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2017-10-05 11:59:41 AM  
Yeah. I get violent on a box or Twinkies and a bag of Funyuns.
 
2017-10-05 12:33:34 PM  

Pinner: blah blah blah... SKUNK CANNIBIS! blah blah blah... SKUNK CANNIBIS!
nerdy, conservative teetotaling article writer that doesn't get invited to parties much?


Skunk Cannabis?
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2017-10-05 12:34:55 PM  
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2017-10-05 12:45:29 PM  

Mercutio74: I thought it was weird the article dodged around who did the study and who was included in the sample until about half way done.

Are we using psychaitric in-patients to make judgements on the effects of pharmaceuticals on the general populace too?  Seems like it might be a little odd to use such strange sample pool to draw larger comparisons.

I can't imagine the scientists who were behind this study are intending for it to be used for anything other than looking at the effects of marijuana on the mentally ill.  If their intention is to draw conclusions about the general public, they've very poor scientists or being paid by an entity that wants to stop legalization.


Yeah, unnamed research groups.
Untitled research paper.
Based entirely on interviews...?
What kind of scientist would conclude unambiguously that there is a definite causal relationship without any controlled experiments?  Especially with such a biased sampling?

Politically (Or financially) motivated ones without self respect, that's who.
 
2017-10-05 12:51:25 PM  
Cannabis information in an article by the Daily Fail?

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2017-10-05 01:02:49 PM  

Pinner: SKUNK CANNIBIS


Just out of curiosity, what the hell is Skunk Cannabis. After reading this article, it makes it sound super special.

I just thought it was like a marketing gimmick... "Potent" pot or something. Or really smelly. But, there's a limit to what you can get from context.
 
2017-10-05 01:04:55 PM  

gilgigamesh: God dammit, Daily Mail. Now I have to question the existence of marijuana.

 And after a lifetime spending tens of thousands of dollars on it!


  Long con is best con.
Also, and all this time I've been smoking harmless tobacco!
 
2017-10-05 01:16:18 PM  
I'd wonder who submits this crap but, I probably already know.
 
2017-10-05 01:25:14 PM  
Heeey, dooood, listen man, hey dood.  Listen, hey
 
2017-10-05 01:26:00 PM  
hey, I smoke up all the time, and nothing happened to me maaaan.  I'm on fark all day, everyday, so you think somebody'd notice if there were a problem.

/maaan
 
2017-10-05 01:30:01 PM  

Destructor: Pinner: SKUNK CANNIBIS

Just out of curiosity, what the hell is Skunk Cannabis. After reading this article, it makes it sound super special.

I just thought it was like a marketing gimmick... "Potent" pot or something. Or really smelly. But, there's a limit to what you can get from context.


It's a hybrid variety of indica and sativa with a 14-15% THC concentration. Mind you, it's not uncommon for it to be used as a term for cannabis in general in the UK (not that a respected periodical like the Daily Mail would ever be so sloppy, obviously).
 
2017-10-05 01:31:24 PM  

nekom: I've been around a LOT of pot smokers since circa 1995. Never once have I seen a violent act. Anecdotal and all that but yeah I don't see it.


I've known a few habitual smokers who get incredibly agitated and pissy when they're sober and are exposed to high-stress situations.  They've acquired a dependence for being high to deal well with stress and just don't do well sober.  I wouldn't go so far as to call them violent, though.

But, I have known people who use prescription anti-anxiety drugs and alcohol for the similar reasons and they tend to get similarly agitated and pissy under the same scenario.  Take away peoples' coping mechanism and you often get bad behavior.  Shocking, I know.
 
2017-10-05 01:32:42 PM  

Stavr0: That's like saying that mentally unbalanced persons shouldn't be allowed to have guns.


Hey now! What part of "shall not be infringed" are you not getting?

/sarc
// 'cuz "Poe's" is broken
/// Three slashies
 
2017-10-05 01:50:41 PM  

I Ate Shergar: It's a hybrid variety of indica and sativa with a 14-15% THC concentration. Mind you, it's not uncommon for it to be used as a term for cannabis in general in the UK (not that a respected periodical like the Daily Mail would ever be so sloppy, obviously).


