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(News.com.au)   Aside from the fact they're awful, what's the big problem that's been plaguing Tom Cruise's movies over the last decade?   ( news.com.au) divider line
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2017-10-05 06:39:55 AM  
They have Tom Cruise in them.
 
2017-10-05 07:36:09 AM  
Which has fark all to do with Cruise.
All male leading men rob the cradle.
Bond, James seduce your granddaughter Bond.
 
2017-10-05 07:43:32 AM  
Thetans.
 
2017-10-05 07:53:25 AM  
The couch jump heard 'round the world?
 
2017-10-05 07:55:28 AM  
Y'all might want to direct your ire elsewhere. Lots of old white guys playing olympic level athletes well into their 70's and bedding young women in Hollywood.
Cruise can kill you with his mind.
 
2017-10-05 07:56:15 AM  
I liked oblivion and edge of tomorrow.
 
2017-10-05 08:00:55 AM  
He is getting too old for the roles he is playing. Change him for Chris Pratt and the movie would have worked a little better.
 
2017-10-05 08:00:58 AM  
Could be worse.  Could be Mel Gibson movies.
 
2017-10-05 08:06:48 AM  
I knew it had something to do with beards.
 
2017-10-05 08:07:02 AM  
Cruise fatigue.

See also: Depp fatigue.
 
2017-10-05 08:08:20 AM  
Edge of Tomorrow was good. Doesn't need a sequel, but that's Hollywood
 
2017-10-05 08:11:12 AM  

You Are All Sheep: edge of tomorrow.


Normally, I got out of my way to avoid Cruise movies.  Choose not to support Scientology or their members. So much so that even when they are on cable, i tend to avoid them.  However, I was stuck in a hotel for a few days on business.  My viewing options weren't great and Edge Of Tomorrow was on.  I thought it was actually fairly well done and watched it again the next night.

/ third night I found a hockey game.
// yes, my "not supporting Scientology" is a bit much but I stand by it.
/// not a big TV / Movie person so it's fairly easy to keep to my principles regarding Scientology.
//// Cruise isn't the only one.  My Name Is Earl dude is on my list as well as others.
 
2017-10-05 08:11:39 AM  
I liked Jack Reacher.  There, I said it.
 
2017-10-05 08:12:01 AM  

ReaverZ: He is getting too old for the roles he is playing. Change him for Chris Pratt and the movie would have worked a little better.


This.  The Mummy had other issues but one of the biggest was his age was showing, the nude scene didn't help matters much in this respect.  Whats weirder is that the movie seemed to be attempting to set up a franchise which makes me wonder just how farking old is this supposedly active duty soldier (at the beginning) going to look by the time another movie is made?
 
2017-10-05 08:13:12 AM  
The trouble is he's perfected one type of film. Let's take a look:

Mission: Impossible - A traitor on the team forces Tom and the gang to go on the run to clear their names.
Mission: Impossible Two - Tom and the gang to go on the run to clear their names.
Mission: Impossible Three - A traitor on the team forces Tom to do stuff.
Mission: Impossible Four - A traitor at head quarters forces Tom and the gang to go on the run to clear their names.
Mission: Impossible Five - A traitor on some else's team Tom and the gang to go on the run to clear their names.

Notice anything?

Even his other work suffers from a depressing sameness. For example the comedy Knight and Day could have been a send up of his Mission: Impossible films. However, his character was basically Ethan Hunt played straight with the other characters in the film being the funny ones. With the same acting style, no comedy on his part, and even the same haircut, it was not different enough from Mission: Impossible to carve out its own space.

I've not see the Jack Reacher films but apparently in them he's an ex-military person acting as a private investigator who is at the centre of conspiracies where... you guessed it... he's on the run having to clear his name.
 
2017-10-05 08:15:56 AM  

LL316: I liked Jack Reacher.  There, I said it.


The thing about Jack Reacher is Tom Cruise isn't big enough to be getting into fist fights like that.  He's not nearly as physically imposing as the dialog he reads would suggest that he is.  IT's like the part was written for a different actor.  I enjoyed the movies well enough too though.
 
2017-10-05 08:16:02 AM  
In the first Jack Reacher, he's trying to clear the name of a horrible person who is nevertheless innocent of the crime he is accused of.  It's not a bad movie.

In the second Jack Reacher.... uhh... god, i forget.  That movie was so basic.  My brain refuses to remember it.
 
2017-10-05 08:16:39 AM  

Mission Impossible: Rogue NationReaverZ: He is getting too old for the roles he is playing. Change him for Chris Pratt and the movie would have worked a little better.


You think Edge of Tomorrow, MI: Rogue Nation, or Jack Reacher would have been better with Chris Pratt instead of Tom Cruise??
 
2017-10-05 08:19:35 AM  
I blame Xenu.
 
2017-10-05 08:20:18 AM  
Lead actor significantly older than lead actress. This discovery will surely send Hollywood all a-flutter.
 
2017-10-05 08:21:58 AM  

Egoy3k: LL316: I liked Jack Reacher.  There, I said it.

The thing about Jack Reacher is Tom Cruise isn't big enough to be getting into fist fights like that.  He's not nearly as physically imposing as the dialog he reads would suggest that he is.  IT's like the part was written for a different actor.  I enjoyed the movies well enough too though.


