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2017-10-05 09:54:35 AM  
Oh now you've done it. A sacred cow has been insulted and all the addicts are going to come pouring in to defend their habit.

//runs out giggling
 
2017-10-05 10:05:12 AM  
God dammit, Daily Mail. Now I have to question the existence of marijuana.

 And after a lifetime spending tens of thousands of dollars on it!
 
2017-10-05 10:10:47 AM  
Conclusion: These findings are particularly relevant as they suggest that the longer individuals report having used cannabis after a psychiatric discharge, the more likely they are of being violent in the following time waves. These results add to our understanding of the negative consequences of chronic cannabis use amid psychiatric patients.

Wait, wait, wait, you're trying to tell me that giving mind-altering drugs to people whose mind is already unbalanced could lead to negative consequences?!

/We've known about that shiat for years
//Fark off Daily Fail
 
2017-10-05 10:11:07 AM  
flucto: Oh now you've done it. A sacred cow has been insulted and all the addicts schizophrenics are going to come pouring in to defend their habit. mental disorder.

//runs out giggling embarrassed

ftfy.

The latest study by five researchers from institutes based in Montreal, Canada, examined the lives of 1,136 men and women who were patients at psychiatric hospitals in Missouri, Pittsburgh and Massachusetts.
 
2017-10-05 10:11:16 AM  
FTA:
The latest study by five researchers from institutes based in Montreal, Canada, examined the lives of 1,136 men and women who were patients at psychiatric hospitals in Missouri, Pittsburgh and Massachusetts.
I think the takeaway here is that psychiatric patients shouldn't be smoking weed. Probably shouldn't be drinking or doing other drugs either (unless prescribed)... just to play it safe.
 
2017-10-05 10:12:16 AM  
That shiat doesn't agree with me. I'm a raging drunk but I don't touch weed. But I know a few potheads and they're the most mellow people I know. causation/correlation, all that shiat. Maybe violent people also smoke weed. That doesn't mean that weed causes people to be violent. This is shiat spewed out by the pharmaceutical industry, that causes a lot more damage that weed.
 
2017-10-05 10:27:20 AM  
Amazing what articles/headlines get approved..
 
2017-10-05 10:27:25 AM  
That's like saying that mentally unbalanced persons shouldn't be allowed to have guns.
 
2017-10-05 10:28:27 AM  

Destructor: I think the takeaway here is that psychiatric patients shouldn't be smoking weed.


I traded in my xanax for weed. I'm not going back, because the benefits remain even when I'm not high. I don't even remember the last time I had a panic attack, and I used to have to take xanax every time I left the house.

I think the takeaway here is that people should never read the Daily Fail.
 
2017-10-05 10:28:41 AM  

Mugato: That shiat doesn't agree with me. I'm a raging drunk but I don't touch weed. But I know a few potheads and they're the most mellow people I know. causation/correlation, all that shiat. Maybe violent people also smoke weed. That doesn't mean that weed causes people to be violent. This is shiat spewed out by the pharmaceutical industry, that causes a lot more damage that weed.


I've been around a LOT of pot smokers since circa 1995.  Never once have I seen a violent act.  Anecdotal and all that but yeah I don't see it.
 
2017-10-05 10:32:36 AM  
I thought it was weird the article dodged around who did the study and who was included in the sample until about half way done.

Are we using psychaitric in-patients to make judgements on the effects of pharmaceuticals on the general populace too?  Seems like it might be a little odd to use such strange sample pool to draw larger comparisons.

I can't imagine the scientists who were behind this study are intending for it to be used for anything other than looking at the effects of marijuana on the mentally ill.  If their intention is to draw conclusions about the general public, they've very poor scientists or being paid by an entity that wants to stop legalization.
 
2017-10-05 10:32:40 AM  
So violent drunks were still violent when drunk and they have them smoke pot? Violent psychiatric patients still had violent tendencies after getting high?  Rapists still wanted to rape after getting high?

I'm no scientist but I believe I found a flaw in their data pool.
 
2017-10-05 10:33:58 AM  
Research using psychiatric patients is very unlikely to be generalizable to the general population.  This should be intuitively obvious for anyone who thinks about it for at most five seconds.
 