Thank you!
 
2017-10-05 01:56:00 PM  

sigdiamond2000: Is this a joke?


It's The Daily Fail.
 
2017-10-05 02:03:48 PM  
...among psychiatric patients.
 
2017-10-05 02:17:43 PM  
Annual health care expenditures for alcohol-related problems amount to $22.5 billion. The total cost of alcohol problems is $175.9 billion a year ( USA )
 
2017-10-05 02:23:03 PM  
What, they didn't see how many psychiatric patients that smoked cannabis after leaving psychiatric hospitalization were peaceful?

Correlation of self medicating, not causation.
 
2017-10-05 02:37:07 PM  
Bullshiat.
 
2017-10-05 02:46:54 PM  

AquaTatanka: I'd wonder who submits this crap but, I probably already know.


I don't think that useless tool would submit something this idiotic.  I could be wrong though.
 
2017-10-05 02:49:41 PM  

GanjSmokr: AquaTatanka: I'd wonder who submits this crap but, I probably already know.

I don't think that useless tool would submit something this idiotic.  I could be wrong though.


I don't stalk the profile to monitor the "Submitted links approved" but, I'm guessing there is a correlation.
 
2017-10-05 04:45:35 PM  
I've  noticed an awful lot of "reefer madness" BS coming from the UK lately, I think the legalization movement over here across the pond is spooking some of the conservative elements over there and they are lashing out.
 
2017-10-05 05:05:04 PM  

I Ate Shergar: Destructor: Pinner: SKUNK CANNIBIS

Just out of curiosity, what the hell is Skunk Cannabis. After reading this article, it makes it sound super special.

I just thought it was like a marketing gimmick... "Potent" pot or something. Or really smelly. But, there's a limit to what you can get from context.

It's a hybrid variety of indica and sativa with a 14-15% THC concentration. Mind you, it's not uncommon for it to be used as a term for cannabis in general in the UK (not that a respected periodical like the Daily Mail would ever be so sloppy, obviously).


I thought it just meant strong weed.

Never used marijuana (or really anything other than alcohol a couple times per year), no problem with people using it I just never felt an urge to. The people I know all smoked it and I wouldn't smoke anything due to my asthma so they couldn't get me to try.

But at University and now living in Vancouver it is everywhere.
 
2017-10-05 05:26:25 PM  

dywed88: I Ate Shergar: Destructor: Pinner: SKUNK CANNIBIS

Just out of curiosity, what the hell is Skunk Cannabis. After reading this article, it makes it sound super special.

I just thought it was like a marketing gimmick... "Potent" pot or something. Or really smelly. But, there's a limit to what you can get from context.

It's a hybrid variety of indica and sativa with a 14-15% THC concentration. Mind you, it's not uncommon for it to be used as a term for cannabis in general in the UK (not that a respected periodical like the Daily Mail would ever be so sloppy, obviously).

I thought it just meant strong weed.

Never used marijuana (or really anything other than alcohol a couple times per year), no problem with people using it I just never felt an urge to. The people I know all smoked it and I wouldn't smoke anything due to my asthma so they couldn't get me to try.

But at University and now living in Vancouver it is everywhere.


Someday you can try vaping or an edible, if you so desire.
 
2017-10-05 05:49:30 PM  

AquaTatanka: Someday you can try vaping or an edible, if you so desire.


A friend told me it was injected. Usually directly into your eye. And her name was Be<transmission jammed at source>
 
2017-10-05 06:07:24 PM  

AquaTatanka: dywed88: I Ate Shergar: Destructor: Pinner: SKUNK CANNIBIS

Just out of curiosity, what the hell is Skunk Cannabis. After reading this article, it makes it sound super special.

I just thought it was like a marketing gimmick... "Potent" pot or something. Or really smelly. But, there's a limit to what you can get from context.

