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(News.com.au)   Aside from the fact they're awful, what's the big problem that's been plaguing Tom Cruise's movies over the last decade?   ( news.com.au) divider line
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2017-10-05 06:39:55 AM  
They have Tom Cruise in them.
 
2017-10-05 07:36:09 AM  
Which has fark all to do with Cruise.
All male leading men rob the cradle.
Bond, James seduce your granddaughter Bond.
 
2017-10-05 07:43:32 AM  
Thetans.
 
2017-10-05 07:53:25 AM  
The couch jump heard 'round the world?
 
2017-10-05 07:55:28 AM  
Y'all might want to direct your ire elsewhere. Lots of old white guys playing olympic level athletes well into their 70's and bedding young women in Hollywood.
Cruise can kill you with his mind.
 
2017-10-05 07:56:15 AM  
I liked oblivion and edge of tomorrow.
 
2017-10-05 08:00:55 AM  
He is getting too old for the roles he is playing. Change him for Chris Pratt and the movie would have worked a little better.
 
2017-10-05 08:00:58 AM  
Could be worse.  Could be Mel Gibson movies.
 
2017-10-05 08:06:48 AM  
I knew it had something to do with beards.
 
2017-10-05 08:07:02 AM  
Cruise fatigue.

See also: Depp fatigue.
 
2017-10-05 08:08:20 AM  
Edge of Tomorrow was good. Doesn't need a sequel, but that's Hollywood
 
2017-10-05 08:11:12 AM  

You Are All Sheep: edge of tomorrow.


Normally, I got out of my way to avoid Cruise movies.  Choose not to support Scientology or their members. So much so that even when they are on cable, i tend to avoid them.  However, I was stuck in a hotel for a few days on business.  My viewing options weren't great and Edge Of Tomorrow was on.  I thought it was actually fairly well done and watched it again the next night.

/ third night I found a hockey game.
// yes, my "not supporting Scientology" is a bit much but I stand by it.
/// not a big TV / Movie person so it's fairly easy to keep to my principles regarding Scientology.
//// Cruise isn't the only one.  My Name Is Earl dude is on my list as well as others.
 
2017-10-05 08:11:39 AM  
I liked Jack Reacher.  There, I said it.
 
2017-10-05 08:12:01 AM  

ReaverZ: He is getting too old for the roles he is playing. Change him for Chris Pratt and the movie would have worked a little better.


This.  The Mummy had other issues but one of the biggest was his age was showing, the nude scene didn't help matters much in this respect.  Whats weirder is that the movie seemed to be attempting to set up a franchise which makes me wonder just how farking old is this supposedly active duty soldier (at the beginning) going to look by the time another movie is made?
 
2017-10-05 08:13:12 AM  
The trouble is he's perfected one type of film. Let's take a look:

Mission: Impossible - A traitor on the team forces Tom and the gang to go on the run to clear their names.
Mission: Impossible Two - Tom and the gang to go on the run to clear their names.
Mission: Impossible Three - A traitor on the team forces Tom to do stuff.
Mission: Impossible Four - A traitor at head quarters forces Tom and the gang to go on the run to clear their names.
Mission: Impossible Five - A traitor on some else's team Tom and the gang to go on the run to clear their names.

Notice anything?

Even his other work suffers from a depressing sameness. For example the comedy Knight and Day could have been a send up of his Mission: Impossible films. However, his character was basically Ethan Hunt played straight with the other characters in the film being the funny ones. With the same acting style, no comedy on his part, and even the same haircut, it was not different enough from Mission: Impossible to carve out its own space.

I've not see the Jack Reacher films but apparently in them he's an ex-military person acting as a private investigator who is at the centre of conspiracies where... you guessed it... he's on the run having to clear his name.
 
2017-10-05 08:15:56 AM  

LL316: I liked Jack Reacher.  There, I said it.


The thing about Jack Reacher is Tom Cruise isn't big enough to be getting into fist fights like that.  He's not nearly as physically imposing as the dialog he reads would suggest that he is.  IT's like the part was written for a different actor.  I enjoyed the movies well enough too though.
 
2017-10-05 08:16:02 AM  
In the first Jack Reacher, he's trying to clear the name of a horrible person who is nevertheless innocent of the crime he is accused of.  It's not a bad movie.

In the second Jack Reacher.... uhh... god, i forget.  That movie was so basic.  My brain refuses to remember it.
 
2017-10-05 08:16:39 AM  

Mission Impossible: Rogue NationReaverZ: He is getting too old for the roles he is playing. Change him for Chris Pratt and the movie would have worked a little better.


