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(Daily Mail)   It seems that the Vegas shooter booked hotel rooms overlooking the Chicago Lollapalooza festival two months ago as well. Fark: Malia Obama was there   ( dailymail.co.uk) divider line
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2017-10-05 11:20:21 AM  
Which means Secret Service was there.

/plot foiled
 
2017-10-05 11:23:33 AM  
If he had, that actually might've been enough to begin getting legislation passed. But, as it is, he just killed a bunch of plebs so the personal threat to the ruling class is still as nebulous as ever.
 
2017-10-05 11:24:19 AM  
Did he actually go there?
We need to ban reserving rooms in advance.  First come, first served.
 
2017-10-05 11:24:35 AM  
Daily Fail.

Must be true.
 
2017-10-05 11:25:25 AM  

Suflig: If he had, that actually might've been enough to begin getting legislation passed. But, as it is, he just killed a bunch of plebs so the personal threat to the ruling class is still as nebulous as ever.


Uhhh, do you really think that Obama's daughter being killed would have gotten Republicans to do anything? Do you think that the deplorables wouldn't have celebrated?
 
2017-10-05 11:25:27 AM  
Lollapalooza, known hotbed of Trump supporters.   That's what conservatives are still going with right?  Only militant liberals hate country music?
 
2017-10-05 11:27:48 AM  

HMS_Blinkin: Suflig: If he had, that actually might've been enough to begin getting legislation passed. But, as it is, he just killed a bunch of plebs so the personal threat to the ruling class is still as nebulous as ever.

Uhhh, do you really think that Obama's daughter being killed would have gotten Republicans to do anything? Do you think that the deplorables wouldn't have celebrated?


The deplorable are one thing, but actual threat to them or their families is something they'd pay attention to. If it could be interpreted as some sort of uprising and they're worried it might lead to more. Even though she wouldn't have been singled out and targeted their illusion of supremacy and security being rattled might mean something.
 
2017-10-05 11:33:45 AM  

blackminded: Which means Secret Service was there.

/plot foiled


No SS protection for adult children of former POTUS.
 
2017-10-05 11:34:38 AM  

Suflig: HMS_Blinkin: Suflig: If he had, that actually might've been enough to begin getting legislation passed. But, as it is, he just killed a bunch of plebs so the personal threat to the ruling class is still as nebulous as ever.

Uhhh, do you really think that Obama's daughter being killed would have gotten Republicans to do anything? Do you think that the deplorables wouldn't have celebrated?

The deplorable are one thing, but actual threat to them or their families is something they'd pay attention to. If it could be interpreted as some sort of uprising and they're worried it might lead to more. Even though she wouldn't have been singled out and targeted their illusion of supremacy and security being rattled might mean something.


The GOP congressman who got shot earlier this year just came back and was spouting anti-gun control talking points right away. He got shot (and a bunch of other Republicans were shot at in that attack) and it didn't change his mind.

These guys would have cared even less about Malia Obama. Guaranteed.
 
2017-10-05 11:40:15 AM  
He probably heard about the killers being there, and he wanted to be the only killer at a concert.
 
2017-10-05 11:40:23 AM  

HMS_Blinkin: Suflig: HMS_Blinkin: Suflig: If he had, that actually might've been enough to begin getting legislation passed. But, as it is, he just killed a bunch of plebs so the personal threat to the ruling class is still as nebulous as ever.

Uhhh, do you really think that Obama's daughter being killed would have gotten Republicans to do anything? Do you think that the deplorables wouldn't have celebrated?

The deplorable are one thing, but actual threat to them or their families is something they'd pay attention to. If it could be interpreted as some sort of uprising and they're worried it might lead to more. Even though she wouldn't have been singled out and targeted their illusion of supremacy and security being rattled might mean something.

The GOP congressman who got shot earlier this year just came back and was spouting anti-gun control talking points right away. He got shot (and a bunch of other Republicans were shot at in that attack) and it didn't change his mind.

These guys would have cared even less about Malia Obama. Guaranteed.


Lets be fair now.

They did take steps in bulk up and increase protection details for Congressional leadership and tighten security guidelines for members of Congress in general.
 
