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2017-10-05 10:10:47 AM  
41 votes:
Conclusion: These findings are particularly relevant as they suggest that the longer individuals report having used cannabis after a psychiatric discharge, the more likely they are of being violent in the following time waves. These results add to our understanding of the negative consequences of chronic cannabis use amid psychiatric patients.

Wait, wait, wait, you're trying to tell me that giving mind-altering drugs to people whose mind is already unbalanced could lead to negative consequences?!

/We've known about that shiat for years
//Fark off Daily Fail
2017-10-05 10:11:07 AM  
19 votes:
flucto: Oh now you've done it. A sacred cow has been insulted and all the addicts schizophrenics are going to come pouring in to defend their habit. mental disorder.

//runs out giggling embarrassed

ftfy.

The latest study by five researchers from institutes based in Montreal, Canada, examined the lives of 1,136 men and women who were patients at psychiatric hospitals in Missouri, Pittsburgh and Massachusetts.
2017-10-05 10:28:27 AM  
18 votes:

Destructor: I think the takeaway here is that psychiatric patients shouldn't be smoking weed.


I traded in my xanax for weed. I'm not going back, because the benefits remain even when I'm not high. I don't even remember the last time I had a panic attack, and I used to have to take xanax every time I left the house.

I think the takeaway here is that people should never read the Daily Fail.
2017-10-05 10:11:16 AM  
18 votes:
FTA:
The latest study by five researchers from institutes based in Montreal, Canada, examined the lives of 1,136 men and women who were patients at psychiatric hospitals in Missouri, Pittsburgh and Massachusetts.
I think the takeaway here is that psychiatric patients shouldn't be smoking weed. Probably shouldn't be drinking or doing other drugs either (unless prescribed)... just to play it safe.
2017-10-05 10:12:16 AM  
12 votes:
That shiat doesn't agree with me. I'm a raging drunk but I don't touch weed. But I know a few potheads and they're the most mellow people I know. causation/correlation, all that shiat. Maybe violent people also smoke weed. That doesn't mean that weed causes people to be violent. This is shiat spewed out by the pharmaceutical industry, that causes a lot more damage that weed.
2017-10-05 10:32:40 AM  
9 votes:
So violent drunks were still violent when drunk and they have them smoke pot? Violent psychiatric patients still had violent tendencies after getting high?  Rapists still wanted to rape after getting high?

I'm no scientist but I believe I found a flaw in their data pool.
2017-10-05 10:32:36 AM  
9 votes:
I thought it was weird the article dodged around who did the study and who was included in the sample until about half way done.

Are we using psychaitric in-patients to make judgements on the effects of pharmaceuticals on the general populace too?  Seems like it might be a little odd to use such strange sample pool to draw larger comparisons.

I can't imagine the scientists who were behind this study are intending for it to be used for anything other than looking at the effects of marijuana on the mentally ill.  If their intention is to draw conclusions about the general public, they've very poor scientists or being paid by an entity that wants to stop legalization.
2017-10-05 10:27:25 AM  
9 votes:
That's like saying that mentally unbalanced persons shouldn't be allowed to have guns.
2017-10-05 10:27:20 AM  
8 votes:
Amazing what articles/headlines get approved..
2017-10-05 10:28:41 AM  
7 votes:

Mugato: That shiat doesn't agree with me. I'm a raging drunk but I don't touch weed. But I know a few potheads and they're the most mellow people I know. causation/correlation, all that shiat. Maybe violent people also smoke weed. That doesn't mean that weed causes people to be violent. This is shiat spewed out by the pharmaceutical industry, that causes a lot more damage that weed.


I've been around a LOT of pot smokers since circa 1995.  Never once have I seen a violent act.  Anecdotal and all that but yeah I don't see it.
2017-10-05 10:41:34 AM  
6 votes:

Mercutio74: Destructor: skinnycatullus: I traded in my xanax for weed. I'm not going back, because the benefits remain even when I'm not high. I don't even remember the last time I had a panic attack, and I used to have to take xanax every time I left the house.

I think the takeaway here is that people should never read the Daily Fail.

I stand corrected.

Gotta evaluate cannabis like any other drug. On a case by case basis. How's that grab you? :-)

I'm not sure it needs to be that specific.  But if you're going to use a study to draw conclusions about a population, you have to sample that entire population not a very specific subset of it that may have an atypical reaction to what you're testing.


