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(New York Daily News)   District sues middle schooler and his parents after he caused over $19,000 to a classroom. As it should be; take some damned responsibility, parents   ( nydailynews.com) divider line
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2017-10-05 02:23:10 AM  
Dangerous chemicals able to cause 19K in damages NOT locked!secured in a school classroom? Jesus.

That district is lucky the kids didn't get hurt because they'd probably be liable. In fact the school should have been cited if not.
 
2017-10-05 04:05:43 AM  

DO NOT WANT Poster Girl: Dangerous chemicals able to cause 19K in damages NOT locked!secured in a school classroom? Jesus.

That district is lucky the kids didn't get hurt because they'd probably be liable. In fact the school should have been cited if not.


Think of all the meth they could have made with that!
 
2017-10-05 05:58:58 AM  

DO NOT WANT Poster Girl: Dangerous chemicals able to cause 19K in damages NOT locked!secured in a school classroom? Jesus.

That district is lucky the kids didn't get hurt because they'd probably be liable. In fact the school should have been cited if not.


Agreed. The kid is likely a monster spawned by monster parents. But that is some serious failure of that school. I'd pull my child from any school that allowed a child to destroy a classroom--negligent teacher, administrator, someone was not doing their job.
 
2017-10-05 06:08:31 AM  

August11: DO NOT WANT Poster Girl: Dangerous chemicals able to cause 19K in damages NOT locked!secured in a school classroom? Jesus.

That district is lucky the kids didn't get hurt because they'd probably be liable. In fact the school should have been cited if not.

Agreed. The kid is likely a monster spawned by monster parents. But that is some serious failure of that school. I'd pull my child from any school that allowed a child to destroy a classroom--negligent teacher, administrator, someone was not doing their job.


They should probably keep these middle schoolers attached to those group ropes when they're not in class to prevent this sort of stuff.  You probably also need more like four teachers per class instead of one just like the kinder gardeners in order to keep these 12 year olds in line.  Probably end up costing a whole lot more in taxes but you have to think of your children here.
 
2017-10-05 06:25:34 AM  

BumpInTheNight: August11: DO NOT WANT Poster Girl: Dangerous chemicals able to cause 19K in damages NOT locked!secured in a school classroom? Jesus.

That district is lucky the kids didn't get hurt because they'd probably be liable. In fact the school should have been cited if not.

Agreed. The kid is likely a monster spawned by monster parents. But that is some serious failure of that school. I'd pull my child from any school that allowed a child to destroy a classroom--negligent teacher, administrator, someone was not doing their job.

They should probably keep these middle schoolers attached to those group ropes when they're not in class to prevent this sort of stuff.  You probably also need more like four teachers per class instead of one just like the kinder gardeners in order to keep these 12 year olds in line.  Probably end up costing a whole lot more in taxes but you have to think of your children here.


You ticked my sarcasm meter just a bit. So...not sure if serious.

But if a teacher needs three colleagues to keep a class in line, that teacher needs to find a new career.
 
2017-10-05 06:32:01 AM  
The article read as a combination of "insurance isn't paying for damages because the classroom was unlocked" and the kid being a repeat offender who's finally found that last straw.
 
2017-10-05 06:43:51 AM  

Ambivalence: The article read as a combination of "insurance isn't paying for damages because the classroom was unlocked" and the kid being a repeat offender who's finally found that last straw.


Pretty much. It did say the incident occurred during a volleyball tournament, which means after normal school hours. The school would be negligent in not providing security for the area away from the gym (assuming locking the doors would be a fire code violation).

If that had happened where I live, the kid would be in Juvie for felony damage to property and likely expelled.
 
2017-10-05 06:46:44 AM  
If you are not going to be responsible, wear condoms.
 
2017-10-05 06:52:41 AM  
We all went to school with a kid or two like this.
20 years later, they're all in prison.
 
2017-10-05 06:52:52 AM  
If you blame the school and not the kid, it is quite possible that you are a lousy parent.
 
2017-10-05 06:54:52 AM  

August11: But if a teacher needs three colleagues to keep a class in line, that teacher needs to find a new career.

A lot of them are.  I don't think it matters if there's one teacher or four, if they're all powerless.
 
2017-10-05 06:55:34 AM  

Catlenfell: We all went to school with a kid or two like this. 20 years later, they're all in prison.

You sure about that?
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2017-10-05 06:57:32 AM  

Ambivalence: The article read as a combination of "insurance isn't paying for damages because the classroom was unlocked" and the kid being a repeat offender who's finally found that last straw.