2017-10-05 10:37:08 AM  

nekom: Mugato: That shiat doesn't agree with me. I'm a raging drunk but I don't touch weed. But I know a few potheads and they're the most mellow people I know. causation/correlation, all that shiat. Maybe violent people also smoke weed. That doesn't mean that weed causes people to be violent. This is shiat spewed out by the pharmaceutical industry, that causes a lot more damage that weed.

I've been around a LOT of pot smokers since circa 1995.  Never once have I seen a violent act.  Anecdotal and all that but yeah I don't see it.


The same, but since 1970.
 
2017-10-05 10:37:11 AM  

skinnycatullus: I traded in my xanax for weed. I'm not going back, because the benefits remain even when I'm not high. I don't even remember the last time I had a panic attack, and I used to have to take xanax every time I left the house.

I think the takeaway here is that people should never read the Daily Fail.


I stand corrected.

Gotta evaluate cannabis like any other drug. On a case by case basis. How's that grab you? :-)
 
2017-10-05 10:37:25 AM  
Here are just a few of the innocent people attacked:
img.fark.net

The number of unprovoked biting attacks is truly shocking.
 
2017-10-05 10:39:20 AM  

Destructor: skinnycatullus: I traded in my xanax for weed. I'm not going back, because the benefits remain even when I'm not high. I don't even remember the last time I had a panic attack, and I used to have to take xanax every time I left the house.

I think the takeaway here is that people should never read the Daily Fail.

I stand corrected.

Gotta evaluate cannabis like any other drug. On a case by case basis. How's that grab you? :-)


I'm not sure it needs to be that specific.  But if you're going to use a study to draw conclusions about a population, you have to sample that entire population not a very specific subset of it that may have an atypical reaction to what you're testing.
 
2017-10-05 10:40:13 AM  

HST's Dead Carcass: So violent drunks were still violent when drunk and they have them smoke pot? Violent psychiatric patients still had violent tendencies after getting high?  Rapists still wanted to rape after getting high?

I'm no scientist but I believe I found a flaw in their data pool.


Hell yeah.
And they tell folks not to self-medicate for a reason. However, there are certain conditions like anxiety where people get prescribed medical mj after diagnosis and with ongoing monitoring.
 
2017-10-05 10:41:34 AM  

Mercutio74: Destructor: skinnycatullus: I traded in my xanax for weed. I'm not going back, because the benefits remain even when I'm not high. I don't even remember the last time I had a panic attack, and I used to have to take xanax every time I left the house.

I think the takeaway here is that people should never read the Daily Fail.

I stand corrected.

Gotta evaluate cannabis like any other drug. On a case by case basis. How's that grab you? :-)

I'm not sure it needs to be that specific.  But if you're going to use a study to draw conclusions about a population, you have to sample that entire population not a very specific subset of it that may have an atypical reaction to what you're testing.


That would like sampling farkers and determining that 90% are socially awkward overweight neckbeards therefore 90% of the general population is socially awkward overweight neckbeards.
 
2017-10-05 10:42:40 AM  
Is this a joke?
 
2017-10-05 10:45:26 AM  
Oh boy, another scientific study that will be countered by another scientific study that says the exact opposite

These made for Media  "studies" need to be banned
 
2017-10-05 10:47:44 AM  

scottydoesntknow: Conclusion: These findings are particularly relevant as they suggest that the longer individuals report having used cannabis after a psychiatric discharge, the more likely they are of being violent in the following time waves. These results add to our understanding of the negative consequences of chronic cannabis use amid psychiatric patients.

Wait, wait, wait, you're trying to tell me that giving mind-altering drugs to people whose mind is already unbalanced could lead to negative consequences?!

/We've known about that shiat for years
//Fark off Daily Fail


I was sort of expecting it would be the fact that use of it required illegal activity which in and of itself is a big risk factor for violence.   But that problem is far worse.

And we have reported use which itself is questionable as not everyone tells the truth when asked are you smoking pot.

/This bad research notwithstanding, I would say don't smoke it unless you really do have a medical condition that causes problems not easily otherwise solved.
 
2017-10-05 10:48:00 AM  
I understand that cannabis usage can trigger psychotic episodes in people who suffer from schizophrenia. Spice and Bath Salts are worse, of course.