2017-10-05 11:44:09 AM  

HMS_Blinkin: Suflig: If he had, that actually might've been enough to begin getting legislation passed. But, as it is, he just killed a bunch of plebs so the personal threat to the ruling class is still as nebulous as ever.

Uhhh, do you really think that Obama's daughter being killed would have gotten Republicans to do anything? Do you think that the deplorables wouldn't have celebrated?


You mean acted like Democrats and various farkers when Steve Scalise was shot? Probably some would. Most wouldn't.

When a person has a solid reasoned argument well supported by facts and logic, emotional appeals don't sway it much. Gun control advocates are pathological in their method and their rank dishonesty so there's really nothing gunowners need to do as far as the discussion.
 
2017-10-05 11:48:49 AM  
So, he did a dry run, looking at the layout and the possible vantage points, and was clocking security, and the best points to fix his cameras. Sounds about right.
 
2017-10-05 11:49:37 AM  

Billy Liar: Did he actually go there?
We need to ban reserving rooms in advance.  First come, first served.


What really enabled this horrible tragedy was that he could bring all of those guns up to his room on the 32nd floor. Can you imagine how easily this could have been avoided if he could only carry a few at a time up the stairs? We need to ban fully automatic elevators.
 
2017-10-05 11:50:09 AM  
Just think how much worse it would have been in Chicago.  With the restrictive gun control laws, none of the bystanders would have been armed to stop the shooter.
 
2017-10-05 11:51:59 AM  

hubiestubert: So, he did a dry run, looking at the layout and the possible vantage points, and was clocking security, and the best points to fix his cameras. Sounds about right.


Multiple dry runs.

Sent his live in girlfriend on a surprise trip the Philippines then wired her money, she was thinking it was a way to break up with her. Crazy.

Or he could have been weird and dragged weapons everywhere with him as some sort of fantasy/security feeling. Guy seemed disconnected socially (per her family). Curious how long he has been going to festivals.
 
2017-10-05 11:55:19 AM  
They make great pets
 
2017-10-05 11:56:20 AM  

Mrbogey: HMS_Blinkin: Suflig: If he had, that actually might've been enough to begin getting legislation passed. But, as it is, he just killed a bunch of plebs so the personal threat to the ruling class is still as nebulous as ever.

Uhhh, do you really think that Obama's daughter being killed would have gotten Republicans to do anything? Do you think that the deplorables wouldn't have celebrated?

You mean acted like Democrats and various farkers when Steve Scalise was shot? Probably some would. Most wouldn't.

When a person has a solid reasoned argument well supported by facts and logic, emotional appeals don't sway it much. Gun control advocates are pathological in their method and their rank dishonesty so there's really nothing gunowners need to do as far as the discussion.


You mean "we must do "something" !" is not precise and thought out enough legislation for you?! You are obviously in the pocket of the NRA..and probably a racist if not full fledged white supremacist!!
/eye roll

Back to the original article...
The shiatstorm of blame and conjecture is bad enough now as it is. I can only imagine the psychotic, impulsive response if something like that had happened.
 
2017-10-05 12:01:38 PM  

thehobbes: hubiestubert: So, he did a dry run, looking at the layout and the possible vantage points, and was clocking security, and the best points to fix his cameras. Sounds about right.

Multiple dry runs.

Sent his live in girlfriend on a surprise trip the Philippines then wired her money, she was thinking it was a way to break up with her. Crazy.

Or he could have been weird and dragged weapons everywhere with him as some sort of fantasy/security feeling. Guy seemed disconnected socially (per her family). Curious how long he has been going to festivals.


The guy sounds like that google memo douche.  Resentful at women, fun, and all the other shiat he doesn't get playing video poker by the numbers.
 
2017-10-05 12:03:12 PM  
Were the Eagles of Death Metal playing at Lollapalooza?  That would have been awkward.
 
2017-10-05 12:04:03 PM  
So this should torpedo the idea that he was targeting country music fans specifically.  Pretty obvious he was checking out outdoor festivals where he would have a line of sight to do maximum damage to a crowd.  He probably picked Vegas since it was the closest to his home and thus the easiest to transport his cache of weapons to.  This is all just disturbing as fark.
 