The challenge then is that the parents will use the same excuse to block the school; "YOU neglected the classroom AND the children!"

/means some obnoxious kid will get off without any kind of punishment
 
2017-10-05 06:59:33 AM  
Kid sounds like a menace, and the parents should pay up for being lousy parents.

That being said, whoever left that classroom unlocked shares some responsibility. If i read it correctly it was after-hours, so everything should be locked up anyway.
 
2017-10-05 06:59:35 AM  

BumpInTheNight: You probably also need more like four teachers per class instead of one just like the kinder gardeners in order to keep these 12 year olds in line.


I currently have a 12 year old and a former 12-year-old, so I am really getting a kick...

You need the four extra teachers, plus the 82nd Airborne, Patton's Third Army, the Swiss Guards, the Mossad, a decent-sized company of Rohirrim, the Magnificent Seven, and Fezzik.
 
2017-10-05 06:59:42 AM  
Kids that age know better, whether the door was locked or not.
 
2017-10-05 07:00:46 AM  

August11: BumpInTheNight: August11: DO NOT WANT Poster Girl: Dangerous chemicals able to cause 19K in damages NOT locked!secured in a school classroom? Jesus.

That district is lucky the kids didn't get hurt because they'd probably be liable. In fact the school should have been cited if not.

Agreed. The kid is likely a monster spawned by monster parents. But that is some serious failure of that school. I'd pull my child from any school that allowed a child to destroy a classroom--negligent teacher, administrator, someone was not doing their job.

They should probably keep these middle schoolers attached to those group ropes when they're not in class to prevent this sort of stuff.  You probably also need more like four teachers per class instead of one just like the kinder gardeners in order to keep these 12 year olds in line.  Probably end up costing a whole lot more in taxes but you have to think of your children here.

You ticked my sarcasm meter just a bit. So...not sure if serious.

But if a teacher needs three colleagues to keep a class in line, that teacher needs to find a new career.


... or new students....
 
2017-10-05 07:01:02 AM  

Catlenfell: We all went to school with a kid or two like this.
20 years later, they're all in prison.


I take the Fif.
 
2017-10-05 07:12:34 AM  
The current law limits the payment to $7,500 so they're suing for the difference?
Why is there a limit at all then?
 
2017-10-05 07:12:36 AM  
my kid goes to a new middle school and I can't imagine 19k in damage.  How much are those desks?  How much hydrochloric acid did they have? How did kid not melt his hands off as kids are notoriously careless at that age.
 
2017-10-05 07:13:40 AM  
My chemistry teacher set the suspended ceiling on fire nearly 50 years ago. The culprit was a reflux apparatus containing diethyl ether. Naturally, a bunsen burner, a condenser and a tube to the water jacket which somehow got trapped in his desk drawer was involved.

I can still picture his face - pure white from the dry powder fire extinguisher.
 
AOW
2017-10-05 07:14:23 AM  

vudukungfu: If you are not going to be responsible, wear condoms.


Wearing condoms requires the abovementioned responsibility does it not?
 
2017-10-05 07:18:38 AM  

catusr: If you blame the school and not the kid, it is quite possible that you are a lousy parent.


Except the school is at fault here.

1.  Classroom doors were unsecured.
2.  The areas of the school not directly involved in the game were accessible, when they should not be.  That is a security failure.
3.  Hazardous chemicals were able to be accessed.  Anyone that knows ANYTHING about chemicals knows that those are supposed to be kept in a locked and secured room located away from the science labs.  This is simple materials safety.

With the school having all three of those failures, the asshole kid got in and dicked shiat up.  Yeah, the kid is an asshole.  However, if school officials had done their job properly to begin withthe kid wouldn't have gotten anywhere near that classroom, or the chemicals in it.

That's why the insurance for the school isn't paying, probably.  They know that if they filed an insurance claim, the investigator would find this out, and refuse to pay citing negligence on the part of the school.

/teacher
 
2017-10-05 07:23:45 AM  

Gulper Eel: You need the four extra teachers, plus the 82nd Airborne, Patton's Third Army, the Swiss Guards, the Mossad, a decent-sized company of Rohirrim, the Magnificent Seven, and Fezzik.

Probably, she means no harm.

doomjesse: my kid goes to a new middle school and I can't imagine 19k in damage. How much are those desks?