That would like sampling farkers and determining that 90% are socially awkward overweight neckbeards therefore 90% of the general population is socially awkward overweight neckbeards.
2017-10-05 10:33:58 AM  
6 votes:
Research using psychiatric patients is very unlikely to be generalizable to the general population.  This should be intuitively obvious for anyone who thinks about it for at most five seconds.
2017-10-05 10:39:20 AM  
5 votes:

Destructor: skinnycatullus: I traded in my xanax for weed. I'm not going back, because the benefits remain even when I'm not high. I don't even remember the last time I had a panic attack, and I used to have to take xanax every time I left the house.

I think the takeaway here is that people should never read the Daily Fail.

I stand corrected.

Gotta evaluate cannabis like any other drug. On a case by case basis. How's that grab you? :-)


I'm not sure it needs to be that specific.  But if you're going to use a study to draw conclusions about a population, you have to sample that entire population not a very specific subset of it that may have an atypical reaction to what you're testing.
2017-10-05 09:54:35 AM  
5 votes:
Oh now you've done it. A sacred cow has been insulted and all the addicts are going to come pouring in to defend their habit.

//runs out giggling
2017-10-05 11:55:18 AM  
4 votes:
blah blah blah... SKUNK CANNIBIS! blah blah blah... SKUNK CANNIBIS!
nerdy, conservative teetotaling article writer that doesn't get invited to parties much?
2017-10-05 11:11:06 AM  
4 votes:
The latest study by five researchers from institutes based in Montreal, Canada, examined the lives of 1,136 men and women who were patients at psychiatric hospitals in Missouri, Pittsburgh and Massachusetts

Funny how it took over half the article before revealing that little gem.
2017-10-05 04:45:35 PM  
3 votes:
I've  noticed an awful lot of "reefer madness" BS coming from the UK lately, I think the legalization movement over here across the pond is spooking some of the conservative elements over there and they are lashing out.
2017-10-05 11:22:15 AM  
3 votes:
They're using schizophrenics as examples?
2017-10-05 11:11:39 AM  
3 votes:

sigdiamond2000: Is this a joke?


The Daily Fail?  Yes, it is a joke.  Why do you ask?
2017-10-05 10:48:00 AM  
3 votes:
I understand that cannabis usage can trigger psychotic episodes in people who suffer from schizophrenia. Spice and Bath Salts are worse, of course.

When is any (non-prescribed) mind-altering substance a good idea for mentally ill people?
2017-10-05 10:37:08 AM  
3 votes:

nekom: Mugato: That shiat doesn't agree with me. I'm a raging drunk but I don't touch weed. But I know a few potheads and they're the most mellow people I know. causation/correlation, all that shiat. Maybe violent people also smoke weed. That doesn't mean that weed causes people to be violent. This is shiat spewed out by the pharmaceutical industry, that causes a lot more damage that weed.

I've been around a LOT of pot smokers since circa 1995.  Never once have I seen a violent act.  Anecdotal and all that but yeah I don't see it.


The same, but since 1970.
2017-10-05 10:05:12 AM  
3 votes:
God dammit, Daily Mail. Now I have to question the existence of marijuana.

 And after a lifetime spending tens of thousands of dollars on it!
2017-10-05 02:03:48 PM  
2 votes:
...among psychiatric patients.
2017-10-05 01:56:00 PM  
2 votes:

sigdiamond2000: Is this a joke?


It's The Daily Fail.
2017-10-05 01:30:01 PM  
2 votes:

Destructor: Pinner: SKUNK CANNIBIS

Just out of curiosity, what the hell is Skunk Cannabis. After reading this article, it makes it sound super special.

I just thought it was like a marketing gimmick... "Potent" pot or something. Or really smelly. But, there's a limit to what you can get from context.


It's a hybrid variety of indica and sativa with a 14-15% THC concentration. Mind you, it's not uncommon for it to be used as a term for cannabis in general in the UK (not that a respected periodical like the Daily Mail would ever be so sloppy, obviously).
2017-10-05 12:51:25 PM  
2 votes:
Cannabis information in an article by the Daily Fail?

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2017-10-05 11:22:42 AM  
2 votes:
I'd be interested in an explanation of how they proved causality here .
2017-10-05 11:13:52 AM  
2 votes:

Delta1212: On the other hand, if I go solely based on my person experience, I could say the same about drunk people.

