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2017-10-05 07:52:38 AM  
This is going to (hopefully) give Alex Jones an aneurysm -- is it the same jet fuel that couldn't melt steel beams on 9/11?
 
2017-10-05 07:58:24 AM  
You need SFX for that

/I guess you could go with CGI, but it never looks real to me
 
2017-10-05 08:09:17 AM  
Two rounds?

He put 200 into the hallway door.

Somehow it seems unlikely this was a thought-out effort to blow shiat up...
 
2017-10-05 08:50:31 AM  
"Jet fuel itself sitting there in a big wet pile is very hard to ignite. You have to be a very amateur terrorist to think anything like that."

Well, duh. He wasn't a terrorist at all. He was a lone wolf.
 
2017-10-05 09:02:38 AM  
Yeah.  It's a pain to ignite.

CSB: I was once helping the EOD pukes at an airshow set up the fake bomb drops.  We had reclaimed fuel (JP7 I think).  Someone taped 10 blocks of C4 together pancake style and made about 12 of these.  We would drop the "pancakes" on the ground and put a big cardboard box on top of it then line the box with a heavy mil bag, tape the shiat out of it, then fill it with fuel (about 50+ gallons).  We then sat three milk jugs filled with fuel about 5-feet away from the large container and connected everything with det cord (in a certain sequence).  The idea was that the milk jugs would blow apart and ignite and set the larger container on fire as the C4 blew it to shiat.  I remember remarking that I thought the milk jugs were too close to the large container.  When we set it off, only 2 of the 12 ignited.  The rest blew fuel all over the damn place.  Then we had to clean it up because nothing burned.  The fire team was laughing their ass off at us.  I smelled like jet fuel the rest of the day.
 
2017-10-05 09:26:40 AM  

Mr. Coffee Nerves: This is going to (hopefully) give Alex Jones an aneurysm -- is it the same jet fuel that couldn't melt steel beams on 9/11?


Jet fuel alone cannot melt steel beams. The melting was caused when the chemtrail solution on those planes MIXED with the jet fuel. Study it out.
 
2017-10-05 09:33:08 AM  
Ftfa:"high-stakes gambler and real estate investor..."

They could have just said he was an asshole and we'd have gotten the idea.
 
2017-10-05 09:36:00 AM  

wejash: Two rounds?

He put 200 into the hallway door.

Somehow it seems unlikely this was a thought-out effort to blow shiat up...


If he hit anything that big with only two rounds, it means he missed with those two rounds.  Bump-fire stocks do a good job of simulating an automatic weapon except when it comes to accuracy.
 
2017-10-05 09:38:11 AM  

Uncle Eazy: Mr. Coffee Nerves: This is going to (hopefully) give Alex Jones an aneurysm -- is it the same jet fuel that couldn't melt steel beams on 9/11?

Jet fuel alone cannot melt steel beams. The melting was caused when the chemtrail solution on those planes MIXED with the jet fuel. Study it out.


We should have vinegar-filled jet fuel fire extinguishers in skyscrapers to prevent that from happening again.
 
2017-10-05 09:40:58 AM  
...it's almost as if this wasn't a highly trained operator, and instead a schmuck with delusions of grandeur who based his attack on a movie that was running in his head...

Or that he sent a couple of odd shots in that direction and two hit the tanks, and considering the range, it's amazing that he hit them at all.
 
2017-10-05 09:47:23 AM  

Uncle Eazy: Mr. Coffee Nerves: This is going to (hopefully) give Alex Jones an aneurysm -- is it the same jet fuel that couldn't melt steel beams on 9/11?

Jet fuel alone cannot melt steel beams. The melting was caused when the chemtrail solution on those planes MIXED with the jet fuel. Study it out.


Look, we can get bogged down in weird science arguments all day and for years--but it won't change the fact that President Obama's administration thought they could get away with those attacks and lies to the American people about what really happened.
 
2017-10-05 09:52:29 AM  
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That kind of thing only works with propane.
 
2017-10-05 09:52:30 AM  

hubiestubert: ...it's almost as if this wasn't a highly trained operator, and instead a schmuck with delusions of grandeur who based his attack on a movie that was running in his head...

Or that he sent a couple of odd shots in that direction and two hit the tanks, and considering the range, it's amazing that he hit them at all.


Going with two.

I still think he was an old sleeper operative.  The guy was basically a ghost.  No info where his money came from, worked at Lockheed Martin and their vague statement "Well he worked here before it was Lockheed".
 
2017-10-05 09:52:57 AM  
Jet fuel does not have steel beam volatility.
 