Bruce Lee, Jet Li,  Tony Jaa and a bunch of other seemingly little guys would like to have a word... right after they kick your ass:)

Seriously though, Cruise is believable as a fighter, he's in great shape and looks as tough as he's ever been.
 
2017-10-05 08:23:48 AM  

Egoy3k: LL316: I liked Jack Reacher.  There, I said it.

The thing about Jack Reacher is Tom Cruise isn't big enough to be getting into fist fights like that.  He's not nearly as physically imposing as the dialog he reads would suggest that he is.  IT's like the part was written for a different actor.  I enjoyed the movies well enough too though.


I'm not going to sit here and say I wouldn't have enjoyed it more if it were the Rock.  But I took his cocky attitude to mean he was confident in his fighting skills and he didn't care if anyone was intimidated by him or not.  Makes it easier to accept the dialog.
 
2017-10-05 08:29:01 AM  

theborg1of4: Egoy3k: LL316: I liked Jack Reacher.  There, I said it.

The thing about Jack Reacher is Tom Cruise isn't big enough to be getting into fist fights like that.  He's not nearly as physically imposing as the dialog he reads would suggest that he is.  IT's like the part was written for a different actor.  I enjoyed the movies well enough too though.

Bruce Lee, Jet Li,  Tony Jaa and a bunch of other seemingly little guys would like to have a word... right after they kick your ass:)

Seriously though, Cruise is believable as a fighter, he's in great shape and looks as tough as he's ever been.


Reacher is described as being 6 feet 5 inches (1.96 m) tall, weighing 210-250 pounds (95-113 kg) and having a 50-inch (130 cm) chest.

The original dialogue is written as if a wrestler is saying it, not a secret ninja.
 
2017-10-05 08:33:36 AM  
"the age gap widens between he and"

And stopped reading there.  So even the Australians are butchering the motherfarking language.
 
2017-10-05 08:34:47 AM  

You Are All Sheep: I liked oblivion and edge of tomorrow.


Edge of Tomorrow was good.  Other than that, I hope he saved his money because he's been circling the drain career wise for quite some time.
 
2017-10-05 08:35:08 AM  

theborg1of4: Egoy3k: LL316: I liked Jack Reacher.  There, I said it.

The thing about Jack Reacher is Tom Cruise isn't big enough to be getting into fist fights like that.  He's not nearly as physically imposing as the dialog he reads would suggest that he is.  IT's like the part was written for a different actor.  I enjoyed the movies well enough too though.

Bruce Lee, Jet Li,  Tony Jaa and a bunch of other seemingly little guys would like to have a word... right after they kick your ass:)

Seriously though, Cruise is believable as a fighter, he's in great shape and looks as tough as he's ever been.


Maybe, just maybe, little guys with big heads look best on film.
Maybe.
 
2017-10-05 08:37:40 AM  

bloobeary: They have Tom Cruise in them.


Done in the boobies.
 
2017-10-05 08:38:45 AM  

Egoy3k: LL316: I liked Jack Reacher.  There, I said it.

The thing about Jack Reacher is Tom Cruise isn't big enough to be getting into fist fights like that.  He's not nearly as physically imposing as the dialog he reads would suggest that he is.  IT's like the part was written for a different actor.  I enjoyed the movies well enough too though.


The thing about that is, unless you've read the book, nobody cares. I loved Jack Reacher.

Good timing on this. Last weeks Filmspotting reviewed his new one, American Made, and examined Cruise's career with the question "When did you stop taking Tom Cruise for granted?"

https://www.filmspotting.net/episodes-archive/2017/9/29/651-american-​m​ade-top-5-tom-cruise-performances
 
2017-10-05 08:41:32 AM  
Stupid article.  Yes, the schumer last farkable day sketch wasn't funny, but it was true.  Also, older guy/younger woman always works.  Period.  Get off it.
 
2017-10-05 08:45:27 AM  

StopDaddy: Lead actor significantly older than lead actress. This discovery will surely send Hollywood all a-flutter.


Next thing you know, people won't go see a movie where the "high school kids" are clearly in their mid to late twenties
 
2017-10-05 08:45:39 AM  

Far Cough: "the age gap widens between he and"

And stopped reading there.  So even the Australians are butchering the motherfarking language.


Even the Australians? Isn't Australia where the language goes to die? Or am I just having a gollysnog in my dingle when the bities and the dunny budgies are a swarmin'? Crikey.

/I have no idea what I just said.
 
2017-10-05 08:47:01 AM  

Far Cough: "the age gap widens between he and"

And stopped reading there.  So even the Australians are butchering the motherfarking language.


This is a BS "let's hate a biatch for the way he holds his spoon" reason.

Just how successful was say... Entrapment?
 
2017-10-05 08:50:55 AM  
I think that his needed salary and required screen time can make it harder and harder to tweak a movie in the editing room when needed.
 
2017-10-05 08:52:16 AM  

Fano: Far Cough: "the age gap widens between he and"

And stopped reading there.  So even the Australians are butchering the motherfarking language.

This is a BS "let's hate a biatch for the way he holds his spoon" reason.

Just how successful was say... Entrapment?


What if we hate the little biatch for fronting a cult and possibly contributing to the death of a pilot on his last film? That ok with you?
 