$19k is probably not replacing a few desks but some deep cleaning or other labor-intensive repair mandated by building code or safety regs.  The thing about hydrochloric acid is that when you let it out of the jar, it wants to stop being hydrochloric acid and react with other things to become something else.  That's a painful problem if it's humping the molecules on your skin, but if it hits other kinds of molecules the results can be toxic, or at the very least an irritant.
 
2017-10-05 07:24:11 AM  

Menjo_Bleeko: catusr: If you blame the school and not the kid, it is quite possible that you are a lousy parent.

Except the school is at fault here.

1.  Classroom doors were unsecured.
2.  The areas of the school not directly involved in the game were accessible, when they should not be.  That is a security failure.
3.  Hazardous chemicals were able to be accessed.  Anyone that knows ANYTHING about chemicals knows that those are supposed to be kept in a locked and secured room located away from the science labs.  This is simple materials safety.

With the school having all three of those failures, the asshole kid got in and dicked shiat up.  Yeah, the kid is an asshole.  However, if school officials had done their job properly to begin withthe kid wouldn't have gotten anywhere near that classroom, or the chemicals in it.

That's why the insurance for the school isn't paying, probably.  They know that if they filed an insurance claim, the investigator would find this out, and refuse to pay citing negligence on the part of the school.

/teacher


Teacher here...

Why was a 12 who obviously needs supervision dropped off at a volleyball game?  When did it become the schools responsibility to babysit spectators at games?   We are having the same problems at our district and parents are angry that the school is putting their foot down and kicking their little darlings out.

/ looking for a new  job
 
2017-10-05 07:24:29 AM  
to those saying the chemicals where out in the open.  if it was anything like my old school days.  they where looked up in a glass case or just a standard closet or such with a crappy lock.  I remember a few of the teachers saying it wouldn't take much for a kid or 2 to break the locks/glass and get into the stuff.

as for keeping a eye on the rooms during a game.  well in school i worked for the ad setting up/taking down for different games.  trust me besides having 1 or 2 teachers and the normal cleaning staff just walking up and down the halls nothing else happens.  the class rooms have to be unlocked for fire reasons and most of the time if the staff didn't see anything just by a quick glance in the room form the hall they moved on.  Lost count of how many couples screwed in the classrooms at games.
 
2017-10-05 07:24:39 AM  
Well, good on the school for going after the parents, it's a start to bring accountability back.
 
2017-10-05 07:29:11 AM  
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2017-10-05 07:29:53 AM  

Catlenfell: We all went to school with a kid or two like this.
20 years later, they're all in prison.


or 55 years later, president of the united states.
 
2017-10-05 07:33:01 AM  
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2017-10-05 07:37:18 AM  

Gulper Eel: BumpInTheNight: You probably also need more like four teachers per class instead of one just like the kinder gardeners in order to keep these 12 year olds in line.

I currently have a 12 year old and a former 12-year-old, so I am really getting a kick...

You need the four extra teachers, plus the 82nd Airborne, Patton's Third Army, the Swiss Guards, the Mossad, a decent-sized company of Rohirrim, the Magnificent Seven, and Fezzik.


I've been a sub for that age group.  A Balrog and Samuel L Jackson added to that group still might not be enough.
 
2017-10-05 07:39:07 AM  
When I was a kid, we knew to break into the locked chemicals storage room by going *over* the door through the suspended ceiling.

What?
 
2017-10-05 07:41:53 AM  

dragonchild: Gulper Eel: You need the four extra teachers, plus the 82nd Airborne, Patton's Third Army, the Swiss Guards, the Mossad, a decent-sized company of Rohirrim, the Magnificent Seven, and Fezzik.
Probably, she means no harm.
doomjesse: my kid goes to a new middle school and I can't imagine 19k in damage. How much are those desks?
$19k is probably not replacing a few desks but some deep cleaning or other labor-intensive repair mandated by building code or safety regs.  The thing about hydrochloric acid is that when you let it out of the jar, it wants to stop being hydrochloric acid and react with other things to become something else.  That's a painful problem if it's humping the molecules on your skin, but if it hits other kinds of molecules the results can be toxic, or at the very least an irritant.


Years ago a school in DC was closed for a long time when some kids spilled mercury. They had a special cleaning crew come in, clean, inspect and then if they detected any trace they had to do it all over again. IIRC the school was closed over a year.
 
