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2017-10-04 07:39:59 PM  
If that's police brutality, we need a new definition.  That was the least violent take down I've ever seen. If a cop tells you to leave, just farkin' leave.
 
2017-10-04 09:08:42 PM  
It's okay, Officer. He was going to the back of the bus.
 
2017-10-04 10:49:10 PM  
Have mercy.
 
2017-10-05 12:10:56 AM  
Having viewed the video, I am afraid that I must go against Fark consensus and rule that the police officer was in the right here, as the teenager in question is quite clearly black.
 
2017-10-05 12:43:52 AM  

knbber2: If that's police brutality, we need a new definition.  That was the least violent take down I've ever seen. If a cop tells you to leave, just farkin' leave.


He was leaving... on the bus.
 
2017-10-05 02:41:18 AM  
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2017-10-05 04:22:17 AM  
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2017-10-05 04:28:30 AM  
Given the current cop culture I'm going to say this: Don't argue, don't do anything that can be construed as resisting, do what they tell you. It doesn't matter if you are wrong or right. Your first priority is to make sure you survive the encounter. Live through it. Everything else can be left to the lawyers afterwards.
 
2017-10-05 04:35:37 AM  
I haven't watched the video, but after reading the article.

Why was the officer clearing the building? And was he actually waiting for the bus (and was that the right place to be to wait)?

That seems more important to me than the incident. If he had a good reason to tell him to leave, and if the kid had a good reason to stay.
 
2017-10-05 04:57:45 AM  

knbber2: If that's police brutality, we need a new definition.  That was the least violent take down I've ever seen. If a cop tells you to leave, just farkin' leave.


I'm sorry, I thought this was the US, not some authoritarian hellhole. He was doing nothing wrong.
 
2017-10-05 05:08:25 AM  

knbber2: If that's police brutality, we need a new definition.  That was the least violent take down I've ever seen. If a cop tells you to leave, just farkin' leave.


If a cop tells you to sleep with him to avoid getting a ticket, just do it.
 
2017-10-05 05:10:06 AM  
Yeah who cares that he was a law abiding citizen in a public place waiting for public transit that he's probably already paid for. Who cares that the call was about individuals involved in a possible fight when he's just standing there with his back pack on. Who cares that the kid may have to walk an incredibly long distance if he misses the bus.

I mean for farks sake. The cops don't have unmitigated authority just because a crime may have happened nearby. They're not even asserting he matched a description or anything, the officer just showed up and told everybody to get the fark out and escalated straight to judo when the kid explains he's waiting on a bus
 
2017-10-05 05:16:43 AM  

knbber2: If that's police brutality, we need a new definition.  That was the least violent take down I've ever seen. If a cop tells you to leave, just farkin' leave.


https://www.michigandaily.com/section/crime/teen-arrested-blake-trans​i​t-center

This article has more background.  The 16-year old child was waiting at the bus stop to go home from school.  He was arrested for trespassing.  For waiting at his school bus stop to go home...

Let that sink in for a moment.  Read it.  Read the article.  Then come back and make another attempt at rational thought.
 
2017-10-05 05:19:35 AM  
Your president, your guns, your healthcare, your police, your foreign policy, your religion, now this...

From a distance, I think that the problem is that you have a nationwide inability to stop for 5 seconds and think, hang on, does what I'm about to do actually make any sense?
 
2017-10-05 05:29:22 AM  

knbber2: If that's police brutality, we need a new definition.  That was the least violent take down I've ever seen. If a cop tells you to leave, just farkin' leave.


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2017-10-05 05:34:53 AM  
Why is it every cop's first action is to bully and arrest everyone within their eyesight?

No attempt to understand a situation, just jump directly to conflict escalation and physical violence.
 
2017-10-05 05:44:35 AM  

FuManchu7: Why is it every cop's first action is to bully and arrest everyone within their eyesight?


Because the NRA has persuaded a sizeable number of Americans that they need to be prepared at all times to shoot cops. That reduces the opportunity for nuanced debate.
 