2017-10-05 08:54:08 AM  

LL316: I liked Jack Reacher.  There, I said it.


I liked both of the Reacher movies. (1st one was much better than the 2nd, but the 2nd was still enjoyable.)
 
2017-10-05 08:55:43 AM  

Fano: StopDaddy: Lead actor significantly older than lead actress. This discovery will surely send Hollywood all a-flutter.

Next thing you know, people won't go see a movie where the "high school kids" are clearly in their mid to late twenties


Hold on now. I don't think Hollywood would be so misleading as to put a non-teen in a high school movie. That's just dishonest, like men dressing up pretending they're women or hiring costumed humans instead of actual Wookies.
 
2017-10-05 08:55:53 AM  

LL316: I liked Jack Reacher.  There, I said it.


I liked Jack Reacher Round 2 better.
 
2017-10-05 08:56:39 AM  

yakmans_dad: I liked both of the Reacher movies


Oh, the MOVIE.  I thought you meant the title.

/it's just that it has tom cruise in it
 
2017-10-05 08:59:21 AM  

EdgeRunner: Fano: Far Cough: "the age gap widens between he and"

And stopped reading there.  So even the Australians are butchering the motherfarking language.

This is a BS "let's hate a biatch for the way he holds his spoon" reason.

Just how successful was say... Entrapment?

What if we hate the little biatch for fronting a cult and possibly contributing to the death of a pilot on his last film? That ok with you?


That's perfectly reasonable. I just think the age gap thing is a red herring and fundamentally dishonest.
 
2017-10-05 09:03:03 AM  

bloobeary: They have Tom Cruise in them.


People are sick of his shiat. I like him as an actor, but his personal life has leaked into the public eye in ways that have highlighted what a rotten guy he really is, and it taints his films by extension.

That, and his control-freak need to make changes to movies when he's in them. Shut up and act. If they wanted you to direct or write, you'd have been hired as a director or writer.
 
2017-10-05 09:06:11 AM  

Egoy3k: LL316: I liked Jack Reacher.  There, I said it.

The thing about Jack Reacher is Tom Cruise isn't big enough to be getting into fist fights like that.  He's not nearly as physically imposing as the dialog he reads would suggest that he is.  IT's like the part was written for a different actor.  I enjoyed the movies well enough too though.


I think the thing about this criticism is that it often comes from readers of the books who have made a fetish out of the hero's height. It's akin to the criticism of that bug hunt movie that didn't include some spiffy costume or weapon or whatever the hell it was.
 
2017-10-05 09:12:17 AM  

Socrofece: In the first Jack Reacher, he's trying to clear the name of a horrible person who is nevertheless innocent of the crime he is accused of.  It's not a bad movie.

In the second Jack Reacher.... uhh... god, i forget.  That movie was so basic.  My brain refuses to remember it.


If it's like the books, it's an ex-military guy, who still stays in touch with people in  his criminal investigation unit in the Navy, and he travels from town to town, getting wrapped up in crimes and helping to solve them, before hopping on another bus. He buys clothes new, rather than washing them. I remember THAT in the books.
 
2017-10-05 09:14:35 AM  

bobug: Socrofece: In the first Jack Reacher, he's trying to clear the name of a horrible person who is nevertheless innocent of the crime he is accused of.  It's not a bad movie.

In the second Jack Reacher.... uhh... god, i forget.  That movie was so basic.  My brain refuses to remember it.

If it's like the books, it's an ex-military guy, who still stays in touch with people in  his criminal investigation unit in the Navy, and he travels from town to town, getting wrapped up in crimes and helping to solve them, before hopping on another bus. He buys clothes new, rather than washing them. I remember THAT in the books.


Where are all those motels that will let you just use the bathroom and not check in/ pay full rate?
Asking for a friend.
 
2017-10-05 09:17:14 AM  
Tom Cruise acts like an alien in a human guise pretending to be a normal human.

"Haha, this is how humans laugh"
 
2017-10-05 09:17:53 AM  

WilderKWight: bloobeary: They have Tom Cruise in them.

People are sick of his shiat. I like him as an actor, but his personal life has leaked into the public eye in ways that have highlighted what a rotten guy he really is, and it taints his films by extension.

That, and his control-freak need to make changes to movies when he's in them. Shut up and act. If they wanted you to direct or write, you'd have been hired as a director or writer.


I'm reminded of how Christian Bale once said that he based his performance of Patrick Bateman in American Psycho on Tom Cruise's dead eyes and plastic smile.
 
2017-10-05 09:19:49 AM  
The last movie I enjoyed Cruise in was Tropic Thunder.
 
2017-10-05 09:20:17 AM  

toetag: //// Cruise isn't the only one.  My Name Is Earl dude is on my list as well as others.


Didn't he (MNiE Dude) leave the "church"?

You Are All Sheep: I liked oblivion and edge of tomorrow.


With Edge they did not stray to far from the excellent source material, and Oblivion had Morgan Freeman.

LL316: I liked Jack Reacher.  There, I said it.


It also has decent source material ;)

Egoy3k: IT's like the part was written for a different actor.  I enjoyed the movies well enough too though.


It is based on a novel series. Almost guranteed the description in the books does not match.
 
2017-10-05 09:22:35 AM  

sjmcc13: toetag: //// Cruise isn't the only one.  My Name Is Earl dude is on my list as well as others.

