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(C|Net)   Google shows the same "courage" as Apple, removes the headphone jack from the Pixel 2 phone   ( cnet.com) divider line
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1010 clicks; posted to Geek » on 04 Oct 2017 at 4:29 PM (10 weeks ago)   |   Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»



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2017-10-04 01:56:31 PM  
21 votes:
Google: See, we can remove basic functionality from our hardware and then sell it back to the customer at a huge markup too!

Android users:  Yes.  And we can continue using Samsung phones too.
2017-10-04 04:40:56 PM  
8 votes:
I don't like it, but it doesn't bother me as much as having a non-removable battery.  Battery life degrades over time and I'm not the kind of person who buys a new phone every year or two.

I'm still using a Galaxy S5 - if I notice my battery isn't lasting as long as it used to, I can just pop on Amazon and spend $10 and it's like new again.  That's impossible with most of the newer phones.
2017-10-04 05:50:54 PM  
4 votes:
Check out our new feature of less basic stuff!!!

YES, TAKE MY MONEY!!!!
2017-10-04 04:54:13 PM  
4 votes:
I really like my Pixel XL.  Looks like it will be my last Google phone.
2017-10-04 04:33:43 PM  
4 votes:

rooftop235: Well Fark the pixel.
I use my headphone jack. Assholes.
And bring me back the got damned ir port!
I guess I'll not be giving up my HTC m9 for a long time.


I'll stick with my G3 -- headphone jack, micro sd, ir, and removable battery.  I won't buy a new phone if all y'all offer me is downgraded features with a slightly faster CPU and GPU.
2017-10-04 02:13:08 PM  
4 votes:
Well Fark the pixel.
I use my headphone jack. Assholes.
And bring me back the got damned ir port!
I guess I'll not be giving up my HTC m9 for a long time.
2017-10-05 07:53:21 PM  
2 votes:

Likwit: rooftop235: Likwit: hashtag.acronym: rooftop235: Well Fark the pixel.
I use my headphone jack. Assholes.
And bring me back the got damned ir port!
I guess I'll not be giving up my HTC m9 for a long time.

I'll stick with my G3 -- headphone jack, micro sd, ir, and removable battery.  I won't buy a new phone if all y'all offer me is downgraded features with a slightly faster CPU and GPU.

But really, who needs micro SD, IR, and removable battery? Those are all unnecessary (and in some cases undesirable) features for the average user. I have an iPhone 7+ and a MacBook Pro. When I go out for the day, I just throw them in a bag and go. There's not a single cable, charger, or memory card in my bag. People want simple, wireless stuff. I don't want to manage my memory, buy a micro SD card, carry extra stuff, and I sure as shiat don't want to charge and keep track of a second battery.

I for one welcome our new sealed-battery no-headphone-jack overlords.

I use my phone as a file server sometimes and the ir to control the video projectors or monitors of they didn't come in the cases. One time my ir port saved an entire convention exhibit for because client had 30 Blu-ray player and not one remote. I got all of them going using my s5. Been sticking with ir since.

"I need a removable battery, a micro SD slot, two SIM trays, an IR blaster, and a hook so I can keep my phone next to the onions on my belt."

Your niche use case shouldn't determine what features are implemented on a phone. I'm not accusing you of thinking that necessarily, but you hear a lot of Android guys say "give me an XYZ," when only a tiny minority of users will want it.


You sound like an iPhone user. That's fine.
I use my phone as a tool at work and I like my features, so that's why I'll not be buying a Pixel or other phone without the features I use. That's the end of it.
2017-10-05 12:35:47 PM  
2 votes:
Manufacturers of Android phones like this one do sh*t like this at their peril.
Unlike the hordes of iConsumers, people who buy and use Android devices will simply switch to another Android device. Google to Samsung to HuaWei to Asus to Motorola to OnePlus to HTC to whoever.
The Apple Acolytes are stuck with whatever Cupertino craps out if they insist on staying with the fruit.

Put it back, Google. You ain't Apple.
2017-10-05 12:23:25 AM  
2 votes:

USA Prime Credit Peggy: Pixel 2 comes with the USB-3.5 adapter, fyi.


no1curr
i don't want to use a farking adapter. i want to have my same good headphones work by just plugging them in without having to where i left some stupid dongle that replaces what never should have been taken away
2017-10-04 08:38:13 PM  
2 votes:
First.....Apple wasn't the first to release phones without a headphone jack.

Second.....you can still use a headphone jack / your old headphones with the purchase of a cheap adapter, that you'll need in the future anyway as everyone ditches the headphone jack.  You can even charge while you listen to audio.  When you're talking N hundreds of dollars for a phone that you can physically connect a wire to, $10-$20 for an additional piece of wire is hardly worth caring about.