2017-10-05 05:44:57 AM  

dyhchong: Why was the officer clearing the building? And was he actually waiting for the bus (and was that the right place to be to wait)?
That seems more important to me than the incident. If he had a good reason to tell him to leave, and if the kid had a good reason to stay.


If an officer asked me to leave an area I had a reason to be in, and there was no apparent emergency going on, I would be inclined to ask why.

I'm going to speculate that the kid thought the officer was asking him to leave because the cop thought he was homeless. That city has a homeless population and police often ask them to leave places. The lobby is small (maybe 2000 sq. ft) and if you're not checking routes or using the restroom or buying tickets, the main reason to be inside is to get out of the rain or cold, which both passengers and homeless might want to do. The kid responding "I'm waiting for the bus" would be an answer to that, ie, 'I'm here to use the service, not sleep in the lobby". That would also make some sense of the trespassing citation, something given to homeless people when they don't move after a business asks them to.

This likely could have been handled without force if the officer explained why he was clearing the building.
 
2017-10-05 05:48:34 AM  

Dave2042: Your president, your guns, your healthcare, your police, your foreign policy, your religion, now this...

From a distance, I think that the problem is that you have a nationwide inability to stop for 5 seconds and think, hang on, does what I'm about to do actually make any sense?


You'd be wrong. You assume that with just a bit more contemplation time, people would reach a different conclusion. If the people doing this crap did stop for 5 seconds to wonder if their actions made sense, they'd still arrive at the same conclusion that 'yep, we're in the right here' and proceed with the same actions. The problem we have is not people acting without giving time to consider the rights and wrongs of their chosen course, it's a much more fundamental disagreement within society about what the definitions of 'right' and 'wrong' actually are.
 
2017-10-05 05:51:01 AM  
I see no one actually reads the articles anymore.

"Ann Arbor police were called to the Transit Center Tuesday afternoon on reports of a fight. An officer who was trying to clear the building came into contact with Ciaeem Slanton, and ordered him to leave...Slanton told the officer he was waiting for his bus and allegedly refused to leave the bus stop."

This wasn't some random encounter.  The police were responding to a call and doing what they were supposed to be doing.  It's called not complying with a lawful order.

The police do a lot of disgusting shiat, but this ain't it.
 
2017-10-05 05:59:23 AM  
If a cop wants all your money, just give it to him/her.
 
2017-10-05 06:09:12 AM  

Deep Contact: If a cop wants all your money, just give it to him/her.


If a cop wants to search your car or house without a warrant then just let them.
 
2017-10-05 06:17:13 AM  
Cop needs retraining. Doing his job but didn't explain the situation, most likely getting shot from every person before getting to the kind and lost his temper in frustration. Instead of explaining the situation, he just wanted to be obeyed, not wanting to go eight rounds.

/ the officer is in the wrong but shouldn't be fired
 
2017-10-05 06:20:43 AM  
If a cops want to stick a plunger up your butt, just let them.
 
2017-10-05 06:32:29 AM  

orbister: FuManchu7: Why is it every cop's first action is to bully and arrest everyone within their eyesight?

Because the NRA has persuaded a sizeable number of Americans that they need to be prepared at all times to shoot cops. That reduces the opportunity for nuanced debate.

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I think there needs to be a special trophy for someone that invokes the NRA in a thread that has nothing to do with a gun or a shooter. Not even remotely.
 
2017-10-05 06:36:15 AM  

AngryDragon: I see no one actually reads the articles anymore.

"Ann Arbor police were called to the Transit Center Tuesday afternoon on reports of a fight. An officer who was trying to clear the building came into contact with Ciaeem Slanton, and ordered him to leave...Slanton told the officer he was waiting for his bus and allegedly refused to leave the bus stop."

This wasn't some random encounter.  The police were responding to a call and doing what they were supposed to be doing.  It's called not complying with a lawful order.

