just changed the character and location names and called it something else.


Ditto.  The movie was an insult to Heinlein.  It ignored the entire premise of the book and twisted the political system into something ominous.

If they had given it a different title I might have been able to enjoy it as a campy scifi romp.
 
2017-10-05 10:44:17 PM  

OgreMagi: Ditto. The movie was an insult to Heinlein. It ignored the entire premise of the book and twisted the political system into something ominous.


thatsthejoke.jpg
 
2017-10-05 10:50:47 PM  

KingBiefWhistle: OgreMagi: Ditto. The movie was an insult to Heinlein. It ignored the entire premise of the book and twisted the political system into something ominous.

thatsthejoke.jpg


Heinlein made his wife have sex with L Ron Hubbard. I don't think you can really insult the man.
 
2017-10-05 10:52:09 PM  

OgreMagi: Ditto.  The movie was an insult to Heinlein.


The Galactic Overlord was pure schlock. For the right amount of money, Heinlein would have been proud to cash those insult checks.
 
2017-10-05 10:58:26 PM  

fifthhorseman: Chevello: 2wolves: If I wanted a satire I would reread 'Bill the Galactic Hero.'  Well written and hits some of Heinlein's tender spots.

Did he ever get that second L back after Planet of 10,000 bars?

I happen to prefer Retief for my satire.

Why has there never been a screen adaptation of Retief?  Snarky galactic spy would sell some popcorn.


I thought there had been an anime series, but my Google-fu is failing me tonight.
 
2017-10-06 02:02:23 AM  
Aliens 90210
 
bav
2017-10-06 10:56:12 AM  

TappingTheVein: It's amazing how people at the time didn't realize it was satire. The 4th sequel, Starship Troopers: Traitor of Mars is out now with the voices of some the original cast.

Also:
[Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/OkEdyq3UE5M]


Saw it in the theatre the one night it played.  Laughed through most of it.
 
bav
2017-10-06 11:06:12 AM  

BeesNuts: ox45tallboy:

Hey, that's all good. I'm not trying to demean the movie, I'm just saying that it doesn't tell the same story as the book, and might have benefited from not trying to shoehorn the book's characters into the story it wanted to tell.

I hear ya.  Didn't mean to come off as defensive.  I was just sharing my experience with the media, riffing off of you doing the same.  I'm not even sure I disagree that the movie didn't need to be "Starship Troopers".  I'll have to think on that one.  Heck, it could have been a warhammer 40k movie and had exactly the same plot and tone.  Call it "Imperial Guard".


The original name was Bug Hunt at Outpost Nine.

Apocrypha is that they were doing an unrelated sci-fi movie when the studio was finally able to get the rights to Starship Troopers from the Heinlein estate.  They came to Verhoeven and told him to turn it into Starship Troopers.  Verhoeven started reading the book and got depressed after a few chapters & stopped reading it.

For the DVD extras on Traitor for Mars, the writer talked about how he loved reading Starship Troopers as a kid but when the word came down that they were making Starship Troopers instead, he was excited about being able to put his own spin on the story.
 
2017-10-06 11:17:12 AM  
Racism and ignorant nationalism combined with terrible military tactics and strategy?  Sounds familiar.
 
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