2017-10-05 12:07:01 PM  

blackminded: Which means Secret Service was there.

/plot foiled


Yeah, those guys bring counter snipers.  He wouldn't have survived 30seconds.
 
2017-10-05 12:07:54 PM  

mcreadyblue: blackminded: Which means Secret Service was there.

/plot foiled

No SS protection for adult children of former POTUS.


Well, unless they are in office themselves.
 
2017-10-05 12:08:35 PM  

Suflig: If he had, that actually might've been enough to begin getting legislation passed. But, as it is, he just killed a bunch of plebs so the personal threat to the ruling class is still as nebulous as ever.


If killing elementary school children and white country music fans doesn't do it, killing the black hellspawn of Barack Obama certainly wouldn't do it.
 
2017-10-05 12:09:31 PM  
Do you think the SS would have dicked around for an hour before attempting to breach the door?
 
2017-10-05 12:16:19 PM  

This text is now purple: Do you think the SS would have dicked around for an hour before attempting to breach the door?


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Unlikely
 
2017-10-05 12:24:00 PM  
I credit the Chicago food for his choice to move on. It was too hard to get up after the beer, 'dogs and pizza, and those reruns of Mad about You are awesome when you're soaked in Valium.

Or it could have been the distance to the airport that was too risky.  He did have an escape plan and the ability to fly a plane.  The Vegas airport would have been far more appealing for the real attack.
 
2017-10-05 12:31:21 PM  
Would it be harder to get twenty firearms to a 32nd floor hotel room in Chicago(or Boston) than in Las Vegas?
 
2017-10-05 12:36:21 PM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Would it be harder to get twenty firearms to a 32nd floor hotel room in Chicago(or Boston) than in Las Vegas?


Driving cross country with a farktonne of guns and explosives runs the risk of a simple traffic stop landing this guy in jail before he could fire a single round. This guy was evil, but not necessarily stupid.
 
2017-10-05 12:39:57 PM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Would it be harder to get twenty firearms to a 32nd floor hotel room in Chicago(or Boston) than in Las Vegas?


From his home in Nevada, yes.
 
2017-10-05 12:41:55 PM  

Soulless Carbon Rod: This text is now purple: Do you think the SS would have dicked around for an hour before attempting to breach the door?

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Unlikely


They might have, because the shooting had stopped. At the moment, it seems possible that the appearance of the hotel security guard might have succeeded in causing the end of the shooting.
 
2017-10-05 12:44:35 PM  
I'm still wrapping my mind on how one individual can kill almost 60 and injure over 400 from the 32nd floor of the Mandalay Bay (at a presumed downward trajectory of 5-45 degree angle) in a span of just a few minutes.
While he may had allegedly plenty of guns and tons of ammo he is still limited to just a single pair of eyes and hands.

As someone who has shot guns many many times, that is actually an incredibly difficult thing to do even with bumpfire stock which in itself is a very poor substitute for an actual machine gun.

Maybe and I mean a BIG maybe a machine gunner with years of experience armed with a SAW or M60 can achieved that high count but a fat 60+ accountant with modified bumpfire stock rifle?
I guess I just have to take the media or cops at their words on this.

/not a tin foiler by any means but have experience shooting fully automatic weapons
 
2017-10-05 12:52:23 PM  

SuperNinjaToad: I'm still wrapping my mind on how one individual can kill almost 60 and injure over 400 from the 32nd floor of the Mandalay Bay (at a presumed downward trajectory of 5-45 degree angle) in a span of just a few minutes.
While he may had allegedly plenty of guns and tons of ammo he is still limited to just a single pair of eyes and hands.

As someone who has shot guns many many times, that is actually an incredibly difficult thing to do even with bumpfire stock which in itself is a very poor substitute for an actual machine gun.

Maybe and I mean a BIG maybe a machine gunner with years of experience armed with a SAW or M60 can achieved that high count but a fat 60+ accountant with modified bumpfire stock rifle?
I guess I just have to take the media or cops at their words on this.