The police do a lot of disgusting shiat, but this ain't it.


I'm going to explain exactly why you're wrong.

Saturday, I took a friend of mine to a charity event that's held locally once a month. When we got there, the parking was full and they told us they didn't have any more space. It was not immediately obvious where we should turn around and just when I started to ask a police officer started yelling at me, "MOVE ALONG, YOU'RE HOLDING UP THE LINE!"

At this point, exactly one car had pulled up behind me. There are several ways the officer could have handled this. He could have given me directions on how to get out of the parking lot. He could have said, "Ma'am, turn around here and exit there." What he didn't have to do is add to my confusion by yelling. I lurched forward with the car, tires squealing, not out of frustration but sincere fear that this officer just might decide to attack a car with two women and three kids in it.

This kid may not have known where to go or what to do. Sixteen is relatively young and human beings are creatures of habit. If he doesn't catch the bus there, does he know where else to go? Is he supposed to leave for awhile? Can he come back once the building is clear? Should he move across the street and try to wave down the bus? What if he misses the bus, will he have to call someone? Will that someone be able to come? Does he have a parent at work?

There are a lot of variables at work here. But this is still essentially a child, a teenager, who simply wants the police officer to know that he is not a threat, that he has a valid reason for being there and implied is the question: If I am supposed to move, what do I do now?

He did what kids should do: Look to an adult authority figure for guidance.

Now we can make the argument that the cop was trying to "secure the area" yet and still he had enough time to detain and arrest the kid. Why is this kid singled out? Why are there several other people in the video? Was this kid involved in the incident that the officer was called there for? Does the policeman consider the fight over and area "secure" by arresting this one kid?

As for those of you who think this was a "gentle" take down showing police restraint - I can't help but think there's a certain level of either racist bullshiat thought that says anything less than dying is great for a black kid or just the idea that cops deserve our unmitigated compliance.

This is cop fail. Period. He needs to apologize. Only in a very white world is this cop's behavior acceptable.
 
2017-10-05 06:40:09 AM  
CSB:

Saw a vaguely similar thing happen here in London once. Fight in a bar, cops turn up and want to move everyone away, including a group stood at the bus stop outside. This group were kinda drunk and quite arsey and they refused to move. So one of the coppers goes a few hundred yards down the road and cones off a section of the street, comes back and tells the group that he's been on the radio and all bus drivers have been told to use that as a temporary stop because the one outside the pub is closed until further notice. At that point the belligerent 'we're waiting for the bus' group had to just slink off down the road to wait. Nobody was thrown to the ground, nobody was arrested for trespassing or disobeying the police, no news reports or newspaper articles about it and no follow-up protests. 

/CSB
 
2017-10-05 06:47:25 AM  
Non-compliance is a threat and will be dealt with overpowering force.
 
2017-10-05 06:56:08 AM  

AngryDragon: I see no one actually reads the articles anymore.

"Ann Arbor police were called to the Transit Center Tuesday afternoon on reports of a fight. An officer who was trying to clear the building came into contact with Ciaeem Slanton, and ordered him to leave...Slanton told the officer he was waiting for his bus and allegedly refused to leave the bus stop."

This wasn't some random encounter.  The police were responding to a call and doing what they were supposed to be doing.  It's called not complying with a lawful order.

The police do a lot of disgusting shiat, but this ain't it.


It wasn't alleged he was involved in the fight or even witnessed it. How the fark is "leave a public place when you've done nothing wrong and have a legitimate purpose being there" a lawful order?

Being in the vicinity of a fight isn't illegal, and CLEARLY nobody is fighting at the time of the video because this cop has plenty of time to focus on the kid.
 
2017-10-05 06:56:11 AM  

Hermione_Granger: AngryDragon: I see no one actually reads the articles anymore.

"Ann Arbor police were called to the Transit Center Tuesday afternoon on reports of a fight. An officer who was trying to clear the building came into contact with Ciaeem Slanton, and ordered him to leave...Slanton told the officer he was waiting for his bus and allegedly refused to leave the bus stop."