When is any (non-prescribed) mind-altering substance a good idea for mentally ill people?
 
2017-10-05 10:53:31 AM  

rcain: Oh boy, another scientific study that will be countered by another scientific study that says the exact opposite

These made for Media  "studies" need to be banned


Or at least studied.
 
2017-10-05 11:03:02 AM  
You should have seen the way they attacked that bag of Funyons.  Like a pack of wild animals.  The horror.  The horror.
 
2017-10-05 11:04:45 AM  

nekom: Mugato: That shiat doesn't agree with me. I'm a raging drunk but I don't touch weed. But I know a few potheads and they're the most mellow people I know. causation/correlation, all that shiat. Maybe violent people also smoke weed. That doesn't mean that weed causes people to be violent. This is shiat spewed out by the pharmaceutical industry, that causes a lot more damage that weed.

I've been around a LOT of pot smokers since circa 1995.  Never once have I seen a violent act.  Anecdotal and all that but yeah I don't see it.


On the other hand, if I go solely based on my person experience, I could say the same about drunk people.

Heard plenty of stories, sure, but despite being around plenty of drunk people, I've never been around a drunk person who was being violent.
 
2017-10-05 11:10:39 AM  
Marijuana Hyperemesis is no fun.
 
2017-10-05 11:11:06 AM  
The latest study by five researchers from institutes based in Montreal, Canada, examined the lives of 1,136 men and women who were patients at psychiatric hospitals in Missouri, Pittsburgh and Massachusetts

Funny how it took over half the article before revealing that little gem.
 
2017-10-05 11:11:39 AM  

sigdiamond2000: Is this a joke?


The Daily Fail?  Yes, it is a joke.  Why do you ask?
 
2017-10-05 11:13:52 AM  

Delta1212: On the other hand, if I go solely based on my person experience, I could say the same about drunk people.

Heard plenty of stories, sure, but despite being around plenty of drunk people, I've never been around a drunk person who was being violen


Neither have I. Being a drunk myself, I just get absent minded and talk too much. They say being drunk just brings out your latent personality and I don't hang out with violent assholes. Weed's pretty much the same thing, based on the stoners I know.
 
2017-10-05 11:14:16 AM  
Obligatory:
s2.quickmeme.com
 
2017-10-05 11:14:42 AM  
Delta1212:

Heard plenty of stories, sure, but despite being around plenty of drunk people, I've never been around a drunk person who was being violent.

You hanging out in the wrong bars. In my younger days, I saw plenty of drunken brawls. My experience being around MJ is more limited, but the parties I went to where it was abundant were quite peaceful.

/ anecdotal
 
2017-10-05 11:15:44 AM  
I'm no journalist but it seems to me that the violence was caused by the schizophrenia.  I don't know, maybe I'm just reading it wrong.  After all, the Daily Mail's reporting is world-renowned for its accuracy.
 
2017-10-05 11:15:49 AM  
Turning all our children into hooligans and whores?

/great musical
 
2017-10-05 11:16:56 AM  
Reefer madness can occur from Bogarting.  Otherwise, it's all mellow...
djmjd.files.wordpress.com
Don't Bogart That Joint!
Youtube EvGJvzwKqg0
 
2017-10-05 11:17:38 AM  
Mugato:
Neither have I. Being a drunk myself, I just get absent minded and talk too much. They say being drunk just brings out your latent personality and I don't hang out with violent assholes. Weed's pretty much the same thing, based on the stoners I know.

Yup. I don't get drunk, but when I drink I get happy and chatty, two things that don't necessarily describe me when not drinking.
 
2017-10-05 11:19:46 AM  

Nick Nostril: Delta1212:

Heard plenty of stories, sure, but despite being around plenty of drunk people, I've never been around a drunk person who was being violent.

You hanging out in the wrong bars. In my younger days, I saw plenty of drunken brawls. My experience being around MJ is more limited, but the parties I went to where it was abundant were quite peaceful.

/ anecdotal


I was at a party when I was in highschool where a kid knocked over some guys weed while walking past him. He got his ass kicked pretty bad.
 
2017-10-05 11:22:15 AM  
They're using schizophrenics as examples?
 
2017-10-05 11:22:42 AM  
I'd be interested in an explanation of how they proved causality here .
 