/not a tin foiler by any means but have experience shooting fully automatic weapons


I'm going to go out on a limb here but, I'm guessing a few of the casualties will be attributed to getting trampled. You can have 22,000 fleeing in panic and not get a few people trampled. You may have survived a superficial wound, but you may have had several hundred people trample you to death.

/have not looked at any reports of casualties, I'm just speculating.
//either way it's incredibly sad
 
2017-10-05 12:57:37 PM  
WTF was the point of mentioning Malia Obama? the only person out of the 400,000+ attendees other than drum up the idea his motives were racist because he is white...which clearly was not the case since he shot up an event with mostly white people and even scouted out Red Sox stadium in Boston and Grant Park in Chicago where other large outdoor events take place.

1 single name mention...what was the point other than to drive feelings...when it isnt even needed due to the asshole being a mass murderer and everyone already has a reason to be negative towards him. The constant push to drive the narrative of bad white people trying to harm black people is well past insane.

And before anyone posts about conspiracy theory crap, answer the question...why name ONE person like that and give an actual valid reason since we already know there were actual celebrities at that event and that Red Sox games often have celebrities at their games in the private skyboxes.
 
2017-10-05 01:03:44 PM  

SuperNinjaToad: I'm still wrapping my mind on how one individual can kill almost 60 and injure over 400 from the 32nd floor of the Mandalay Bay (at a presumed downward trajectory of 5-45 degree angle) in a span of just a few minutes.
While he may had allegedly plenty of guns and tons of ammo he is still limited to just a single pair of eyes and hands.

As someone who has shot guns many many times, that is actually an incredibly difficult thing to do even with bumpfire stock which in itself is a very poor substitute for an actual machine gun.

Maybe and I mean a BIG maybe a machine gunner with years of experience armed with a SAW or M60 can achieved that high count but a fat 60+ accountant with modified bumpfire stock rifle?
I guess I just have to take the media or cops at their words on this.

/not a tin foiler by any means but have experience shooting fully automatic weapons


There is also the sad fact that he was firing into a crowd whose immediate response was to duck down and freeze, and he WAS firing down on them. Even at that range, with such a target rich environment, and people who had NO idea where the fire was coming from, it's not all that unbelievable. Not to mention the deaths that might be attributed to getting simply stomped on by a crowd.

People are killed every Christmas season by crowds surging. No panic there. Put a guy up on high, firing into a massed crowd that has frozen and made themselves a WIDER target from that angle, and it's not all that unbelievable. Civilians don't fire back, and most people have sh*tty instincts on what to do when getting fired on.
 
2017-10-05 01:08:22 PM  

SuperNinjaToad: I'm still wrapping my mind on how one individual can kill almost 60 and injure over 400 from the 32nd floor of the Mandalay Bay (at a presumed downward trajectory of 5-45 degree angle) in a span of just a few minutes.
While he may had allegedly plenty of guns and tons of ammo he is still limited to just a single pair of eyes and hands.

As someone who has shot guns many many times, that is actually an incredibly difficult thing to do even with bumpfire stock which in itself is a very poor substitute for an actual machine gun.

Maybe and I mean a BIG maybe a machine gunner with years of experience armed with a SAW or M60 can achieved that high count but a fat 60+ accountant with modified bumpfire stock rifle?
I guess I just have to take the media or cops at their words on this.

/not a tin foiler by any means but have experience shooting fully automatic weapons


How is it hard to believe? He shot 89 rounds in 8.7 seconds, his target area was several acres of densly packed people. I'm frankly surprised the death toll wasn't higher, modern trauma procedures are pretty darn effective.
 
2017-10-05 01:17:00 PM  
Maybe he just really liked music. There's good music on all sides
 
2017-10-05 01:30:34 PM  

hubiestubert: There is also the sad fact that he was firing into a crowd whose immediate response was to duck down and freeze, and he WAS firing down on them. Even at that range, with such a target rich environment, and people who had NO idea where the fire was coming from, it's not all that unbelievable. Not to mention the deaths that might be attributed to getting simply stomped on by a crowd.