This wasn't some random encounter.  The police were responding to a call and doing what they were supposed to be doing.  It's called not complying with a lawful order.

The police do a lot of disgusting shiat, but this ain't it.

I'm going to explain exactly why you're wrong.

Saturday, I took a friend of mine to a charity event that's held locally once a month. When we got there, the parking was full and they told us they didn't have any more space. It was not immediately obvious where we should turn around and just when I started to ask a police officer started yelling at me, "MOVE ALONG, YOU'RE HOLDING UP THE LINE!"

At this point, exactly one car had pulled up behind me. There are several ways the officer could have handled this. He could have given me directions on how to get out of the parking lot. He could have said, "Ma'am, turn around here and exit there." What he didn't have to do is add to my confusion by yelling. I lurched forward with the car, tires squealing, not out of frustration but sincere fear that this officer just might decide to attack a car with two women and three kids in it.

This kid may not have known where to go or what to do. Sixteen is relatively young and human beings are creatures of habit. If he doesn't catch the bus there, does he know where else to go? Is he supposed to leave for awhile? Can he come back once the building is clear? Should he move across the street and try to wave down the bus? What if he misses the bus, will he have to call someone? Will that someone be able to come? Does he have a parent at work?

There are a lot of variables at work here. But this is ...


A full parking lot and an active police call for a fight are not the same thing.
 
2017-10-05 06:57:39 AM  

ReaverZ: Cop needs retraining. Doing his job but didn't explain the situation, most likely getting shot from every person before getting to the kind and lost his temper in frustration. Instead of explaining the situation, he just wanted to be obeyed, not wanting to go eight rounds.

/ the officer is in the wrong but shouldn't be fired


To be fair, most people would lose their temper after getting shot from just one or two people.
 
2017-10-05 06:59:34 AM  

AngryDragon: Hermione_Granger: AngryDragon: I see no one actually reads the articles anymore.

"Ann Arbor police were called to the Transit Center Tuesday afternoon on reports of a fight. An officer who was trying to clear the building came into contact with Ciaeem Slanton, and ordered him to leave...Slanton told the officer he was waiting for his bus and allegedly refused to leave the bus stop."

This wasn't some random encounter.  The police were responding to a call and doing what they were supposed to be doing.  It's called not complying with a lawful order.

The police do a lot of disgusting shiat, but this ain't it.

I'm going to explain exactly why you're wrong.

Saturday, I took a friend of mine to a charity event that's held locally once a month. When we got there, the parking was full and they told us they didn't have any more space. It was not immediately obvious where we should turn around and just when I started to ask a police officer started yelling at me, "MOVE ALONG, YOU'RE HOLDING UP THE LINE!"

At this point, exactly one car had pulled up behind me. There are several ways the officer could have handled this. He could have given me directions on how to get out of the parking lot. He could have said, "Ma'am, turn around here and exit there." What he didn't have to do is add to my confusion by yelling. I lurched forward with the car, tires squealing, not out of frustration but sincere fear that this officer just might decide to attack a car with two women and three kids in it.

This kid may not have known where to go or what to do. Sixteen is relatively young and human beings are creatures of habit. If he doesn't catch the bus there, does he know where else to go? Is he supposed to leave for awhile? Can he come back once the building is clear? Should he move across the street and try to wave down the bus? What if he misses the bus, will he have to call someone? Will that someone be able to come? Does he have a parent at work?

There are a lot of variables at work here. But this is ...

A full parking lot and an active police call for a fight are not the same thing.


Except clearly the fights over.
 
2017-10-05 07:13:56 AM  

kbronsito: knbber2: If that's police brutality, we need a new definition.  That was the least violent take down I've ever seen. If a cop tells you to leave, just farkin' leave.

He was leaving... on the bus.


It's nice that a large segment of the population thinks cops should be allowed to give random orders to civilians and attack them if they refuse...
 