Didn't he (MNiE Dude) leave the "church"?

You Are All Sheep: I liked oblivion and edge of tomorrow.

With Edge they did not stray to far from the excellent source material, and Oblivion had Morgan Freeman.

LL316: I liked Jack Reacher.  There, I said it.

It also has decent source material ;)

Egoy3k: IT's like the part was written for a different actor.  I enjoyed the movies well enough too though.

It is based on a novel series. Almost guranteed the description in the books does not match.


True, but novels start with a story. Cokeywood starts with the money, finally gets around to a story.
 
2017-10-05 09:24:30 AM  
He's not a heartthrob anymore. Same with Harrison Ford. I was looking at his imdb and at some point after The Fugitive Ford never really had a great movie again. He wasn't a draw, he wasn't pulling the same scripts. He was too old.

Cruise has done well for himself but he's same-old, same-old and he doesn't have the sexual charisma he once had.
 
2017-10-05 09:26:23 AM  

CommonName2: theborg1of4: Egoy3k: LL316: I liked Jack Reacher.  There, I said it.

The thing about Jack Reacher is Tom Cruise isn't big enough to be getting into fist fights like that.  He's not nearly as physically imposing as the dialog he reads would suggest that he is.  IT's like the part was written for a different actor.  I enjoyed the movies well enough too though.

Bruce Lee, Jet Li,  Tony Jaa and a bunch of other seemingly little guys would like to have a word... right after they kick your ass:)

Seriously though, Cruise is believable as a fighter, he's in great shape and looks as tough as he's ever been.

Reacher is described as being 6 feet 5 inches (1.96 m) tall, weighing 210-250 pounds (95-113 kg) and having a 50-inch (130 cm) chest.

The original dialogue is written as if a wrestler is saying it, not a secret ninja.


I haven't read the books, but - at least in the first movie - that wouldn't have been believable.  A group of punks in a bar aren't going to walk up to a wish-fulfillment marty stu hulk and pick a fight, and even if they're drunk/stupid enough to do so, it's far less satisfying for the audience to see the resulting smackdown of said punks.

That sort of lead works in books because you can place yourself in the role of the character as you read.  A movie is different- much more removed.  You're watching someone else go on their adventure, not vicariously going on it yourself.  Cruise was a great fit for the character as expressed on-screen.
 
2017-10-05 09:28:08 AM  

snocone: bobug: Socrofece: In the first Jack Reacher, he's trying to clear the name of a horrible person who is nevertheless innocent of the crime he is accused of.  It's not a bad movie.

In the second Jack Reacher.... uhh... god, i forget.  That movie was so basic.  My brain refuses to remember it.

If it's like the books, it's an ex-military guy, who still stays in touch with people in  his criminal investigation unit in the Navy, and he travels from town to town, getting wrapped up in crimes and helping to solve them, before hopping on another bus. He buys clothes new, rather than washing them. I remember THAT in the books.

Where are all those motels that will let you just use the bathroom and not check in/ pay full rate?
Asking for a friend.


They were, and they always ended with him beating someone up, or killing someone, or somehow getting an amazing gun / rifle and taking out the Bad Guys. Sometimes, he did it with military people, acting incognito.
 
2017-10-05 09:50:27 AM  

LL316: I liked Jack Reacher.  There, I said it.


I liked it too. The next one though, not so much.
 
2017-10-05 09:51:18 AM  
Homoerotic undercurrent?

/Just kidding....don't know and don't care
 
2017-10-05 09:55:17 AM  

Klivian: Edge of Tomorrow was good. Doesn't need a sequel, but that's Hollywood


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I agree it doesn't need a sequel, but it wouldn't be the worst thing in the world....

/liked Oblivion as well.
 
2017-10-05 10:10:02 AM  
That he's still in the closet?

John travolta aw maa gad
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2017-10-05 10:10:46 AM  
 Because Cruise has stopped trying to be an actor and has decided to be a celebrity and his movies show that.
 
2017-10-05 10:17:53 AM  

VTGremlin: Mission Impossible: Rogue NationReaverZ: He is getting too old for the roles he is playing. Change him for Chris Pratt and the movie would have worked a little better.

You think Edge of Tomorrow, MI: Rogue Nation, or Jack Reacher would have been better with Chris Pratt instead of Tom Cruise??


I can't see Pratt as anyone other than
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Which has ruined him in serious movies for me.

/I liked Oblivion and Edge of Tomorrow too, but not specifically because of Cruise.
 
2017-10-05 10:20:31 AM  

fiddlehead: VTGremlin: Mission Impossible: Rogue NationReaverZ: He is getting too old for the roles he is playing. Change him for Chris Pratt and the movie would have worked a little better.

You think Edge of Tomorrow, MI: Rogue Nation, or Jack Reacher would have been better with Chris Pratt instead of Tom Cruise??

I can't see Pratt as anyone other than
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Which has ruined him in serious movies for me.

/I liked Oblivion and Edge of Tomorrow too, but not specifically because of Cruise.


"in spite of"
 
2017-10-05 10:20:47 AM  

bloobeary: They have Tom Cruise in them.


The headline specified a "big" problem.
 