It's a hybrid variety of indica and sativa with a 14-15% THC concentration. Mind you, it's not uncommon for it to be used as a term for cannabis in general in the UK (not that a respected periodical like the Daily Mail would ever be so sloppy, obviously).

I thought it just meant strong weed.

Never used marijuana (or really anything other than alcohol a couple times per year), no problem with people using it I just never felt an urge to. The people I know all smoked it and I wouldn't smoke anything due to my asthma so they couldn't get me to try.

But at University and now living in Vancouver it is everywhere.

Someday you can try vaping or an edible, if you so desire.


I could. And I live in Vancouver so it would be pretty damned easy. I have just never felt any inclination to.

/still support legalization, and decriminalization of pretty much all drugs
 
2017-10-05 07:20:55 PM  

flucto: Oh now you've done it. A sacred cow has been insulted and all the addicts are going to come pouring in to defend their habit.

//runs out giggling


No, but people who know bullshjit masquerading as research will be screaming for these assholes to be strung up, and that's a good thing.

Proper research parameters and legitimate sample populations aren't sacred cows, they are important for a reason.

The DM is for people who clutch their pearls so hard the nacre is gone and all they are left with is a string of dead nematodes.
 
2017-10-05 07:21:14 PM  

KiefKommando: I've  noticed an awful lot of "reefer madness" BS coming from the UK lately, I think the legalization movement over here across the pond is spooking some of the conservative elements over there and they are lashing out.


GW Pharma is a Brit firm, they are worth billions, they are heavily into weed (google "Sativex"), and harlee is pretty sure that they have whole bunches of friends and enemies in high places. They are probably involved in this in some way, either as a target, or as someone trying to strangle competition before it gets off the ground.
 
2017-10-05 10:18:30 PM  
I have tears developing from the epic bout of giggle fits this has given me. This is preposterous.
 
2017-10-06 07:10:40 AM  
Don't smoke drugs if you are a nutter.

Only a mad person would think otherwise.
 
2017-10-06 07:31:56 AM  

dready zim: Don't smoke drugs if you are a nutter.

Only a mad person would think otherwise.


I am a nutter, and alcohol makes me violent. Cannabis calms me.

/diagnosed as bi-polar with schizoaffective disorder in 2001, been locked up over 2 1/2 years at various times
 
2017-10-06 07:35:32 AM  

johnphantom: dready zim: Don't smoke drugs if you are a nutter.

Only a mad person would think otherwise.

I am a nutter, and alcohol makes me violent. Cannabis calms me.

/diagnosed as bi-polar with schizoaffective disorder in 2001, been locked up over 2 1/2 years at various times


Also, "The academics said the effect of cannabis use was clear and not diminished by other factors such as patients who were heavy drinkers of alcohol."

So alcohol was involved in some (at least) of the cases. My bet is it was the effect of alcohol that caused them to be violent, not the cannabis.
 
2017-10-06 10:53:22 AM  

johnphantom: dready zim: Don't smoke drugs if you are a nutter.

Only a mad person would think otherwise.

I am a nutter, and alcohol makes me violent. Cannabis calms me.

/diagnosed as bi-polar with schizoaffective disorder in 2001, been locked up over 2 1/2 years at various times


...
 
2017-10-06 11:14:21 AM  

dready zim: johnphantom: dready zim: Don't smoke drugs if you are a nutter.

Only a mad person would think otherwise.

I am a nutter, and alcohol makes me violent. Cannabis calms me.

/diagnosed as bi-polar with schizoaffective disorder in 2001, been locked up over 2 1/2 years at various times

...


Yeah? I bet you think alcohol is just dandy.
 
2017-10-06 03:16:45 PM  
Nobody tell The English Major about this.
 
2017-10-06 04:36:38 PM  
The actual study in question, since linking to source data ruins clickbait:
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/319506933_Persistency_of_Can​n​abis_Use_Predicts_Violence_following_Acute_Psychiatric_Discharge

From the conclusion:

"These results add to our understanding of the negative consequences of chronic cannabis use amid psychiatric patients."
 