2017-10-05 07:17:30 AM  

AngryDragon: I see no one actually reads the articles anymore.

"Ann Arbor police were called to the Transit Center Tuesday afternoon on reports of a fight. An officer who was trying to clear the building came into contact with Ciaeem Slanton, and ordered him to leave...Slanton told the officer he was waiting for his bus and allegedly refused to leave the bus stop."

This wasn't some random encounter.  The police were responding to a call and doing what they were supposed to be doing.  It's called not complying with a lawful order.

The police do a lot of disgusting shiat, but this ain't it.


Yeah I criticize cops a lot, but not going to get too wound up here.

Sucks to be you that a big fight causes the transit center to be closed down when you're trying to get home, but if they are clearing a crime scene you have to leave.  And the cop took the kid to the ground to effect arrest without excessive force.
 
2017-10-05 07:18:35 AM  

bigfatbuddhist: kbronsito: knbber2: If that's police brutality, we need a new definition.  That was the least violent take down I've ever seen. If a cop tells you to leave, just farkin' leave.

He was leaving... on the bus.

It's nice that a large segment of the population thinks cops should be allowed to give random orders to civilians and attack them if they refuse...


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2017-10-05 07:19:52 AM  
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2017-10-05 07:20:08 AM  

IndyJohn: but if they are clearing a crime scene you have to leave


Yes, that's what the cop was doing, clearing a crime scene.  They needed to gather up all that evidence, dust for prints, use the special flashlight to look for blood and semen, etc.
 
2017-10-05 07:22:03 AM  

IndyJohn: Yeah I criticize cops a lot, but not going to get too wound up here.

Sucks to be you that a big fight causes the transit center to be closed down when you're trying to get home, but if they are clearing a crime scene you have to leave.  And the cop took the kid to the ground to effect arrest without excessive force.


The cop is the one that brought the kid into the building, and there were lots of other people around.  This wasn't a murder scene.

https://www.facebook.com/collectiveagainstwhitesupremacy/videos/vb.32​7​787107621471/448231098910404/?type=2&theater

(Yeah, nice group name, but that's the link....)

The people biatching/protesting about excessive force are not helping.  Uneventful arrest with the kid's friends telling him to relax, which he did.

It's not about force, it's about a questionable arrest.
 
2017-10-05 07:41:56 AM  

Chakat: knbber2: If that's police brutality, we need a new definition.  That was the least violent take down I've ever seen. If a cop tells you to leave, just farkin' leave.

I'm sorry, I thought this was the US, not some authoritarian hellhole. He was doing nothing wrong.


I guess it depends on if the cop had a reason to clear the building. If he was just doing it to be an asshole, you have a point. If there was a reason, well that's kind of their job.

Of course the video starts rolling at the moment of the take down, so we don't way to know what happened before then. It was a pretty textbook take down (I have a GED in arrestin'). The cop didn't body slam anyone or throw unnecessary punches. I guess he could have tazered the kid.
 
2017-10-05 07:43:42 AM  

Fark It: IndyJohn: but if they are clearing a crime scene you have to leave

Yes, that's what the cop was doing, clearing a crime scene.  They needed to gather up all that evidence, dust for prints, use the special flashlight to look for blood and semen, etc.


Yeah that's the only reason to clear a crime scene.

I mean, a massive fight goes down.  It totally would not make sense to clear the place out to prevent resumption of hostilities.  I mean, that would just be stupid.
 
2017-10-05 07:45:12 AM  

X-Geek: ReaverZ: Cop needs retraining. Doing his job but didn't explain the situation, most likely getting shot from every person before getting to the kind and lost his temper in frustration. Instead of explaining the situation, he just wanted to be obeyed, not wanting to go eight rounds.

/ the officer is in the wrong but shouldn't be fired

To be fair, most people would lose their temper after getting shot from just one or two people.


that was suppose to shiat
 
2017-10-05 07:49:10 AM  

Invisible Pedestrian: IndyJohn: Yeah I criticize cops a lot, but not going to get too wound up here.