You think Edge of Tomorrow, MI: Rogue Nation, or Jack Reacher would have been better with Chris Pratt instead of Tom Cruise??
 
2017-10-05 08:19:35 AM  
I blame Xenu.
 
2017-10-05 08:20:18 AM  
Lead actor significantly older than lead actress. This discovery will surely send Hollywood all a-flutter.
 
2017-10-05 08:21:58 AM  

Egoy3k: LL316: I liked Jack Reacher.  There, I said it.

The thing about Jack Reacher is Tom Cruise isn't big enough to be getting into fist fights like that.  He's not nearly as physically imposing as the dialog he reads would suggest that he is.  IT's like the part was written for a different actor.  I enjoyed the movies well enough too though.


Bruce Lee, Jet Li,  Tony Jaa and a bunch of other seemingly little guys would like to have a word... right after they kick your ass:)

Seriously though, Cruise is believable as a fighter, he's in great shape and looks as tough as he's ever been.
 
2017-10-05 08:23:48 AM  

Egoy3k: LL316: I liked Jack Reacher.  There, I said it.

The thing about Jack Reacher is Tom Cruise isn't big enough to be getting into fist fights like that.  He's not nearly as physically imposing as the dialog he reads would suggest that he is.  IT's like the part was written for a different actor.  I enjoyed the movies well enough too though.


I'm not going to sit here and say I wouldn't have enjoyed it more if it were the Rock.  But I took his cocky attitude to mean he was confident in his fighting skills and he didn't care if anyone was intimidated by him or not.  Makes it easier to accept the dialog.
 
2017-10-05 08:29:01 AM  

theborg1of4: Egoy3k: LL316: I liked Jack Reacher.  There, I said it.

The thing about Jack Reacher is Tom Cruise isn't big enough to be getting into fist fights like that.  He's not nearly as physically imposing as the dialog he reads would suggest that he is.  IT's like the part was written for a different actor.  I enjoyed the movies well enough too though.

Bruce Lee, Jet Li,  Tony Jaa and a bunch of other seemingly little guys would like to have a word... right after they kick your ass:)

Seriously though, Cruise is believable as a fighter, he's in great shape and looks as tough as he's ever been.


Reacher is described as being 6 feet 5 inches (1.96 m) tall, weighing 210-250 pounds (95-113 kg) and having a 50-inch (130 cm) chest.

The original dialogue is written as if a wrestler is saying it, not a secret ninja.
 
2017-10-05 08:33:36 AM  
"the age gap widens between he and"

And stopped reading there.  So even the Australians are butchering the motherfarking language.
 
2017-10-05 08:34:47 AM  

You Are All Sheep: I liked oblivion and edge of tomorrow.


Edge of Tomorrow was good.  Other than that, I hope he saved his money because he's been circling the drain career wise for quite some time.
 
2017-10-05 08:35:08 AM  

theborg1of4: Egoy3k: LL316: I liked Jack Reacher.  There, I said it.

The thing about Jack Reacher is Tom Cruise isn't big enough to be getting into fist fights like that.  He's not nearly as physically imposing as the dialog he reads would suggest that he is.  IT's like the part was written for a different actor.  I enjoyed the movies well enough too though.

Bruce Lee, Jet Li,  Tony Jaa and a bunch of other seemingly little guys would like to have a word... right after they kick your ass:)

Seriously though, Cruise is believable as a fighter, he's in great shape and looks as tough as he's ever been.


Maybe, just maybe, little guys with big heads look best on film.
Maybe.
 
2017-10-05 08:37:40 AM  

bloobeary: They have Tom Cruise in them.


Done in the boobies.
 
2017-10-05 08:38:45 AM  

Egoy3k: LL316: I liked Jack Reacher.  There, I said it.

The thing about Jack Reacher is Tom Cruise isn't big enough to be getting into fist fights like that.  He's not nearly as physically imposing as the dialog he reads would suggest that he is.  IT's like the part was written for a different actor.  I enjoyed the movies well enough too though.


The thing about that is, unless you've read the book, nobody cares. I loved Jack Reacher.

Good timing on this. Last weeks Filmspotting reviewed his new one, American Made, and examined Cruise's career with the question "When did you stop taking Tom Cruise for granted?"

https://www.filmspotting.net/episodes-archive/2017/9/29/651-american-​m​ade-top-5-tom-cruise-performances
 
2017-10-05 08:41:32 AM  
Stupid article.  Yes, the schumer last farkable day sketch wasn't funny, but it was true.  Also, older guy/younger woman always works.  Period.  Get off it.
 