2017-10-05 10:29:04 AM  
I'm not a fan, but I like the movies he's been in over the last few years. Last 2 MI's were good, but that might be due to Pegg. Oblivion was good, as was All You Need is Kill (filmed in the same field as Hogwarts, don'cha know?), Knight & day was crap tho.
 
2017-10-05 10:31:43 AM  

snocone: fiddlehead: VTGremlin: Mission Impossible: Rogue NationReaverZ: He is getting too old for the roles he is playing. Change him for Chris Pratt and the movie would have worked a little better.

You think Edge of Tomorrow, MI: Rogue Nation, or Jack Reacher would have been better with Chris Pratt instead of Tom Cruise??

I can't see Pratt as anyone other than
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Which has ruined him in serious movies for me.

/I liked Oblivion and Edge of Tomorrow too, but not specifically because of Cruise.

"in spite of"


It's not that I openly dislike Cruise, he's just so...bland and plays the same damn bland character in every movie.
 
2017-10-05 10:32:39 AM  

fiddlehead: snocone: fiddlehead: VTGremlin: Mission Impossible: Rogue NationReaverZ: He is getting too old for the roles he is playing. Change him for Chris Pratt and the movie would have worked a little better.

You think Edge of Tomorrow, MI: Rogue Nation, or Jack Reacher would have been better with Chris Pratt instead of Tom Cruise??

I can't see Pratt as anyone other than
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Which has ruined him in serious movies for me.

/I liked Oblivion and Edge of Tomorrow too, but not specifically because of Cruise.

"in spite of"

It's not that I openly dislike Cruise, he's just so...bland and plays the same damn bland character in every movie.


"Hard to hate" is a real thing.
 
2017-10-05 10:33:27 AM  
And therein lies the problem with any actor in any movie.  "I don't like x in x movie, because x doesn't live up to my expectation.

As was said by everyone about every actor ever.

If you don't like the actor/actress, that's fine, but noone is forcing you to see the movies they appear in.  Obviously somebody somewhere felt that x was a good fit and offered them the part.  Some do it for pay, some do it because they haven't had a role, some do it because they feel the need to feed their ego.

It doesn't really matter the reasons why.  A movie is produced for us to consume.  If we don't want to watch it, we won't, until it comes out on cable for free.
 
2017-10-05 10:33:36 AM  

snocone: Which has fark all to do with Cruise.
All male leading men rob the cradle.
Bond, James seduce your granddaughter Bond.


Exactly.

This is Hollywood.  Leading men can be young and handsome, or old and handsome, or mediocre looking at best, but if there's a love interest, she better be hot.

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2017-10-05 10:35:25 AM  

RJReves: bloobeary: They have Tom Cruise in them.

Done in the boobies.


Not quite: No mention of Valkyrie.  We could have been Godwined in the Boobies.
 
2017-10-05 10:42:58 AM  

VTGremlin: Mission Impossible: Rogue NationReaverZ: He is getting too old for the roles he is playing. Change him for Chris Pratt and the movie would have worked a little better.

You think Edge of Tomorrow, MI: Rogue Nation, or Jack Reacher would have been better with Chris Pratt instead of Tom Cruise??


did I mention those movies?
 
2017-10-05 10:52:15 AM  

ReaverZ: He is getting too old for the roles he is playing. Change him for Chris Pratt and the movie would have worked a little better.


I agree he is a bit old for some of the movies he's stared in for the last 10 yrs. Most of all the characters he has done since "Top Gun" has some kind of hero worship of him and that he is the voice of reason. Maybe he requires a moment of it written into the script. That where its got old for me.
 
2017-10-05 10:52:22 AM  

snocone: bobug: Socrofece: In the first Jack Reacher, he's trying to clear the name of a horrible person who is nevertheless innocent of the crime he is accused of.  It's not a bad movie.

In the second Jack Reacher.... uhh... god, i forget.  That movie was so basic.  My brain refuses to remember it.

If it's like the books, it's an ex-military guy, who still stays in touch with people in  his criminal investigation unit in the Navy, and he travels from town to town, getting wrapped up in crimes and helping to solve them, before hopping on another bus. He buys clothes new, rather than washing them. I remember THAT in the books.

Where are all those motels that will let you just use the bathroom and not check in/ pay full rate?
Asking for a friend.


Some places charge by the hour...
 
2017-10-05 10:53:03 AM  

Stantz: I'm not a fan, but I like the movies he's been in over the last few years. Last 2 MI's were good, but that might be due to Pegg. Oblivion was good, as was All You Need is Kill (filmed in the same field as Hogwarts, don'cha know?), Knight & day was crap tho.


Right. A two hour movie enjoyable because of the brief appearance of a favorite actor. Or maybe, of equal probability, the fact that the actors wore dark colored shoes. Or (And?) nobody spoke pig Latin. Or there were no mentions of the Deerfield Massacre. (ruins movies for me)
 
2017-10-05 10:53:24 AM  

fiddlehead: snocone: fiddlehead: VTGremlin: Mission Impossible: Rogue NationReaverZ: He is getting too old for the roles he is playing. Change him for Chris Pratt and the movie would have worked a little better.

You think Edge of Tomorrow, MI: Rogue Nation, or Jack Reacher would have been better with Chris Pratt instead of Tom Cruise??

I can't see Pratt as anyone other than
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Which has ruined him in serious movies for me.