Third....unlike when popular cellphones first started ditching the 3.5mm jack, bluetooth headphones are both drastically better in quality, and lower in price.  For $20 you can get really solid bluetooth headphones that will last ~7 hours per charge.  If you are the kind of person that needs to listen to more than seven hours of music in a day, for the low price of $40 dollars, you can get TWO SETS of bluetooth headphones.  Big deal.

There are a lot of reasons to buy (or not to buy) a cellphone.  But when you're talking about dropping $900$-1000 on a flagship phone, but you're ALSO REALLY ANGRY about either buying a $20 accessory so you can connect your existing fancy headphones to your phone, or $20 so you can have wireless headphones that work with your phone....you should probably relax more and care less about phones.

Personally, I'd care a lot more about the lack of external storage and the inability to remove the battery (particularly if you're familiar with how bad Google's Nexus 6P was).  But the headphone jack?  Meh.  Who cares....
2017-10-04 06:01:39 PM  
2 votes:

dirkfunk: but with Cyanogen gone


It's called LineageOS now. Same thing though.
2017-10-04 05:15:12 PM  
2 votes:

rzrwiresunrise: This seems a tad premature, unless they've invented wireless headphones with 15 hrs of play time per charge.


The Beats Solo 3 headphones do up to 40 hours on a charge.
2017-10-04 05:14:46 PM  
2 votes:

ebell: I don't like it, but it doesn't bother me as much as having a non-removable battery.  Battery life degrades over time and I'm not the kind of person who buys a new phone every year or two.

I'm still using a Galaxy S5 - if I notice my battery isn't lasting as long as it used to, I can just pop on Amazon and spend $10 and it's like new again.  That's impossible with most of the newer phones.


Always want removable batteries for that reason, but also because sometimes pulling the battery is the best way to get out of a locked up phone.

But found a new reason this week... The wife's phone is just not charging, you have to put the cables in just right, and lock the thing in a seismologically isolated room that nobody's allowed to enter, or the damn cable gets bumped. By simply opening the back and adding a card, I was able to make her phone capable of wireless charging. Without a removable battery, there would be no reason to remove the back, so I wouldn't have been able to do that. But by being able to buy all of that equipment after market, I saved a shiat ton of money, so it's better than paying for that capability up front.
2017-10-04 04:38:11 PM  
2 votes:

rzrwiresunrise: This seems a tad premature, unless they've invented wireless headphones with 15 hrs of play time per charge.


Mine are pretty good.

I just want BT that doesn't cut out when I put my device in my pocket or grab it the wrong way. Until then, I want the option of a headphone jack even though I currently use BT. I want a fallback until the current tech is reliable.
2017-10-04 04:36:03 PM  
2 votes:
So where is the farker that is going to post something about only needing a flip phone?
2017-10-04 02:28:30 PM  
2 votes:
Meh, if I can get a USB to 3.5mm adapter to work with it then I'm good.
2017-10-05 11:35:45 AM  
1 vote:

dirkfunk: Grand_Moff_Joseph: Google: See, we can remove basic functionality from our hardware and then sell it back to the customer at a huge markup too!

Android users:  Yes.  And we can continue using Samsung phones too.

Yeah... I had a Galaxy Nexus and have a Tab Pro. I would rather buy i-products than deal with Samsung's garbage batteries, and finicky hardware ever again. Plus it's been a while since I've had to mess with mods, but with Cyanogen gone I wouldn't even know where to start to replace Samsung's garbage UI with stock.

Sadly, my nexus 6 is now pushing 3 years old and while it's still running great, it is time for a replacement. I will be purchasing a pixel 2xl and will miss the headphone jack. Removing it a stupid decision.


I'm in the same boat.  I have grown to like my Nexus 6, but it seems as if it has been somewhat crippled by Google.  It now runs slow, typing on the  screen is painful due to the fact that the text is really laggy behind my typing, and no amount of cleaning up the junk files will make it quicker.  And it doesn't seem as if Google is interested in upgrading the OS to the latest Oreo incarnation for the phone, which to me is madness, since the phone is still technically a powerhouse and should handle it. I was in the thought of replacing it with a Pixel 2 but this lack of headphone jack is irritating to say the least.
2017-10-05 11:00:47 AM  
1 vote:

cards fan by association: rightClick: Check out our new feature of less basic stuff!!!

YES, TAKE MY MONEY!!!!

You may want to stand near your fainting couch for this: floppy disk drives, CD/DVD-ROM drives and parallel ATA I/O ports no longer come on most consumer electronic devices either.