Heard plenty of stories, sure, but despite being around plenty of drunk people, I've never been around a drunk person who was being violen


Neither have I. Being a drunk myself, I just get absent minded and talk too much. They say being drunk just brings out your latent personality and I don't hang out with violent assholes. Weed's pretty much the same thing, based on the stoners I know.
2017-10-05 10:53:31 AM  
2 votes:

rcain: Oh boy, another scientific study that will be countered by another scientific study that says the exact opposite

These made for Media  "studies" need to be banned


Or at least studied.
2017-10-05 10:45:26 AM  
2 votes:
Oh boy, another scientific study that will be countered by another scientific study that says the exact opposite

These made for Media  "studies" need to be banned
2017-10-05 10:42:40 AM  
2 votes:
Is this a joke?
2017-10-05 10:40:13 AM  
2 votes:

HST's Dead Carcass: So violent drunks were still violent when drunk and they have them smoke pot? Violent psychiatric patients still had violent tendencies after getting high?  Rapists still wanted to rape after getting high?

I'm no scientist but I believe I found a flaw in their data pool.


Hell yeah.
And they tell folks not to self-medicate for a reason. However, there are certain conditions like anxiety where people get prescribed medical mj after diagnosis and with ongoing monitoring.
2017-10-05 02:37:07 PM  
1 vote:
Bullshiat.
2017-10-05 01:31:24 PM  
1 vote:

nekom: I've been around a LOT of pot smokers since circa 1995. Never once have I seen a violent act. Anecdotal and all that but yeah I don't see it.


I've known a few habitual smokers who get incredibly agitated and pissy when they're sober and are exposed to high-stress situations.  They've acquired a dependence for being high to deal well with stress and just don't do well sober.  I wouldn't go so far as to call them violent, though.

But, I have known people who use prescription anti-anxiety drugs and alcohol for the similar reasons and they tend to get similarly agitated and pissy under the same scenario.  Take away peoples' coping mechanism and you often get bad behavior.  Shocking, I know.
2017-10-05 12:45:29 PM  
1 vote:

Mercutio74: I thought it was weird the article dodged around who did the study and who was included in the sample until about half way done.

Are we using psychaitric in-patients to make judgements on the effects of pharmaceuticals on the general populace too?  Seems like it might be a little odd to use such strange sample pool to draw larger comparisons.

I can't imagine the scientists who were behind this study are intending for it to be used for anything other than looking at the effects of marijuana on the mentally ill.  If their intention is to draw conclusions about the general public, they've very poor scientists or being paid by an entity that wants to stop legalization.


Yeah, unnamed research groups.
Untitled research paper.
Based entirely on interviews...?
What kind of scientist would conclude unambiguously that there is a definite causal relationship without any controlled experiments?  Especially with such a biased sampling?

Politically (Or financially) motivated ones without self respect, that's who.
2017-10-05 12:34:55 PM  
1 vote:
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2017-10-05 11:37:23 AM  
1 vote:

Destructor: abhorrent1: They're using schizophrenics as examples?

Or test subjects.

/It depends on who you ask.


"I have an idea. Lets give crazy people weed and see what happens."
2017-10-05 11:34:17 AM  
1 vote:
History of the World Part 1 BULLSHIT
Youtube sOlDiIbtxE8
2017-10-05 11:31:06 AM  
1 vote:

MrSplifferton: Marijuana Hyperemesis is no fun.


Fortunately, there's a cure for that.
2017-10-05 11:22:46 AM  
1 vote:

Delta1212: nekom: Mugato: That shiat doesn't agree with me. I'm a raging drunk but I don't touch weed. But I know a few potheads and they're the most mellow people I know. causation/correlation, all that shiat. Maybe violent people also smoke weed. That doesn't mean that weed causes people to be violent. This is shiat spewed out by the pharmaceutical industry, that causes a lot more damage that weed.

I've been around a LOT of pot smokers since circa 1995.  Never once have I seen a violent act.  Anecdotal and all that but yeah I don't see it.

On the other hand, if I go solely based on my person experience, I could say the same about drunk people.

Heard plenty of stories, sure, but despite being around plenty of drunk people, I've never been around a drunk person who was being violent.


Work at a bar for a month or two, then get back to us.

/10+ years working in a sports bar.
2017-10-05 11:15:49 AM  
1 vote:
Turning all our children into hooligans and whores?

/great musical
2017-10-05 11:14:16 AM  
1 vote:
Obligatory:
s2.quickmeme.com
2017-10-05 11:03:02 AM  
1 vote:
You should have seen the way they attacked that bag of Funyons.  Like a pack of wild animals.  The horror.  The horror.
 
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