/I liked Oblivion and Edge of Tomorrow too, but not specifically because of Cruise.

"in spite of"

It's not that I openly dislike Cruise, he's just so...bland and plays the same damn bland character in every movie.


When he plays against type he does better (in more recent movies). Tropic Thunder you have to be told it him, Edge of Tomorrow works because he is playing against type in the beginning and he does pull off charisma and the weirdness later on (he shows decent range in the movie. MI bore the duck out of me, haven't scene Jack Reacher. Saw the Mummy in a restaurant, but his characters first scene was screaming "Thismwas written form Chris Pratt!!!!" I was hearing Pratt's voice. It was a role he could have pulled of a decade or more earlier but it didn't come off right Cruise doing it now. He need to transition to grizzled ventron roles (Conroy, Eastwood, Willis) and move away from young carefree joker.

/ he face is getting uncanny valley with the not aging shiat
 
2017-10-05 10:55:04 AM  
Creepy age gaps in movies are the result of a patriarchy that doesn't realize that the male lead is way too damn old for the kind of roles he is being placed in.  While his last movie wasn't bad, I would point out that the character, whom Cruz is playing, was actually a young father in real life, back in the 80s, and not some old creepy grandpa with a lot of plastic surgery.  The female leads are fine, they need to be paired with an actor who is believable for them to have a romantic entanglement with, and this is coming from a 40 year old guy who still tries to creepily pick up 25 year old women.
 
2017-10-05 10:57:03 AM  

sonorangal: some kind of hero worship


Last Samurai was the turning point for me and my friends. White savior and how he taked about "samurai" and the martial arts really ticked us off.

/ he needs to move behind the camera and stay there for a bit. Foster new actors to take up the roles,
 
2017-10-05 11:10:38 AM  

bloobeary: They have Tom Cruise in them.


Survey says: #1 answer.
 
2017-10-05 11:14:00 AM  
I'm gonna guess the article didn't mention it's because he's a bat-shiat insane scientologist...
 
2017-10-05 11:17:34 AM  
Tom actually has a gift for comedy which is rarely used in his movies, which is why Edge of Tomorrow was better than I expected.  Other than that, most of his other movies are interchangeable.  They're all just Tom Cruise doing Tom Cruise and it's gotten quite stale at this point.
 
2017-10-05 11:29:41 AM  
His massive EGO and a double dose of Banty Rooster Syndrome.
 
2017-10-05 11:34:15 AM  
I actually like a lot of Tom Cruise movies.  Just looking at this IMDB for the past 10 years, these are mostly movies I enjoyed.

Valkyrie
Mission: Impossible - Ghost Protocol
Jack Reacher
Oblivion
Edge of Tomorrow


and I mean, there were a lot of movies in the wider span of his career that i thought were great too.
I guess I'm a Tom Cruise fan, despite his weirdness in real life.
 
2017-10-05 11:40:12 AM  
This problem isn't so much about Tom Cruise as how stars aren't stars anymore.  Very few actors by being on a marquee are going to draw people to a movie unlike 20 years ago.
 
2017-10-05 11:41:28 AM  
I want to dislike his movies due to Scientology, but he overcomes that artistically in many cases. I recently saw American Made (his latest) and it was a good film and a good performance, again.
 
2017-10-05 11:45:32 AM  

VTGremlin: Mission Impossible: Rogue NationReaverZ: He is getting too old for the roles he is playing. Change him for Chris Pratt and the movie would have worked a little better.

You think Edge of Tomorrow, MI: Rogue Nation, or Jack Reacher would have been better with Chris Pratt instead of Tom Cruise??


Jack Reacher should have been played by the Rock.
 
2017-10-05 11:56:34 AM  

ReaverZ: sonorangal: some kind of hero worship

Last Samurai was the turning point for me and my friends. White savior and how he taked about "samurai" and the martial arts really ticked us off.

/ he needs to move behind the camera and stay there for a bit. Foster new actors to take up the roles,


Wut?

There was no "white savior" in The Last Samurai.  At best there was "White outsider observer to the last gasp of a dying culture"

/Spoiler alert:
//The titular Last Samurai was Ken Watanabe's character.
 
2017-10-05 01:12:00 PM  

Egoy3k: LL316: I liked Jack Reacher.  There, I said it.

The thing about Jack Reacher is Tom Cruise isn't big enough to be getting into fist fights like that.  He's not nearly as physically imposing as the dialog he reads would suggest that he is.  IT's like the part was written for a different actor.  I enjoyed the movies well enough too though.


I've read a bunch of the novels and I always pictured Patrick Warburton as Reacher.

\Cruise did okay
 
2017-10-05 01:32:18 PM  

CommonName2: theborg1of4: Egoy3k: LL316: I liked Jack Reacher.  There, I said it.

The thing about Jack Reacher is Tom Cruise isn't big enough to be getting into fist fights like that.  He's not nearly as physically imposing as the dialog he reads would suggest that he is.  IT's like the part was written for a different actor.  I enjoyed the movies well enough too though.

Bruce Lee, Jet Li,  Tony Jaa and a bunch of other seemingly little guys would like to have a word... right after they kick your ass:)

Seriously though, Cruise is believable as a fighter, he's in great shape and looks as tough as he's ever been.