Dvd drives and head phone jacks aren't really like the others you mentioned.  When the floppy went away, what percentage of users used a floppy on a daily basis?

Using a thumb drive vs a floppy has little downside.  The fact that dongle is included shows that it creates issues.
2017-10-04 11:48:54 PM  
1 vote:

Likwit: rooftop235: Likwit: hashtag.acronym: rooftop235: Well Fark the pixel.
I use my headphone jack. Assholes.
And bring me back the got damned ir port!
I guess I'll not be giving up my HTC m9 for a long time.

I'll stick with my G3 -- headphone jack, micro sd, ir, and removable battery.  I won't buy a new phone if all y'all offer me is downgraded features with a slightly faster CPU and GPU.

But really, who needs micro SD, IR, and removable battery? Those are all unnecessary (and in some cases undesirable) features for the average user. I have an iPhone 7+ and a MacBook Pro. When I go out for the day, I just throw them in a bag and go. There's not a single cable, charger, or memory card in my bag. People want simple, wireless stuff. I don't want to manage my memory, buy a micro SD card, carry extra stuff, and I sure as shiat don't want to charge and keep track of a second battery.

I for one welcome our new sealed-battery no-headphone-jack overlords.

I use my phone as a file server sometimes and the ir to control the video projectors or monitors of they didn't come in the cases. One time my ir port saved an entire convention exhibit for because client had 30 Blu-ray player and not one remote. I got all of them going using my s5. Been sticking with ir since.

"I need a removable battery, a micro SD slot, two SIM trays, an IR blaster, and a hook so I can keep my phone next to the onions on my belt."

Your niche use case shouldn't determine what features are implemented on a phone. I'm not accusing you of thinking that necessarily, but you hear a lot of Android guys say "give me an XYZ," when only a tiny minority of users will want it.


I don't think microsd users are a niche group.
2017-10-04 10:36:56 PM  
1 vote:

Likwit: hashtag.acronym: rooftop235: Well Fark the pixel.
I use my headphone jack. Assholes.
And bring me back the got damned ir port!
I guess I'll not be giving up my HTC m9 for a long time.

I'll stick with my G3 -- headphone jack, micro sd, ir, and removable battery.  I won't buy a new phone if all y'all offer me is downgraded features with a slightly faster CPU and GPU.

But really, who needs micro SD, IR, and removable battery? Those are all unnecessary (and in some cases undesirable) features for the average user. I have an iPhone 7+ and a MacBook Pro. When I go out for the day, I just throw them in a bag and go. There's not a single cable, charger, or memory card in my bag. People want simple, wireless stuff. I don't want to manage my memory, buy a micro SD card, carry extra stuff, and I sure as shiat don't want to charge and keep track of a second battery.

I for one welcome our new sealed-battery no-headphone-jack overlords.


I use my phone as a file server sometimes and the ir to control the video projectors or monitors of they didn't come in the cases. One time my ir port saved an entire convention exhibit for because client had 30 Blu-ray player and not one remote. I got all of them going using my s5. Been sticking with ir since.
2017-10-04 08:57:50 PM  
1 vote:

Fark_Guy_Rob: First.....Apple wasn't the first to release phones without a headphone jack.

Second.....you can still use a headphone jack / your old headphones with the purchase of a cheap adapter, that you'll need in the future anyway as everyone ditches the headphone jack.  You can even charge while you listen to audio.  When you're talking N hundreds of dollars for a phone that you can physically connect a wire to, $10-$20 for an additional piece of wire is hardly worth caring about.

Third....unlike when popular cellphones first started ditching the 3.5mm jack, bluetooth headphones are both drastically better in quality, and lower in price.  For $20 you can get really solid bluetooth headphones that will last ~7 hours per charge.  If you are the kind of person that needs to listen to more than seven hours of music in a day, for the low price of $40 dollars, you can get TWO SETS of bluetooth headphones.  Big deal.

There are a lot of reasons to buy (or not to buy) a cellphone.  But when you're talking about dropping $900$-1000 on a flagship phone, but you're ALSO REALLY ANGRY about either buying a $20 accessory so you can connect your existing fancy headphones to your phone, or $20 so you can have wireless headphones that work with your phone....you should probably relax more and care less about phones.

Personally, I'd care a lot more about the lack of external storage and the inability to remove the battery (particularly if you're familiar with how bad Google's Nexus 6P was).  But the headphone jack?  Meh.  Who cares....