This. The crowd didn't really react until after the second burst. On one video there is a guy saying "it isn't gunfire" until people started dropping.
 
2017-10-05 01:36:15 PM  

Theaetetus: Billy Liar: Did he actually go there?
We need to ban reserving rooms in advance.  First come, first served.

What really enabled this horrible tragedy was that he could bring all of those guns up to his room on the 32nd floor. Can you imagine how easily this could have been avoided if he could only carry a few at a time up the stairs? We need to ban fully automatic elevators.


I think the better idea would be to ban any access to rooms at all except for bucket, rope, and pulley.
 
2017-10-05 01:36:46 PM  

abhorrent1: Maybe he just really liked music. There's good music on all sides


All sides.
 
2017-10-05 01:37:21 PM  

robodog: SuperNinjaToad: I'm still wrapping my mind on how one individual can kill almost 60 and injure over 400 from the 32nd floor of the Mandalay Bay (at a presumed downward trajectory of 5-45 degree angle) in a span of just a few minutes.
While he may had allegedly plenty of guns and tons of ammo he is still limited to just a single pair of eyes and hands.

As someone who has shot guns many many times, that is actually an incredibly difficult thing to do even with bumpfire stock which in itself is a very poor substitute for an actual machine gun.

Maybe and I mean a BIG maybe a machine gunner with years of experience armed with a SAW or M60 can achieved that high count but a fat 60+ accountant with modified bumpfire stock rifle?
I guess I just have to take the media or cops at their words on this.

/not a tin foiler by any means but have experience shooting fully automatic weapons

How is it hard to believe? He shot 89 rounds in 8.7 seconds, his target area was several acres of densly packed people. I'm frankly surprised the death toll wasn't higher, modern trauma procedures are pretty darn effective.


Most people's idea of guns and shooting comes from Hollywood action movies.. in reality it is NOT that easy to kill that many people with a gun nevermind from a 32 storey window.. unless you have shot tons and tons of guns downrange it's extremely difficult to explain nor discuss with someone who hasn't.

I'll just leave it at that.
 
2017-10-05 01:44:10 PM  

SuperNinjaToad: robodog: SuperNinjaToad: I'm still wrapping my mind on how one individual can kill almost 60 and injure over 400 from the 32nd floor of the Mandalay Bay (at a presumed downward trajectory of 5-45 degree angle) in a span of just a few minutes.
While he may had allegedly plenty of guns and tons of ammo he is still limited to just a single pair of eyes and hands.

As someone who has shot guns many many times, that is actually an incredibly difficult thing to do even with bumpfire stock which in itself is a very poor substitute for an actual machine gun.

Maybe and I mean a BIG maybe a machine gunner with years of experience armed with a SAW or M60 can achieved that high count but a fat 60+ accountant with modified bumpfire stock rifle?
I guess I just have to take the media or cops at their words on this.

/not a tin foiler by any means but have experience shooting fully automatic weapons

How is it hard to believe? He shot 89 rounds in 8.7 seconds, his target area was several acres of densly packed people. I'm frankly surprised the death toll wasn't higher, modern trauma procedures are pretty darn effective.

Most people's idea of guns and shooting comes from Hollywood action movies.. in reality it is NOT that easy to kill that many people with a gun nevermind from a 32 storey window.. unless you have shot tons and tons of guns downrange it's extremely difficult to explain nor discuss with someone who hasn't.

I'll just leave it at that.


They probably need to check footage of the grassy knoll that night.
 
2017-10-05 01:47:40 PM  

DarnoKonrad: Lollapalooza, known hotbed of Trump supporters.   That's what conservatives are still going with right?  Only militant liberals hate country music?


I'm not a "militant" liberal, but if every country singer had a sudden a mysterious case of the dead I wouldn't be overly saddened by it.

/most nerve grating music in existence
 
2017-10-05 01:54:31 PM  

SuperNinjaToad: Most people's idea of guns and shooting comes from Hollywood action movies.. in reality it is NOT that easy to kill that many people with a gun nevermind from a 32 storey window.. unless you have shot tons and tons of guns downrange it's extremely difficult to explain nor discuss with someone who hasn't.