2017-10-06 08:58:54 PM  
Who is the Daily Mail?

Right wing bullshiat dispensary.

Who is Karen Gyngall?

Former TV producer, widow of Margaret Thatcher's favourite TV broadcaster, turned right wing operative. Used to write about "family values", now fronts a think tank.

http://powerbase.info/index.php/Kathryn_Gyngell

Who is the Centre for Policy Studies think-tank?

Tory think-tank.

The Daily Mail, and Tories and Thnk Tanks, oh my!

Follow the yellow brick road.


But let us look at the article in more detail.

List of six violent people who heavily used marijuana:

1. Schizophrenic
2. Schizophrenic kung fu champion
3. Schizophrenic cage fighter, thought his victim was Adolf Hitler or a demon in the form of an old lady
4. Schizophrenic office worker who stabbed a prostitute
5. Psychotic Muslim extremist
6. Schizophrenic who stabbed a homeless person, alcoholic as well as marijuana user

Yeah, must be the Mary Jane. What other explanations could there be?

I have a mentally ill close relation who is prone to becoming extremely angry and violent.

Diagnosed by six professionals as suffering from seven different kinds of mental illness. This person is a pot user.

Personally I suspect that the pot is self-medication. Any other drugs involved may be a very bad idea, including alcohol if in fact this person consumes any. I would not say that the seven different kinds of mental illness play no role in this person's violent outbreaks, and I would not say that the marijuana can be considered a major factor. I don't go to those parties. I don't know what other drugs are involved. I am not competent to make a medical or psychiatric diagnosis, I can just see the effects.

When you accuse a five-month old baby of doing something intentionally to make you look bad, you are pretty narking futz perhaps. I don't know. I can not say. I am not playing doctor on TV or the web. Nor am I a trained medical professional, or else I would not hazard a diagnosis without a medical examination, an interview and a thorough look at possible confounding factors, such as genetics, environment, and medical conditions.

This article is bullshiat and contains all the information needed to refute itself.

I will finish with a reputable study of my own finding (my emphasis by bolding and font size changes):

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22455101

J Drug Educ. 2011;41(4):369-89.
Does marijuana use lead to aggression and violent behavior?
Ostrowsky MK1.
Author information
Abstract
Marijuana use and violent behavior are causing widespread public concern. This article reviews theory and research on the relation between marijuana use and aggressive/violent behavior. It is evident from the inconsistent findings in the literature that the exact nature of the relation remains unclear. This article identifies several possible reasons for these contradictory findings and provides suggestions for future research. In particular, more research is needed on the different subtypes of aggressive behavior. Further research is also needed to elucidate the associations between gender, marijuana use, and violent behavior. Likewise, an important task for future research is to continue to tease apart the complex relations between gang involvement, marijuana use, and violent behavior. Longitudinal studies also warrant further investigation. Moreover, future research should control for several potentially confounding variables.
PMID:

22455101

DOI:

10.2190/DE.41.4.c
[Indexed for MEDLINE]

Not that the link is to the National Center for Biotechnology Information (NCBI), the US Library of Medical Information and the National Institutes of Health. Note that this seems to indicate a peer-reviewed process and context. Note the Journal citation which substantiates this peer-reviewed article.

Peer-reviewed literature: inconsistent, unclear, contradictory.

Right-wing operative of right wing think tank in right wing newspaper:  MARIJUANA MAKES PEOPLE MURDERERS.

Insanely violent schizophrenic-psychotic people, that is. After they get drunk or go totally psychotic or schizophrenic delusional.

My conclusion:  somebody is on drugs. They must be huffing the right wing Tory Goof Balls. They should be careful or they might POKE AN EYE OUT.
 
2017-10-06 09:00:22 PM  
Or you could go with Sherkener's thesis that the study is based on violent psychiatric patients. To be honest I did not read his analysis before making my own. The results seem to conform in both cases.
 
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