2017-10-05 09:56:07 AM  

"sits there in a big wet pile"


O_o
 
2017-10-05 09:56:53 AM  

Uncle Eazy: Mr. Coffee Nerves: This is going to (hopefully) give Alex Jones an aneurysm -- is it the same jet fuel that couldn't melt steel beams on 9/11?

Jet fuel alone cannot melt steel beams. The melting was caused when the chemtrail solution on those planes MIXED with the jet fuel. Study it out.


You lying sack of goat feces, spreading fake news like this.  WTF, jackwagon?  CHEMTRAILS ARE NOT REAL.

Those towers were brought down by thermite and controlled charges and you know it.
 
2017-10-05 09:57:00 AM  
"Jet fuel itself sitting there in a big wet pile is very hard to ignite. You have to be a very amateur terrorist to think anything like that."

That's a pretty good Geraldo impersonation. Tell your enemies what won't work so they have a starting point towards successful ignition. Thanks bud.

/"that was a close one...we dodged a bullet"
 
2017-10-05 09:57:20 AM  

Pocket Ninja: "Jet fuel itself sitting there in a big wet pile is very hard to ignite. You have to be a very amateur terrorist to think anything like that."

Well, duh. He wasn't a terrorist at all. He was a lone wolf.


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It's the beard and brown skin that really makes a terrorist...
 
2017-10-05 09:57:26 AM  
If somebody shot me a couple times I'd probably sit there in a bit wet pile, too.
 
2017-10-05 09:58:12 AM  
I actually watched a thing about this the other day when they were discussing the SR-71, which yes I know uses a different type of jet fuel. They talked about how engineers would stand under the plane while it was leaking fuel smoking,then drop their lit cigarette into the fuel to put it out.
 
2017-10-05 09:58:34 AM  
Well it would be stupid to put anything into a container that could easily be penetrated with a bullet , resulting in a massive explosion.   Question - would a tracer round ignite  it?
 
2017-10-05 09:58:34 AM  

Douggernaut: If somebody shot me a couple times I'd probably sit there in a bit wet pile, too.


BIG wet pile, Goddammit.  Way to shiat the bed on a simple joke, me.
 
2017-10-05 09:58:52 AM  

theflatline: hubiestubert: ...it's almost as if this wasn't a highly trained operator, and instead a schmuck with delusions of grandeur who based his attack on a movie that was running in his head...

Or that he sent a couple of odd shots in that direction and two hit the tanks, and considering the range, it's amazing that he hit them at all.

Going with two.

I still think he was an old sleeper operative.  The guy was basically a ghost.  No info where his money came from, worked at Lockheed Martin and their vague statement "Well he worked here before it was Lockheed".


Because the simple answer of "he was crazy" is just too easy?
 
2017-10-05 09:59:02 AM  

Englebert Slaptyback: "sits there in a big wet pile"


O_o


No one does good English anymore.
 
2017-10-05 09:59:52 AM  
I couldn't read the article because the capital one full screen ad that kept loading and bogging down my phone.
 
2017-10-05 10:00:53 AM  
Sounds like stray shots that hit the tank.

If his intention really was to blow up the tank, he likely would have kept shooting it until it exploded.  He wouldn't have taken 2 shots, shrugged, and moved on.
 
2017-10-05 10:01:27 AM  

Uncle Eazy: Mr. Coffee Nerves: This is going to (hopefully) give Alex Jones an aneurysm -- is it the same jet fuel that couldn't melt steel beams on 9/11?

Jet fuel alone cannot melt steel beams. The melting was caused when the chemtrail solution on those planes MIXED with the jet fuel. Study it out.


I'm pretty sure you need to add small pox vaccines to get the best explosion.
 
2017-10-05 10:02:12 AM  

WillJM8528: Englebert Slaptyback: "sits there in a big wet pile"


O_o

No one does good English anymore.


No one speaks English well anymore.

/That's the joke
 
2017-10-05 10:03:23 AM  
*shrug* I guess he never watched MythBusters.
 
2017-10-05 10:04:22 AM  
Clark County Sheriff Joseph Lombardo said it's difficult to believe Paddock acted alone in the attack on the audience of an outdoor concert.
Lombardo said that items confiscated from Paddock included 1,600 rounds of ammunition and several containers of an explosive commonly used in target shooting that totaled 50 pounds.


If only there were some means of assisted conveyance to allow people to move heavy objects such as luggage or guns.  I know its a crazy idea and I'm probably putting the cart before the horse in my thinking.
 
2017-10-05 10:05:05 AM  
Why were there tanks of jet fuel on the Las Vegas Strip?
 