Sucks to be you that a big fight causes the transit center to be closed down when you're trying to get home, but if they are clearing a crime scene you have to leave.  And the cop took the kid to the ground to effect arrest without excessive force.

The cop is the one that brought the kid into the building, and there were lots of other people around.  This wasn't a murder scene.

https://www.facebook.com/collectiveagainstwhitesupremacy/videos/vb.327​787107621471/448231098910404/?type=2&theater

(Yeah, nice group name, but that's the link....)

The people biatching/protesting about excessive force are not helping.  Uneventful arrest with the kid's friends telling him to relax, which he did.

It's not about force, it's about a questionable arrest.


This video does not help much.  It makes it apparent that the kid was ALREADY  under arrest.  Why? Can't tell.  But the officer is trying to take him through a door, the kid resists going through the door, and the officer takes him down and cuffs him.

Where he was being taken and why the cop already had him in custody?  Would be interesting to know.
 
2017-10-05 08:27:14 AM  

Satanic_Hamster: knbber2: If that's police brutality, we need a new definition.  That was the least violent take down I've ever seen. If a cop tells you to leave, just farkin' leave.

If a cop tells you to sleep with him to avoid getting a ticket, just do it.


That is indeed a logical progression.
 
2017-10-05 08:31:59 AM  

Chakat: knbber2: If that's police brutality, we need a new definition.  That was the least violent take down I've ever seen. If a cop tells you to leave, just farkin' leave.

I'm sorry, I thought this was the US, not some authoritarian hellhole. He was doing nothing wrong.


"The officer helped him to stop.resisting."

Seriously, fark these thugs.
 
2017-10-05 08:32:50 AM  

Satanic_Hamster: knbber2: If that's police brutality, we need a new definition.  That was the least violent take down I've ever seen. If a cop tells you to leave, just farkin' leave.

If a cop tells you to sleep with him to avoid getting a ticket, just do it.


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2017-10-05 09:09:59 AM  
I never realized fark had so many sovereign citizens.
 
2017-10-05 09:12:18 AM  

orbister: FuManchu7: Why is it every cop's first action is to bully and arrest everyone within their eyesight?

Because the NRA has persuaded a sizeable number of Americans that they need to be prepared at all times to shoot cops. That reduces the opportunity for nuanced debate.


This is not Scotland comrade.
 
2017-10-05 09:19:56 AM  
Yes, definitely always do what the cop tells you.

Even if it means you miss your bus and get fired from your job because of it.

I don't know all the circumstances of course but it seems that we're all for doing what the cops say no matter what, despite anything else and that seems unhealthy.

/was once ordered back into my house by a cop
//after the guy on my lawn threatened to beat me up
///cops always looking for the easier solution despite right and wrong
 
2017-10-05 09:27:03 AM  

Hoblit: Yes, definitely always do what the cop tells you.

Even if it means you miss your bus and get fired from your job because of it.

I don't know all the circumstances of course but it seems that we're all for doing what the cops say no matter what, despite anything else and that seems unhealthy.

/was once ordered back into my house by a cop
//after the guy on my lawn threatened to beat me up
///cops always looking for the easier solution despite right and wrong


The cops ordered you back in your house to de-escalate the situation.  Yes, it was your lawn.  But your presence outside the home was going to make it harder for the cops to deal with the crazy dude on your lawn.  They weren't punishing you by sending you back in the house.  They were trying to get some order in a chaotic situation by reducing to number of people present.

Do you honestly not get that?
 
2017-10-05 09:35:06 AM  

FuManchu7: Why is it every cop's first action is to bully and arrest everyone within their eyesight?

No attempt to understand a situation, just jump directly to conflict escalation and physical violence.


Because Herr Drumpfuhrer is our president. He literally told cops to "rough them up" when arresting people.

Don't you feel so much safer now?
 
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