2017-10-05 11:22:46 AM  

Delta1212: nekom: Mugato: That shiat doesn't agree with me. I'm a raging drunk but I don't touch weed. But I know a few potheads and they're the most mellow people I know. causation/correlation, all that shiat. Maybe violent people also smoke weed. That doesn't mean that weed causes people to be violent. This is shiat spewed out by the pharmaceutical industry, that causes a lot more damage that weed.

I've been around a LOT of pot smokers since circa 1995.  Never once have I seen a violent act.  Anecdotal and all that but yeah I don't see it.

On the other hand, if I go solely based on my person experience, I could say the same about drunk people.

Heard plenty of stories, sure, but despite being around plenty of drunk people, I've never been around a drunk person who was being violent.


Work at a bar for a month or two, then get back to us.

/10+ years working in a sports bar.
 
2017-10-05 11:28:41 AM  

abhorrent1: They're using schizophrenics as examples?


Or test subjects.

/It depends on who you ask.
 
2017-10-05 11:30:40 AM  

abhorrent1: They're using schizophrenics as examples?


While researching skin cancer rates in the African American community back in college, we would only accept  albinos.  This totally makes sense to me.
 
2017-10-05 11:31:06 AM  

MrSplifferton: Marijuana Hyperemesis is no fun.


Fortunately, there's a cure for that.
 
2017-10-05 11:34:17 AM  
History of the World Part 1 BULLSHIT
Youtube sOlDiIbtxE8
 
2017-10-05 11:37:23 AM  

Destructor: abhorrent1: They're using schizophrenics as examples?

Or test subjects.

/It depends on who you ask.


"I have an idea. Lets give crazy people weed and see what happens."
 
2017-10-05 11:40:24 AM  

Mister Buttons: Delta1212: nekom: Mugato: That shiat doesn't agree with me. I'm a raging drunk but I don't touch weed. But I know a few potheads and they're the most mellow people I know. causation/correlation, all that shiat. Maybe violent people also smoke weed. That doesn't mean that weed causes people to be violent. This is shiat spewed out by the pharmaceutical industry, that causes a lot more damage that weed.

I've been around a LOT of pot smokers since circa 1995.  Never once have I seen a violent act.  Anecdotal and all that but yeah I don't see it.

On the other hand, if I go solely based on my person experience, I could say the same about drunk people.

Heard plenty of stories, sure, but despite being around plenty of drunk people, I've never been around a drunk person who was being violent.

Work at a bar for a month or two, then get back to us.

/10+ years working in a sports bar.


Or go to a college house party. Worked in bars, worked house parties at my fraternity, saw many fights at both places.
 
2017-10-05 11:46:45 AM  

max_pooper: Mercutio74: Destructor: skinnycatullus: I traded in my xanax for weed. I'm not going back, because the benefits remain even when I'm not high. I don't even remember the last time I had a panic attack, and I used to have to take xanax every time I left the house.

I think the takeaway here is that people should never read the Daily Fail.

I stand corrected.

Gotta evaluate cannabis like any other drug. On a case by case basis. How's that grab you? :-)

I'm not sure it needs to be that specific.  But if you're going to use a study to draw conclusions about a population, you have to sample that entire population not a very specific subset of it that may have an atypical reaction to what you're testing.

That would like sampling farkers and determining that 90% are socially awkward overweight neckbeards therefore 90% of the general population is socially awkward overweight neckbeards.


I'll have you know I'm clean shaven!

/and not that overweight...
//slinks away
///three slashies for extra protection!
 
2017-10-05 11:47:38 AM  

Mister Buttons: abhorrent1: They're using schizophrenics as examples?

While researching skin cancer rates in the African American community back in college, we would only accept  albinos.  This totally makes sense to me.


Oooh...selection bias FTW
 
2017-10-05 11:48:41 AM  
Reefer Madness (film) - Listen To Jesus Jimmy (best quality)
Youtube nFZCpSVTWCs


Smoking reefer makes the angels cry
 
2017-10-05 11:55:18 AM  
blah blah blah... SKUNK CANNIBIS! blah blah blah... SKUNK CANNIBIS!
nerdy, conservative teetotaling article writer that doesn't get invited to parties much?
 
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