2017-10-05 10:05:11 AM  

Warthog: Uncle Eazy: Mr. Coffee Nerves: This is going to (hopefully) give Alex Jones an aneurysm -- is it the same jet fuel that couldn't melt steel beams on 9/11?

Jet fuel alone cannot melt steel beams. The melting was caused when the chemtrail solution on those planes MIXED with the jet fuel. Study it out.

You lying sack of goat feces, spreading fake news like this.  WTF, jackwagon?  CHEMTRAILS ARE NOT REAL.

Those towers were brought down by thermite and controlled charges and you know it.


But my cousin said he and his buddies were paid $50/hour to go into the buildings, a month after the fires were put out, with sledge hammers after the plane crash to smash the supports causing the building to collapse.  Then they just spliced the images together for the fake news!
 
2017-10-05 10:06:35 AM  

Pocket Ninja: "Jet fuel itself sitting there in a big wet pile is very hard to ignite. You have to be a very amateur terrorist to think anything like that."

Well, duh. He wasn't a terrorist at all. He was a lone wolf.


So where's Cub?  Where is Cub?!
 
2017-10-05 10:06:39 AM  
He should have aimed for the chemtrail storage tanks.
 
2017-10-05 10:06:50 AM  

durbnpoisn: Sounds like stray shots that hit the tank.

If his intention really was to blow up the tank, he likely would have kept shooting it until it exploded.  He wouldn't have taken 2 shots, shrugged, and moved on.


I think he was expecting a Hollywood style explosion from one shot, and when that didn't happen, he moved on.
People watch too many movies and think they're realistic.
That's why you have so many people with their panties in a bunch over suppressors, cause they think they make gunshots sound like a wet fart.
 
2017-10-05 10:07:37 AM  

Milos Hattrick: Why were there tanks of jet fuel on the Las Vegas Strip?


this
 
2017-10-05 10:08:19 AM  
FTA:
"Lombardo said that items confiscated from Paddock included 1,600 rounds of ammunition and several containers of an explosive"

Confiscated? No. You don't "confiscate" things from dead people. I think the word they're looking for is "recovered."
 
2017-10-05 10:09:09 AM  

Uncle Eazy: Mr. Coffee Nerves: This is going to (hopefully) give Alex Jones an aneurysm -- is it the same jet fuel that couldn't melt steel beams on 9/11?

Jet fuel alone cannot melt steel beams. The melting was caused when the chemtrail solution on those planes MIXED with the jet fuel. Study it out.


Your flag, it is false, sir.

Are you a Freemason?  You smell like one....
 
2017-10-05 10:09:19 AM  

NotThatGuyAgain: theflatline: hubiestubert: ...it's almost as if this wasn't a highly trained operator, and instead a schmuck with delusions of grandeur who based his attack on a movie that was running in his head...

Or that he sent a couple of odd shots in that direction and two hit the tanks, and considering the range, it's amazing that he hit them at all.

Going with two.

I still think he was an old sleeper operative.  The guy was basically a ghost.  No info where his money came from, worked at Lockheed Martin and their vague statement "Well he worked here before it was Lockheed".

Because the simple answer of "he was crazy" is just too easy?


Alex Jones: Occam's Big Red Sledgehammer
 
2017-10-05 10:09:54 AM  

guestguy: Pocket Ninja: "Jet fuel itself sitting there in a big wet pile is very hard to ignite. You have to be a very amateur terrorist to think anything like that."

Well, duh. He wasn't a terrorist at all. He was a lone wolf.

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It's the beard and brown skin that really makes a terrorist...


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2017-10-05 10:10:13 AM  
2 rounds?

I'm going to go with he wasn't trying to shoot the tanks of jet fuel. Maybe recoil, maybe ricochets, maybe two hit tanks by chance and they aren't reporting the line of bullets to the right and left of the tanks, maybe those rounds were shot while trying to unjam one of his weapons, but when he was spraying a crowd with hundreds of bullets during something that clearly had a certain level of planning I'm filing this under "BS non story" To quote article "You have to be a very amateur terrorist"- well, you have to be a very amateur writer to write this article, but hey, Fox news.
 
2017-10-05 10:10:18 AM  
If anyone hasn't seen this yet.   This guy was scary.. This is now the 2nd additional concert he booked a room directly in firing range of the main grounds.

http://www.tmz.com/2017/10/05/stephen-paddock-booked-hotel-lollapaloo​z​a-music-festival-chicago-vegas/
 
2017-10-05 10:10:29 AM  

UberDave: Yeah.  It's a pain to ignite.