Reacher is described as being 6 feet 5 inches (1.96 m) tall, weighing 210-250 pounds (95-113 kg) and having a 50-inch (130 cm) chest.

The original dialogue is written as if a wrestler is saying it, not a secret ninja.


I have to confess. This is the reason why I hated the Reacher books and liked the movie.

In the books there isn't even the slightest tension built from the character. He's a gigantic human being, master of all weaponry, unsurpassed in hand-to-hand combat skills, beholden to no man, master of his own fate, rolls into town and the hottest woman cracks her pelvis due to the speed with which she spreads her legs for him. The mystery to be solved may be interesting but the character of Jack Reacher isn't.

He's like a 14 year old high-school boy's wet dream of how he'd like to appear when he gets to school the next day.

At least in the movie there is some surprise that he is as tough as he is and even then he does take a bit of a pounding that wouldn't be realistic if they had an actor who fits Child's description of Reacher in the books.

I don't mean to offend anyone who enjoys the books. They just didn't work for me and the movie did.
 
2017-10-05 01:52:45 PM  
This might be part of the problem:

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2017-10-05 02:09:06 PM  

VTGremlin: Mission Impossible: Rogue NationReaverZ: He is getting too old for the roles he is playing. Change him for Chris Pratt and the movie would have worked a little better.

You think Edge of Tomorrow, MI: Rogue Nation, or Jack Reacher would have been better with Chris Pratt instead of Tom Cruise??


I think the MI Series in general would be better served by transitioning to a new lead character.  I don't think Chris Pratt would have been better as Jack Reacher, but he wouldn't have been worse.  (Personally, based on the character's description, I would have liked someone like Callan Mulvey for the role) But there is no way you can replace Tom Cruise in Edge of Tomorrow.  It was perfect casting, particularly for the period it was released.  You needed a leading man archetype who was simultaneously a weasel that you really wanted to see suffer repeatedly before finally learning his lesson and coming out a hopefully better person.
 
2017-10-05 02:18:53 PM  

RJReves: bloobeary: They have Tom Cruise in them.

Done in the boobies.


& the phrasing award goes to.....
 
2017-10-05 02:54:33 PM  

MajorTubeSteak: This might be part of the problem:
Is Tom Cruise starting to look like a middle-aged lesbian.


It's the hair. There used to be a web site about men who looked like old lesbians and they all had one thing in common: full heads of long hair.
 
2017-10-05 03:41:52 PM  
Yo homies... is that my career you're biatching about?

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2017-10-05 04:14:16 PM  

winedrinkingman: this is coming from a 40 year old guy who still tries to creepily pick up 25 year old women.


Maybe try doing it non-creepily. ;-)
 
2017-10-05 04:18:11 PM  
Jack Reacher Round One and Edge of Tomorrow were both pretty good movies.
 
2017-10-05 05:40:34 PM  

MajorTubeSteak: This might be part of the problem:

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I remember when we were starting to say the same thing about Bruce Jenner, and look what happened.
 
2017-10-05 06:10:25 PM  
Seriously?
This age gap issue is a Tom Cruise thing?

25 years between Cary Grant and Grace Kelly in To Catch a Thief, around 15 between diCaprio and Robbie in Wolf of Wall Street, not to mention decades of James Bond incarnations often shagging at least 15 years below their own age (27 years difference in A View to a Kill)...

But yeah, that's probably because of Tom Cruise since he's craaaaazy.
Nothing to do with executives nor the audience.
 
2017-10-05 06:18:58 PM  

exparrot: Far Cough: "the age gap widens between he and"

And stopped reading there.  So even the Australians are butchering the motherfarking language.

Even the Australians? Isn't Australia where the language goes to die? Or am I just having a gollysnog in my dingle when the bities and the dunny budgies are a swarmin'? Crikey.

/I have no idea what I just said.


Jaysus, you just spoke the code words to release the gates on all the crocodile farms.
 
2017-10-05 06:39:58 PM  
Risky Business II - Joel's wife (a worn out Rebecca DeMornay) goes to visit her mother for 2 weeks, so Joel invites all of his friends and a bunch of hookers over for a party.  2 people die from cocaine cut with strychnine, the Kitchen is destroyed by a fire, and everybody gets syphilis.  That's just the first 20 minutes.  The rest of the movie is just him moving money to off-shore accounts and fleeing to Aruba with the least-diseased hooker.  It's a dark comedy.
 
2017-10-05 06:45:41 PM  

Aquapope: Risky Business II - Joel's wife (a worn out Rebecca DeMornay) goes to visit her mother for 2 weeks, so Joel invites all of his friends and a bunch of hookers over for a party.  2 people die from cocaine cut with strychnine, the Kitchen is destroyed by a fire, and everybody gets syphilis.  That's just the first 20 minutes.  The rest of the movie is just him moving money to off-shore accounts and fleeing to Aruba with the least-diseased hooker.  It's a dark comedy.


Pretty sure that's the plot to his sweaty Grisham movie with Gene Hackman.
 
2017-10-05 06:46:18 PM  

WilderKWight: bloobeary: They have Tom Cruise in them.

People are sick of his shiat. I like him as an actor, but his personal life has leaked into the public eye in ways that have highlighted what a rotten guy he really is, and it taints his films by extension.

That, and his control-freak need to make changes to movies when he's in them. Shut up and act. If they wanted you to direct or write, you'd have been hired as a director or writer.