2017-10-05 07:43:57 AM  

dragonchild: Gulper Eel: You need the four extra teachers, plus the 82nd Airborne, Patton's Third Army, the Swiss Guards, the Mossad, a decent-sized company of Rohirrim, the Magnificent Seven, and Fezzik.
Probably, she means no harm.
doomjesse: my kid goes to a new middle school and I can't imagine 19k in damage. How much are those desks?
$19k is probably not replacing a few desks but some deep cleaning or other labor-intensive repair mandated by building code or safety regs.  The thing about hydrochloric acid is that when you let it out of the jar, it wants to stop being hydrochloric acid and react with other things to become something else.  That's a painful problem if it's humping the molecules on your skin, but if it hits other kinds of molecules the results can be toxic, or at the very least an irritant.


We replaced the 1/3 mol HCl in an experiment with the undiluted 14 mol stuff.  Produced a *lot* of hydrogen and when we stuck a burning splint up in the buret it exploded.

Good times.
 
2017-10-05 07:46:13 AM  

DO NOT WANT Poster Girl: Dangerous chemicals able to cause 19K in damages NOT locked!secured in a school classroom? Jesus.

That district is lucky the kids didn't get hurt because they'd probably be liable. In fact the school should have been cited if not.


Way to blame the victim
 
2017-10-05 07:54:41 AM  

fusillade762: DO NOT WANT Poster Girl: Dangerous chemicals able to cause 19K in damages NOT locked!secured in a school classroom? Jesus.

That district is lucky the kids didn't get hurt because they'd probably be liable. In fact the school should have been cited if not.

Think of all the meth they could have made with that!


I think they are too stupid to even know how to do it themselves
 
2017-10-05 07:54:55 AM  
Blame is not a a zero sum game. The school was negligent, the kid needs a heap of fixing.
 
2017-10-05 07:58:58 AM  

fusillade762: DO NOT WANT Poster Girl: Dangerous chemicals able to cause 19K in damages NOT locked!secured in a school classroom? Jesus.

That district is lucky the kids didn't get hurt because they'd probably be liable. In fact the school should have been cited if not.

Think of all the meth they could have made with that!


They made a big meth with it.  That's why they're suing the family in the first place.
 
2017-10-05 07:59:59 AM  
In addition to the repeatedly mentioned security fail, the article say that he did not act alone and yet the school was only suing one family.
 
2017-10-05 08:02:32 AM  

Fano: DO NOT WANT Poster Girl: Dangerous chemicals able to cause 19K in damages NOT locked!secured in a school classroom? Jesus.

That district is lucky the kids didn't get hurt because they'd probably be liable. In fact the school should have been cited if not.

Way to blame the victim


Separate infraction. The kid is solely to blame for what he did, and should pay for it accordingly. But failing to properly secure those chemicals is an issue in its own right, which the school should pay for in its own right. Preferably in some way that can't just be passed on to the kid; he's got his own shiat to pay for.
 
2017-10-05 08:07:35 AM  
Growing up as a military brat, if you're a rambunctious enough child you eventually learn that the things you do can directly effect your parents pay-grade... for years. For most this is a sobering realization, but some people just want to watch the world burn.
 
2017-10-05 08:07:46 AM  
Doing a search on that school district and it sounds like they aren't the most upstanding schools either.

and what are the parents supposed to do to this kid?  You can barely raise your voice nowadays and not have the cops called on you.
 
2017-10-05 08:12:41 AM  

Krieghund: fusillade762: DO NOT WANT Poster Girl: Dangerous chemicals able to cause 19K in damages NOT locked!secured in a school classroom? Jesus.

That district is lucky the kids didn't get hurt because they'd probably be liable. In fact the school should have been cited if not.

Think of all the meth they could have made with that!

They made a big meth with it.  That's why they're suing the family in the first place.


FTFY:

They made a big meth with it.  That'th why they're thuing the family in the firtht place.
 
2017-10-05 08:13:45 AM  

groppet: dragonchild: Gulper Eel: You need the four extra teachers, plus the 82nd Airborne, Patton's Third Army, the Swiss Guards, the Mossad, a decent-sized company of Rohirrim, the Magnificent Seven, and Fezzik.
Probably, she means no harm.
doomjesse: my kid goes to a new middle school and I can't imagine 19k in damage. How much are those desks?
$19k is probably not replacing a few desks but some deep cleaning or other labor-intensive repair mandated by building code or safety regs.  The thing about hydrochloric acid is that when you let it out of the jar, it wants to stop being hydrochloric acid and react with other things to become something else.  That's a painful problem if it's humping the molecules on your skin, but if it hits other kinds of molecules the results can be toxic, or at the very least an irritant.

Years ago a school in DC was closed for a long time when some kids spilled mercury. They had a special cleaning crew come in, clean, inspect and then if they detected any trace they had to do it all over again. IIRC the school was closed over a year.