CSB: I was once helping the EOD pukes at an airshow set up the fake bomb drops.  We had reclaimed fuel (JP7 I think).  Someone taped 10 blocks of C4 together pancake style and made about 12 of these.  We would drop the "pancakes" on the ground and put a big cardboard box on top of it then line the box with a heavy mil bag, tape the shiat out of it, then fill it with fuel (about 50+ gallons).  We then sat three milk jugs filled with fuel about 5-feet away from the large container and connected everything with det cord (in a certain sequence).  The idea was that the milk jugs would blow apart and ignite and set the larger container on fire as the C4 blew it to shiat.  I remember remarking that I thought the milk jugs were too close to the large container.  When we set it off, only 2 of the 12 ignited.  The rest blew fuel all over the damn place.  Then we had to clean it up because nothing burned.  The fire team was laughing their ass off at us.  I smelled like jet fuel the rest of the day.


I used to work for a jet fuel distributor that sold to the military and airlines. The aviation gas that goes in small prop planes is super flammable but the Jet-A and specialized mixtures are designed to burn super hot. The whole point is that they're extremely volatile at high temperatures; like in a high performance jet engine. Almost every jet engine ever is designed to use the engine heat to vaporize the fuel before it reaches the ignition point so it burns explosively and efficiently.
The fact that they don't ignite when you shoot them, smoke around them or spill them is actually somewhat of a safety feature.
I've heard anecdotes of big bags of fuel taking direct mortar hits in Iraq and not igniting, just making a big mess.
 
2017-10-05 10:11:09 AM  

thehobbes: Milos Hattrick: Why were there tanks of jet fuel on the Las Vegas Strip?

this


Because that's where the party is at.
https://www.reviewjournal.com/local/the-strip/las-vegas-strip-shooter​-​targeted-aviation-fuel-tanks-source-says/
 
2017-10-05 10:12:22 AM  
 
2017-10-05 10:12:36 AM  
Did I miss how they said they knew he was aiming at them? I don't think I saw in there how they knew he was aiming for the tanks specifically. It seems more likely he hit them accidentally unless they have specific reason to think he aimed at them.

Also...where's the tape? What's on it? He taped the whole thing, deliberately and with malice aforethought, he obviously had a reason for doing this and it's on those tapes. Someone's looked through the tapes yet we supposedly still don't know.

Why? Protecting the investigation...maybe. Protecting something else...maybe.
 
2017-10-05 10:12:42 AM  

zpaul: Well it would be stupid to put anything into a container that could easily be penetrated with a bullet , resulting in a massive explosion.   Question - would a tracer round ignite  it?


I'd think you'd have to get REALLY lucky (have the stream of escaping jet fuel from previous bullet strikes pass VERY close to the tracer round, or be REALLY good (get the tracer rounds to roughly the same area as the rest of the rounds fired, a pretty tight grouping).  At that range, with that gear (and ostensibly with his lack of training), being really good is right out.

Plus, tracers have the downside of exposing your position.  I don't know if he was making any effort to mask his muzzle flashes by firing further inside the room, but seeing a line of tracer fire coming out of Mandalay would alert anyone pretty goddamn quick that this is where the asshole is.
 
2017-10-05 10:13:12 AM  

NotThatGuyAgain: theflatline: hubiestubert: ...it's almost as if this wasn't a highly trained operator, and instead a schmuck with delusions of grandeur who based his attack on a movie that was running in his head...

Or that he sent a couple of odd shots in that direction and two hit the tanks, and considering the range, it's amazing that he hit them at all.

Going with two.

I still think he was an old sleeper operative.  The guy was basically a ghost.  No info where his money came from, worked at Lockheed Martin and their vague statement "Well he worked here before it was Lockheed".

Because the simple answer of "he was crazy" is just too easy?


Also, wasn't he an accountant? Don't accountants make decent money?

Why do people have to see conspiracy theories in everything? Why can't people accept that some people are evil, and others simply snap and go insane? It happens.

/one bad day...
 
2017-10-05 10:13:31 AM  

Milos Hattrick: Why were there tanks of jet fuel on the Las Vegas Strip?


that end of the strip is where the airport is...
 
2017-10-05 10:14:22 AM  

Soon Right Away: Uncle Eazy: Mr. Coffee Nerves: This is going to (hopefully) give Alex Jones an aneurysm -- is it the same jet fuel that couldn't melt steel beams on 9/11?

Jet fuel alone cannot melt steel beams. The melting was caused when the chemtrail solution on those planes MIXED with the jet fuel. Study it out.

Look, we can get bogged down in weird science arguments all day and for years--but it won't change the fact that President Obama's administration thought they could get away with those attacks and lies to the American people about what really happened.


I'd like to get to the bottom of that. I wanna know where Obama was on 9/11. Probably golfing!
 
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