2017-10-05 08:45:27 AM  

StopDaddy: Lead actor significantly older than lead actress. This discovery will surely send Hollywood all a-flutter.


Next thing you know, people won't go see a movie where the "high school kids" are clearly in their mid to late twenties
 
2017-10-05 08:45:39 AM  

Far Cough: "the age gap widens between he and"

And stopped reading there.  So even the Australians are butchering the motherfarking language.


Even the Australians? Isn't Australia where the language goes to die? Or am I just having a gollysnog in my dingle when the bities and the dunny budgies are a swarmin'? Crikey.

/I have no idea what I just said.
 
2017-10-05 08:47:01 AM  

Far Cough: "the age gap widens between he and"

And stopped reading there.  So even the Australians are butchering the motherfarking language.


This is a BS "let's hate a biatch for the way he holds his spoon" reason.

Just how successful was say... Entrapment?
 
2017-10-05 08:50:55 AM  
I think that his needed salary and required screen time can make it harder and harder to tweak a movie in the editing room when needed.
 
2017-10-05 08:52:16 AM  

Fano: Far Cough: "the age gap widens between he and"

And stopped reading there.  So even the Australians are butchering the motherfarking language.

This is a BS "let's hate a biatch for the way he holds his spoon" reason.

Just how successful was say... Entrapment?


What if we hate the little biatch for fronting a cult and possibly contributing to the death of a pilot on his last film? That ok with you?
 
2017-10-05 08:54:08 AM  

LL316: I liked Jack Reacher.  There, I said it.


I liked both of the Reacher movies. (1st one was much better than the 2nd, but the 2nd was still enjoyable.)
 
2017-10-05 08:55:43 AM  

Fano: StopDaddy: Lead actor significantly older than lead actress. This discovery will surely send Hollywood all a-flutter.

Next thing you know, people won't go see a movie where the "high school kids" are clearly in their mid to late twenties


Hold on now. I don't think Hollywood would be so misleading as to put a non-teen in a high school movie. That's just dishonest, like men dressing up pretending they're women or hiring costumed humans instead of actual Wookies.
 
2017-10-05 08:55:53 AM  

LL316: I liked Jack Reacher.  There, I said it.


I liked Jack Reacher Round 2 better.
 
2017-10-05 08:56:39 AM  

yakmans_dad: I liked both of the Reacher movies


Oh, the MOVIE.  I thought you meant the title.

/it's just that it has tom cruise in it
 
2017-10-05 08:59:21 AM  

EdgeRunner: Fano: Far Cough: "the age gap widens between he and"

And stopped reading there.  So even the Australians are butchering the motherfarking language.

This is a BS "let's hate a biatch for the way he holds his spoon" reason.

Just how successful was say... Entrapment?

What if we hate the little biatch for fronting a cult and possibly contributing to the death of a pilot on his last film? That ok with you?


That's perfectly reasonable. I just think the age gap thing is a red herring and fundamentally dishonest.
 
2017-10-05 09:03:03 AM  

bloobeary: They have Tom Cruise in them.


People are sick of his shiat. I like him as an actor, but his personal life has leaked into the public eye in ways that have highlighted what a rotten guy he really is, and it taints his films by extension.

That, and his control-freak need to make changes to movies when he's in them. Shut up and act. If they wanted you to direct or write, you'd have been hired as a director or writer.
 
2017-10-05 09:06:11 AM  

Egoy3k: LL316: I liked Jack Reacher.  There, I said it.

The thing about Jack Reacher is Tom Cruise isn't big enough to be getting into fist fights like that.  He's not nearly as physically imposing as the dialog he reads would suggest that he is.  IT's like the part was written for a different actor.  I enjoyed the movies well enough too though.


I think the thing about this criticism is that it often comes from readers of the books who have made a fetish out of the hero's height. It's akin to the criticism of that bug hunt movie that didn't include some spiffy costume or weapon or whatever the hell it was.
 
2017-10-05 09:12:17 AM  

Socrofece: In the first Jack Reacher, he's trying to clear the name of a horrible person who is nevertheless innocent of the crime he is accused of.  It's not a bad movie.

In the second Jack Reacher.... uhh... god, i forget.  That movie was so basic.  My brain refuses to remember it.


If it's like the books, it's an ex-military guy, who still stays in touch with people in  his criminal investigation unit in the Navy, and he travels from town to town, getting wrapped up in crimes and helping to solve them, before hopping on another bus. He buys clothes new, rather than washing them. I remember THAT in the books.
 