About 15 years ago I worked in the biology department of a university and a Chinese grad chemistry student whose visa was expiring tried to kill himself by drinking liquid mercury.

It spilled everywhere, and the lab was directly above our offices. They didn't evacuate us or even notify anyone until after the fact. The university was more worried about PR than safety of the employees.

Incidentally I and two of my co-workers were all in the early stages of pregnancy at the time and we all had kids with vascular/genetic issues. I wonder if it's too late to file a suit.

Yes, the MS should have locked up those chemicals but those kids and parents should pay. I have teen boys and if they did this I would, and take their first three years of paychecks & never do another chore myself.
 
2017-10-05 08:21:39 AM  
I started to type a bunch about 504 evaluations given the kids previous disciplinary problems, but this is Fark, so

Would the district dismiss in favor of a proper ass-whuppin'?
 
2017-10-05 08:24:32 AM  
Maybe if he learned to bake or something useful to society instead of being given violent video games to shut them up in their rooms by those farking stupid asshole parents, then maybe we'd have a better world instead of 13 year olds wearing black and torturing animals and then posting it up to IG.

/but they're my special snowflake! I'm triggered now!
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2017-10-05 08:28:11 AM  

jayfurr: When I was a kid, we knew to break into the locked chemicals storage room by going *over* the door through the suspended ceiling.

Sounds like you knew how to make a proper ruckus..

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2017-10-05 08:37:46 AM  

jumac: to those saying the chemicals where out in the open.  if it was anything like my old school days.  they where looked up in a glass case or just a standard closet or such with a crappy lock.  I remember a few of the teachers saying it wouldn't take much for a kid or 2 to break the locks/glass and get into the stuff.

as for keeping a eye on the rooms during a game.  well in school i worked for the ad setting up/taking down for different games.  trust me besides having 1 or 2 teachers and the normal cleaning staff just walking up and down the halls nothing else happens.  the class rooms have to be unlocked for fire reasons and most of the time if the staff didn't see anything just by a quick glance in the room form the hall they moved on.  Lost count of how many couples screwed in the classrooms at games.


Look how many posters in this thread that are products of a prison school system that blame the school for not having everything locked down. If the kid had thrown rocks through all the windows presumably they'd be asking why the school didn't clear all stones within a thousand meter radius of the school property.
 
2017-10-05 08:41:02 AM  

Fano: jumac: to those saying the chemicals where out in the open.  if it was anything like my old school days.  they where looked up in a glass case or just a standard closet or such with a crappy lock.  I remember a few of the teachers saying it wouldn't take much for a kid or 2 to break the locks/glass and get into the stuff.

as for keeping a eye on the rooms during a game.  well in school i worked for the ad setting up/taking down for different games.  trust me besides having 1 or 2 teachers and the normal cleaning staff just walking up and down the halls nothing else happens.  the class rooms have to be unlocked for fire reasons and most of the time if the staff didn't see anything just by a quick glance in the room form the hall they moved on.  Lost count of how many couples screwed in the classrooms at games.

Look how many posters in this thread that are products of a prison school system that blame the school for not having everything locked down. If the kid had thrown rocks through all the windows presumably they'd be asking why the school didn't clear all stones within a thousand meter radius of the school property.


Yep, did the police go to the parents house and make sure it was child proofed?  All the chemicals mommy and daddy use, the guns, the steak knifes, the golf clubs, were their gluten free snacks?
 
2017-10-05 08:45:44 AM  

Fano: jumac: to those saying the chemicals where out in the open.  if it was anything like my old school days.  they where looked up in a glass case or just a standard closet or such with a crappy lock.  I remember a few of the teachers saying it wouldn't take much for a kid or 2 to break the locks/glass and get into the stuff.

as for keeping a eye on the rooms during a game.  well in school i worked for the ad setting up/taking down for different games.  trust me besides having 1 or 2 teachers and the normal cleaning staff just walking up and down the halls nothing else happens.  the class rooms have to be unlocked for fire reasons and most of the time if the staff didn't see anything just by a quick glance in the room form the hall they moved on.  Lost count of how many couples screwed in the classrooms at games.

Look how many posters in this thread that are products of a prison school system that blame the school for not having everything locked down. If the kid had thrown rocks through all the windows presumably they'd be asking why the school didn't clear all stones within a thousand meter radius of the school property.


If you don't think a room with hydrochloric acid should be locked down then you have rocks in your head!  Do your realize what those burns look like?  google it
 
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