1) Wireless headphones need to be charged. Which requires a space near an outlet to do so. Also, if you don't use them frequently, you need to plan ahead, as the battery will have self drained.
2) The USB-C port is always on the bottom of the phone, but the headphone jack was on the top, at least for the phones I had.
2017-10-04 07:18:20 PM  
1 vote:

netringer: Go to ifixit.com and learn how to replace the battery.
I'm on the original battery on my Nexus 6.


There's two problems here:

1) The Nexus 6p has a repairability rating of 2/10. It's a mess of glue.
2) Even if it was easy to fix, getting replacement batteries will be difficult. The manufacturer stops making them with the phone, so by the time the original battery dies, all you'll be able to find are sketchy third party ones. That's what happened with my Nexus 4 - sketchy third-party replacement battery was junk.
2017-10-04 07:17:32 PM  
1 vote:

scanman61: Russ1642: I have a Nexus 5x and would buy again from Google but this is a dealbreaker.

Same here....


Ditto. Looks like I'm going to be getting a OnePlus 5. Nothing revolutionary but a solid near vanilla Android phone at a price point closer to the original Nexus phones (at least the later generation Nexus phones).
2017-10-04 06:24:36 PM  
1 vote:

dirkfunk: Grand_Moff_Joseph: Google: See, we can remove basic functionality from our hardware and then sell it back to the customer at a huge markup too!

Android users:  Yes.  And we can continue using Samsung phones too.

Yeah... I had a Galaxy Nexus and have a Tab Pro. I would rather buy i-products than deal with Samsung's garbage batteries, and finicky hardware ever again. Plus it's been a while since I've had to mess with mods, but with Cyanogen gone I wouldn't even know where to start to replace Samsung's garbage UI with stock.

Sadly, my nexus 6 is now pushing 3 years old and while it's still running great, it is time for a replacement. I will be purchasing a pixel 2xl and will miss the headphone jack. Removing it a stupid decision.


I can't stand the Samsung weirdness so I went from my Samsung Galaxy Pro Tab 12.2 with a permanently dead battery - even after being replaced - to a couple of Google Nexus 9s.  At least one of those is hanging with bit rot.

I loved the pure Google experience on my Nexus 5 but had to replace it with a Nexus 6 after it went through the snowblower (! I think it could still work)

I ordered the Pixel 2XL128GB during the event and also will pass my Nexus 6 on. I'll mostly miss wireless charging.

I'm glad I get to try a Google Home Mini for "free" with the purchase.  If it's more open for tying into my home automation I may shed my Amazon Echo investment.
2017-10-04 06:01:08 PM  
1 vote:
About the third time my Bluetooth headphone battery died 15 minutes into my hour long workout, I swore Bluetooth off forever.  Thanks for making me trade no hassle whatsoever for minor hassle at best.
2017-10-04 05:46:07 PM  
1 vote:
I have a Nexus 5x and would buy again from Google but this is a dealbreaker.
2017-10-04 05:30:58 PM  
1 vote:
Courage....

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2017-10-04 04:50:47 PM  
1 vote:
You'll get over it.
2017-10-04 04:49:38 PM  
1 vote:

ebell: I don't like it, but it doesn't bother me as much as having a non-removable battery.  Battery life degrades over time and I'm not the kind of person who buys a new phone every year or two.

I'm still using a Galaxy S5 - if I notice my battery isn't lasting as long as it used to, I can just pop on Amazon and spend $10 and it's like new again.  That's impossible with most of the newer phones.


I like my S5.  I recently had it the wrong way in my pocket and leaned on a front wheel spindle and cracked the screen.  I went to look at new phones to see if it was worth getting a new one...nope.  Curved screens are total shiat since they leave big-handed rough people no place to grab the phone without accidentally touching the screen and doing crap they didn't want to do.  Anything of equal spec to an S5 costs more than a new screen.  My S5 battery life is still great.  Everything about the phone is perfectly good.  I'd rather pay $100 for a new screen than $240 for a comparable new phone.
2017-10-04 04:45:31 PM  
1 vote:
Meh.  Never use it, have USB c earbuds and they sound better anyways.
2017-10-04 04:34:45 PM  
1 vote:

foo monkey: Does what?


I reckon this could be a new Fark thing.
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2017-10-04 04:32:03 PM  
1 vote:

enry: enry: Boo_Guy: Meh, if I can get a USB to 3.5mm adapter to work with it then I'm good.

It comes with one.

/order already placed for the P2
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Ok, I got no idea what's going on here.  Only this desktop does this.
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Does what?
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2017-10-04 02:23:54 PM  
1 vote:
This seems a tad premature, unless they've invented wireless headphones with 15 hrs of play time per charge.
 
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