That's the response I was looking for, keeps me from writing it. Thanks.

FU Tom Cruise you nutcase.
 
2017-10-05 10:30:46 PM  

kermit the forg: VTGremlin: Mission Impossible: Rogue NationReaverZ: He is getting too old for the roles he is playing. Change him for Chris Pratt and the movie would have worked a little better.

You think Edge of Tomorrow, MI: Rogue Nation, or Jack Reacher would have been better with Chris Pratt instead of Tom Cruise??

Jack Reacher should have been played by the Rock.


Sub Dwayne Johnson for just about anyone

/ maybe not Idris Elba
 
2017-10-05 10:32:10 PM  

PlaidJaguar: ReaverZ: sonorangal: some kind of hero worship

Last Samurai was the turning point for me and my friends. White savior and how he taked about "samurai" and the martial arts really ticked us off.

/ he needs to move behind the camera and stay there for a bit. Foster new actors to take up the roles,

Wut?

There was no "white savior" in The Last Samurai.  At best there was "White outsider observer to the last gasp of a dying culture"

/Spoiler alert:
//The titular Last Samurai was Ken Watanabe's character.


should have been
 
2017-10-05 10:39:28 PM  

Dancis_Frake: Seriously?
This age gap issue is a Tom Cruise thing?


More of trying to get studios to stop with it. Society has sort of moved on or realizing and admitting this is creepy. The age gap in real life is becoming more of a thing with people being 5 years apart a big difference (this is my parents who have a 6 year gap commenting).

Hugh Heffners transition from ladies man to creepy grandpa.
 
2017-10-05 11:36:31 PM  

PlaidJaguar: ReaverZ: sonorangal: some kind of hero worship

Last Samurai was the turning point for me and my friends. White savior and how he taked about "samurai" and the martial arts really ticked us off.

/ he needs to move behind the camera and stay there for a bit. Foster new actors to take up the roles,

Wut?

There was no "white savior" in The Last Samurai.  At best there was "White outsider observer to the last gasp of a dying culture"

/Spoiler alert:
//The titular Last Samurai was Ken Watanabe's character.


Fark has a hard time understanding this.
 
2017-10-05 11:38:39 PM  

ReaverZ: Dancis_Frake: Seriously?
This age gap issue is a Tom Cruise thing?

More of trying to get studios to stop with it. Society has sort of moved on or realizing and admitting this is creepy. The age gap in real life is becoming more of a thing with people being 5 years apart a big difference (this is my parents who have a 6 year gap commenting).

Hugh Heffners transition from ladies man to creepy grandpa.


So what are older people to do?
 
2017-10-06 12:14:24 AM  

Idontlikemoose: This problem isn't so much about Tom Cruise as how stars aren't stars anymore.  Very few actors by being on a marquee are going to draw people to a movie unlike 20 years ago.


I see "Reality Stars" and "Internet Famous" and all those "Celebrities that are famous for being famous* " as having diluted what a "Celebrity" is. You don't have to possess any talent to become 'Famous' anymore. Like saying a word over and over until it sounds nonsensical. Celebrity is now simply getting as many people to talk about you good or bad as long as your "Name" is out there.

*No talent, stick their faces near anyone to get buzz, a Kardashian basically.
 
2017-10-06 12:29:08 AM  

Fano: PlaidJaguar: ReaverZ: sonorangal: some kind of hero worship

Last Samurai was the turning point for me and my friends. White savior and how he taked about "samurai" and the martial arts really ticked us off.

/ he needs to move behind the camera and stay there for a bit. Foster new actors to take up the roles,

Wut?

There was no "white savior" in The Last Samurai.  At best there was "White outsider observer to the last gasp of a dying culture"

/Spoiler alert:
//The titular Last Samurai was Ken Watanabe's character.

Fark has a hard time understanding this.


No, it wasn't. It was the dedemption of drunk Cruise with the backdrop of Wanatanbe being cool
 
2017-10-06 06:34:56 AM  
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2017-10-06 09:11:28 AM  

LibertyHiller: MajorTubeSteak: This might be part of the problem:

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I remember when we were starting to say the same thing about Bruce Jenner, and look what happened.


Yeah, how's he doing these days?

;o)
 
2017-10-06 09:22:28 AM  

ReaverZ: Fano: PlaidJaguar: ReaverZ: sonorangal: some kind of hero worship

Last Samurai was the turning point for me and my friends. White savior and how he taked about "samurai" and the martial arts really ticked us off.

/ he needs to move behind the camera and stay there for a bit. Foster new actors to take up the roles,

Wut?

There was no "white savior" in The Last Samurai.  At best there was "White outsider observer to the last gasp of a dying culture"

/Spoiler alert:
//The titular Last Samurai was Ken Watanabe's character.

Fark has a hard time understanding this.

No, it wasn't. It was the dedemption of drunk Cruise with the backdrop of Wanatanbe being cool


Yes, the story was of Cruise and his redemption, because he was the observer character.  The movie follows his journey.  We see the story of the last samurai as it intersected with his own.  Yes, Cruise put on a suit of armour and joined in the battle, but he never became samurai himself.

That would be like me saying I've become a Knight because I hung out with a dude who followed the Chivalric code for a few days and then put on a suit of full plate.
 
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