I'll just leave it at that.


This is false when it comes to a weapon discharging at high rates. You just point and pull the trigger and then move the gun around to spray. Its called spray and pray and has been used by the military for a reason...to not only describe someone without proper training, but to tell someone without training with an assault weapon, how to use it, if they find themselves in a position where they need to. "just point, then spray and pray"...which becomes very simple to do when over 20,000 people are jam packed together in a small place.

Anyone could kill the number of people he did, even a person that never shot a weapon before, as long as the situations were the same. Weapons, ammo, whatever he used to allow him to shoot at that angle easily and that many people so close together that were ducking low the first minute actually making easy to hit them...
 
2017-10-05 02:04:48 PM  

hubiestubert: So, he did a dry run, looking at the layout and the possible vantage points, and was clocking security, and the best points to fix his cameras. Sounds about right.


He never showed up for his reservation.
 
2017-10-05 02:04:52 PM  

draconian: WTF was the point of mentioning Malia Obama? the only person out of the 400,000+ attendees other than drum up the idea his motives were racist because he is white.


Every then-news story suggests she was stoned to the gills, that woulda been hard to take cover when you think you're bulletproof...   http://www.tmz.com/2017/08/05/malia-obama-crazy-dancing-at-lollapal​ooz​a/
 
2017-10-05 02:26:52 PM  

draconian: WTF was the point of mentioning Malia Obama? the only person out of the 400,000+ attendees other than drum up the idea his motives were racist because he is white...which clearly was not the case since he shot up an event with mostly white people and even scouted out Red Sox stadium in Boston and Grant Park in Chicago where other large outdoor events take place.

1 single name mention...what was the point other than to drive feelings...when it isnt even needed due to the asshole being a mass murderer and everyone already has a reason to be negative towards him. The constant push to drive the narrative of bad white people trying to harm black people is well past insane.

And before anyone posts about conspiracy theory crap, answer the question...why name ONE person like that and give an actual valid reason since we already know there were actual celebrities at that event and that Red Sox games often have celebrities at their games in the private skyboxes.


Honestly, I don't think the intention was to imply that the asshole shooter had racist intentions.  I think the article mentioned it because she was the president's daughter.  If Jenna Bush or Ivanka Trump had been there, I think you'd have seen the same mention.  As for the other events, one expects celebrities at concerts.  When the family member of the president was at an event that was scouted by a mass murderer, it's going to get notice.
 
2017-10-05 02:37:29 PM  
Bazolar:When the family member of the president was at an event that was scouted by a mass murderer, it's going to get notice.

Former President, and no, we would not have seen Chelsea Clinton's name if she had gone to a Red Sox game...it would only have been mentioned if the guy had been targeting her. That is the point. There was zero reason for her to be mentioned at all, or any other individual at all. It was done to manipulate feelings.
 
2017-10-05 02:40:04 PM  

FlyingJ: draconian: WTF was the point of mentioning Malia Obama? the only person out of the 400,000+ attendees other than drum up the idea his motives were racist because he is white.

Every then-news story suggests she was stoned to the gills, that woulda been hard to take cover when you think you're bulletproof...   http://www.tmz.com/2017/08/05/malia-obama-crazy-dancing-at-lollapalo​oza/


And the other how many thousands that were as stoned as her? Again, if anything I think you proved my point. They used her name out of the 100s of thousands there to drum up emotions in you, more than likely racial emotions in many others. Pure manipulation.
 
2017-10-05 02:47:13 PM  

SuperNinjaToad: Most people's idea of guns and shooting comes from Hollywood action movies.. in reality it is NOT that easy to kill that many people with a gun nevermind from a 32 storey window.. unless you have shot tons and tons of guns downrange it's extremely difficult to explain nor discuss with someone who hasn't.


It's 20,000 people in a confined space. Have you ever seen a concert? Mosh pits are a thing.

If you try shooting specific targets from that far/high, sure, you'll miss. Chances are you can hit an acre-sized target with a few thousand rounds, though.
 
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