2017-10-05 09:14:35 AM  

bobug: Socrofece: In the first Jack Reacher, he's trying to clear the name of a horrible person who is nevertheless innocent of the crime he is accused of.  It's not a bad movie.

In the second Jack Reacher.... uhh... god, i forget.  That movie was so basic.  My brain refuses to remember it.

If it's like the books, it's an ex-military guy, who still stays in touch with people in  his criminal investigation unit in the Navy, and he travels from town to town, getting wrapped up in crimes and helping to solve them, before hopping on another bus. He buys clothes new, rather than washing them. I remember THAT in the books.


Where are all those motels that will let you just use the bathroom and not check in/ pay full rate?
Asking for a friend.
 
2017-10-05 09:17:14 AM  
Tom Cruise acts like an alien in a human guise pretending to be a normal human.

"Haha, this is how humans laugh"
 
2017-10-05 09:17:53 AM  

WilderKWight: bloobeary: They have Tom Cruise in them.

People are sick of his shiat. I like him as an actor, but his personal life has leaked into the public eye in ways that have highlighted what a rotten guy he really is, and it taints his films by extension.

That, and his control-freak need to make changes to movies when he's in them. Shut up and act. If they wanted you to direct or write, you'd have been hired as a director or writer.


I'm reminded of how Christian Bale once said that he based his performance of Patrick Bateman in American Psycho on Tom Cruise's dead eyes and plastic smile.
 
2017-10-05 09:19:49 AM  
The last movie I enjoyed Cruise in was Tropic Thunder.
 
2017-10-05 09:20:17 AM  

toetag: //// Cruise isn't the only one.  My Name Is Earl dude is on my list as well as others.


Didn't he (MNiE Dude) leave the "church"?

You Are All Sheep: I liked oblivion and edge of tomorrow.


With Edge they did not stray to far from the excellent source material, and Oblivion had Morgan Freeman.

LL316: I liked Jack Reacher.  There, I said it.


It also has decent source material ;)

Egoy3k: IT's like the part was written for a different actor.  I enjoyed the movies well enough too though.


It is based on a novel series. Almost guranteed the description in the books does not match.
 
2017-10-05 09:22:35 AM  

sjmcc13: toetag: //// Cruise isn't the only one.  My Name Is Earl dude is on my list as well as others.

Didn't he (MNiE Dude) leave the "church"?

You Are All Sheep: I liked oblivion and edge of tomorrow.

With Edge they did not stray to far from the excellent source material, and Oblivion had Morgan Freeman.

LL316: I liked Jack Reacher.  There, I said it.

It also has decent source material ;)

Egoy3k: IT's like the part was written for a different actor.  I enjoyed the movies well enough too though.

It is based on a novel series. Almost guranteed the description in the books does not match.


True, but novels start with a story. Cokeywood starts with the money, finally gets around to a story.
 
2017-10-05 09:24:30 AM  
He's not a heartthrob anymore. Same with Harrison Ford. I was looking at his imdb and at some point after The Fugitive Ford never really had a great movie again. He wasn't a draw, he wasn't pulling the same scripts. He was too old.

Cruise has done well for himself but he's same-old, same-old and he doesn't have the sexual charisma he once had.
 
2017-10-05 09:26:23 AM  

CommonName2: theborg1of4: Egoy3k: LL316: I liked Jack Reacher.  There, I said it.

The thing about Jack Reacher is Tom Cruise isn't big enough to be getting into fist fights like that.  He's not nearly as physically imposing as the dialog he reads would suggest that he is.  IT's like the part was written for a different actor.  I enjoyed the movies well enough too though.

Bruce Lee, Jet Li,  Tony Jaa and a bunch of other seemingly little guys would like to have a word... right after they kick your ass:)

Seriously though, Cruise is believable as a fighter, he's in great shape and looks as tough as he's ever been.

Reacher is described as being 6 feet 5 inches (1.96 m) tall, weighing 210-250 pounds (95-113 kg) and having a 50-inch (130 cm) chest.

The original dialogue is written as if a wrestler is saying it, not a secret ninja.


I haven't read the books, but - at least in the first movie - that wouldn't have been believable.  A group of punks in a bar aren't going to walk up to a wish-fulfillment marty stu hulk and pick a fight, and even if they're drunk/stupid enough to do so, it's far less satisfying for the audience to see the resulting smackdown of said punks.

That sort of lead works in books because you can place yourself in the role of the character as you read.  A movie is different- much more removed.  You're watching someone else go on their adventure, not vicariously going on it yourself.  Cruise was a great fit for the character as expressed on-screen.
 
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